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You're the GM! New York Yankees Edition

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I talked with Mark Newman, Yankees Senior Vice President for Baseball Operations, a couple of weeks ago on XM radio. I made a mild joke about Yankees fans being extremely disgruntled about the team merely finishing over .500 but not getting to the post season. He responded that he and the front office were, in fact, extremely disgruntled about this turn of events. So let's see if we can fix this for them.

You are GM of the Yankees. The Steinbrenners promise not to interfere too much, but they want to win NOW, and they will give you all the money in the universe to do it. What do you do? Trades? Which free agents to sign? Which incumbents to keep? What about the farm system? Get this team back into the playoffs, now, though try not to gut the farm system completely to do it. 

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trade all my top prospects for relief pitching! I kid, I kid..

Obviously on the top of the wish list is CC. They’re going to throw so much $$$ at him, he’s going to have a hard time saying yes to anyone else, as much as he may want to go home to Cali or stay in Milwaukee.

I’m sure most other pitchers are going to wait for the 300 lb domino to fall first, as they should. It’s a pronounced sellers market this year, if CC signs somewhere other than NY, look out, the market is going to go crazy. Dempster, Burnett and Sheets in particular could see huge paydays if the Yanks don’t land CC as they’ll be throwing dollars of desperation around should that happen. I also think lack of depth will ensure Joba remains a starter for now. I predict their opening day rotation to be Wang/Hughes/Moose/Burnett/Joba

I also see them as big players in the Mark Teixiera sweepstakes. Abreu will be back, Damon will not. Manny has expressed interest in going there before - payback to the Sauks? Adam Dunn is another I think will be linked to talks this winter - a good fit with the short porch in left.

by slurve on Oct 7, 2025 8:44 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

You're saying they don't get CC?

Either that or I guess he goes to the pen. :)

by parish on Oct 7, 2025 10:05 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Yeah

I don’t think he goes to NY. I’m guessing Milwaukee or LA and then they go after AJ.

by slurve on Oct 7, 2025 12:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Where do you think Damon goes?

Where do you think they trade Damon to since he has one year left on his contract? Wouldn’t it make sense to let Abreu walk as a free agent rather then ink him to another multiyear deal?

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Oct 7, 2025 2:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

My bad

I thought Damon’s contract was up. I still think Abreu will be back.

by slurve on Oct 7, 2025 3:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Agree somewhat

I think Abreu will be back but that likely means somebody must go. I do see them signing Teix or another big 1B. That leaves an OF of Matsui, Abreu, Damon, Melke, and the DH position. I think the Yankees must realize that there is a VERY good chance that Posada will end up the DH due to his surgically repaired shoulder. It is obvious that Matsui, Abreu, and Damon can’t play CF so one of them will likely have to go. Of the 3 guys do you think the Yankees may pass on Abreu or will they attempt to deal Matsui or Damon?

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-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Oct 7, 2025 3:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Also

Apparently the Yankees are very high on Xavier Nady so that is another bat in the crowded OF situation. I originally forgot about him but I have to admit that now I don’t see any reason for them to bring back Abreu.

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-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Oct 7, 2025 3:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Being that

so much money is coming off the books - I wouldn’t be surprised if they tried to trade Matsui and Damon both - they’ll be willing to eat some cash for a year if it means bringing others in with middle range contracts. I can see an OF consisting of Abreu/Melke/Manny or Dunn. High as they may be on Nady, he isn’t going to produce what others available can.

by slurve on Oct 7, 2025 4:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

It might sound odd

but Damon to the Astros makes a lot of sense to me…

They need a lead off bat, and the combo of Pence/Damon could cover CF/RF for them. The Astros owner doesn’t want to rebuild but they have little firepower to make a real move.

by laxtonto on Oct 7, 2025 8:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

what would they give back though?

the Astro’s farm is about as bad as it gets. and from a Yankee prospective they’re certainly not desperately needing to dump Damon.

by RollingWave on Oct 7, 2025 9:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

You say that

but there are only so many spots in the OF and DH . If NYY decides to keep Matsui with Nady in 1 OF and Posada at DH, do you trust Damon to be the everyday CF? What do yo do with Melky? Do you not bring back there most consistent bat in Abreau?

Damon seems like he gets the short stick to me.

Trade him to Houston for a bullpen arm, and Chris Johnson (3B, only prospect they had to make any league top 20) and send a little cash for a mild salary dump.

That would leave an OF of Nady / Melky / Abreau with a DH platoon of Matsui and Posada that could rotate into their old positions (IF Posada can play C and Matsui can play OF). That still leaves room to sign a 1B or resign Giambi

by laxtonto on Oct 7, 2025 10:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Posada

Who said anything about Posada being the everyday DH?

by Fanon on Oct 8, 2025 12:18 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

His shoulder injury is said to possibly force him to 1B or DH.

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Oct 8, 2025 1:46 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

astros stay put

astros are going to stay with bourn and back up with abercrombie and erstad
so a no go for damon.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/6043655.html

by jmull08 on Oct 8, 2025 7:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Well then

I suppose they’ll stay put in the standings as well.

by Fanon on Oct 8, 2025 10:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Bigger on Teixeira than Sabathia

I just think Teixeira will give a better return on investment than Sabathia. Besides, their offense was a bigger problem than their pitching this year. Tex will help their defense and lineup. If they can pull off some kind of Cano-Kemp deal, I’d do that too, and then try to grab Hudson. I mostly agree with Sheehan’s analysis on this one.

But remember, their pitching turned out okay this year, even with everything going wrong with the kids.

by aap212 on Oct 7, 2025 9:24 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Actually

offense and pitching were both in the same range of mediocrity. They both need an equal shot in the arm. I expect 1 impact signing for pitchers and probably 2 impact bats. I agree with Tex being a bigger return on investment, but that isn’t in the Yanks vocabulary - they just spend.

by slurve on Oct 7, 2025 9:52 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Fair enough

One big signing on each side of the ball, with a few smaller pickups sounds like both a good idea and a likely one.

by aap212 on Oct 7, 2025 9:53 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

however

the single biggest culprit to the offensive woes was Jorge Posada missing most of the season. unless you get 8 other Babe ruths into the lineup it’s difficult to have a strong lineup featuring Jose Molina.

by RollingWave on Oct 7, 2025 9:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Teixeira

Tex is a great player but he’s pretty overrated. $160 million for a first baseman who is probably going to OPS closer to .900 than he is to 1.000? 8 years? His really big years, besides this one, all came in the friendly confines of the Ballpark (and this is his walk year). He’ll likely be a reliable and consistent contributor, but the only thing he’s done to justify a contract that crazy is hire Scott Boras as his agent.

by Fanon on Oct 7, 2025 10:20 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Overrated?

When you call him overrated, what first baseman is better? Pujols, sure. But Ryan Howard’s a platoon split nightmare with poor defense. Maybe Berkman, who also plays in a bandbox with merely adequate defense. Prince Fielder’s in the discussion. But if you’re leaving out money and just talking quality of player, Pujols is the only first baseman I’d rather have than Tex.

Anyway, it’s a short list, and if you’re asking for a player who has an OPS closer to 1000 than 900 every year, then you’re basically asking for a player who doesn’t exist. Teixeira’s probably the second best all around first baseman in baseball. I’m not saying he’ll be worth every penny, but he’ll provide more value for the money he gets than any other elite free agent this year (in part because they’re all pitchers).

by aap212 on Oct 7, 2025 10:32 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Nah.

Miggy and Morneau are ahead of Tex in my book. I just looked this years VORP list… Tex has quite a few 1b ahead of him.

by slurve on Oct 7, 2025 10:45 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

You're reading the VORP list wrong

Mark Teixeira vastly out-VORPed Morneau. The VORP leaders list has Teixeira as an Angel and Teixeira as a Brave separately, and each is in the top 100. Same with Manny.

I forgot about Cabrera. He’s an interesting challenger. Pujols, Berkman, and maybe Cabrera are the only 1B I’d take over Teixeira.

by aap212 on Oct 7, 2025 10:52 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Years

Has he done enough to justify an 8 year contract? Because I really don’t think he has, but that’s probably what he’s going to get.

by Fanon on Oct 7, 2025 11:48 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I don't think anyone deserves that many years

But I’d take eight years of Tex over six or seven years of Sabathia.

by aap212 on Oct 7, 2025 11:52 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

He's also a safer bet to stay healthy

Long-term contracts for pitchers are bad…

by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 7, 2025 12:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Fine

But no first baseman whose initials aren’t AP deserves that kind of contract. It’s an easy position to get offense from.

by Fanon on Oct 8, 2025 12:20 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Agreed

Andy Phillips is worth about that much. Maybe not in talent, but in heart.

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by lemonjello on Oct 8, 2025 12:39 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Morneau

I’m a huge Morneau fan, probably my favorite guy on the Twins team but even I could say I’d take Texeira over him if the price was similar. The biggest thing is the money. 1B can usually keep producing and even switch to DH if they lose their defensive prowess. If I were the Yanks I’d throw the money at him because they have it to spend. Why not?

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Oct 7, 2025 12:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Morneau's defense is awful

And he’s a worse offensive player than Teixeira.

Teixeira is more valuable than Cabrera when you consider defense.

by VictorW on Oct 8, 2025 2:09 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

What?

Morneau and his .997 fielding percentage is awful? Please don’t come back at me with ZR or RF stats as those aren’t the most accurate “stats.”

Tex’s defensive value at 1B is more than Cabrera’s right now - but certainly isn’t wide enough of a gap that it makes much difference in contributing to overall wins. Cabrera is also new there - being switched to 1b about a month into the season. He’s very athletic as he came up through the minors as a SS. I’m sure he’ll be closer to Tex defensively going forward.

by slurve on Oct 8, 2025 7:41 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Fielding stats are pathetic

I judge defense almost completely on what I actually see with my own eyes. I realize that fielding % isn’t the greatest, but if you aren’t error prone, it’s always a good thing. I absolutely detest fielding stats.

by slurve on Oct 8, 2025 4:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

How are fielding stats pathetic?

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by Anticon23 on Oct 8, 2025 6:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Quantifying fielding

is still in its infancy. It’s got a long way to go before they even come close to telling us what hitting stats can.

by slurve on Oct 8, 2025 6:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Do you know how UZR or +/- works?

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by Anticon23 on Oct 8, 2025 6:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Or PMR, or SAFE when it was around?

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by Anticon23 on Oct 8, 2025 6:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

you need to take a look at the following links

The Fielding Bibles +/- System

Basically it looks at every single ball hit into play and maps its exact vector…

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by jbluestone on Oct 8, 2025 8:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

You're not comparing it to hitting stats, you're comparing it to the Mark One Eyeball

and while that is indeed a marvelous device, it has a number of serious, if not crippling, defects when evaluating fielding… particularly if you are not watching a specific fielder, in person, over a period of numerous games.

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by PaulThomas on Oct 9, 2025 2:11 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

+1 to this too!

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by doublestix on Oct 9, 2025 7:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

+1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Finally someone agrees with me.

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by doublestix on Oct 9, 2025 7:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Fielding percentage is far less accurate than ZR or RF. FWIW, Morneau was a -1 this season (according to +/-). So his defense isn’t awful. I’d rate it as about “average.”

The gap between Teixeira and Cabrera right now did make a difference in overall wins. Cabrera was a -6 at first base this year. Converted to runs and then into wins, he was -0.48 wins at first with his glove.

Tex, on the other hand, was a +24 at first base. That translates into 1.8 wins. So Tex was worth about 1.3 wins more than Miggy with the glove.

I have Morneau at 4.22 WAR, Cabrera at 3.96, and Teixeira (who had a monster season) at 8.25 WAR.

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by Anticon23 on Oct 8, 2025 3:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

wow

you’ve obviously never watched morneau play….the twins management had no problem letting mientkiewicz go because they felt morneau was already in his class defensively and would only get better….morneau’s one of the sharpest defenders around the first base bag….and i think any poll of the rest of the league would bring that out….

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

by biggentleben on Oct 8, 2025 7:50 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Disturbing Post

This is a very disturbing post, have you ever watched Morneau play, Although he is no dougie baseball - his defense has gotten better and better every year

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by Love Twins on Oct 8, 2025 8:47 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I wouldn't characterize it as "awful"

More like “slightly below average at the position.”

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by PaulThomas on Oct 8, 2025 3:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Oh Man...

Sign Sabathia, Teixeira and O. Hudson, trade for Peavy (offer headlined by Cano, Hughes and Kennedy maybe), exercise Marte’s option and then convince Mussina and/or Pettite to pitch another year. Let’s see what that gives you:

Rotation - Sabathia, Peavy, Wang, Mussina/Pettite and Chamberlain.
Bullpen - Rivera, Bruney, Ramirez, Marte, Farnsworth, Coke, Veras and Giese
Line-up - Damon (LF), Jeter (SS), Rodriguez (3B), Teixeira (1B), Nady (RF), Hudson (2B), Posada (DH), Molina © and M. Cabrera (CF).

Hmmm… trading for Jake is probably not possible (in that case, pencil Hughes in as the 5th starter and push everyone else up or hope you can convince both vets to postpone retirement) and the line-up is not as impressive as it should be (perhaps sign a power hitting OF that could play RF?). I guess the bottom line is that, if they’re willing to spend in free agency and are aggresive in the trade market (passt hallmarks of this franchise) they could well field another imposing team.

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by ejruiz on Oct 7, 2025 9:47 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Wow

You’re a very busy hypothetical GM. But you really want to sign Farnsworth again?

by aap212 on Oct 7, 2025 9:54 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Good job at identifying the potential SD fire-sale

but the guy who the Yanks should target isn’t Peavy … its Adrian Gonzalez. This kid is younger and he’ll be cheaper than teixeira. Its way easier to land a 26 yr old slugging 1B than a 27 yr old former Cy winner.

by BxCitizen on Oct 7, 2025 10:41 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Wont happen

Adrian has probably, the best contract (very padres friendly) through his peak years in baseball. 3 million in ‘09, 4.25 in ’10, and a club option for 5.5 in ’11. He won’t be moved.

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by Metty5 on Oct 7, 2025 12:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Joba

I don’t have time to write out a comprehensive plan right now, but the one thing I know I would do: start Joba in the bullpen.

I view him as a starter long-term, and I think it would be a huge waste to have him pitch in relief permanently, especially considering that Mariano hasn’t shown any signs of slowing down yet. He’s a future ace, and should be viewed as such. That said, I think he would do well to start the year in the bullpen, being shifted to the rotation in mid-summer. If he starts in the rotation they’re going to be begging for an arm problem with the innings count he’ll inevitably accumulate. The Yankees have the resources to find someone else to fill that spot in the rotation for the time being, and it’s pretty inevitable that one of their starters will get hurt. The Twins did very well utilizing Santana similarly, even when he’d shown himself to be one of the best starters in the league, and given Chamberlain’s injury history, it’s way too risky to jump him to 200 innings next season (possibly even more if the Yankees make the playoffs).

by Fanon on Oct 7, 2025 10:14 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

hmmm... lets see

First I would trade away all of my top prospects and get Travis Hafner, Gary Sheffield, Jamie Moyer, Jim Thome, and some other old geezers then resign and laugh like a maniac and live my life in peace from there out….

by kershaw_equals_stud on Oct 7, 2025 10:34 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Adrian Gonzalez and CC Sabathia

are the 2 guys the Yanks should grab. Firstly, A-Gonz is the Yank solution for 1B. Trade for this guy. SD is on the verge of a fire-sale. Towers has come out and already stated that no-one is “untouchable.” Cashman should then spend the big bucks on signing CC to a six-year deal. If the Yanks are now making an effort to avoid a 200 Million dollar budget, then TRADE for a-gonz who’s under a really team friendly contract for the next 3 years. A-Gonz is a .550 slugger waiting to happen and with A-rod backing him up, i think A-Gonz becomes a major media star. Its absolutely worth the cost of say … hughes, melancon, and miranda.

by BxCitizen on Oct 7, 2025 10:39 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

A-Gon would require a ton in trade

What are you prepared to give up? Because a rinky-dink Nady package won’t get the job done.

by aap212 on Oct 7, 2025 10:40 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Lets see..

I think the Padres are looking towards the future. I’m thinking a package of young, cheap players who’ll be under SD control for a while will get it done. That’s why Cano is off the table. I’m going to say: Hughes, Melancon, Melky, and Miranda.

by BxCitizen on Oct 7, 2025 10:43 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

No way that's enough

The second best player in that package can’t be a reliever or Melky. Bear in mind, that’s because I (and the Padres, I’m sure) agree with you that Gonzalez is a fantastic, underrated, and extremely desirable player.

by aap212 on Oct 7, 2025 10:46 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Hughes would

be more than enough to get that done. Serious case of WHYDFML attached to Hughes right now.

by slurve on Oct 7, 2025 10:47 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

A-Gon is a young, cheap star

That costs prospects. Plural. Hughes and a mystery platter isn’t enough, even though I still like Hughes a lot.

by aap212 on Oct 7, 2025 10:54 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Relative

Gonzales will cost the Padres 7.75 mil the next 2 seasons. Hughes would be about 1 mil. If they are looking to slash payroll, it may be more attractive to them than you may think.

by slurve on Oct 7, 2025 11:01 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Certainty is an issue

Hughes is a pitcher with little experience in the majors and injury problems the last two years. The Padres would want something else significant in return for a sure thing like Gonzalez. 7.75 is not much for a 26-year old who put up a 40+ VORP in a huge ballpark with great defense.

by aap212 on Oct 7, 2025 11:06 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Mystery platter doesn't apply to Melancon

SD has no-one in the farm as good as Melancon. They are actively looking for a potential Hoffman replacement. Melancon is that man. He’s one of the better relief prospects in all of baseball. Hughes + Melancon fronted package will certainly grab Towers’s attn and might get it done.

There’s NO one in the SD pitching side of the farm as good as Hughes or Melancon.

by BxCitizen on Oct 7, 2025 11:09 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

That's not the issue

Comparing prospects to the San Diego farm system isn’t a fair way to measure them. Comparing them to Gonzalez and his market value is the issue. Let’s say Teixeira were to sign somewhere other than New York or Anaheim. You don’t think a half dozen guys from the Angels are better than anything the Padres have, too?

I could see the Padres insisting on Hughes and Austin Jackson, maybe willing to send someone like Heath Bell along with Gonzalez. But in that situation, I see Cashman valuing his prospects like he did last offseason, hanging up the phone, and calling Boras to make a Teixeira deal.

by aap212 on Oct 7, 2025 11:16 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

why do Yankee fans always include Melky in deals?

He is worthless. It’s been 3 years now. He’s got no upside. He’s a mediocre hitting outfielder with little power, speed, or discipline. He’s got a good arm, but that’s about it. He’s a prototypical 4th outfielder.

No other teams ascribe value to Melky. Every Yankee fans wants to trade Melky.

I can’t see the Yankees getting Peavy or Gonzalez for less than Hughes and some package with Montero or Jackson. Melky is nothing.

by Galt on Oct 7, 2025 1:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

+1

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by King Billy Royal on Oct 7, 2025 2:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

If A-Gonz is on the market

then the Yanks won’t be the only ones actively looking for an upgrade at 1B. The Braves would get involved for sure as would the teams who got priced out of the Tex sweepstakes.

Btw. I wouldn’t trade A-Jax, but I would move someone in the lower minors like Kelvin DeLeon if it absolutely came down to it. A-jax is simply too darn close to contributing to an old, suspect OF.

by BxCitizen on Oct 7, 2025 11:22 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Now we're on the same page

Although I’d assume the Braves are committed to Kotchman, right?

by aap212 on Oct 7, 2025 11:25 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Not necessarily.

Since there’s no DH, I think the Braves would upgrade 1B and trade Kotchman for A-Gonz. The Braves are hoping Francoeur figures something out. They can’t afford another disaster season from him. Kotchman for A-Gonz is a major upgrade.

by BxCitizen on Oct 7, 2025 11:26 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Trade Robinson Cano

To the Twins!!! I don’t know what it would take but his value is down and there have been rumors of his availability. Would a package of one of Slowey,Blackburn,Perkins and some lower level good prospects get it done? Do the Yanks have someone in mind to replace him or is it extremely unlikely they trade him away?

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Oct 7, 2025 12:07 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

I wouldn't

trade slowey as far as I’m concerned slowey Baker and Liriano are all off limits except for superstars Blackburn would be my #4 starter and Perkins is the guy I would most likely give up.

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by FrozenTed9 on Oct 7, 2025 12:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I just wonder if that would get it done

I’m as big a slowey fan as anyone but I just don’t see them getting a guy like Cano without giving someone great up. I would be ecstatic to get Cano for a package of say Blackburn/Swarzak/ a ball prospect with upside.

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Oct 7, 2025 12:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I'm not a

Big Cano Guy

1941 .406

by FrozenTed9 on Oct 7, 2025 6:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Yankee fans must have poor stock portfolios

The Yankees and their fans are too frequently eager to buy high and sell low. How much will it suck if Nady goes back to being what he’s always been before 2008 and Cano returns to 2006-7 form, but Cano was traded somewhere else for pennies on the dollar? If some sort of Cano/Kemp swap is doable, that’s great, but trading Cano for the sake of trading Cano is a terrible idea.

by aap212 on Oct 7, 2025 1:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

+1

Trading Nady makes a ton more sense then trading Cano, trading Cano now is the typicaly sell low buy high then wonder why things didn’t work out your way logic that has been burning the Yankees.

by RollingWave on Oct 7, 2025 9:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Slowey

They are not gonna trade slowey, once he gets more experience he is going to lights out.

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by Love Twins on Oct 8, 2025 8:49 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Yanks

First the team’s payroll was 209 million last year, assuming they don’t have a problem staying near that, or going over (they are moving into a new park) this is what I think Cashman will do.

From the payroll they are loosing, Abreu (16m+), Pettitte (16m+), Pudge (13m) Mussina (11m), Marte (6m club option), and Giambi (21m, w. a 5m club option) and thats about it majorly

The Team will look like this, not counting bench
C- Posada, (?) Molina
1B- ?
2B- Cano
3B- Rodriguez
SS- Jeter
OF- Damon, Melky, Nady
DH - Matsui

Holes-
Catcher — I really think that Posada is done as a catcher, but hopefully he’ll be able to stay back there. If not i think he’ll be Jeff Bagwell and play first with no arm. They are loyal to him, just gave him a big deal, and aren’t just going to send him to the glue factory.

If I’m the Yanks, i move him to first, and talk to Texas about Laird. Obviously, Texas is in desperate need of pitching, so Kennedy and Melancon would get it done (maybe not, but as cashman i would make a deal around those two work).

This would save the team money, get a good defender back there, with a decent contract.

Center —I think the Yanks need to move Melky to the Bench(-4 VORP). I could see them trying to deal for Nate McLouth, Cody Ross/Josh Willingham, or eat the contract of Aaron Rowand.

In the end, I see them getting on of those two from Florida. Florida will seriously compete this year with all of those pitchers healthy. They will be fine with an OF, of Maybin, Hermida (back as a starter) and Willingham. I’ll say they take Ross because he can play center (+15 in center BJames.com).

That brings them to,
C- Laird
1B- Posada
2B- Cano
SS - Jeter
3B- Arod
OF- Damon, Ross, Nady (its not sexy, but it will have to do).

Pitching wise, I see them resigning Mussina, but not Pettitte.

They’ll look like this, Wang, Mussina, Hughes, Joba, and Kennedy/Pavano. Not pretty.

Not going for Tex allows them to sign CC and not loose too much of the compensation they’ve earned (maybe depending on arbitration). I see him signing for 6 years 136 million. I know he probably doesn’t want to, but the Mets won’t tie up 300 million in two pitchers, the Angles are going to tie up similar money in Tiex, and the Dodgers are in fiscal trouble.

CC Wang Mussina, Joba, Hughes is pretty nice, but I could see them going to another stater like Brad Penny (maybe a bounce back) or John Garland to fix up the back end. I’ll say Garland.

The pen looks like this, Rivera, Brian Bruney, Jose Veras, Edwar Ramirez, and Damaso Marte.

The yankees need another lefty, they’ll sign Will Ohman to be there lefty guy.

 

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by Metty5 on Oct 7, 2025 12:52 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Mixed thoughts

I like that your vision isn’t just signing the five biggest free agents or magically trading for guys the other team wouldn’t trade. But I don’t think your ideas do quite enough to solve the team’s offensive woes.

by aap212 on Oct 7, 2025 1:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

If they let all those people walk...

they’re left with just over $80 million in cap space to get back to that $209 mil. mark.

Think about that for a second — $80 million in free cap space… that’s just ridiculous. Even if they bring back Pettitte and Mussina, they still have a ridiculous amount of money to work with, and that’s just to get back to last year’s total. Who’s to say they won’t increase that payroll?

I like the way your thinking Metty, but in the end, a ticked off, fired up Steinbrenner with money to spend is going to spend every available penny. Cashman or no Cashman, the Yanks will buy big this off-season.

by jseiner on Oct 7, 2025 4:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Can we not use the term "cap space" with respect to baseball?

It’s both imprecise and inaccurate.

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by PaulThomas on Oct 7, 2025 6:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Sorry

$80 mil we know Hank is willing to spend. Basically works the same way, there just isn’t a good, convenient title for it.

by jseiner on Oct 8, 2025 2:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Hmmm

You didn’t say who you were going to trade for the florida guys.

by jahs34 on Oct 7, 2025 9:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I like the move for Laird

Think I might have to steal it.

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by grover on Oct 7, 2025 10:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Kennedy would be unlikely as a Texas target

GB/FB and HR rate have already been mentioned before as a no deal for Texas..

Good idea, but going to be a different pitcher…

Besides, hes a good bet to have as a long man / MLB 6/7th emergency starter that can be stashed in AAA. Great to have with 3 pitchers coming off injury. Especially with Texas’s 40 man pretty much maxed out, would have to a younger guy not on the 40 or a higher quality SP that would crack the Texas rotation not equal to what they have. Kennedy would fall in line with the 6 or 7 guys fighting for the 4/5 spot.

by laxtonto on Oct 7, 2025 11:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

i love the idea

of acquiring ross….but what does that do about AJack?

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by jbluestone on Oct 7, 2025 11:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

to expand on ur trade for laird

Why not see if you can get one of their other catchers…. Max Ramirez, teagarden, Salty… they have a ton of catching prospects. If i am going to give up two pretty strong pitching prospects Id like a catcher who could be a full time guy ( i do like laird, but i dont think we should have to give up two highly regarded pitching prospects for him).

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by jbluestone on Oct 7, 2025 11:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I have to think the Yankees just don’t have enough in the way of prospects to land an Adrian Gonzalez type. Someone, somewhere is going to be willing and able to give up more in terms of prospects than NY.

So if I were the Yankees, the two players I would pursue most heavily would be Teixeira and Lowe. Get Teixeira locked up for 7-8 years and Lowe for 3-4. This way, you get longterm help for the lineup, where the Yankees have few prospects who really excite me, and short term hope for the rotation, where the team does actually have some young hope on the way. I’d supplement those moves by looking to snag a versatile outfielder a catcher and maybe some middle infield help too. shoring up the bullpen couldn’t hurt either. but those two big signings would be the foundation of my offseason.

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by Smoke on the Water on Oct 7, 2025 2:27 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Teixeira and Sabathia

Lets face it. The Yankees are going to spend and spend BIG!!!! They have lots of resources and money coming off the books. If I were the Yankees I would go after the best pitcher available and the best hitter available. I would let Giambi walk, resign Petitte, say farewell to Mussina if he really wants a 3 year contract, and sign Abreu to a 2 year deal maximum (if he wants more years he can go elsewhere).

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by King Billy Royal on Oct 7, 2025 2:47 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

If I'm Cashman, I would...

1) look to trade both Damon and Matsui (and would be willing to eat $3-4M of Matsui’s contract). Both guys are in the last year of their deals that pay them $13M. I would replace them with Manny (who is bound to want some revenge on Boston) (probably a 3yr plus an option at somewhere between $20-25M/yr). The salaries would be almost equivalent.

2) Sign Teixeira at no more than 7yr $175M ($25M/yr). That would be a big upgrade defensively plus add a switch hitter to the lineup.

3) Get Giambi to agree to replace the final year of his deal with a 2yr $30M deal. I don’t think that it’s a good idea to sign this guy longterm. Giambi would become the Yankees regular DH (which would be probably shared a fair bit with Posada). Otherwise sign someone like Ibanez.

4) Sign Sabathia to a 6yr $132M ($22M/yr). Sign whichever of the following who agrees to work for the most favourable deal: Lowe, Mussina, Pettite. That would give the Yankees a rotation of Sabathia, Wang, Joba, Hughes, and decent starter X (which Kenneday could be included into the mix). If Peavy is available, I would strongly pursue him and be willing to trade a lot for him.

5) Let Abreu go. Let Nady take over RF. That would probably allow the Yankees to pursue a better caliber starter on top of Sabathia.

6) Trade for a reliever. Not too thrilled of the free agent market with Fuentes and K-rod. I really don’t like to overpay for closers, so my preference would be not. A possible candidate is Putz, who had a pretty solid 2nd half after a disastrous 1st half.

That’s probably approx $80M in spending. The Yankees could and probably will spend more than that.

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by parrot11 on Oct 7, 2025 4:08 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Giambi?

Why would you want to pay him 2 years/30 million. That is WAY too much money for what he does at this point. Also, at his age you can expect a decline in production.

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by King Billy Royal on Oct 7, 2025 4:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Also

Manny’s agent is reportedly telling people he wants a 5 year/85 million dollar contract.

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by King Billy Royal on Oct 7, 2025 4:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I dunno, but

I don’t see anyone giving Manny a 5yr deal. Of course all it takes is one GM to do that.

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Farnsworth: Start the ship, Leela. Let's just steal the damn radar dish and get back to our own time.
Fry: But- But won't that change history?
Farnsworth: Oh, a lesson in not changing history from Mr. I'm-My-Own-Grandpa! Let's get the hell out of here already! Screw history!

Farnsworth: You mustn't interfere with the past! Don't do anything that affects anything. Unless it turns out you were supposed to do it. In which case, for the love of God don't not do it!
Fry: Got it.
Farnsworth: If for example you were to kill your grandfather, you'd cease to exist.
Fry: (gasps) But existing is basically all I do.

by parrot11 on Oct 7, 2025 6:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Manny's agent has Brian Sabean on speed-dial

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by PaulThomas on Oct 7, 2025 6:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Not crazy

I think there’s likely a market for Manny at something like 3/65 (21-22M/yr) or 4/80 (20m/yr), so 5/85(17m/yr) to an AL team in a hitter’s park isn’t totally inconceivable. Granted, I don’t think it’s likely, but it would certainly be more feasible for a big market AL team playing in a bandbox (which would help cover Manny’s inevitable decline). Texas? The White Sox? The… Orioles?

My guess is that Manny gets something that smells like 4/75 with a vesting/team held option (either or, obviously) at 20Mish and a hefty buyout. I don’t know where he’ll end up, but if I had to pick… he’s in New York. I’d love to see the Phillies sign him for 2/50M, though.

by GuyinNY on Oct 8, 2025 10:04 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I hear Manny doesn't like options

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by WaddellCanseco on Oct 12, 2025 7:08 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

If I'm Cashman, I would...

1) look to trade both Damon and Matsui (and would be willing to eat $3-4M of Matsui’s contract). Both guys are in the last year of their deals that pay them $13M. I would replace them with Manny (who is bound to want some revenge on Boston) (probably a 3yr plus an option at somewhere between $20-25M/yr). The salaries would be almost equivalent.

2) Sign Teixeira at no more than 7yr $175M ($25M/yr). That would be a big upgrade defensively plus add a switch hitter to the lineup.

3) Get Giambi to agree to replace the final year of his deal with a 2yr $30M deal. I don’t think that it’s a good idea to sign this guy longterm. Giambi would become the Yankees regular DH (which would be probably shared a fair bit with Posada). Otherwise sign someone like Ibanez.

4) Sign Sabathia to a 6yr $132M ($22M/yr). Sign whichever of the following who agrees to work for the most favourable deal: Lowe, Mussina, Pettite. That would give the Yankees a rotation of Sabathia, Wang, Joba, Hughes, and decent starter X (which Kenneday could be included into the mix). If Peavy is available, I would strongly pursue him and be willing to trade a lot for him.

5) Let Abreu go. Let Nady take over RF. That would probably allow the Yankees to pursue a better caliber starter on top of Sabathia.

6) Trade for a reliever. Not too thrilled of the free agent market with Fuentes and K-rod. I really don’t like to overpay for closers, so my preference would be not. A possible candidate is Putz, who had a pretty solid 2nd half after a disastrous 1st half.

That’s probably approx $80M in spending. The Yankees could and probably will spend more than that.

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Farnsworth: Start the ship, Leela. Let's just steal the damn radar dish and get back to our own time.
Fry: But- But won't that change history?
Farnsworth: Oh, a lesson in not changing history from Mr. I'm-My-Own-Grandpa! Let's get the hell out of here already! Screw history!

Farnsworth: You mustn't interfere with the past! Don't do anything that affects anything. Unless it turns out you were supposed to do it. In which case, for the love of God don't not do it!
Fry: Got it.
Farnsworth: If for example you were to kill your grandfather, you'd cease to exist.
Fry: (gasps) But existing is basically all I do.

by parrot11 on Oct 7, 2025 4:09 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

your forgetting about matsui

with respect to the DH slot.

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by jbluestone on Oct 7, 2025 5:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

sorry just saw you want to trade him

my bad!

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by jbluestone on Oct 7, 2025 5:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

As much as I'd hate to see the Yankees do well...

I’m assuming they have an unlimited budget, so they’d be huge players in the FA market. Firstly they sign Tex, Dunn and Orlando Hudson. This gives them great IF defense and offense with Jeter the only one not amazing defensively and Hudson the only one not great offensively. Dunn adds another great bat to the mix in the OF. This fixes the Yanks’ offense.

Then trade Matsui (pay the majority if not all of his salary) and Cano to a team with a lot of pitching, but no hitting. Say for Huston Street and Justin Duchscherer (not that I’d like that as an A’s fan). The Yanks would probably have to throw in a couple prospects as well but not Jackson and not Hughes. Then sign Lowe, CC if you still have the money (but this is running high even for the Yanks). Resign one of Mussina, Pettite.

These leave you with:
Jeter SS
Hudson 2b
ARod 3b
Tex 1b
Dunn LF
Nady RF
Posada/Damon DH
Melky CF
Molina C

Wang
Duke
Lowe
Mussina
Joba

Mo
Street
in-house options

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by vignette17 on Oct 7, 2025 4:45 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

I wouldn't trade Duchscherer and Street for Matsui and Cano

I’d want to solve the SS-3B problem and re-sign Ellis

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by WaddellCanseco on Oct 12, 2025 7:10 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I guess if I'm the Yankees GM I will....

1) Overrate my homegrown talent
2) Assume that everyone wants to play for my team
3) Pay way to much for who I get
4) Still not make the playoffs
5) Listen to that windbag Hank… all… year… long

by dogdays on Oct 7, 2025 4:52 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

6.a) On way to bank cry poor to New York State during construction of unnecessary monstrosity of a stadium*

*which is only being built when it is as a publicity block of the mets and citi field (you know, citi field…the stadium that ISN’T costing an additional $360mil in public money and ISN’T violating federal tax regulations)

by robcast23 on Oct 8, 2025 5:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

my envisioned roster

C-Posada
1b-Mark Tex
2b-robby cano
3b-a-rod
ss-jeter
lf-damon
cf-brett gardner
rf-nady
dh-hideki matusi

Bench
c-molina
of-melky
ult-cody random

SP-Sabathia
SP-A.J Burnett
SP-Wang
SP-Hughes
SP-Chamberlain

CP-Mariano
rp-veras
rp-ramirez
rp-coke
rp-bruney
rp-sanchez
rp-giese
rp-aceves

by Lurkingoutside on Oct 7, 2025 5:45 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

I like this one the best.

Do the Matusi!

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by WaddellCanseco on Oct 12, 2025 7:11 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Didnt get a chance to read others posts

so i apologize if i am repeating anything.

Well…. if the question is how do i win this year, and i have an unlimted budget?

This is completely unrealistic but if i am winning this year without regard to anything else

I am signing Teix for first, Manny to my DH, I am signing CC, Burnett,Sheets and Lowe for my rotation, I give feuntes closer money to be a setup man and closer fill in for Mo. I guess i bring back abreu also?

I contact SD to see what it would take to get peavy.

I offer the mets Cano and Phil Hughes for Carlos Beltran (hey im trying to win in 2009…lol)

I sign Orlando Hudson for 2nd base.

Whats that payroll gonna be 250??? lol

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by jbluestone on Oct 7, 2025 5:48 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

have to admit

Im surprised this didnt grab anyones attention?

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by jbluestone on Oct 7, 2025 6:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Because it's ridiculous?

I don’t mean that as an insult. You admitted you were playing the ridiculous angle. But I think people are more interested in feasible things, which for the Yankees is already ridiculous enough. But stuff like the Beltran thing? It’s a little much.

by aap212 on Oct 7, 2025 7:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

i agree

but wasnt the question john asked


You are GM of the Yankees. The Steinbrenners promise not to interfere too much, but they want to win NOW, and they will give you all the money in the universe to do it.

but yes. it is (or should be completely ridiculous)… I agree… still thought it was funny :-)

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by jbluestone on Oct 7, 2025 7:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

WTF

Beltran ain’t going to no Yankees.

by Fanon on Oct 9, 2025 3:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

lol

read the post man

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by jbluestone on Oct 9, 2025 5:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I just wanted to quote Manny.

by Fanon on Oct 9, 2025 5:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

FA signing rules

people are so quick to just say sign players a,b,c,d,e,f etc…but despite the yankees having all that money coming off the books, you can only sign as many A/B type free agents as you lose (or a minimum of 3) — so while they might go crazy at throwing money at teixeira or sabathia, they can’t throw money at everybody, since they just can’t sign everybody according to mlb rules. it’ll have to be a 1 for 1 replacement situation (lose giambi, sign tex. lose pettite, sign sabathia, etc, not sign 5 guys to replace pettite and moose)

by mookstra2 on Oct 7, 2025 5:59 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

This is wrong

rather not fully wrong but not correct


If only 0-14 players in all of Major League Baseball file for free file for free agency, no team may sign more than one “Type A” or “Type B” player (terms defined below).

If 15-38 players file for free agency, no team may sign more than 2 such free agent players.

If 39-62 players file for free agency, no team may sign more than 3 such free agent players.

If 63 or more players file for free agency, then there are no such limits applied. Furthermore, a team may sign as many type A and B free agents as it has lost, regardless of the limits above.

I am not sure, but i think in general there are like 100-200 free agents every year?

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by jbluestone on Oct 7, 2025 6:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

there are 162 players eligible for free agency

so basically if a little more then 1/3 of them file those limits are gone… which is generally the case.

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by jbluestone on Oct 7, 2025 6:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

if 63 players file...

the limits aren’t gone, just a team can sign as many as they lost. so it still has to be a 1 for 1 loss—>signing ratio with regards to A or B free agents, and pretty much every player being suggested is an A or a B for sure.

by mookstra2 on Oct 8, 2025 9:43 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

nevermind

i read it wrong again. and again. you’re right. so ignore me :)

thanks!

by mookstra2 on Oct 8, 2025 9:43 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

My Idea

I would just stay away from all of the free agents, except Derek Lowe and Rocco Baldelli,both at the right years and price (years mostly). I think Burnett and CC have a lot of risk and $$$ that I just wouldn’t take on right now. Lowe offers a solid #2/3 type for 2 years and Baldelli could help out somehow with a 1-year deal.

If there were a way to get McClouth or Kemp without dealing Cano, Hughes, Melancon, or Montero (psyche) I’d do it, but there isn’t. I just don’t think there is too much to be done this offseason.

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by Pablo Zevallos on Oct 7, 2025 6:33 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Oh

And I would let Andy Pettitte, Mike Mussina, Jason Giambi, and Bobby Abreu walk as well. I mean, Pettitte could come back for $7-$8M (again, not happening) but that’s extremely unlikely. I also wouldn’t count on Mussina having the same seaon he had again—1 year/$9M if it could be done. I shudder to see Giambi next year. Abreu back on arbitration wouldn’t be a sin but he wouldn’t do it, and I also shudder to see him in 2011 on a multi-year contract.

I would also leave Coke and Sanchez in the bullpen (where they ultimately belong), try to deal Melky Cabrera for a bag of balls, and I wouldn’t be opposed to trading Kennedy or Jackson in the right deal (Gonzales? Holliday? Likely not happening without Hughes though…). And I don’t care what I would get back for Hideki Matsui—just get him out of here for something! I think one of Matsui or Damon ought to be moved before the start of the season, and Damon could fetch a nice bounty (Stubbs and Bailey while eating, say, $5M?). Though Damon could help this team more, so he should stay.

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by Pablo Zevallos on Oct 7, 2025 6:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

haha

Damon fatching Stubbs and Bailey.

Now that’s a good one.

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by doublestix on Oct 7, 2025 7:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Agreed

Why exactly does Walt Jocketty want Damon? I am thinking he would rather continue building a team of youngsters.

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by King Billy Royal on Oct 7, 2025 7:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

still though

the Reds and Jocketty in recent years havn’t exactly been the pillar of intellegent baseball moves. AND they actually gave Bill Bavasi a baseball related job.

by RollingWave on Oct 7, 2025 9:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Ummmm

This is Jocketty’s first year as GM of the Reds. What bad deals did he do exactly? I might point out that he isn’t the one that hired Baker so please don’t blame him for that. Jocketty is a proven winner and helped keep the Cardinals as a perenial contender.

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by King Billy Royal on Oct 7, 2025 11:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Jocketty

Walt Jocketty is probably one of the top 5 GM’s in the game (Theo, Beane, Cash, Ken Williams/Andrew Friedman??? - this would have gone to Schuerholz/Ryan). In recent years, Walt Jocketty has won 2 pennants and a World Series.

The Reds have also, on balance, made good moves over the last 3-4 seasons (Hiring Dusty for a young team and the way they handled the Krivsky firing being major mistakes, in addition to the Kearns/Lopez/Bray deal). Bavasi is a terrific scout. I don’t see the trouble here.

by GuyinNY on Oct 8, 2025 10:10 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Bavasi is a terrific scout

So he traded for Horacio Ramirez sight unseen, then?

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by PaulThomas on Oct 8, 2025 3:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Paging Brian Sabean... Again

There are always Giants-Yankees rumors for a reason. The Giants seem intent on keeping their best young pitchers while adding offense, even if it’s old and expensive. The Yankees won’t get a whole lot back, but they can unload Matsui or Damon. As for Stubbs and Bailey… maybe if the Yankees threw in the deed to the Queensboro Bridge.

by aap212 on Oct 7, 2025 8:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I agree that Damon

who has a 1 year 13 mil contract and is still a productive leadoff hitter who could play a good LF could get you something decent back.. but i cant imagine the reds just selling that low on Bailey…. but maybe a low level version of bailey.. hard thrower who has CTL issues?

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by jbluestone on Oct 7, 2025 7:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I understand

but I just don’t see how (even if) they’re showing that he’s in their plans.

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by Pablo Zevallos on Oct 7, 2025 8:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

also

remember that I am hypothetically throwing $5M, which gives me a better player back. So you’re trading one of the better left fielders in the game with a 1-year, $8M contract, for what are B and B+ prospects

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by Pablo Zevallos on Oct 7, 2025 8:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I dont think the reds

Consider Bailey a B,B+ prospect…. i think they consider him a valuable arm who could be a frontline starting pitcher who is very young.

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by jbluestone on Oct 7, 2025 9:28 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Offseason Plan

1) Don’t offer arb. to Giambi or Pudge unless they agree beforehand that they will decline. (I don’t see Pudge doing it, but considering their history, Giambi might.)
2) Offer arb. to Abreu, Pettitte, and Mussina.
3) Let Pavano, Ponson, etc. walk
4) Pick up Damaso Marte’s option; check out trade posibilities but unless a great deal comes up, keep him; he’ll still be a Type A next year most likely
5) Clearly check out the 1B trade options, but settle for signing Tex.
6) Give CC what he wants and then some.
7) Leave the pen alone (once again, unless a decent trade comes along.)
8) Have Gardner face Jackson and Melky for centerfield with Gardner clearly the favorite.
9) Put Damon in left, Nady in right.
10) Trade Hideki Matsui to Mets? DH platoon with Juan Miranda/lefty masher? I don’t know.
11) If Mussina and Pettite don’t come back, look at Lowe? Trade option? (Heilman’s value is low and he wants to start. Paul Byrd is a FA and is a decent one year deal guy.)
12) Joba to start all year with guys like Aceves/Giese taking occasional starts
13) Have the rookies are the rehab guys fight for #5

Rotation:
CC-Wang-Joba-Moose/Pettitte/Lowe/Trade/FA-Hughes/Kennedy/Aceves/Milton/Zambrano

Bullpen:
Rivera, Ramirez, Veras, Bruney, Marte (unless they want him to start) with some combination of David Robertson, Alfredo Aceves, Dan Giese, Mark Melancon, Chris Britton, JB Cox, Phil Coke, Humberto Sanchez. This bullpen is excellent w/o Joba. Cheap too.

C-Posada 1B-Tex 2B-Cano SS-Jeter- 3B-ARod LF-Damon CF-Gardner RF-Nady DH-Miranda/Lefty

*If they can get an great starter for Cano, consider it of course.

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by hallofamer2000 on Oct 7, 2025 9:38 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Oh yeah

Bench:
C-Molina
IF-Ransom/general versatile utility man
IF-Betemit
OF-FA (Endy Chavez?)
OF-Christian?
-That’s a lousy bench. I’m sure they can sign/trade for someone decent (Stairs?)

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by hallofamer2000 on Oct 7, 2025 9:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I don't see

why you would keep both Ransom and Betemit—pick one. you only need a 4 man bench. chavez and christian are basically the same player as well.

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by Pablo Zevallos on Oct 7, 2025 9:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Endy

There is no better defensive outfielder in the game. None. He’d probably be a good player as a starter on the strength of his glove alone.

by GuyinNY on Oct 8, 2025 10:12 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

CC wants to play on the westcoast

thats pretty big of you to give him that and then some… what will you do, buy him a car? A house?

by dogdays on Oct 8, 2025 1:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

without reading through the other posts

pitching, pitching, pitching….this team needed a late career surge from mike mussina to not have their starting rotation as pure crap…rivera had one of the top seasons of his career, but even joba was inconsistent getting to rivera….

the team needs some major inning eaters, so i’d say CC would be target #1….other than that, they need to STAY AWAY from guys like burnett and sheets…..those guys who seem to break down now and then elsewhere have had a recent history of breaking down badly in NYC….however, that said, if the angels don’t pick up lackey’s option and the yankees don’t strongly pursue him, they’d be crazy….another thought would be to add derek lowe to be an inning eater #3-4 type….

for the pen, instead of spending so much money on veterans, go the route that so many have found success with…break in your young fire-balling arms by giving them roles in the pen….joba worked well in that role, and really struggled when he was bounced around in his role….that said, if you can land wood, krod, or fuentes, they’d be gun arms to have with rivera (who’s also a free agent)

on offense, there’s just no speed left….a-rod is easily the team’s most natural base stealer….abreu is a free agent and it likely wouldn’t hurt to let him walk in favor of finding some speed….the problem is that there’s not much out there for speed available…the other issue the yanks found this year was that they have a lot of good guys on the stat sheet at the end of the year, but not a lot of guys who have a nose for the dramatic (xavier nady was a brilliant pickup, but who knows if they’ll keep him)…..i’d say that it would not be out of the realm of need to grab a manny, adam dunn, vlad, or raul ibanez….if they look at 1b, i wonder if they’d pursue tex or go for the cheaper and nearly equally productive ibanez….

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by biggentleben on Oct 7, 2025 9:46 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Spend Spend Spend

With over 80 million coming off the books and a new cashcow of a stadium, money will be no object. With that said, I sign Sabathia (23 mil per year, 6yrs), Texiera (20 mil per, 6yrs), Orlando Hudson (6 or 7 mil per, 2 or 3yrs) and Orlando Cabrera (10 mil per, 2 or 3yrs) for average yearly salaries that would total about 60 million between them all. I also resign Moose for a 1 year deal worth about 12 mil.
Then i trade San Diego a package centered on Cano, Hughes for Peavy, who costs 11 mil in 09. You may have to include a little more, but not too much and it seems realistic that this could get the deal done. I then trade Matsui and eat about 7 mil of his salary, as mentioned in previous posts, for a servicable middle reliever( for arguements sake, lets say one that will make 2 mil in 09). Texas should certainly have one of their catchers available and Laird probably makesthe most sense to the Yankees and can probably be had for the cheapest package, so it would be smart to trade for him as well. I also, have no idea what the market is on Rocco Baldelli, but if I could get him for 3 years at 5 mil per, I would take the chance.
Assuming that Baldelli is signed, at this point all the wheeling and dealing will cost the team about 90 million.
Most important in all this is that Derek Jeter will be moving to the OF. I would hope that he has the skills to be a good CF, but if not he should certainly make an above average RF.

The opening day team would look like this:
C Laird
1st Texiera
2nd Hudson
3rd A-rod
SS Cabrera
LF Damon
CF Jeter/Baldelli/Melky
RF Jeter/Baldelli//Nady
DH Posada/Nady

SP Sabathia
SP Peavy
SP Wang
SP Mussina
SP Chamberlain

The team would end up with the best starting rotation in baseball, arguably the best Infield defense and depending on Jeter’s acclamation and Baldelli’s health, potentially great OF defense. A-rod and Tex are the only mashers, but eveyone else is above average offensively for their position. Looks like an one hundred win team to me.

by wolviex18 on Oct 7, 2025 9:48 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Orlando Hudson

should cost about 10MM a year

1941 .406

by FrozenTed9 on Oct 7, 2025 11:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Baldelli can't be counted on

He has a condition that makes the most basic work habits of a baseball player nearly impossible to maintain for any meaningful length of time without injury. I feel for the guy, and he’s extremely talented, but I wouldn’t count on him even slightly. And good luck getting Jeter to move.

by aap212 on Oct 8, 2025 2:07 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Well

I cant argue with your take on Baldelli, he was more of a lets take a chance guy. As for Jeter, MAKE him to move, the dude cares way too much about his reputation to make a huge deal about it, and his defense is absolutely killing the Yankees.

by wolviex18 on Oct 8, 2025 5:23 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Actually, and weirdly, Jeter's defense appears to be improving as his career goes on

He was horrific from 1996-2003 or so, but he’s been only somewhat below average from 2004-now.

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by PaulThomas on Oct 8, 2025 3:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Or the other SS are getting worse

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by WaddellCanseco on Oct 12, 2025 7:16 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I think a general move that has to be seriously made

Damon as the CF for most of 09.

there’s not a ton of other options, for one, expecting Damon to pull another 08/06 instead of a 07 is fairly unrealistic, if he does a 06/08 he’s somewhat worth his doe at the corner, but if not then he’s below average. at CF though that’s still good enough.

I’d do

sign: Teix / CC / Manny
re-sign: Mussina and/or Pettitte if they agree to 1 year or discount deals. if not then try to look at some of the second tier pitcher.

pray: Jorge Posada stays healthy.

preferable end result

Damon: CF
Jeter: SS
Teix : 1b
A-rod: 3b
Manny: LF / DH
Matsui : LF/DH
Jorge: C
Nady : RF
Cano: 2B

Rotation

CC, Wang , Joba , Moose, Pettitte (with Huges / Aceves / IPK etc as backups)

Bullpen: this year’s Mo and then try to find gems in your kids / journeyman idea worked out quiet well… the only two bombs they got were Hawkins and Ohlendorf and they cut ties quickly enough. bullpen is due for some regression but with this year’s approach they’d be in a much better position to make adjustments.

Bench: open to manuver, though I guess at the moment I’d pencil in Melky / Molina / Betemit

thoughts on trades : Cano for Peavy: ehh.. i’m mixed. strait up probably yes, though with CC / Wang / Peavy as your playoff rotation your just asking to get burned (all 3 have been either bad or REALLY bad in their limited playoff appearnces).. hey let’s throw in Javier Vazquez while we’re at it ;) and in general the Yankees still need to look for guys that can keep their payroll down, Peavy’s pay after 09 isn’t exactly cheap either.

by RollingWave on Oct 7, 2025 10:05 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

i forgot to add

with this sort of mix, the payroll seems slightly higher than 08. if they plan on cutting Payroll then the manuvers need to change quiet a bit.

by RollingWave on Oct 7, 2025 10:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Is all this possible?

I’m not entirely sure all of these guys are available, so feel free to correct me on any of these. The biggest problem facing the Yankees is an old roster and little depth. I’m focusing on roster/positional flexibility so that if an old guy goes down, there’s one or two players that can fill in for any length of time.

Offer CC 6 years, $138 mm. ($23 / year). If he turns it down, offer Derek Lowe 3 years, $18 mm and Ryan Dempster 4 years, $30 mm. If CC takes it, offer Mussina at 1 year, $8 mm. And give Pettite 1 year, $10 mm.

I’m counting on one of Hughes or Kennedy to be healthy and perform well enough to be a #5. The guy that doesn’t make it will be waiting in the wings in case anybody gets hurt.

Joba stays in the pen all year to build up his innings until he’s physically conditioned to move to the rotation full time in ’10 or ’11.

Cano, Jeter and ARod all have salaries too high to be traded. They just need to play better.

I would offer Nady to the Rockies for Taylor Buchholz. Nady can move to LF and allow the Rox to trade Holliday.

Sign Vlad Guerrero for 4 years, $36 mm to play RF. Sign Carl Crawford for 4 years, $36 mm. Package Melky Cabrera and Damon to the Phillies for Ryan Madson. They get a pair of OF to help offset the loss of Burrell, or it helps them hedge against regression from Werth. Or send Damon & Cabrera to the Cardinals for Ryan Franklin. Vlad plays RF. Crawford plays LF. Matsui gets ABs as DH or in LF, Gardner plays CF if Crawford can’t, or is 4th OF.

For a complete lack of a better option, buy out Giambi and bring him back for 2 years, $15 mm.

Sign Barajas as a backup catcher for 1 year, $1 mm. Re-sign Damaso Marte or go after Craig Breslow if the Twins cut him.

So if CC takes the money, here’s the rotation:
Wang, CC, Pettite, Mussina, Hughes/Kennedy

If CC goes elsewhere:
Wang, Dempster, Lowe, Pettite, Hughes/Kennedy

Lineup and positions:
LF - Crawford
SS - Jeter
3B - ARod
RF - Vlad
C - Posada
1B - Giambi
DH - Matsui
2B - Cano
CF - Gardner

Bullpen:
Rivera, Buchholz, Franklin/Madson, Joba, Marte/Breslow.

Bench:
Barajas, Betemit, Cesar Izturis.

That leaves 3 spots for bullpen or bench guys.

Payroll drops by $80 mm from expiring contracts, and this plan adds $56 mm. So there’s some flexibility built in here to go out and add another big bat. But basically this is it.

by lenred on Oct 7, 2025 10:22 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

free agents

Vald and Crawford are not free agents. Their clubs hold options on them that will in all probability be picked up.

by wolviex18 on Oct 7, 2025 10:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I do not see almost any of this

as even the slightest bit realistic..

lowe is not going to sign for 6 mil per year when carlos silva is getting 12 mil… and signing Ryan Dempster would be a big mistake IMO.

I have no problem with Joba staying in the pen as long as he is used in a similar way to that of how the twins handled Johan.

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by jbluestone on Oct 7, 2025 11:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Agreed

If Loshe just got 4 years/ 41 million then Lowe will be getting at least 3 years for 35 million.

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by King Billy Royal on Oct 7, 2025 11:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Shocking

I’ll be shocked if Lowe doesn’t get a lot more than that. I’d imagine something closer to 4/55.

by Fanon on Oct 8, 2025 12:33 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I could see that. I was just saying that 3 years/18 million is WAY too little.

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by King Billy Royal on Oct 8, 2025 1:48 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

huh?

So you’re saying that a 29 year old Silva, and a 30 year old Lohse getting the contracts they got mean that a 35 year old Lowe should get more? That is counter-intuitive to the studies that show pitchers hit their peak years around 32. Silva and Lohse got stupid contracts, but part of the teams logic had to be that they were going to get better as they approach 32. Lowe, being 35, has to be on the down-side of his career and shouldn’t command a contract similar to either pitcher.

But looking back on what I said, 3 years, $30 mm makes more sense for Lowe.

Obviously, the place I was using for contract references was wrong. Crawford already had his option picked up for 09, and Vlad has one for ’09 that will most likely be picked up.

So, instead of signing Vlad, sign Manny for 4 years, $66 mm. But be ready to offer up to 4 years, $80 mm. (I’m personally not a fan of this, but whatever.)

I’d also go after Jim Edmonds for 1 year, $3 mm as a backup / platoon with Gardner in CF. And since I don’t have Crawford in LF, I go after Ibanez for 3 years, $24 mm and move him to RF.

Lineup:
2B - Cano
SS - Jeter
3B - ARod
LF - Manny
C - Posada
1B - Giambi
DH - Matsui
RF - Ibanez
CF - Gardner / Edmonds

Payroll adds $2 mm to what it was this year.

by lenred on Oct 8, 2025 9:32 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Lowe

3 years, $30 million is way too low for a guy who has made 30+ starts and pitched 180+ innings for the last 7 years, especially when the last four years have all resulted in mid-3.00 ERAs. Studies show lots of things, but Lowe hasn’t shown any sign of slowing down, and has no history of injuries.

by Fanon on Oct 8, 2025 9:57 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Lowe also

pitched in one of the best pitchers’ parks in baseball, in the offensively-challenged NL West. I would wager $1,000 that he wouldn’t put up those numbers in the AL East.

In fact, now that I look at it, I’m not sure I’d give him that much money to move back to the AL East. In 3 years as a starting pitcher in the AL East, he had one year with an ERA under 4.40 - his first as a starter. His second and third years as a starter he had ERA’s of 4.47 and 5.42.

I’d back off this signing and go for Paul Byrd for 1 year $7 mm.

by lenred on Oct 8, 2025 2:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Pitchers parks

don’t weigh very heavily on someone like Lowe and his groundball rate.

by slurve on Oct 8, 2025 2:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

well, im not a big fan of park effects

and here is a quote from Bill James back that up somewhat.


Park data is troubled by the fact that 81 games simply is nowhere near enough to get an accurate read on a park’s effects. 300 games wouldn’t be enough. … the unavoidable fact [is] that we simply do not have enough data to reach reliable conclusions.

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by jbluestone on Oct 8, 2025 8:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Sure

But even factoring that in, he’s put up very good numbers over the last four years, especially for a guy who is likely to be a number two or three wherever he lands. I’d love to have him on my Mets.

by Fanon on Oct 8, 2025 10:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Hey folks

Matsui has full no-trade protection. How do you plan on getting around that?

And I really like the plan to trade for Gerald Laird.

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by grover on Oct 7, 2025 11:37 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

I have already written...

about this on the NY Yankees forum, but I’ll repost this here.

Coming into this season, the rotation should have a good mix of veterans and young players. Bring back Mussina and Pettite for another year, with an option max. Those deals don’t involve shelling out more then $20 million a year for 5-7 years. Make Kennedy, Hughes, Aceves fiight for spots on this team. Don’t go out an make that big free agent deal for a starter. Those deals just simply are too risky, especially for someone like AJ Burnett who is an injury risk, and CC Sabathia who could fold under NY pressure. Stick Chamberlain in the rotation from the opening of spring training. The rotation would go as follows:

1. Wang
2.Mussina
3.Chamberain
4. Pettite
5. Hughes/Kennedy/ Aceves

If and when one of those starters goes down to injury, you have some quality pitchers to go to.

In regards to the lineup, so long Abreu and Giambi. Get rid of Wilson Betemit and his below .300 OBP. Sign Mark Texiera to solidify the defense at first. He is a player in the prime of his career, who can work the count like Abreu, has the pop of Giambi and can be penciled in as the #3 hitter in front of A-Rod. Also go after a backup outfielder who can play defense and is a stolen base threat, perhaps Fernando Tatis. I also believe Rocco Balldeli is a FA this upcoming season, though am unsure. He would be a low risk high reward type player, who can play all OF spots. Add another backup who can hit unlike Betemit. Ransom has pretty good pop in his bat, so the other backup infielder I would try to obtain is someone who can work the count and get clutch hits. Perhaps see if David Eckstein would take a backup role here in NY, if not go after someone like Mark Grudzielanek The lineup would be as folllows:

1B: Mark Texiera
2B: Robinson Cano
3B: Alex Rodriguez
SS: Derek Jeter
CF: Melky Cabrera/Brett Gardner platoon
LF: Johnny Damon
RF: Xavier Nady
DH: Hideki Matsui
C: Jorge Posada

Bench
UTL: Cody Ransom
OF: Rocco Balldeli
C: Jose Molina
INF: David Eckstein

The bullpen should stay as it is. It really has been a strength of the Yankees this season. Rivera, Veras, Ramirez, Coke, Bruney, Sanchez and Robertson

Closer: Mariano Rivera
Setup: Jose Veras
Middle Relief: Brian Bruney
Middle Relief: Edwar Ramirez
Middle Relief: Phil Coke
Long Relief: David Robertson
Long Relief: Humberto Sanchez

by MartyMcFly on Oct 7, 2025 11:53 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Also...

If Pettite, who I think is closer to retiring then Mussina decides to leave, I would go after Derek Lowe or Jamie Moyer. These are pitchers who would not require a large commitment to, can be considered stop gaps in order to filter out which starting pitchers can come through the system.

by MartyMcFly on Oct 8, 2025 12:01 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Just to throw an idea out there

If the Tigers do need to trim their payroll, make a push for Mags while taking Dontrelle’s contract as an extra incentive for the Tigers.

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by grover on Oct 8, 2025 1:40 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Realistically, if the Tigers could arrange some kind of quid-pro-quo waiver claim, where New York took on the whole contracts

they probably would be well advised to do that deal even if they got nothing at all in return. Cuts payroll down to a reasonable level instantly and gives them a lot more flexibility to work to improve the team.

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by PaulThomas on Oct 8, 2025 2:05 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I disagree

Out of curiosity, who exactly do you think the Tigers will get using that extra money that will be better than Miguel Cabrera alone, even if Dontrelle Willis continues to be terrible (not a certainty, though it is likely)? What is a “reasonable level” for the payroll to be, and why do you assume that the Tigers feel that they are not at it right now? And wouldn’t Miguel Cabrera do a lot more to improve the team than an increase in flexibility?

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by OldProspects on Oct 8, 2025 10:14 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Maggs

He meant Maggs. That having been said, I think your statement still applies. He’s only got about a year left on his deal…

by GuyinNY on Oct 8, 2025 10:16 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

You're right

I apologize.

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by OldProspects on Oct 8, 2025 10:20 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

If they've been mandated to trim down to $100M or so

I can think of a lot worse ways to do it than by losing only Ordonez and Willis.

Obviously, like any salary dump, it makes little sense if you aren’t trying to, you know, dump salaries.

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by PaulThomas on Oct 8, 2025 3:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I misread your post - I apologize

I thought you said Miguel Cabrera, not Magglio Ordonez

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by OldProspects on Oct 8, 2025 5:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Melky

I don’t know why you all have Melky penciled into start, I think he is a career back up at best.

What about Gardner I hear the Yanks are high on him.

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by Love Twins on Oct 8, 2025 8:50 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

if anything

Gardner is even less likely to be a starter than Cabrera. who at least have shown some pop at times (like belting 6 HR in the span of the one month this year) and still have age on his side.

Gardner profile even more as a backup. though he’s likely to be a better one, with great speed and showed good OBP in the minors , the biggest problem is that he’s power level seems to be barely better than Juan Pierre.

Unless he shows that he can translate his minor league OBP to the majors (unlikely due to lack of power) he’s not a starter.

by RollingWave on Oct 8, 2025 10:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

The 2009 New York Yankees

The Yankees want to win now, as their moving into a new Stadium. As such, it behooves them to move towards veteran players who are more likely to produce. The biggest question for the 2009 New York Yankees is how viable Jorge Posada is at catcher. Posada has already had this surgery before and rebounded successfully, but most people close to the team do not think he’ll ever be able to be a full time starting catcher again. Keeping this in mind, I’d make the following moves :

C - Offer Pudge Arbitration. If he doesn’t resign, push for Varitek, Barajas, and Valentin in that order. See if a player like Kelly Shoppach is available via trade.
1B - Jorge Posada
2B - Robinson Cano
SS - Derek Jeter. Attempt having THAT conversation this winter. It likely won’t work, but at least try to get him to play a day in LF or 1B here an there.
3B - Alex Rodriguez. Quietly, entertain offers for A-Rod. I wouldn’t be shocked if a team (LAD?) would be willing to give an arm and a leg to add him, and a Loney/Broxton/Kershaw package would be very, very useful to the Yankees and would net an improvement in 2009, particularly in terms of the salary freed up. Salary would need to be eaten.
RF - Baldelli. Offer Abreu arby. Hope he declines and be ready to make a major, major push on Rocco Baldelli in any event. Question : Does anybody know if Baldelli can still hold up playing CF? Please also place a call to the San Diego Padres regarding a Mr. Brian Giles. Offer 2/21 to Juan Rivera and see if he bites. If he does, Baldelli to CF. Explore the Maggs idea postulated above.
CF - Melky Cabrera/Gardner. They are holding the fort for Jackson, and it would be imprudent to deal for a CF, unless a very good one year stop gap could be found. I’d move Damon here, but playing CF on a daily basis greatly hampers his effectiveness.
LF/DH- Hideki Matsui if he could handle the grind. Otherwise, Manny Ramirez at 4/75.

Try and trade Johnny Damon and Xavier Nady for prospects, who can then be flipped for a mega stick, hopefully at RF or C. Please note that I’d consider moving Robinson Cano to CF and signing Orlando Hudson, assuming it isn’t too cost prohibitive and Cano shows the chops to play CF. This team needs to get better in the field.

Bench :
UT : Nomar - 1 year deal with an option. Versatility with a starting level bat.
UT : Betemit - Still versatile, still loaded with talent.
C : Jose Molina. Pitchers love him.
OF : Endy Chavez
1B : See if Moises Alou or Frank Thomas can be kept from retiring.

Pitching:
Rotation : C.C. Sabathia (whatever the market holds)- Joba - Wang - Pettitte (if he’ll accept a 1yr/12M deal)/Derek Lowe(3/43M) - Moose (if he’ll accept 2/30M)/Hughes
Bullpen - Rivera-Kerry Wood (2/27M)-Juan Cruz (3/21)-Fuentes (2/23)-Edwar-Kennedy-Coke/Sanchez/Whelan/Cox

You ask yourselves, “But GuyinNY, you still have roughly 20M left over! And the Steinbrenners want to win now! How could you possibly justify this to them?”… My reply? That pitching staff is contingent on this deal NOT happening, but not for lack of effort :
NYY : Austin Romine + Andrew Brackman to the SFG for Tim Lincecum and the ENTIRETY of Barry Zito’s contract. If acquired, Lincecum slots in as the no.2 behind CC Sabathia. Zito moves to the pen after losing out on the no.5 job in ST.
If this deal doesn’t happen, the Yankees having 20M kicking around to go buy whomever they need on a 1 year (Maggs?) or to address their needs at the deadline.

I still have faith in the core of the Yankee offense, and in particular, the successful rehabilitation of the bats of Jorge Posada and Hideki Matsui. Greatly upgrading the defense and pitching will be just the tonic to get the Yankees into the postseason, and this is a team which would thrive in that situation.

by GuyinNY on Oct 8, 2025 10:48 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Getting rid of Zito

Isn’t as amazing as you might think. You don’t give up once in a generation talent to get rid of a bad contract, no matter how bad it is. That is an epically awful comment, even on the internet.

Most of this post is terrible. Giles is a FA. And how the hell would you sign Endy Chavez? He’s under Mets control.

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by future on Oct 8, 2025 12:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

+1

The Giants are not trading Timmy for two mediocre prospects. I don’t care if they add in Zito’s contract, the Statue of Liberty, and old Yankee Stadium. Timmy is under control for 4 more years so you better believe that now is not the time to deal him.

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by King Billy Royal on Oct 8, 2025 1:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Dude...

That’s over 100 million dollars over the next 4 years. 100 million that they are going to deeply regret everyday. You can build quite a ball club with 25 million extra laying around every year. I love ya Timmy, but enjoy the big apple. I don’t think it would ever happen, but if I was the Giants, I’d have to look at it long and hard.

by slurve on Oct 8, 2025 2:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

4 years?

Actually Zito has 5 years left on his deal plus an option year that must either be excercised or bought out. His contract is worth 126 million over 7 years (18 million per season). I’m not so sure where you get that 100 million dollar figure over 4 years. He earns 18.5 million per season between 2009-2011, 19 million in 2012, 20 million in 2013, and a 7 million buyout for his 2014 option. All told that is 101.5 million over 6 years. If you do the math it is 16.92 million per season, which is much lower then the 25 million you were hoping to gain. Is Timmy worth hanging onto an 16.92 million per season? I would think so.

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by King Billy Royal on Oct 8, 2025 7:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I concur

Look at it this way: if Johan Santana is worth $20 million+ per, is Tim Lincecum worth $17 million per? I say most definitely, especially considering that Zito might have a bit of upside left in him, or at least could just get injured and get the Giants some insurance money.

by Fanon on Oct 8, 2025 10:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Exactly

Invert their salaries, so that Lincecum is making $17 million plus whatever pittance he gets paid over the next 5 years, and Zito is making league minimum as the #5 starter, and suddenly that looks like a damn good start to a rotation.

Besides, I half-expect Zito to go off the rails mentally and retire within a few years anyway.

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by PaulThomas on Oct 9, 2025 2:20 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Mr. Thomas

I am amazed we actually agreed on something. Also, I think I just saw a pig fly past my window.

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by King Billy Royal on Oct 9, 2025 4:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

haha

yeah thats the most random part of the whole thing, WHERE THE HELL DID ENDY COME FROM?

by robcast23 on Oct 8, 2025 2:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

This entire post is a joke right? I mean even down to the bench, you’re suggest Alou or Thomas for 1b? CC + Zito?

And that package for Arod is absurd. No one is going to surrender that kind of talent and be on the hook for 300 million.

Im still laughing over that lincecum proposal, you have to be stupid or completely pig headed to believe that is even remotely possible.

by Kenan and Kel on Oct 8, 2025 2:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Ease up people

Step away from the keyboard. Now breathe. Nice and slow.

It’s the worst contract in the history of baseball. It would hurt to lose Lincecum, but 100 million is a 100 million.

by slurve on Oct 8, 2025 2:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Cano

Cano is a pretty slow dude, I don’t know why you think he could play center.

by Fanon on Oct 8, 2025 10:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

ummm guy

that is crazy… i quote the great movie Billy madison

“Mr. GuyinNY, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”

:-)

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by jbluestone on Oct 8, 2025 10:58 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

I would

Sign Tex and Oliver Perez and a few relievers like Juan Cruz and/or Brandon Lyon. Re-sign Marte. Let Giambi, Abreu, Pettitte and Mussina walk. I’d look for deals for Damon and Matsui, but I don’t see much of a market out there. I wouldn’t sell low on Melky or Cano - give em a chance to turn it around.

I’d tinker. I wouldn’t make wholesale changes. Fact is, this team won 88 games last year and shouldn’t be that far from competing for a division next year with some minor changes.

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by RoyalsRetro on Oct 8, 2025 2:23 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

word out of NY:

-abreu will not be back
-nady is here to stay and replace abreu and is a lock to play everyday in right
-matsui can no longer play OF
-melky is no longer considered an everyday player and will start ‘09 in AAA, longterm 4th OF/injury fillin
-damon can’t play center
-theres no way they will give CF to gardner
-pettitte will be back
-mussina may retire and they probably don’t bring him back anyway
-posada will be the “everyday” catcher but will be rested much more frequently
-cano “hasn’t been a disappointment” yet word is that hes already being shopped
-they want not 1 but 2 of the premium free agents SPs
-joba starts ’09 in the pen

the fallout:

that leaves you with nady in right, nobody in center (im thinking they sign mark kotsay to hold the spot for a. jackson, less likely options are trading for g. matthews or sign cameron if brewers let him go) and damon in right.

matsui will be the DH but will see a split with posada on days when he doesn’t/can’t catch (which will happen more and more often as the year goes on and he again shows that he can barely even throw back to the pitcher). by next year matsui’s contract is done and posada is the fulltime DH until he retires.

they will go after teixeira at first, probably get him but if not they go after dunn and i could even see pat burrell but i’m going way on a limb for that one.

theres a real chance they trade cano but i don’t see any good matches because they will paint cano as a slick fielding, perennial .340, 20hr, middle of the order guy when he actually isn’t any of that. ny media has pitched a straight trade of cano for mclouth, which obviously won’t happen (why not trade for pujols instead?) frankly the yankees will just want too much for a player who is expensive and just isn’t all that great. so he’ll be back.

obviously jeter and arod on the left side.

i would be shocked if they don’t sign CC, and even more shocked if they don’t get burnett. i’d say burnett is almost a sure thing at this point. that leaves you with CC, burnett, pettitte, wang and #5. could be anyone but i’m betting hes from within the org. based on who has the hot spring (kennedy, giese, mccutchen, rasner, etc.) as for joba i bet he has the same year that he had in ’08, moving to the rotation midway through based on injury (probably burnetts injury)

in the bullpen, you’ll have joba, edwar, veras, lots more of bruney and phil coke, eventually robertson and they probably bring back marte. and obviously mariano.

by robcast23 on Oct 8, 2025 3:12 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

What about

Gary Matthews Jr? Is he now going ot be the full time starter in the outfield, or is he still going to play the bench. Considering how sporadically he has been playing it wouldn’t cost you an arm and a leg in terms of prospects. Perhaps one good prospect or two mid level ones.

Also, I have read in Pinstripe Alley that Cashman has stated Joba is starting the year in the rotation I like the move and think its smart. History has shown us that giving big money contracts to pitchers hurts you towards the middle and the end of the contract. You really think the Giants aren’t regretting signing Barry Zito to that mega contract? What about that Mike Hampton deal a couple years back? It just doesn’t work out in the end, and the majority of pitchers in the league are not worth a lock of 6-7 years, or even 5. I really hope the Yanks don’t make the mistake and go after CC, Burnett or Shields. Texiera however is another story, and would make perfect sense for the Yankees.

Also, in response to robcast, I haven’t heard any rumors in NY that the Yanks are wating to trade Cano. If the Yankees would bring back Melky and give him another chance, why would you sell Cano when he is at a low point in his value? Bring him back, towards the end of the season he modified his batting stance and turned it around.

by MartyMcFly on Oct 8, 2025 6:32 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Matthews

A good prospect or two mid-level ones? He was awful this year. Guys in their mid-thirties getting paid $11 million per and putting up lines of .242/.319/.357 are free for whoever wants them, and I don’t know why the Yankees would give him the everyday centerfield job and not give it to a Gardner/Christian platoon, when they’re likely to produce at about the same level. And Gardner’s defense is probably better than Matthews’ at this point.

by Fanon on Oct 8, 2025 10:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I think Matthews is a good answer for a team like NYY

I don’t think you’d have to give up any good prospects to get him so long as you ate the cash.

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by RoyalsRetro on Oct 9, 2025 11:46 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Exactly

Its a stop gap, and still you can platoon with Matthews out in center. For a low level prospect, you receive a player who though is past his prime still plays some quality defense and is a better stick then Gardner and Cabrera and allows you to develop both of them

by MartyMcFly on Oct 10, 2025 8:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

not sure about this

Matthews Jr. Career

.259/.333/.412 and he was worse than that this year.

Brett Gardner

.296/.414/.422 in AAA and since his recall august 15th batted .294/.333/.412 which aligns well wtih his AAA numbers aside from OBP.

Fact is Garnder has shown to be capable of putting up numbers that are similar to Gary Matthews Jr. was a +5 this year in CF, but was -24 last year.. gardner was +6 this year in CF.

Id rather take my chances with Gardner.

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by jbluestone on Oct 10, 2025 9:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Patience is a virtue for '09 Rotation

SP
1 - CC Sabathia - have cash, must spend
2 - C. Wang - not an ace but definitely an elite #2
3 - A. Pettitte - a very good #3
4 - M. Mussina - at age 39, put up some excellent #’s
5 - P. Hughes - he is the real deal just needs to THS (trust his stuff)
R - I. Kennedy - see previous comments

Notes: the addition of CC and a healthy Wang makes this staff one of the best. A good mixture of veterans and youth should round out the rotation nice. Cashman gets the last laugh as Kennedy and Hughes prove that they are better than ’08 and will produce similarly to Pelfrey did for the Mets.

by bryeic on Oct 8, 2025 7:31 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Cleaning out the attic in the OF

OF

LF - Johnny Damon - a healthy Damon had one of his best season
CF - Nate McClouth - Andrew McCuthcen makes him available for the right price
RF - Hidecki Matsui - Platoons with Nady, Damon and Posada at DH/RF/LF
RF - Xavier Nady - An underrated OF, also platoons with Damon and Matsui and protects the Yankees lefty bats
OF - M. Cabrera - Battles with Garnder as a 5th OF
OF - B. Gardner - Long shot but could be a nice 5th OF

Notes: The Yankees should let Abreu walk and pursue a small franchise such as Pittsburgh to get a young stud OF like Nate McClouth which will add some excitement back to NY’s OF crew. Damon is still an above average LF giving them a good 1-2 punch with McClouth and a healthy Matsui will add some clutch hitting to lineup that never seemed to get a clutch hit in 2008.. Nady in RF/LF will help protect the heavy left-handed lineup and Cabrera and Gardner willduke it out for the last spot and add some speed and defense on the bench which has been lacking for many years. Overall, a very nice OF that is improved through the addition of Nate McClouth.

by bryeic on Oct 8, 2025 7:50 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

McLouth is a crappy center fielder

He belongs in a corner yesterday. Wouldn’t solve the outfield problems any more than sticking Nady out there would.

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by PaulThomas on Oct 9, 2025 2:18 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Yeah, sadly this obsession with McLouth

I think can be traced back to Mike Francesa’s love affair with him, hes always wanting the yankees to trade for him.

Hes at -20 plays compared to expected which ranks as 36th CF in baseball.

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by jbluestone on Oct 9, 2025 11:18 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Cano must go

IF

1B - M Texiera - will join the bandwagon and say lets spend some cash and weaken or rivals in the process.
2B - O. Cabrera - the “O-Dog” defense will add 5 wins to the Yanks and make Wang a happy man.
SS - D. Jeter - aging with class, he’s ready to take the Yankees on another WS run
3B - A-Rod - the centerpiece of the offense is improved with Texiera batting behind him.
C - J. Posada - a healthy Posada handling a 100 catching games would be a huge plus
C - J. Molina - best back-up catcher in the game, gives Yankees added security if Posada can only DH
UT - W. Betemit - still think he has some upside left in him
CI - E. Duncan - would like to see him in the MLB as depth @ 1B/3B

Notes - Trading Cano for minor leagurs or other talent and signing O-Dog and Mark Texiera will make a very shaky right side of the IF in 2008 and transform it to the best in baseball. Again, we are asking the Yankees to spend on O-Dog and Texiera which the Yankees have shown a propensity to do. The results are probably the best IF money can buy in the MLB.

by bryeic on Oct 8, 2025 8:01 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Wang

I have Wang in my keeper league so I pray they sign O-Dawg, and Texiera.

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by King Billy Royal on Oct 8, 2025 8:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

since when is Orlando Cabrera

O-dog? Isnt Orlando Hudson O-dog?

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by jbluestone on Oct 9, 2025 11:18 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

You are correct

When he stated O-Dawg under 2B I just assumed him meant hudson. I am guessing that is his intention.

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by King Billy Royal on Oct 9, 2025 12:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Once again...

Why would the Yanks sell so low on Cano? They wouldn’t nearly get enough value for what he is trully worth. I still don’t understand why people are writing him off after one bad year, thinking that he is done as the Yanks 2B. What affected him more then anything this year was the loss of Larry Bowa. He supposedly lit a fire under his butt previous seasons, and made him into the player we thought was worth a long term investment. Once again, if his mind is right, and I believe it will be coming into this season, he will have a bounceback year and be an All Star candidate.

by MartyMcFly on Oct 8, 2025 8:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Prefer O-Dog

Noone is down on Cano ,,, just looking to win a WS!!!

Pitching and defense win championships … O-Dog will provide an equal bat with much better D.

by bryeic on Oct 8, 2025 10:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

well heres the thing

Orlando hudson is a more “professional hitter” right now then Cano.

But Cano had OPS+ of 120+ the past 2 seasons, before dropping to around 90 this year, which I think we all agree has to be an abberation given the fact hes proven 120+ ops+ over 320 games. Orlando Hudson has an OPS+ the past 3 years at around 105.

Cano is 25 years old, and in all fairness, cano was +17 on the +/- system in 2007 before having a horrible 2008.. And in 2006 he was -4 which is about average…. this year he was -16.

So if Cano is really capable of +16 hes one of the top defenders at 2nd Base (he wast 5th according to that system in 2007).

A 2nd baseman who has an OPS+ of 120 (and he has room for growth given his age), who can be a top 5 defensive 2nd baseman… is very valuable.

The question here is.. which year is the abberation the +17 or the -16…. given that we probably all agree this was in general an off year for him.. Im gonna lean toward hes somewhere between average and top 5.

The only reason I would consider trading him is because you could potentially get a talented arm back, and replace him with a more reliable and more steady player in an O-DOG… and I also happen to really like Mark Ellis (+26 defensively, has better bat skills then people realize).

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by jbluestone on Oct 9, 2025 11:26 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I think people are

mad about his “lack of hustle, effort”

Truth is Cano hit .290+ since may 1st.

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by jbluestone on Oct 8, 2025 9:42 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

well I'm a yankee fan

but i believe the numbers speak for themselves.

1) this year… Pedroia kicks cano up and down the field like 1000 times..

But lets assume that each player is as good as their best years.

Robinson Cano has the following OPS+

2005 - 106
2006 - 126
2007 - 120
2008 - 88

Pedroia
2006 - 42 (i want to throw this out because its only 31 games)
2007 - 112
2008 - 123

Defense (starts at 2006 cause +/- is only available past 3 years.
Cano
2006 - -4
2007 - +17
2008 - -16

Pedroia
2006 - -1
2007 - -5
2008 - +15

So Lets assume that Pedroia is at least as good as his 2008 season and Cano is as good as his 2006, 2007 seasons.

You have cano who had a 120+ OPS+ and Pedroia who had 120+ OPS + so as hitters dead even
You have Cano who has shown +17 ability at 2nd base and Pedroia who had +15 at 2nd base… also dead even.

So assuming both players are as good as the best skills they have shown they are dead even.

The difference is that pedroia has done this during the current year while Cano had a horrible year… but looking foward the demonstrated (owned) skills are very identical.

I do not see evidence to anything other then they are both very good players… who have shown nearly identical overall skills.

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by jbluestone on Oct 9, 2025 11:35 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Cano still hasn’t reached his ceiling though.

by schmosterballs92 on Oct 10, 2025 3:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

well im a yankee fan and i believ ein cano

but has Pedroia reached his?? In fact pedroia is a year younger.

I agree that Cano’s talent and therefore Ceiling is superior, but its hard right now to claim Cano is better based on what he might be… right now they have both shown a similar level of skills.. where they go from here is yet to be seen.

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by jbluestone on Oct 10, 2025 9:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Pedroia has..

What he did this year was a fluke. It can’t possibly continue with that swing of his. It’s way too large for a man his size and that stride will make him look like a fool eventually. I do’t quite understand why pitchers haven’t killed him yet. Fastball inside, curveball/slider outside will kill him everytime.

by schmosterballs92 on Oct 14, 2025 9:24 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Fluke my ass

When are all of the Pedrioa doubters gonna swallow their pride and just admit the guy can play? I’ve been asking this question since BA left him off the top 100 a few years ago. He walks as much as he strikes out - always has. He has a SUPERB combo of strike zone judgement and contact skills. It’s not like the guy did things this year he has never done in the minors.

by slurve on Oct 14, 2025 10:17 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

+1

With 2 very, very high quality seasons under his belt, it’s time to just accept that Pedroia is for real as a top flight 2b. What I’m not totally sold on is that this season represents his true talent level. I wouldn’t be shocked if Pedroia settled in at something just slightly below this season, though, and that’s still a very good 2b to have.

by GuyinNY on Oct 14, 2025 12:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Sign Tex, do whatever

Tex is the prize this winter get him and damn the torpedos. If you can get Mussina and Pettitte back, do it. Don’t break the bank on Sabathia, but throw some serious cash at him just to make sure someone else signs him to a stupid deal they can’t afford. (If I ran the Yankees, I’d be a dick.) Don’t trade Hughes for Peavy (not that the Pads would necessarily do that).

I like the idea of Cabrera at 2B, but I’m not convinced he’ll be that much better than Cano there. Maybe sign him “because you can” and let the two battle it out. Worse comes worst, you could just “platoon” them defensively, letting Cabrera take Wang’s (and any other GB guy you’ve still got on your staff) games. That said, I see a bigger need at Catcher. Find a real backup whose bat you’d be willing to start 80 games next year because, well, you’re probably going to have to start him for 80 games next year. Sign a real CF and get a decent backup who can play the position “for real” and doesn’t have a god-awful bat. Kotsay’s a decent idea, but I’d also see how much the Angles would give you to take GMJ off their hands. DH isn’t a real problem because you’ll just end up playing Posada, Matsui, and Damon there anyways.

The team was really pretty good last year, and I’m of the opinion that simply filling some of the more obvious gaping holes is all that needs to be done. It is important to recognize, however, that this division is going to be crazy-tough to win for the next few years, and increasing the payroll to $300 million wouldn’t change that.

by mraver on Oct 9, 2025 10:52 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Well the truth is

If jeter would be willing to do it (and this is never gonna happen so its pure fantasy)

I think Jeet would be a very solid CFer.

And then you could sign either an Orlando Cabrera (who is about league average defensively)

Or you could trade for a Jack Wilson or JJ Hardy who among the better defenders at SS and are solid offensive players. Obviously Hardy is the better hitter.

Hardy and Wilson are about 30-40 plays better at SS then Jeter…

If you sign teix (which i completley argee with ) Hes 30-40 plays better then Giambi at 1st.

If cano even moves back to league average or even back to +17 he would be 15-30 plays better at 2nd.

Your IF defense would improve by 75- 110 plays

thats 3-4 games less outs that pitchers have to get (thats HUGE).

Of course thats not gonna happen.

Also OF defense should be much better.. Abreu was -24 last year Nady was -4 (so thats 20 plays)
CF - Damon was -3 this year, Melky was +6 and Gardner was +6…
LF - Damon was +7, Matsui was -2, Melky barely played bu has shown +13 skills in the past.

So the yankee OF with Nady, Gardner and Melky would be your best defensive OF… However, Damon had 25 win shares this year (tied with arod for team lead) and is a solid defensive LFer. So a Platoon of Melky/Gardner would be fine in CF with Damon in LF and Nady in RF, should be a strong defensive OF.

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by jbluestone on Oct 9, 2025 11:47 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

The Jeter to CF ship sailed a long time ago

I agreed with that idea years ago, but it’s too late now. You don’t move a guy to centerfield when he’s entering his age 35 season.

by aap212 on Oct 9, 2025 2:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I agree

I was on board with that, but I agree it’s a bit past its time. They tried that with Biggio, and it didn’t work out very well.

by Fanon on Oct 9, 2025 3:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

well actually

I disagree, jeet is still athletic enough to handle CF, my goal would just be for one year though and then move him to LF, but again, its not happening .

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by jbluestone on Oct 9, 2025 5:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I'd sign all the FA's and not trade prospects.

1) Sign Mark Teixeira for 10 years, $220M

2) Sign CC Sabathia for 7 years, $150M

3) Sign Derek Lowe for 4 years, $60M

4) Sign Ivan Rodriguez for 2 years, $15M

5) Sign Adam Dunn for 6 years, $100M

Live with Melky/Brett in CF for a year and hope Jackson is ready after that.

Results:

LF Damon
SS Jeter
RF Dunn
3B Rodriguez
1B Teixeira
DH Matsui
C Posada
2B Cano
CF Cabrera

P1 Sabathia
P2 Wang
P3 Lowe
P4 Chamberlain
P5 Hughes

RP Rivera
RP Veras
RHP Ramirez
LHP Marte
RHP Kennedy
LHP Coke
RHP Rasner

C Rodriguez
IF Betemit
OF Nady
OF Gardner

FA’s add about $85M/year. Losing Abreu, Giambi, Pavano, Mussina, Pettitte saves about $75M. Some raises to others and you get a payroll increase of about $20M. Easy with the new stadium revenues. You don’t touch the farm.

The defense is fairly decent, with only Jeter and Dunn most likely below average.

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by WaddellCanseco on Oct 13, 2025 12:36 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Signing too many players makes you lose potential prospects.

The Yankees need to build up that weak farm system. We only have a few good position prospects.

by schmosterballs92 on Oct 14, 2025 9:29 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs


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