True of False: Carlos Gomez and Daric Barton
True or False:
Five years from now, Carlos Gomez will be a more valuable player than Daric Barton.
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FALSE!
Gomez busts out, and Daric Barton will be an above average/star firstbaseman
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by bobbymcnally on Mar 26, 2026 1:21 PM EDT 0 recs
I got to
go with Gomez here I'm not sold on Barton but i'm not sold on Gomez either. So can I choose tie?
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by FrozenTed9 on Mar 26, 2026 1:36 PM EDT 0 recs
true
Gomez will be bringing speed at the top of a lineup and defensive scarcity , and Barton settles into a nice little hitter, though not above-avg for his position.
5 years from now__ Gomez>Barton
by daveh33 on Mar 26, 2026 1:44 PM EDT 0 recs
I want to say true
But Gomez desperately needs a year in AAA to pull it all together. First the Mets and now the Twins have rushed him to the Show.
So... False. Rushing him through the minors ruins Gomez.
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by grover on Mar 26, 2026 2:06 PM EDT 0 recs
False
Gomez never becomes a dependable starter and will float like Alex Ochoa.
Barton becomes a solid, but unspectacular, starter for 10+ years
by ScottAZ on Mar 26, 2026 2:22 PM EDT 0 recs
Gomez = Bust
It's clear he's got talent, but nobody's left him at a level long enough to have real success. His tools got him to the big leagues far too quickly for them to turn into skills, and learning fundamentals in the Show is pretty darned difficult. My guess is that he steals lots of bases and struggles to post a .700+ OPS. He'll turn into a 4th outfielder/pinch runner, but not a solid regular.
If the Twins wise up and send him to AAA for awhile I'll change my prediction.
by ToddyBaseball on Mar 26, 2026 2:31 PM EDT 0 recs
False
I don't know if he'll be a "bust" per se, but I see him being Juan Pierre Jr., and no one wants that...
by gamers41 on Mar 26, 2026 2:39 PM EDT 0 recs
tremendously false
Gomez never does much of anything noteworthy, besides getting picked in roto leagues for his stolen bases. He holds down a starting job for 5 or 6 years, platoons for another 5, and hangs around as a 4th outfielder/pinch runner for the rest.
Barton becomes a low-level star. He makes 3 all-star teams, and consistently produces throughout his 16 year career. Though he becomes a DH by 29, his offense more than makes up for it. All in all, you're looking at perhaps John Kruk-esque production, with less cancer and bad baseball analysis. Who doesn't want that?
by bleedjaxblue on Mar 26, 2026 2:48 PM EDT 0 recs
Grace
I would say another comparison of Barton would be Mark Grace.
by gamers41 on
Mar 26, 2026 3:17 PM EDT
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Honestly...
I'm not sure if we can compare the two.
I do feel as if they will probably have similar performances relative to their positions and skill set.
by bbdbrandon on Mar 26, 2026 3:41 PM EDT 0 recs
False
Barton's bat will give him a job longer than Gomez's speed will give him one.
by vetsurg on Mar 26, 2026 3:46 PM EDT 0 recs
True
Barton turns into Kevin Youkilis + at the plate, but his shoddy glovework leaves him a DH. Meanwhile, Gomez develops into a GG-caliber CF who offers a very strong power/speed combo. The OPS favors Barton, but Gomez is a much rarer talent, which means he will be more valuable.
by GuyinNY on Mar 26, 2026 4:04 PM EDT 0 recs
Correction
That should read "Kevin Youkilis +" at the plate. Though, when added to his weak glove, perhaps a "clean" version of Jason Giambi's career could also work. Either or.
by GuyinNY on
Mar 26, 2026 4:07 PM EDT
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Barton's not exactly a butcher at first
And he hasn't been playing there very long. I don't see why he can't be adequate at a position where defense doesn't much matter.
I've already seen him make a few nice plays picking low throws out of the dirt and getting off the bag on high throws. He's definitely got the athletic ability to stick there.
http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/
by thejd44 on
Mar 27, 2026 1:42 AM EDT
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False
I see Barton as having a career arc similar to Mike Sweeney: injury-plagued but, when healthy, good power mixed in with a high OBP. And a sharp decline in his early 30s to match.
I don't see Gomez being a good enough hitter to become anything more than defense/speed guy.
by ThomasG on Mar 26, 2026 4:22 PM EDT 0 recs
Different Players
Think they both develop well, but quite differently. Depending on your measure of value (VORP, WS, gamer-ness), I think in 5 years you will be able to make a case for either one.
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by Yakker on Mar 26, 2026 4:25 PM EDT 0 recs
False
Barton's power will develop and I think that will be the difference in his added value.
by BigJ7489 on Mar 26, 2026 4:51 PM EDT 0 recs
False
Barton rides plate discipline to a good but not great career.
Gomez lasts a while as defender/supersub, but struggles to make it as a starter.
by marc w on Mar 26, 2026 5:43 PM EDT 0 recs
False
I think Gomez will never develop serious power and become a Roger Cedeno type who's career ends when his speed goes. This is probably a minority opinion but I just don't see a lot from Gomez that makes me think he'll outperform Barton.
by uwbadger on Mar 26, 2026 5:44 PM EDT 0 recs
True
But it will take 4-5 years for Gomez to put it all together.
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by maxisagod on Mar 26, 2026 6:00 PM EDT 0 recs
didn't we all say this about Hanley 2 years ago
Never say never though I do doubt Gomez about his bat.
by Bravesin07 on Mar 26, 2026 6:10 PM EDT 0 recs
Other than the fact
that in the minors Hanley had a better AVG, OBP, SLG, showed much better plate discipline, and played a much more important defensive position thats a good comparison. Oh wait nevermind.
by nyy601 on
Mar 26, 2026 7:47 PM EDT
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Look at Hanley's AA numbers the year before the trade at age 21
.271 .335 .385 isn't that good at all with 7 HR's. Remember Gomez hit .286 with a . 353 OBP in AAA at 21.
by Bravesin07 on
Mar 26, 2026 8:20 PM EDT
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140 ABs
is a tiny sample size. For every Hanley Ramirez you can compare Gomez to there are 10 guys like Julio Ramirez or Gookie Dawkins you can also compare him to.
by nyy601 on
Mar 26, 2026 8:46 PM EDT
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True
I think that Gomez's floor is a Gary Pettis type CF, a guy who doesn't do much damage with the bat but can steal some bases and play great defense. I think his ceiling is being a greater run producer while retaining great speed, a Carl Crawford or Johnny Damon type if you will
I think that Barton's floor is a pinch-hitter and platoon type, something like Hatteberg. His ceiling is MAYBE a John Olerud or Wally Joyner, with less power.
While I don't believe Gomez will ever develop even decent power, out of the two scenario's I think Gomez has far more potential to be a impact player due to the defensive premium he provides and the unique skill of possessing great speed.
by Sage Sam on Mar 26, 2026 7:28 PM EDT 0 recs
False
A knee or muscle injury or case of plantar fasciitis and Gomez's biggest talent is basically gone, yet another speedy, toolsy outfielder with bad luck.
Even with some bad breaks, Barton can still develop into a serviceable big-league first-baseman.
If you assume best-case for each player, then maybe Gomez passes Barton, but with typical career peaks-and-valleys, Barton's career, and thus value, will be much more consistent.
by dwintheiser on Mar 26, 2026 8:24 PM EDT 0 recs
False
No question in my mind that Gomez's ceiling is much higher than Barton's. But the combo of being overly rushed, playing on turf, and working with a staff that emphasizes contact and not patience (at least historically), I suspect that Gomez may be a shooting star at best. In 5 years? I'll take Barton most times, unless I have a personal/intangibles reason not to. And I personally don't know of one standout intangible to move Gomez ahead of Barton, even allowing for defensive position.
Just my thoughts...
by jjf3 on Mar 26, 2026 9:01 PM EDT 0 recs
hard call
i'll take false though. there's a pretty significantly chance that Gomez either completely bombs or pans into a Juan Encarnacion type of guy (servicable player that still flash the crazy tools but never getting it done consistently)
by RollingWave on Mar 26, 2026 9:19 PM EDT 0 recs
True
Gomez has awesome speed (compared to Jose Reyes), a great glove and great arm. Him speed will help him get on base, and when he become more patient at the plate, he'll hit for a good average as well...
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by Twins Territory on Mar 26, 2026 9:58 PM EDT 0 recs
Hmm
So how exactly is Gomez's speed gonna help him get on base? I've always thought that a good eye and good plate discipline is what leads to a good ability to get on base. But that's just me...
Unless you're talking about Gomez getting a plethora of infield hits. In which case, I'd rather take Barton's extra bases power anyways.
"We were s--, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on
Mar 27, 2026 2:29 PM EDT
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Metrodome
Well, I think the Dome will help him a lot. Look at Luis Castillo for example. He hit way better in the Dome because he could just pound the ball into the dirt and run it out. Gomez, being one of the faster guys in the league, should be able to do more than Castillo did.
Also, he is a pretty good bunter and he does have a nice bat, its just a matter of him becoming more consistent.
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by Twins Territory on
Mar 29, 2026 10:45 AM EDT
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False
People just aren't paying enough attention to what Barton does well and are focusing too hard on what he seemingly does not do well.
Barton is going to put up a .400+ OBP in the majors as a 22 year old. For those who like average: there's no reason why he won't hit at least .285ish this year, and that should only improve to where he's a solid .300 hitter for most of his career. Even if he does play first base, his ability to get on base is going to be in the top 5-10% in baseball if he stays healthy.
People question Barton's power. These people either A) aren't looking at the numbers or B) don't really understand power. As ab 18 year old catcher in A ball with St. Louis, he put up 13 HR in 313 ABs. The next year with Oakland (time split between A+ and AA) he combined for 13 homers in more at bats, but he also hit 36 doubles. While he may not have shown a massive boost in power, he maintained his numbers while being young for his league.
2006 was pretty much a wash because of injuries. Plus he was 20 years old in AAA.
He more than made up for it last year. As a 21 year old he had 65 XBH between AAA and the majors. On what planet is 65 XBH a lack of power?
All Barton has done in his pro career is speed through the minors while slowly improving his power numbers, yet people say he has none. It doesn't make any sense. To call him Scott Hatteberg is a joke. To say his upside is a less powerful John Olerud is absurd.
Of course, Gomez could end up being better. I'm saying false because I think Barton is going to be a star for a very long time.
http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/
by thejd44 on Mar 27, 2026 1:54 AM EDT 0 recs
True, barely
My SWAG, Barton is a consistent .300 .400 .420 hitter and Gomez is a .290 .330 .440 hitter. Gomez steals 40 bases at a 80 percent plus clip and is a top 5 defensive CF, Barton is a full time DH. Steals and defensive value make Gomez slightly more valuable, despite the high number of outs he makes.
My concern with Barton is if he doesn't have a high average or hit for enough power, he will have trouble maintaining a .400 plus OBP. It is hard to slug less than .450 and have a consistently high OBP, unless you are a unique player, like Boggs. This could lead to Barton having lines like .290 .370 .410, which is great for a middle infielder, but not for a DH/1B.
by meatdox on Mar 27, 2026 1:38 PM EDT 0 recs
That's a pretty unfair hypothetical.
Basically you're assuming everything goes wrong for Barton and everything goes right for Gomez. Based on what though?
If you question whether Barton or not can maintain a high average or hit for enough power, then I'll question Gomez's ability to ever be able to hit for a high average, get on base, develop power, steal bases at a consistent 80% clip etc etc. The difference? Barton has already shown he can maintain a high average and hit for power, at least in the minors. Gomez hasn't shown anything.
"We were s--, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on
Mar 27, 2026 2:49 PM EDT
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I disagree
My projection is Barton is a 820 or so OPS Guy, he could touch 900, but from his minor league record, that about what should be expected. BP's PECOTA forecast puts Barton at an 820 OPS for the next five years, heavy on the OBP. The guy slugged .440 at triple A last year in 600 AB's, I'm not sure that is hitting for power, it ain't bad, but it doesn't project a power hitter. The sample at the majors is too small for me. Also, Barton has the dreaded "old player skills" and from scouting reports isn't especially athletic. A 21 yr old guy that is slated for DH/1B duty is very worrisome.
by meatdox on
Mar 27, 2026 6:00 PM EDT
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Addendum
Since I used PECOTA projections for Barton...Gomez is projected as a .700-.720 OPS player, so I've predicted he will exceed his projections and Barton will meet his. I'll give myself about a 60% chance of being right.
by meatdox on
Mar 27, 2026 6:14 PM EDT
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So you think Gomez will exceed expectations but Barton will only meet his?
Again, based on what? Because Barton has "old player skills" like getting on base and great doubles power? If that's considered "old player skills", I'll take it. And where are you getting the 60%?
*BP's PECOTA forecast puts Barton at an 820 OPS for the next five years, heavy on the OBP.*
You say that like it's a bad thing. Don't underrate plate discipline and OBP.
Gomez definitely trumps Barton when it comes to defensive value though, I'll give you that. But it's also unfair to compare a centerfielder to a first baseman. Plus, I'm willing to bet that Barton's offensive value far surpasses what Gomez adds defensively.
Even if Barton becomes a .820 OPS player, that's still pretty damn good, and it's still much higher than Gomez's projection. And as Barton has shown he can do that in AAA at the age of 21, it's probably more than a safe bet to assume he'll translate some of that doubles power into home run power as he matures.
"We were s--, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on
Mar 27, 2026 8:31 PM EDT
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Yes!
That's what I said. I don't have any empirical evidence to support my contention.
An .820 OPS for a DH is above "average" but below the elite (Ortiz, Thome, Hafner, Thomas, etc..) which is exactly what I think about Barton. I don't see any 950-1000 OPS seasons from this guy.
I'm thinking Gomez looks like Coco Crisp, a couple of .800 OPS seasons, but generally in the .750 range with elite-level defense. (A much larger version, but similar numbers.)
So in my opinion, all things considered they will have nearly identical values offense and defense combined, so give me the CF.
by meatdox on
Mar 27, 2026 10:14 PM EDT
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He's not a DH
And there's nothing that has actually happened in real life to suggest he will be anytime within the next, oh, 10 years. At least.
Barton is just fine at first.
http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/
by thejd44 on
Mar 28, 2026 3:46 AM EDT
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False!!!
And since when is Barton a DH? Oakland has plenty of DH's and Barton is not one.
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by Charlie Brown on Mar 28, 2026 1:13 AM EDT 0 recs
+1
it's not like Barton is the Manny Ramirez of 1B. So far in 20 MLB games he has yet to make an error. His range factor is bad, but it is better than a couple guys. His zone rating is actually better than any other 1B. I know it is a small sample size, but he will stick at 1B.
by nyy601 on
Mar 28, 2026 2:49 AM EDT
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Looking into it more
I was interested to find out how many throwing errors the Oakland infield had while Barton was at 1B. A guy like Mientkiewicz is very valuable at 1B because of the errors he saves on balls thrown in the dirt. So far, in the 20 games Barton has played 1B, the Oakland infield has only 2 throwing errors (both by Hannahan). Not sure how bad the throws were or if Barton could have saved them, but only 2 in 20 games is pretty good.
So to sum it up he has not made an error yet, barely misses a ball thrown to him, and has a great zone rating. His range is the only thing he needs to work on, but should get better because he is still learning the position. I see no reason to think he will be a DH.
by nyy601 on
Mar 28, 2026 3:09 AM EDT
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To be fair all around
Mark Ellis is the best defensive 2B in the game, so he's making life easier on any firstbaseman. Crosby is alright over there, too. Neither guy is going to make a 1B's life miserable.
I don't remember the plays from last year, but Jack Hannahan isn't a very good defensive 3B. He doesn't appear to have the arm to play third in the majors, so maybe it's not fair (or smart to do), but my assumption would be most of the blame goes to him just because I've seen a number of shoddy throws from him.
I believe that a 1B's most important defensive skills are saving errors on throws/making tough picks on balls in the dirt on tough plays that would otherwise be scored a hit. Range isn't that important. Arm isn't that important. Catch what's hit to you and help the other infielders. He seems to be capable of doing both of those. He's athletic enough to improve once he becomes more familiar with the position.
http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/
by thejd44 on
Mar 28, 2026 3:51 AM EDT
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he definitely
He made multiple "throw-saving" picks from "Hanrahan"/others in the 2 game series in Tokyo, for what it's worth.
He's capable, young, fairly new at the position. That gives him plenty of time to hone some skills defensively/offensively. The whole DH thing is without merit IMO, at least for like some of you said, up to 10 years.
His plate discipline fits in perfect in Oakland, so I see no reason why they would want to replace him with another 1B except in case of injury. And that will translate to getting on-base at an above average rate.
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by dtownmbrown on
Mar 28, 2026 8:45 PM EDT
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but
I don't claim to know enough about Gomez to accurately guess true/false.
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by dtownmbrown on
Mar 28, 2026 8:46 PM EDT
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Barton...
I grew up in the Bay Area and seem to remember a particular 1B in SF who "wasn't athletic", "didn't have a lot of power" and was only an "average fielder". But, Will Clark turned out to be a pretty good ballplayer, and would have been even better if not for some nagging injuries. In fact, Clark's career line of .303/.384/.497 looks a bit like what Barton might do, with maybe a slightly lower BA (.295?), higher OBP (.400+) and slightly lower SLG (.475?).
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