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Derek Lowe Prospect Retro

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Derek Lowe was drafted by the Seattle Mariners in the eighth round of the 1991 draft, out of high school in Dearborn, Michigan. Assigned to the rookie level Arizona League, he posted a 2.41 ERA with a 60/21 K/BB in 71 innings, solid performance overall. Lowe showed decent command and a good sinker. He was ranked the ninth-best Mariners prospect by Baseball America heading into 1992. This was a long time before I started doing prospect analysis: in 1991 I was single, in grad school, not married yet, and planning on becoming a history professor at some small college somewhere. In retrospect, I'd probably give a similar pitcher a Grade C+ or B- nowadays, promising but a long way from the majors.

Moved up to Bellingham in the Northwest League in 1992, Lowe again pitched well, with a 2.42 ERA and a 66/22 K/BB in 86 innings, with just 69 hits and two homers allowed. He was named the sixth-best prospect in the Northwest League in the strength of his power sinker and solid command, and I'd rate a similar pitcher in the Grade B/B- range nowadays, pending data from higher levels.

The Mariners made an aggressive move in 1993, skipping him past Low-A and sending him to High-A Riverside in the California League. He struggled here, somehow going 12-9 but with a 5.26 ERA, a weak 80/60 K/BB, and giving up an ugly 189 hits in 154 innings. He still drew praise for his pure talent, but the numbers were obviously unimpressive, with a sharp drop in his strikeout rate and an excessive number of hits. I would have dropped him to Grade C+.

Moved up to Double-A Jacksonville in 1994, Lowe continued to struggle, with a 4.94 ERA, 177 hits allowed in 151 innings, and a very unimpressive 75/50 K/BB ratio. He was young at age 21, but these were very weak numbers. I was working for Bill James by this point, and I remember thinking that Lowe, who was still getting good scouting reports, was very overrated as a prospect. Eddie Epstein didn't put him in the first edition of the STATS Minor League Scouting Notebook. Grade C.

1995 was an injury season, Lowe limited to just 10 starts for Double-A Port City, with a 6.08 ERA and a 30/22 K/BB in 53 innings, with 70 hits allowed. I did not put him in the 1996 Scouting Notebook, the first edition I wrote, and frankly given his poor performance in 1993, 1994, and 1995, there was no reason to think he was much of a prospect at all at this point.

Lowe returned to health in 1996. He started off at Port City, with a 3.05 ERA and a 33/17 K/BB in 65 innings. Promoted to Triple-A Tacoma, he went 6-9, 4.54 with a 54/37 K/BB in 105 innings, 118 hits allowed. I saw him pitch late in the year for Tacoma, and was NOT impressed. His stuff was very weak in the game I saw, lacking both movement and velocity. I did put him in the 1997 book, but as just a Grade C/C- guy and noting "mediocre stuff". I wrote that he could get some major league innings but was unlikely to do much with them.

Lowe split 1997 four ways: between Tacoma and Seattle, then was traded to Boston along with Jason Varitek in exchange for Heathcliff Slocumb. He posted a 6.96 ERA with a 39/20 K/BB in 53 innings for the Mariners, but was much more effective with the Red Sox: 2.37 ERA in 30 innings at Pawtucket, then 3.38 ERA with a 13/3 K/BB in 16 innings for the Red Sox. He exceeded rookie qualifications and didn't get into the 1998 book.

You know his story from this point. He was OK as a swingman for the Red Sox in 1998, then became a closer for three years, then developed into an effective inning-eating starter for the last eight years. He has developed into a much better pitcher than his minor league numbers indicated. When I think back to the very marginal guy I saw pitch for Tacoma, and the mediocre-to-poor component ratios he showed from 1993 through 1996, I'm reminded of just how unpredictable pitching prospects can be. I didn't see this coming at all.

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Gah...

Thanks for opening that old wound and pouring copious amounts of salt over it. The Lowe/Varitek battery for a few months of an over-the-hill closer still rates as one of Seattle’s worst trades (if not THE worst) they’ve ever done. It’s almost as perplexing as the Asdrubal Cabrera trade for a couple months of a platoon platoon (that double platoon is intentional) hitter in Eduardo Perez that ended retiring at season’s end. While it’s hard to project the type of pitcher Lowe was going to become considering his minor league track record, the thought of trading Lowe for a pittance is frustrating.

by Grudyfan on Oct 9, 2025 2:51 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

As a Seattle fan...

I know what you mean. But I can rest easily knowing that if he had stayed with the Mariners, he never would have become the same player that he did in Boston. That’s just the way it happens in Seattle. Just like in an alternate universe Felix Hernandez was a 23 game winner this past season with an ERA that looks like the average GPA of the Texas Longhorns’ offensive line.

As a Seattle fan, you should be used to disappointment. We get one of the most exciting basketball players in years… and they take our team away. We get an MVP type of running back… and he is out of football two years later. Being a Seattle fan I think has caused me to lead an underwhelming life. When I get knocked down, I expect it. I’m used to it. Damn you Seattle Sports Scene… damn you straight to Hell!

(Go Seahawks!)

"My mom always taught me it's better to laugh at yourself than to laugh at others. She was so wrong. ;)" -Pedrophile

by Boxkutter on Oct 9, 2025 4:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

that actually makes me feel a little better.

i thought us philadelphians had the market on sports futility cornered, but seeing this kind of despair from another region just brings a tinge of hopefulness to my being.

When they should be sacrifice bunting, they are buying effeminate designer jeans. When they should be fouling off pitches, they are masturbating. Always, they are masturbating.

by variablesdont on Oct 9, 2025 4:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Baseball

Mariners won 116 games not too long ago. As a pirates fan with no one on the roster even close to a King Felix, Eric Bedard, Adrian Gonzalez, or Ichiro; I don’t want to hear any whining. Our roster is garbage. We have had 16 straight losing seasons. And I don’t even know what its like to get to see a baseball game after the All Star break(or April for that matter) that matters.

Philly too, you don’t get to bitch either. Phillies made the playoffs last year. Are in the ALCS this year(and up 1-0). They have players on their roster like Utley, Rollins, Howard, Lidge and Hammels. What exactly do you have to be so down about?

Every aspect of the Pirates franchise sucks balls. I would kill for the chance to go to a Pirates’ game in September that was for a division crown.

You guys amuse me, seriously.

take care,

CHC

Go Pirates!!!

by cool hand Charlie on Oct 10, 2025 8:12 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Yeah but the Steelers won the Super Bowl

a couple years ago over Seattle. I am not sure that Pittsburgh holds the monopoly on sports futility even if the Pirates are terrible and have been for a while.

by brentash on Oct 10, 2025 12:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

yeah

But this is a baseball forum. No offense to the Steelers and Pens, but screw football and hockey. Their success in their respective sports doesn’t make me feel any better about the Pirates.

Go Pirates!!!

by cool hand Charlie on Oct 10, 2025 1:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

What about KC baseball?

Ugh… headed in the right direction now…. but for the last five years we one of the worst teams ever.

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Oct 11, 2025 9:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

ugh

at least we had a fluke good season one year that made us happy.

Rowdy Hardy Fan Club member.

by doublestix on Oct 11, 2025 10:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

right

I would take even 1 year where we win 100 games at this point. Just something to give us hope….hell, I’ll even take a false sense of hope at this point.

Go Pirates!!!

by cool hand Charlie on Oct 12, 2025 9:52 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

i dunno man

false hope is kinda cool, but then after it happens you’ll realize it actually sucks. we went 83-79 led by mike sweeney and carlos beltran and random career years by darrell may and a few other guys. caused us to hold onto beltran another year when we probably could have maximized the return by trading him earlier.

of course, it didn’t help that our GM was dumber than a box of rocks.

Rowdy Hardy Fan Club member.

by doublestix on Oct 12, 2025 4:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

A Pirates fan can take in a game at PNC and look up at World Series Championship banners from 1909, 1925, 1960, 1971, 1979. A Seattle fan like myself looks up at a 2001 AL West Champions banner with an inscription that reads 116 Wins. Big Ben didn’t get in.

by Con on Oct 13, 2025 11:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

John, Many people compare

Luke Hochevar to Lowe…do you see a comparison? Can Luke become Derek?

We always did feel the same, We just saw it from a different point of view, Tangled up in blue.
-Bob Dylan

by Royal Kingdom on Oct 10, 2025 9:24 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

I see that

DLowe’s development at the MLB level was BRUTAL to watch.

Jimy Williams was trying him in all sorts of roles… and he was super frustrating. Then he finally settled in as an effective swingman/Ramiro Mendoza guy. This was before he was closer. It all came together for him and he just started pitching effectively no matter where you put him.

I could definitely see this development pattern from Hochevar. He has the stuff and the pedigree. He was slightly rushed to the majors. In this day and age we see rookies come up and dominate all the time. we forget some guys need a couple times around the league to figure things out. Often it can be a maturity thing, not even a pitching thing. Life is complex at the MLB level, and these are young kids who need to find themselves sometimes.

by alskor on Oct 10, 2025 2:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

John

Do you think that DLowe could mentor a Hochevar if signed by a team that has one? Would he invest in a younger player?
(The chances of the Royals doing this are slim to none, maybe another team?)

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Oct 11, 2025 9:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

DLowe?

No. He’s a bit of a partier. Likes to go out. Nice guy, but I dont see him as much of a mentor.

Other players that makes some sense, but ability still should be the reason for bringing players on board.

by alskor on Oct 13, 2025 2:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Thanks John

I love these older prospect retros.

by DeJay on Oct 10, 2025 9:32 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Groundball pitchers

This goes to show you how undervalued the ground-ball pitcher is.

ProjectProspect.com - Sullivan10x@yahoo.com

by sully10x on Oct 10, 2025 1:59 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Steelers

HERE WE GO STEELERS HERE WE GO!

by Rupert Pupkin on Oct 12, 2025 6:52 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs


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