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A Cub Looks Towards The Future

Ok, you are GM of the Cubs. The good news: you won 97 games and got to the post-season again. You have a strong team...hitting and pitching, pretty well-balanced. But you have to find some way to break the post-season curse. Is that even possible? Or is it all a crapshoot?

What do you do to strengthen this club? Will Fukodome pick up the SLG with another year under his belt? Who are the key players to commit to long-term? What do you do about center field? How does the rotation piece together for 2009 and beyond? And are you happy with the condition of the farm system?

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First of all, you can’t plan on breaking the curse. Although the playoffs aren’t “completely” a crapshoot, they are to an extent. Getting hot/cold at the right/wrong time can make or break a team’s postseason chances. There are only two true “trade chips” in the system that can be used to net top talent while not removing a key player from the big league club are Vitters and Samardzija.

1. The rotation. I don’t see any obvious upgrades, but I’m not liking my odds here. Why? Zambrano and Lilly are rocks. Marquis is inconsistent, he could easily be putting up a 6+ ERA in 2009. But, the Cubs are stuck with him. Harden is Harden, expect the injuries. Marshall and Gaudin provide depth, although Gaudin has struggled greatly post ASB (and these struggles are bad to the point which I suspect that he is hiding an injury). The big “if” factor is Dempster. Exactly how much success has he had as a starter prior to 2008? Quintessentially mediocre relievers don’t turn into top-notch starters overnight. With what he’ll probably be looking for, I don’t resign him and go after someone with a longer track record as a starter (i.e. Jon Garland).

The pen: I’m bringing back Kerry Wood and keeping the pen pretty much as is.

2. The offense. Soriano sticks at LF. Aramis sticks at 3B. Fukudome is pretty much going to stay a Cub. The only thing the Cubs can do about the Fukudome situation IMO is play it out and hold on to Reed Johnson to backup. He should be treated like a prospect, for he wasn’t conditioned to MLB before being signed, and frankly, he needs time to adjust to the league like your average prospect/rookie would. I’d try to make minor tweaks at 2B/SS if possible, but that’s about it.

3. Speed. Soriano is not a leadoff hitter. I don’t care what Soriano says, he signed that contract, he bats lower in the order. Brian Roberts would be nice, but I don’t see a deal going down without Vitters. No way the O’s accept a reliever in Samardizija for Roberts. Unless there’s another young, promising reliever who has shown promise at the MLB level in the Cubs system, I don’t see a deal happening. And, I don’t think the O’s trade BRob unless there’s pitching involved, although Vitters is definitely a sweet haul for BRob. In conclusion, the Cubs probably won’t trade for BRob. Another option would be signing Furcal, but that’s another “Everyone will probably target Furcal” type situation.

4. Josh Vitters: If the Cubs truly want to win now, he will be dangled. Probably for the leadoff hitter.

Carlos and Victor Zambrano have exactly the same number of career postseason wins. Who would have thought?

by Blicks on Oct 13, 2025 8:24 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Soriano does not stink in LF

According to BIS plus/minus system hes about league average, so hes not good, but hes middle of the pack.

Before you start insisting on soriano batting lower in the order… he has had much much much more success in his career as a leadoff hitter.

His career numbers batting leadoff are .293/.342/.550

The other positions he has at least a seasons worth of data in are 3rd and 5th

His career numbers batting 3rd .in 688 plate appearences .260/.310/.452
HIs career numbers batting 5th in 626 plate appearences .268/.312/.513

The smartest things the cubs did, was put Soriano back in the leadoff spot. I understand that hes not your prototypical leadoff hitter, especially in the NL, but the fact is that he performs at all star levels as a leadoff hitter, and at medicore levels anywhere else.

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by jbluestone on Oct 13, 2025 10:40 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Hmm...

I said Soriano STICKS in LF, not STINKS in LF. As in he stays in LF.

Could he possibly come into his own if given more regular PAs in a lower spot. Or maybe bat him 2nd, with someone else leadoff…

Carlos and Victor Zambrano have exactly the same number of career postseason wins. Who would have thought?

by Blicks on Oct 13, 2025 11:34 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

sorry about the misread

grading exams at the same time :-(

Well… as you can see when he batted 5th his slugging was pretty strong and he still had an OPS over .800… but a full season is a pretty strong amount of ABs….

ALso if you try it, do you just stick it out for the whole season.. how long do you try it out before deciding ….

I also think the NL works even better for him this way, because his splits for leading off an inning are very strong.

1698 PA he is batting .302/.341/.567
Leading off the game he is batting
in 698 PA .310/.352/.623

Career with RISP
.255/.326/.467 …

With Men On Base
.268/.325/.484

With Bases Empty
.290/.311/.539

It seems to me, that because of his “Free swinging ways” he benefits from leadingoff, because pitchers dont want to put him on base, so they throw him pitches that are hittable…. notice how his OBP compared to AVG jumps with men on base.. when they are either gonna make him swing at a bad pitch or let him walk….

Its clear thats how pitchers approach him and in situations where he can hurt them they are gonna make a pitchers pitch or put him on base… his numbers are strong in situations where the pitcher has no where to put him, or doesnt want him on base.

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by jbluestone on Oct 13, 2025 12:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Not to be overly dismissive, but those numbers are totally meaningless

You haven’t controlled for the situations. Managers may have batted him down in the order when he was slumping or injured.

Besides which, no one has ever demonstrated that lineup position makes any difference to a player’s hitting ability.

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by PaulThomas on Oct 13, 2025 7:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Well, in soriano's case

It certainly seems to be true, you have a season worth of data in the #3 hole and #5 hole and more then that in the leadoff hole. It intuitivley makes sense with the way pitchers approach him. While I too find it surprising, in this particular case it seems to actually be the reality.

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by jbluestone on Oct 14, 2025 11:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

First thing that I do is...

…market shirts that say FUKU on the front, and DOME on the back. I bring back Wood, Dempster, Lowry. Then, if I have money to waste, I bid against the Brewers on both Sheets and Sabathia to make sure that they don’t go back to Milwaukee. I also set up Jeff Samardzjia to be my long man in the pen, and pick up Lowe in free Agency. I’ve heard that the Mets are “taking calls” on Carlos Beltran, so I put together a decent package and hope they take it.

by JayWise on Oct 13, 2025 8:26 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Beltran

I really doubt he’s getting traded. Beltran WILL cost Vitters, end of story.

I’m guessing it’s something along the lines of Vitters + Samardzija + ?? (top SP prospect?).

I don’t see Beltran being dealt to anyone though. He is one of the best CF in the game, but that doesn’t mean every team will be willing to take on his contract in fear that he could decline.

Carlos and Victor Zambrano have exactly the same number of career postseason wins. Who would have thought?

by Blicks on Oct 13, 2025 8:34 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I agree with you 100% (and apparently don't know how to nest comments)

I am actually a big Mets fan, and I can’t imagine that 80% of the clubs in baseball have the available players for Beltran. But if something changes, I think that the Cubs could use him to shore up one of their few weaknesses.

by JayWise on Oct 13, 2025 9:03 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

It took me a while to figure out how to nest as well. :-)

Beltran costs one of Vitters or Soto, as a start. Soto is likely untouchable.

If the Cubs wanted a Beltran trade centered around Vitters, they would probably have to get a 3rd team involved (Mets have Wright at 3B for a long time), which would probably send the Mets a young starting pitcher + prospects, or something along those lines (or just a beast haul of prospects).

And, you’re right. There are maybe 3 teams that 1) have the players for the deal, 2)have the financial capabilities to commit to his contract (I don’t know how much is left on it), 3) need a CF, and 4) are close enough to contention/a WS to be willing to sell the farm for Beltran

Cubs, Yankees, Red Sox. Yankees have to give up Joba, or I just don’t see a deal going down. There aren’t really that many can’t miss prospects in that Yanks system.

Carlos and Victor Zambrano have exactly the same number of career postseason wins. Who would have thought?

by Blicks on Oct 13, 2025 11:44 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I pretty much hate the Yankees farm system

For as long as I’ve followed baseball, they’ve gotten a ton of hype, and yet I haven’t seen them produce an above average starter, pitching or fielding, since the mid-90’s. You might argue Cano, but he took a huge step back in my eyes this year (but the hype thing v. the Mets farm system is a whole different story). You could argue Joba, but I want to see if he can overcome the injury bug.
 
I would love to see Vitters on the Mets, but the big issue to me remains who would take over in CF. How does Pie look? It really seemed like he’s fallen down after having a solid prospect status. Do you know what happened?

by JayWise on Oct 13, 2025 11:51 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I'm not a Cubs fan, but with what I've seen of Pie

I’m far from sold on him. Not sure “what” happened though. He’s not the type of elite talent one would see going in a Beltran deal. I’m saying AT LEAST two top 100 prospects, and the only top 100 guy the Cubs have is Vitters. Ideally, if I’m not getting a young MLB-ready stud type (i.e. a Soto, Cain although Giants wouldn’t trade for Beltran, etc.), I’m getting 2-3 top 100 prospects. And some other nice bounties as well. Vitters + Pie + anything not named Soto the Cubs have just doesn’t cut it. That’s why there will have to be a Team 3 involved, with the Cubs dealing one of the vets (Lee?) for prospects, and flipping the prospects in the Beltran deal.

I’m pretty sure Vitters can play 2B, although I’m not sure (I know he’s a 3B).

Carlos and Victor Zambrano have exactly the same number of career postseason wins. Who would have thought?

by Blicks on Oct 13, 2025 12:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

No way Vitters can play 2B in the majors

Besides, the Mets are built to win now. I wouldn’t trade Beltran for almost anything if I were them, but to the Cubs, you’d have to talk about Soto, Pie, and an arm.

by aap212 on Oct 13, 2025 4:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Truthfully

Soto for Beltran straight-up wouldn’t be the worst deal in the world. Getting Pie and an arm is simply robbery

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by OldProspects on Oct 13, 2025 5:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I look at it this way

I probably wouldn’t make the deal if I were either team. A young, top five or ten, cost-controlled catcher is something you don’t trade. A middle of the order hitter who plays gold glove defense in center (and has been your only dependable outfielder) is something you don’t trade either. It’s hard to see two win-now teams exchanging weaknesses.

by aap212 on Oct 13, 2025 6:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Apparently you don't realize just how good Beltran is

He’s basically the best defensive CF in baseball and one of the best offensively. He has probably been the most valuable Mets player since arriving… better than Wright, Delgado, or Reyes.

Soto’s damn skippy but he’s not on that level yet.

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by PaulThomas on Oct 13, 2025 7:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Well yeah

That’s why I couched everything with the assumption that I basically wouldn’t trade Beltran for anything, and that Soto would have to be part of a package. And he’s certainly underrated by most. But you are overstating a tick. He hasn’t been more valuable than Wright since arriving. More valuable than Delgado? Obviously, but only the idiots who are going to give the fourth best Phillie his second MVP think Delgado is even one of the four best players on the Mets.

by aap212 on Oct 13, 2025 7:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I am totally aware as to how monumentally good he is

In fact, he might be the best CF in baseball over the past half decade. But there are rumors that the Mets are listening to offers, so why not make some effort if you’re the cubs? He could turn that lineup into an AL one, and slump proof for October.

by JayWise on Oct 13, 2025 8:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Why does everyone seem to be forgetting cost?

Yeah, Beltran is awesome and really valuable, but considering cost I wouldn’t even trade Soto straight up for him. This may be specific to the Cubs’ position, as with the amount of massive contracts they have, filling the final OF spot with one would really really hamper the flexibility. I think the Cubs only pick up Beltran if the offer is impossible to resist. Perhaps the Mets really want to move him, media comments seem to indicate that to be the case. So I’m pretty sure all I’d trade for him would be:
DeRosa/Pie/Marshall
or Marmol/random fillers.

Way low? The teams just don’t match up well, I think.

by Canseco's Roid Party on Oct 14, 2025 11:31 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

What media comments?

The thing that seems to have started the latest round of rumors was a comment by a beat writer that the Mets would be most open to trading Beltran of their core. That means they’re more likely to trade him than Wright, Reyes, or Santana. Ya think? I’ve seen no indication that they’re actually looking to trade him, and given that he had nearly a 1100 OPS in September and October, I don’t see how they could scapegoat him for their collapse or anything. Perhaps you’re right that the teams don’t match up well, but if Hendry actually offered one of those packages, he’d hear a dial tone real quick.

by aap212 on Oct 14, 2025 1:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Yeah, I don't think they should trade him at all.

The Mets offense seems to be lacking corner OF production.

But it’s hard to say that Beltran at $18.5 Million for each of the next 3 years is worth enough to justify the Cubs giving up too much more. Really getting crazy, what do you think about any of the following very far-fetched proposals for Beltran, just as a sort of value exercise I find interesting:
Marmol+Lee+Pie
Marmol+DeRosa+Pie
Marmol+Pie+Marshall
Marmol + Soriano + $30 Million to offset cost of 2012-2014

Zambrano
Marmol + Harden

Soto + Marshall

by Canseco's Roid Party on Oct 14, 2025 2:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Carlos Beltran is a terrific player

but in neither of the last two years has his OPS been significantly higher than Soto’s. With the exception of 2006, he has never had an OPS significantly higher than Soto did in his first year. Considering Soto will turn 26 next year while Beltran is turning 32 - realistically, we can expect Soto to probably improve more than Beltran will over the next 4 or 5 years. Beltran’s an excellent fielder, but I would argue that even a decent fielding catcher is probably as valuable as an excellent fielding catcher. With all of this in mind, as well as Soto’s dramatically lower salary, I think they’re about equal

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by OldProspects on Oct 15, 2025 9:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

His defense is far, far, FAR better than Soto's

Probably 25 runs better. Even after you account for the positions they play (might knock out 10 of those runs), that’s still a major difference in their ability.

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by PaulThomas on Oct 15, 2025 11:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Let's even take those numbers that Beltran gains 15 runs

Because frankly these debates on defensive stats kind of bore me. In terms of offensive production, if Soto keeps up the production of the last two years, then they seem to be largely similar, though there is obviously a higher-than-usual chance that Soto won’t maintain that level. If you had a choice between a 32 year old who is 15-20 runs better and makes in the area of 17 million more dollars than a 26 year old, you might choose the 32 year old player, but it wouldn’t be an overwhelmingly easy decision. (It would depend, of course, on the situation of the team, if they expect to win the next year or not, the amount of money that they had, and so forth). That’s why I think it would be a relatively fair exchange

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by OldProspects on Oct 16, 2025 10:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I agree with you 100%

I am actually a big Mets fan, and I can’t imagine that 80% of the clubs in baseball have the available players for Beltran. But if something changes, I think that the Cubs could use him to shore up one of their few weaknesses.

by JayWise on Oct 13, 2025 9:02 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Hmmm

This is a good one, John….

Free agents: Henry Blanco (team option), Ryan Dempster, Jim Edmonds, Rich Harden (team option), Bob Howry, Jon Lieber, Daryl Ward, Kerry Wood
Arby-eligible: Sean Marshall, Michael Wuertz(maybe Ronny Cedeno and Ryan Theriot depending on super-2 spots and possibly more that I’ve missed)

I’ll go positionally

C - no issues here, though a good backup to protect against a sophomore slump is vital…
1B - Lee has lost a step offensively and defensively, but he’s still arguably top 5 in the NL, so nothing really to complain about….
2B - DeRosa is one of the better offensive second sackers in the league, but not much defensively…he does have great position flexibility, though, if Fontenot or Cedeno could hit enough to claim the position
3B - ARam is simply one of the best offensive third basemen in the league, albeit not the purest defender there is
SS - Theriot had a very solid season in his first as a starter…he is also less-than-stellar defensively, however
LF - Soriano was a beast when healthy
CF - Edmonds hit out of his mind, and it’s unlikely he’ll repeat that…unless the team acquires a leadoff centerfield type (Juan Pierre back to Chicago, anyone?!), i’d expect DeRosa to move here…
RF - Fukudome was a perfect #2 hitter….problem is that the Cubs already have that guy in Theriot, and they expected much more from Fukudome offensively than on-base and slap hitting ability….Reed Johnson did play out of his mind, and you could see a rotation of DeRosa/Johnson/Fukudome between CF and RF because none really hurts you offensively….

Lineup - Solid power top to bottom, good slap hitting from a couple guys in the lineup when small ball is needed, great OBP skills….but no real leadoff type….

Rotation - Blow it up??…looking at sims, Zambrano’s recent years in workload mirror Livan Hernandez’s before 2007….and the Cubs certainly don’t want Livan 2007 and since….being in homer friendly Wrigley with Marquis and Lilly is scary indeed…the team will get Rich Hill back next season, though he’s not exactly a ground ball guy either…what the team could use is a 200 IP guy who buries the ball into the ground over and over….Derek Lowe, anyone? Lilly’s numbers (other than his 30+ HR allowed) were solid enough to get back great value in trade if they go that route, otherwise, a rotation of Zambrano, Harden, Lowe, Lilly, Hill/Gallagher/Marshall would be quite solid

Bullpen - the worst performer in the pen is a free agent…bubye Howry…Samardzija steps nicely into his role (and did at the end of the season)…Marshall pitched well from the left side, which is probably the only weakness of the pen….resigning Wood or grabbing someone like

what i’d do….

Theriot’s range isn’t great, but he’s got a solid glove….Fontenot and Cedeno both provide great utility value…and moving DeRosa to the outfield will still have offensive value….so, I would renew Blanco’s option, renew Harden’s option, resign Wood, sign Lowe, sign Will Ohman as an added lefty for the pen, and my “surprise” move…..sign Raffy Furcal…the Cubs’ biggest weakness is their defense and a lack of spark in their lineup….Furcal provides both and has shown late this season that he is fully recovered from his injuries….the Cubs simply wouldn’t match LA’s offer 3 years ago, but were willing to go longer contract with Furcal at the time….now they could get him for those extra years anyway….

not a lot of changes, but enough to really create some positive things going into 2009….

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

by biggentleben on Oct 13, 2025 10:31 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

A few points.

1. Gallagher is no longer a Cub…he went to the A’s in the Harden deal.

2. What are you going to do with Marquis? He has negative trade value, if you can pawn him off on a team.

3. Ohman was horrid in Wrigley, do you really bring him back?

4. Just because a guy looks like he’s recovered from his injuries doesn’t mean you discount his injury history (this is in response to Furcal).

Carlos and Victor Zambrano have exactly the same number of career postseason wins. Who would have thought?

by Blicks on Oct 13, 2025 12:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

gallagher

yeah, i realized that after i typed it, but couldn’t edit it out….

as far as ohman’s concerned….he was arguably an all-star this year if chipper isn’t hitting .400 (yeah, seriously….scary how far the braves fell this year)….he had a couple terrible appearances in the second half to bring him back to earth, but he’s a solid lefty….and frankly, probably the best available on the market, unless the yanks decline damaso marte’s option

marquis….i honestly would take anything i could get for him….he was league average this year, so you likely have a better shot this offseason of moving him…you’d have to eat some salary….and probably get a B prospect in return, but you take it, i think, just because he’s such a salary waster and such a scary proposition for 2009….

lastly, furcal’s had one injury since his sophomore year….he just tried to play through it in 2007…he had surgery finally this year, and he’s come back like the guy he was when he left….furcal has played 135+ games all but this year and his second year in the league….and he’s only 31 next season….

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

by biggentleben on Oct 13, 2025 12:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

DeRo can't play CF

I can see him playing his fair share of RF next year but I highly doubt Lou puts him in CF because he is nowhere near good enough defensively to cover center

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by CHCOWNTHECENTRAL on Oct 14, 2025 7:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

then

he’s lost a few steps the last few years….he took balls in center multiple times during batting practice with the braves, and he always seemed the second-most natural guy covering center during that time next to andruw….

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

by biggentleben on Oct 14, 2025 9:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

My take

1. Resign Dempster and Wood. No, I don’t think Ryan will perform as well next year. No one should expect him to repeat this sterling year. That said, I think he can be a solid 3/4. I can live with Marquis as a 5, although I think we might be able to save a few million and deal him (only 1 year left and can eat innings, if we eat 3-4 million, I can see a team willing to bring Marquis in at 5-6 million without having to give up any critical prospects). I also bring back Wood and keep the pen a strength, with Shark/Marmol/Wood in the 7th-9th inning spots. Either way, you’ll need a veteran arm, so why not keep the pen a strength and bring back Wood, particularly since indications are that Wood (and maybe Dempster as well) will take a discount. I’d fill out the rest of the pen with guys here already, with the only exception perhaps of finding a LOOGY (Fultz?).

2. The positional decisions are harder. Let’s go by each position

C - Soto and Blanco. I can see Hill as the backup if they want to save 2.7 million on Blanco.

1st - A lot of Cubs fans want Lee moved. Let me first say, I am open to the idea. Let me also say, Lee is a moveable asset, since the contract only has 2 years left. That said, I don’t expect it, as he has a no-trade, and the only west coast team that seem likely would be the Angels if they lose Tex, and even then, I’m not sold. I know Phil Rogers rumored the Giants, but I don’t buy it.

2nd - My gut guess is Baltimore extends Brian Roberts. Not sure we have the chips anyways, but I think Baltimore extends. I think we might ask on Orlando Hudson, but Mark DeRosa is fine, and I can even live with Mike Fontenot starting if we opted for that route. Theriot could be an option. See SS.

SS - I think Hendry pursues Furcal here. Whether or not he lands him, dunno. But I think he pursues Furcal. Furcal would be the leadoff hitter needed, the proven leadoff hitter. That means Theriot would be moved. Does he go to 2nd? Possible, but Theriot’s value is at a peak right now, so I could see him get dangled about.

3rd - Aramis.

LF - Soriano - no one’s touching the contract.

CF - Fukudome/Johnson - Kosuke’s contract isn’t getting moved. I think they go into the season with an OF platoon somewhere, and this one makes sense if we can land a leadoff hitter at short.

RF - There’s obviously some FA options worth looking at, but they key is, we need a middle of the order lefty bat. My preference? Make a run at Jeremy Hermida before looking elsewhere. He’s cheap, which will help with our backloaded deals. I think we can make a competitive bid that interests the Marlins, but not sure if we can win.

Bench - Use the system (Hoffpauir for example). Only exception is that a MI replacement might be needed. I am fine with Ronny Cedeno, but Paul Sullivan (I think) suggests that Cedeno may be on the move.

In general, a leadoff hitter and a lefty middle of the bat added this offseason would be preferable.

by toonsterwu on Oct 13, 2025 10:51 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

My Thoughts:

It’s a tricky scenario, what with the backloaded deals + thin system, but I think there are some good opportunities to be creative. However, I don’t expect the Cubs to do so, as most of them would involve doing things that go against their trends.

1. Start looking to the future. We (yes i am a fan, and yes i think saying “we” is ok for fans- i understand i have no effect on the games…and if someone from the club would call me out on it i would say “well, then give me a job and i will help. they could use some help :)” ) could go for it all this year, and by that i mean ALL, but that doesn’t guarantee a thing. What is guaranteed is that going for it all would start to hurt bad in 2010, and by 2011-12 the Cubs would be awful. Unless payroll goes to 200+, in which case GM wouldn’t be so tough now would it? So how do I look to the future? Obviously it depends on how things fall in the FA/trade market for other teams, but I consider the following:

2. Since this is #2, it is appropriate- get rid of some second basemen. For those unaware, the Cubs LOVE 2B’s, to an unhealthy degree. There is no way they should ever think about picking up Roberts in a trade…unless he comes for hilariously cheap. If Cedeno(who is actually more of a 2B) has any value, I trade him to a rebuilding team as he’s out of options. B prospect or however much value i can get, if it’s less than having him in the 25th man spot, we’ll keep him there.

2A. Trade DeRosa. At 5.5M next year coming off his career year, he should have value to a team with a hole at 2B. He would have to net a decent return, like maybe a guy or two slated to be league average for cheap; or some lower-level upside guys, honestly I’m thinking something like the return in the harden deal, save for Gallagher as that is obviously absurd. But if we got like the younger equals for patterson/murt/donaldson for him, I’d take that (although the A’s apparently were unaware Patterson was terrible, so i am talking more in what they perceived than what they actually got) So anyone think we could get value for DeRo here that would make him worth a deal to build the system a bit? Note that DeRosa could potentially be a Type A at the end of next year, so there’s no reason just to dump him…how the market is on him makes my other suggestions flexible depending—

2B. If we trade DeRosa, I platoon Theriot and Fontenot at 2B. Yes, Theriot. This would give us a very good 2B combined, in addition to removing Theriot’s AWFUL (yeah it’s definitely that bad) defense from SS. Play Cedeno at SS if you have to, or sign a one-year for some .650 OPS glove guy; I honestly don’t care. Honestly Theriot’s D is so bad at SS, and so much improved (due to the fact that his weaknesses are arm, and range. thats all! ha.) by moving him to 2B, he actually increases a bit in value to the team. Problem is, they have 3 2Bs who have varying degrees and types of value. I like to combine Fonty and Riot to bring together the little-guy OBP AND little-guy SLG, into a solid platoon masher. Fontenot by himself, I think would be passable, but he’s a guy who can either give you a 900 ops in 300ish ABs, or a 750 in 600. As easy as it is to improve upon those other 300 AB’s, I prefer the former.

3. So what about SS? I know I am wordy, I apologize for my writing. I just get excited. So I’m not particularly excited about Furcal, although I’d take him. If I were GM, it would be very predicated on his health reports, and possibly an incentive-laden contract. Other options are just to let the hole back into the lineup, and play a pure glove SS which would be cheap for a one-year deal; or go after someone like Khalil Greene, who i am for as he should now be finally cheap. If he sucks especially bad against RHP, without looking up his platoon splits as i dont know for sure, this would also give us the option of cycling Theriot in at SS against RHP, as Fontenot would be at 2B.

4. Re-Sign Reed Johnson, he is a good 4th outfielder to have. I’d probably go for a two-year deal here, unless he was cheap on a one-year; maybe I’d go up to 2 for a total of 4-5M max.

5. Re-Sign Blanco, unless we really need the $$. If that’s the case, bring up Hill or whatever other cheap backup is available; if there’s a bench C FA that is someone who can hit as credible PH option, I’d sign that player. Since Soto is solid on D and will play a lot of games, we can have a weaker backup C defensively, getting somebody who can hit a bit but only from one side might help add a bench bat.

6. Let Pie play CF. If he still can’t hit LHP, then I platoon him with Johnson. If we don’t think he will be able to hit at all, then we must absolutely trade him now to get some value. I happen to think he’d be pretty solid, and if he got 1/2 the number of chances as Fukudome did this year, he’d be hitting at a level good enough to be a starter in CF; considering Pie is as good in CF as Dome is in RF, that is to say a way better overall defensive player and definitely plus CF, he should be given a full year of ABs before they think he can’t ever make it. with his D, I’d be OK with anything over 700 OPS. He can do this. If not, please get rid of him now, as we already have a defensive sub who is completely untradeable making $11+M next year.

7. Speaking of, I think Fukudome can maybe get it turned around. Ridiculously massive hole in his swing. That is to say, there isn’t really a swing there at this point. If he can fix it to produce ~800 OPS which I sort of expect, I like him in RF. If he can’t, he will get completely dominated as his 740ish OPS this year is due to his hot start…which is a statement i never thought I’d make about a player. If he sucks that bad, we’ll have to hide him in CF (or give away a ton of money. i also would hope for seppuku if push came to shove and his #s decrease next year) in a platoon with Johnson. This would open up a big hole in RF however, which would have to be filled by a good bat, who unfortunately would have to not be horrible on D(burrell/dunn) as Fukudome+Johnson, while solid in CF, are on the lower end range-wise.

8. Resign Wood if reasonable. Meaning ideally like 3/24 or 2/20 with an option, but this may be a bit of a fantasy number. I’d do 3/30. If it gets higher than that, I’d have to say thanks for the memories Kerry, and take the draft picks.

9. Likewise on Dempster. Sadly, “reasonable” for Demp would mean he’d be signing for around the same amount as other, far worse, pitchers have already signed for. I think he could, potentially, replicate this season. The probability is low though. more likely is that you’ll get one above-average year and two average ones in the next 3. Also he has the chance of reinjuring himself, or having a complete control breakdown like in the playoffs…but over many games. I am thinking maybe he really just did completely improve from the closer version of Dempster, as the full season of decent BB rate is good to see. I’ll sign him to a somewhat front-loaded deal, which would allow him to reconvert to the bullpen if he sucks bad 3 years down the road. With Lohse getting 4/41….this makes me scared for the market though. I’d try maybe like 15, 13, 11, 9 for some flexibility down the road? Maybe this is just weird, but I will be an open-minded GM. Anyhow, 4/48 is pretty much my top-end for Dempster. I’d also probably do 2/30 or 3/39. Chances he will sign for under my limits…hmm. Not great, although i am thinking we will get a sizable discount off the market as he loves it here.

10. I’d trade Lee if he could bring back a solid return. Obviously I’m not expecting the ridiculous report of Cain, but if we got a good prospect or two that are expected to definitely contribute in the majors and it’s more the “degree” of contribution that is uncertain, I’d do this. Also upside would be nice, especially starting pitcher upside.

11. Shark starts out in Iowa in the rotation; he would get at least the first half of the next two years to work on starting. Once he is needed in the pen, and or makes it clear he will not be an MLB starter, I would bring him up for the MLB 7th inning or so role. I’d think we could sign someone solid for this role for not too much $$, so I look at options on the FA pen market. Solid guys, and also I would not give out multi-year deals like candy as Hendry does. But hey, I’d take Howry before this season if we could get someone like that at a few million a year; just wouldn’t take him this year even if he PAID to play.

12. Marquis: dump him if you can. Probably wouldn’t send more than 4-5 mil in a deal though; as much salary relief as possible is all we want in a dump, as buying a decent prospect for 9.75 million would be likely a terrible deal, and i don’t see teams sending over top-100 prospects for Marquis. I’d expect to be able to get like 5M from someone for Marquis, and as a bonus we could give the worst prospect in their system the thrill of seeing their name on ESPN in the trade ticker…it’d be the best thing marquis has ever done.

13. SIgn a couple rehab projects to minor-league deals as someone mentioned above. Only top-end upside guys, we can get #5 starters anywhere.

14. hire either a psychological staff, a bunch of hot women for him, or anything really for Rich Hill. Hope he can return, have actual control, and be a solid ML starter. He would give a huge boost returning to the rotation.

15. If possible, sign Harden to ridiculous incentive-based extension. If not, keep a close eye on him and only use him wisely. If he made 20 starts, of full Harden pitching, that would be awesome. Play him only against good teams or something even.

16. Potentially trade Marmol. I’d like to see what people might think his value would be. Also, if we don’t trade him now, I’m pretty sure Lou (my opinion:Lou is pretty much an idiot.) will slaughter both his arm and the confidence of other pitchers by making him appear in 100 games next year. 50 of these games will be in very low-leverage situations. Several spots he was put in the game this year were just absolutely inexcusable, like Harden’s first start where the game was 7-0 and i think marmol was brought in with it 7-2 or so, and then blew up. Power pen arms are pretty much our only minor league strength, aside from Vitters.

CLIFF NOTES:
I get a bit crazy and make some moves. Overall, roster would be something like:
C: Soto, Blanco or lefty-hitting PH backup C FA.
1B: Lee, Hoffpauir
2B: Fontenot/Theriot platoon (or DeRosa)
SS: Greene, or Furcal if we keep loving to spend $$ , or Cedeno, Greene/Cedeno or Greene/Theriot or Cedeno/Theriot, with my 7th favorite option being a all-glove FA signing, and my 8th favorite option being RYAN THERIOT. God he is gritty though.
3B: Aramis
LF: Soriano. — Related Rant: “Leadoff”: I don’t care what he thinks, he’s not hitting 1st. Hell Lee would have been a way better leadoff option this year….I actually would really like them to put someone like Lee up there if his SLG stays down which it may as 2005 was a bit fluky. Screw the “leadoff guy” just put someone up there, if by some sad scenario Theriot is an everyday SS, or under one of my crazy platoons leading to nearly everyday play from the Riot, I’d put him up there. And NEVER let him steal. Awful baserunner who probably thinks his SB line is really good even at his awful rate.
CF: Pie, with Fukudome and Johnson in the backup plans depending on what happens with Pie.
RF: Fukudome if we have to….hope he gets it going. If we trade Pie, then Dome will move to center barring some Beltran trade miracle…
My top interest for RF would have to be Hermida, as toonster mentions. He’d be perfect, and hopefully rebound. As I mentioned, Burrell/Dunn are only realistic with Pie in CF and some massive payroll relief coming from somewhere else, like Marquis or a Kosuke seppuku. there is NO REASON to think about DeRosa or Hoffpauir as a RF starter. Emergency, yes, but full-time? No. DeRo although an ok outfielder, in this case instead of decreasing his bat’s value in RF, could be traded if we didnt want him for 2B; and Hoffpauir is awful in RF.

Rotation:
Zambrano
Harden
Lilly
Dempster or other FA (Lowe is my #1 option, but I doubt it) assuming we’ll get Dempster for more than is actually prudent.
RICH HILL
next, after Hill and also to replace Harden when he is on the DL or on a 9 day rest between unscheduled starts; I go with some combo of Marshall (solid 5 starter!), Gaudin, Mitch Atkins, Samardzjia, etc.
Marquis if can’t unload him is fine as a #5.

Under no circumstance do I sign Garland as a FA. That will be some costly contract for poor starting pitching, I expect he may even surpass Marquis as a terrible FA contract…so we prob will sign him.

Bullpen:
Wood
Marmol
FA- If we sign Wood and keep Marmol, I don’t sign much of a FA…but if we either don’t sign Wood for a reasonable amount, or could use Marmol as trade bait, I’d sign either 1 or 2 bullpen arms who are solid proven top-end bullpen guys. Not closers of course, but anyone in the <3.00 ERA projected area, and I set up my pen with these guys. Gaudin could also maybe be in the 7th+ (and Shark if needed)

Wuertz
Gaudin
Guzman
Cotts
Marshall
maybe Wells, Ascanio, Ceda, basically we are set in pen quantity.

CLIFF NOTES’ CLIFF NOTES:
why i should be made GM of the Cubs, or at least Assistant Assistant GM; my very tentative Plan/Ideas
1. Trade Marmol
2. Don’t overspend on Wood/Demp
3. If we need to replace Wood/Marmol, add the least-heralded options for these spots that are, by their peripherals and stuff, legit late-inning relievers.
4. RICH HILL!
5. Trade Marquis, never ever sign anyone like him again.
6. Theriot no longer starting at SS.
7. USE PEOPLE WISELY
8. Start selling high for once, aka the people on my list to look into trading: Marmol, DeRosa, Theriot.
9. Long-term, look to eventually sign an extreme GB Ace(a real one…not Zambrano’s sort-of GB nibbling) when one comes available; if we could get the next Webb/Halladay/Lowe locked up when they are signing a FA contract, it would be worth the risk of some sort of absurdly long albatross aka Zito/Soriano.

by Canseco's Roid Party on Oct 14, 2025 1:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

My Plan:

Bring back Dempster,
trade Marquis,
sign Pettitte or Mussina for a year,
bring back Edmonds
get Baldelli if there’s no competition
bullpen of Marmol, Samardzija, Cotts, Wuertz, Gaudin, Guzman, Marshall

by METSMETSMETS on Oct 13, 2025 11:32 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

what?

why pettitte or moose? makes very little sense for them if they need someone guaranteed to eat some innings and keep the ball in the park…

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

by biggentleben on Oct 13, 2025 12:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

+1

Even less sense, since Moose said he wants to stay in the AL and Pettitte said Yanks or retirement.

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by gatling on Oct 13, 2025 12:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Trading Derrek Lee

I think he’s the most tradeable asset outside of Vitters and Samardzija (even moreso than PIe, who I just don’t think will ever hit). He’s still a pretty good player and his contract isn’t a big deal. The real question the Cubs have to ask themselves is if they think Micah Hoffpauir can actually be a good major league first baseman.

by thejd44 on Oct 13, 2025 12:51 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Some Thoughts....

I think Marquis is a very tradeable commodity. Now that he is down to his last year of his contract and due $7M, if the Cubs agreed to pay a portion of that, many teams would be interested.

I fear the Cubs will stick with Theriot at SS. Yes, I know he was solid this season, but you have to consider this a career year. The Cubs love to go with players coming off huge years (Gary Gaetti syndrome). I think you have to look for an upgrade…Hendry wanted Furcal 3 years ago, get him this offseason.

D Lee isn’t going anywhere unless the Cubs get bowled over by an offer. If they do, send him away.

by goose102977 on Oct 13, 2025 1:35 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

My plan

1. A first easy move is to exercise Harden’s 2009 $7M option, which the real life Cubs have already done.

2. Players under contract or that the Cubs own rights to that need to be traded include Marquis (I agree with goose102977 in that he is very tradeable due to his expiring contract and the fact that a lot of teams are in the market for pitching. For this post I’ll assume that Marquis is traded for prospects that won’t immediately impact the 25-man roster.) and Ronny Cedeno.

3. Let some FAs walk: Edmonds, Howry, Lieber, Ward, Fox

4. Chicago’s bullpen is crowded with swingmen, and I’m sure some team wouldn’t mind taking either Gaudin, Marshall, or Angel Guzman for cash or a decent prospect. Personally, I’d look to trade Marshall.

5. Lilly’s contract makes him hard to move at $12 Mil a year, but as a 3/4 starter (which he is with the Cubs) he’s one of the best pitchers anchoring down the second half of a rotation. Try to re-sign Dempster to a short-term deal. I’m not privy to the negotations so I’m not sure what Dempster’s party is asking for, but I’d offer a $15 Mil over two year contract and see where that goes.

6. Reed Johnson was a bargain at $1.3M this year, and I’d try to re-sign him as insurance to Pie, who I think is developed enough to the point where the reins need to be yanked and he needs to become Chicago’s everyday centerfielder. A 2-3 year contract worth a couple mil a year for a player that can adequately backup up all outfield positions in the national league would be awesome.

7. While it might look funny in comparison to Soto’s salary, exercise Blanco’s $3M option. Blanco is the ideal backup catcher due to his defensive capabilities and experience, and looking at the alternative options in the FA market, you couldn’t really do much better at that price. If Soto does suffer from the sophomore slump, you have a reliable backup just in case.

8. Re-sign some bullpen arms: Wuertz and Cotts should be tendered one-year deals, and Wood should be given an extension. Considering his only injury problem this past year were finger blisters, I’d feel relatively confident offering a multi-year deal, say a 3-year deal ($20-25 mil?) with one or two backloaded team options.

9. I don’t really foresee the cubs being major players in free agency this year. Starting shortstop (like many people, I think Theriot had a career year. He’d be an excellent option off the bench, but I don’t think 2008’s offensive numbers are sustainable.) would be the one exception, and three players would be my main targets: Orlando Cabrera, Rafael Furcal, or Edger Renteria (depending on the status of his team option). A 2 or 3-year contract hopefully should suffice. Though various top-line starters (Sabathia, Burnett, Sheets) and closers (Fuentes, K-Rod) might be available, neither group really addresses a glaring need in the Cubs’ team. Investing (not as heavily) in a middle of the rotation arm like Brad Penny, Oliver Perez, or Jon Garland might be a good idea since Rich Hill’s health might be in doubt. It might be prudent to offer some minor-league contracts to veteran starters like Claudio Vargas or Mike Hampton.

The Cubs already have a nice core with their 25-man roster as it is, and as such shouldn’t feel the need to blow up their roster. Sorting out the glut of middle infielders and their roles via trades should be a priority as should be re-signing Wood and Dempster. With few open spots on their roster even after these moves, it would surprise me if the Cubs signed more than 2 or 3 free agents to major league contracts.

C - Soto
1B - D.Lee
2B - DeRosa
SS - O. Cabrera/Furcal
3B - A.Ramirez
LF - Soriano
CF - Pie
RF - Fukudome

C - Blanco
CIF - Fontenot
MIF - Theriot
OF - R.Johnson
1B/OF - Hoffpauir (need some pauir off the bench)

SP - Zambrano
SP - Harden
SP - Lilly
SP - Dempster
SP - Hill

LR - Gaudin
LR - A.Guzman
MR - Wuertz
LOOGY - Cotts
SU - Samardzija
SU - Marmol
CL - Wood

by Grudyfan on Oct 13, 2025 4:00 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

so basically you wouldnt change anything except

sign a free agent SS.

I think you need to be very worried about Zambrano.. his pereferals have been on a slow and steady decline for a while now, and the injurys are starting to creep up… i’ve been saying it for a while, but one of these years hes gonna have a precipitous drop in performance do the early abuse on his arm by mr. baker.

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by jbluestone on Oct 13, 2025 6:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Your prediction might be true...

but what do you do then? The big Z is under contract for the next four years with an option on fifth and he has a full no-trade clause. Seeing how moving him is next to impossible, I just assume I’d continue to have one of the league’s better pitchers on my team.

I should have also taken away Hill from the tentiave depth chart (seeing that he might not be ready for the start of the season) and replace him with either Penny/Garland/Perez (will edit that change).

The cubs were the winningest team in the majors during the regular season, so one shouldn’t feel the need to extensively change much.

by Grudyfan on Oct 13, 2025 10:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Age

       If Zambrano does break down sometime within the next 2-3 years, it wouldn’t be at a very uncommon age for a pitcherZambrano is getting older, and he’s evolving as a pitcher. That would seem to me to be a very plausible explanation of Zambrano’s trends. Perhaps a moderate decline in his stuff has Zambrano relying more on contact in addition to nibbling more often.

       Zambrano’s been handled responsibly for the last several years, but even so, he has always had very violent mechanics and that could be just as plausible an explanation as Zambrano working 215IP a season or having somewhat highish pitch counts before the age of 25. I don’t mean to personally impugn on you with this one, but waiting from year to year for a play to break down is a little ghoulish, as far as I’m concerned. I’d much rather just pay heed to the notion and then get back to watching everybody’s favorite histrionics prone starting pitcher.

by GuyinNY on Oct 14, 2025 5:31 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Zambrano is not evolving as a pitcher

His K/BB ratio has gotten worse each year… id buy that if he was striking out less in exchange for more control, but thats not the case. His K./BB ratio being below 2.0 is just pathetic… its amazing hes been able to gut it out to the point that he has.

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by jbluestone on Oct 14, 2025 11:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

You will all probably think I'm crazy

But I think the best trading chip that the Cubs have is Carlos Marmol and should be the first thing the Cubs offer in any trade for a big name player. Marmol has been a top notch reliever, but they have put an enormous work load on a very young arm and there is a lot of history that says that it leads to early breakdown for pitchers. Marmol will get you a good way there towards any trade you want to be done and at the same time there is a good chance that he will be ineffective in a couple of years

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by Trenchtown on Oct 13, 2025 4:24 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Not a bad idea

Some team might overpay drastically to add Marmol to their pen, so if the price is right they should consider it.

by jibs on Oct 14, 2025 11:32 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Now there

is a trade that would make some sense for the Mets

by alskor on Oct 14, 2025 1:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Oh yes please sign me up for Marmol for Beltran

would this be realistic without adding TOO much else? What else would be necessary, Pie could go for sure. That enough?

by Canseco's Roid Party on Oct 14, 2025 1:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

No no no no

The Mets don’t need relief help so badly that they would trade one of the ten best position players in the league for one reliever. The Mets offense is thin. They can’t trade one of their stars just to get a little bullpen help.

by aap212 on Oct 14, 2025 1:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Wha?

I didnt say “for Beltran!” That’s insane. I cant tell if youre being sarcastic… but there is no way to make that “realistic without adding TOO much else.”

Im sure they could match up some other way.

Now if you want an off the wall, crazy idea - how about a trade based around Soriano for Beltran? Change of scenery and chemistry for both teams. Soriano returns to NY. The salaries are nearly a wash(18 to 18.5 for most of the remainder of those deals). Im not that in touch with the player values for the NL… but Im sure a scenario where the Mets get Marmol could be worked out(Murphy & Heilman?). Now THAT is a wacky idea… that obviously has pretty much zero chance of happening… but that one’s fun to think about. Id rather have Beltran, all things considered, but still…

by alskor on Oct 16, 2025 2:48 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Just spitballing here

I don’t know enough about the Cubs to make predictions as to what they should do in the offseason, but I’d like to offer a modest proposal. The Padres send Chris Young to the Cubbies in exchange for a package built around Felix Pie. They can then let Dempster walk and save some cash, or maybe sign an innings eater to take the starts that Young and Harden miss while serving as the swingman in the pen. The rebuilding Padres could really use a good-glove CF too because of the size of Petco, and they can take the risk of playing Pie all season long.

Just one guy’s thought.

by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 13, 2025 4:26 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Any thoughts on Rich Hill?

Have Cub fans completely given up on him? Will he ever be heard from again, or was he swallowed by the same abyss as Tim Naehring and Michael Rappaport?

by aap212 on Oct 13, 2025 4:57 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Re:

I think some fans have hope for him. A writer in Chicago commented that Hill might not be able to work well with Lou, or something like that.

Gut feeling is that they’ll hold onto him through spring and see if he can be utilized as an asset, whether it be in the pen or rotation. If not, then they may ship him off (Baltimore makes some sense, with their Cubs connections there)

by toonsterwu on Oct 13, 2025 5:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Too bad he's on the Cubs

Otherwise he’d seem like a perfect candidate for Dave Duncan project.

by aap212 on Oct 13, 2025 7:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

yips

Hill had a 110 ERA+ before going down this year….he did struggle in the minors, but he had bad back muscle spasms….could have something to do with his issues with the repeatability of his delivery this season…

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

by biggentleben on Oct 13, 2025 7:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

He had an FIP of 5.83

He had a tRA of 5.75. (tRA+ of 75.) That’s replacement level.

Hill was bloody awful this year; only the limited number of innings and a heaping helping of luck kept his numbers from matching it.

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by PaulThomas on Oct 13, 2025 9:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

numbers

and you know anything beyond numbers?

what i’ve read and heard was that hill started having back issues in the early spring and could never get his motion right all season before finally succumbed to the DL….hopefully he’s right for 2009….

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

by biggentleben on Oct 13, 2025 10:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I love when anti-stat fanatics cite a stat and then immediately accuse someone else

of only caring about numbers when said someone else demonstrates that the original stat is retarded.

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by PaulThomas on Oct 13, 2025 11:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Context

Like any good sabermetrically-inclined fan, you ought to pay heed to context. “His ERA suffered due to his back” is different than “his peripherals sucked, so he sucked.” I think it does behoove us to consider that perhaps Hill’s yips were caused by his bad back. The sort of invective spouted at you wasn’t deserved, but I’m not inclined to by completely into DIPS or tRA, as I happen to think pitchability and the ability to work with one’s defense matters quite a bit to a starting pitcher. Don’t get me wrong; I happen to think Hill sucked a ton this season, and the scouting matches up with the advanced metrics on that one, but to dismiss Hill entirely based off his components/nerves writes off a possible root cause in his back.

by GuyinNY on Oct 14, 2025 5:11 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Nothing in my original reply ("He had an FIP...")

either directly addressed or was intended to address the question of whether Hill was injured this season or not. Only the point where he points out Hill’s ERA+ from this year, a stat which is, for many reasons, utterly useless.

It is quite possible that injuries affected him; in fact, it’s quite likely. It seems like a lot of cases of “the yips” are set off by injuries that sap a player’s confidence. Rick Ankiel… Noah Lowry…

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by PaulThomas on Oct 14, 2025 3:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

woah

i’m far from anti-stat….and i realize basically everything else about his season statistically blew raisin bran chunks, but i was pointing out that even in all of that suckitude, he did keep the runs off the board surprisingly well before his demotion….certainly not after it, which is also intriguing….

hill may be a guy like steve avery that we look back a decade from now and wonder what if….great lefty power arm with usually good poise on the mound….an injury threw off avery’s mechanics and he was never the same…..hopefully hill recovers his once his back is better….

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

by biggentleben on Oct 14, 2025 8:37 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Blow them up

Lee, Ramirez and Soriano had their chances over the last 2 years, and other than Lee’s hitting in game 3 this year they have been a total bust. All 3 of these guys are players who can hit against the 3-5 pitchers on a team when they see fastballs, but put them under pressure in the playoffs and they choke. I know you wouldn’t get much for Soriano at his ridiculous rate, but they are not something to build around.

Fukudome should be released, and anyone who thinks otherwise didn’t watch any games this year. This guy is clueless and a total bust.

I think the Cubs have great depth in pitching. And I don’t think pitching was their downfall this year. Sure, Dempster let them down in game 1 with some wildness, but the other pitchers did well enough to win if the Cubs had any offense at all.

Hendry is not the most creative guy in the world. I would not be surprised to see him dump a lot of cash in Furcal’s lap, and I wouldn’t fault him for doing it, either. The Cubs #1 priority has to be getting on base and having a clear leadoff hitter. (Remember, that’s what Fukodome was supposed to help them with, OBP.)

I would not move Marmol or Rich Hill. I think Hill will be back. Trying to trade him when his value is at its lowest is stupid. Do you think the BoSox will trade Buchholz this offseason? No way. Young pitchers are worth a fortune. Wood will probably be resigned at a hometown discount and he will be welcomed back. If you recall the playoffs last year against Arizona, Wood was one of the few players who showed some intensity and looked like he actually wanted to win the games.

That’s where I begin. Find some guys who play with intensity, like Furcal. Move the guys who look like a deer in the headlights like Ramirez. I don’t care if he hits 29 homers a year- he is a crappy situational hitter. If Ramirez were moved or Fukudome released, the Cubs might be able to use DeRosa to fill a hole because he is not much of a second baseman.

The farm system has nothing to offer, other than Rich Hill.

by schpee on Oct 13, 2025 10:11 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Cubs OBP

Why does everyone still think the Cubs have OBP issues? They were 2nd in the Majors in OBP…they seemed to have solved those issues. I think people should do a little research before posting stuff. By the way, this post is ridiculous. Are you familiar with the Cubs at all?

by goose102977 on Oct 13, 2025 10:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

+1

on the post and the obp comments….

that said, i do like the move of furcal defensively and for a “spark” that their lineup currently seems to lack, but not for any OBP reasons….they have solid OBP players that play short already….just a matter of being on-base and being on base and causing the pitcher headaches….

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

by biggentleben on Oct 13, 2025 11:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I think it's funny the way Hill is brought up by several people.

I think he has a shot to come back, but it’s a lottery ticket and his trade value is ~0.

by Canseco's Roid Party on Oct 14, 2025 1:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

FYI on Ramirez being a like "a deer in headlights"

In “Close and Late” situations (in 7th inning or later with the batting team either ahead by one run, tied or with the potential tying run at least on deck, see ESPN) Ramirez only had a line of .423/.553/.873. That is the definition of a clutch player. Two rough postseasons in a row does not mean you deal your best offensive player.

by goose102977 on Oct 13, 2025 11:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

they need to

hire a voodoo man.

by RollingWave on Oct 14, 2025 12:01 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Tex

I’m not a cubs fan so I didn’t follow them as close as most of you did. But what I did see in watching the cubs this year was they lacked a good LH bat in the lineup. The Dodgers righties shut them down. See if they can sign Mark Texiera and then trade derek lee for some prospects. That gives you a big LH bat that you lacked. Plus it looks like Lee is on the downside of his career. It would cost a ton of money. Probably in the range of the Soriano deal plus you’d probably have to pick up a portion of Lee’s salary as part of the trade. Another option might be Bobby Abreu. Depending on if Kosuke can play Center or not. That would be a much cheaper option. Gives you a decent LH bat plus he has performed well in the post season. His defense isn’t all that great. But again I didn’t watch the cubs allot. From the looks of Kosuke’s number he hit adequate in the first half. Looks like the pitchers adjusted to him. He didn’t make the necessary adjustments he needed to make. Plus very few japan hitters perform well in the Majors. Other than Ichiro and Hideki all the others did pretty bad. I’m not sure of Kosuke’s numbers in japan but Hideki’s were good. They have gone down allot since coming to the Majors. He may never turn out to be a good major league hitter.

by JFRIZZLE on Oct 14, 2025 1:31 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

tex

is a switch hitter, just fyi

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

by biggentleben on Oct 14, 2025 8:38 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Problems

Some problems with this post.

True, they need a lefty bat and it should be their #1 priority this off-season. I do think the playoff sweep has people over-emphasizing this though. They didn’t win 97 games without hitting RHP. So a lefty bat yes - but a superstar left bat probably isn’t going to happen.

I can’t see them out-bidding the Yanks for Tex. The Yanks have a large windfall of cash this off-season, it’s a pretty dry market and there is a new Steinbrenner ego emerging.

Kosuke isn’t an option for everyday CF. I stay with a platoon of Edmonds and a righty - hopefully Pie can be salvaged. All hope is not lost here, though the light is dimming. Many people have forgotten about Kosuke’s first half as you point out. I think his second half is a combo of things - Japanese players aren’t used to the rigors of travel here in the states and once some scouting was available, pitchers did adjust.

Plus very few japan hitters perform well in the Majors.

Completely false. Most Japanese hitters have come over and performed pretty close to what they did in Japan with a little drop in power. I don’t know why most people think Japanese hitters come over here and fail - blame it on Kaz Matsui I guess.

by slurve on Oct 14, 2025 3:03 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Shinjo...

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Oct 14, 2025 3:54 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

not

Isuro Tanaka ? :P

by RollingWave on Oct 14, 2025 5:16 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Shinjo

Japanese #’s .253/.304/.432

American #’s .245/.299/.370

Pretty close to exactly what I said. A little drop in power, otherwise looks pretty close to me. Especially when you figure that the MLB numbers isn’t the biggest sample and the Japanese numbers weren’t that good until he went back and had a couple of his best seasons. His Japanese numbers prior to 2001 translated almost identical over here, minus the power.

by slurve on Oct 14, 2025 8:49 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

OK so the Giants are just morons

He was certainly HYPED as a good hitter…

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Oct 14, 2025 3:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Yeah, I remember that

I think a lot of it had to do with his popularity over there. He was WILDY popular over there - still is. Even Ichiro, Matsui, and Dice-K are no match for him.

by slurve on Oct 14, 2025 4:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Like I said

Getting Tex would be very difficult to do and very expensive. Thats I also threw out an alt plan one in which would be much cheaper. But then that leaves a problem defensively. And FYI I know Tex is a switch hitter. My point was he could hit well vs righty pitching. Yes the cubs hit righty pitching during the regular season. But you have to remember your team weaknesses don’t get fully exposed untill the playoffs. So untill they get that shored up they will continue to falter in the post season. The pitchers did adjust to Kosuke. But it’s his job to readjust to them. If he is uncapable of that then he will never be a good major league hitter. So far he is unable to adjust. My statement wasn’t entirely false. Very few japan hitter perform well in the majors. Ichiro has been great no doubt about it. Hideki has been good but no where close to his japan numbers. His career OPS is .995 his numbers with the yankees .849 that is allot worse. What were Kosuke’s numbers in japan? SO your saying japan hitters perform pretty close to what they did in japan. Well I just looked at Ichiro numbers from Japan on ESPN. He numbers are alloy lower as well. .943 OPS to .807. Once again that is a big difference. There is a huge drop in power for Ichiro and Hideki. Kosuke’s numbers aren’t on ESPN. While 2 of them have performed ok here their numbers drop significantly. So it looks like your statement is false.

by JFRIZZLE on Oct 15, 2025 12:25 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I dream of...

- Signing one of the big name starting pitchers. I like our rotation, but don’t love our rotation. I like Burnett back in the NL.

- If a great package comes alone for DLee, do it. Take a gamble and try to sign Hank Blalock if they can.

- Resign Dempster to a 3 year deal. If possible, go for 2.

- Move DeRosa to RF.

- Move Fukudome to CF.

- Sign Orlando Hudson.

- Platoon Fontenot/Theriot at SS.

Thats one option. I could probably live with that.

by SenorGato on Oct 14, 2025 4:06 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

5 minutes later.

I’m so glad I’m not the Cubs GM.

by SenorGato on Oct 14, 2025 4:11 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Trade Derrek Lee..

..for Madison Bumgarner.

by schmosterballs92 on Oct 14, 2025 9:19 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Heck yeah

I would love for that to happen … no chance though. The whole Lee to Giants things picked up rumorville steam from Phil Rogers. Best case scenario with the Giants that I can imagine is Jon Sanchez being involved, but I don’t see the cubs moving Lee unless they have lined up an impact bat, and the whole process of such an action would be extremely tricky.

I think, for the Cubs fans that want to move Lee, the best team is still the Angels if Tex leaves.

by toonsterwu on Oct 14, 2025 11:52 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Get rid of all the flubs fans.

They need a new breed of fan. Until then, the curse will live on. Daaaaa…………………flubs.

by NLaloosh on Oct 14, 2025 12:40 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Mentality - Get someone who doesn't "care"

Manny Ramirez and Derek Lowe (I think he is a FA) are both guys who performed under the pressure in Boston to win that first title. They are proven post-season performers and wouldn’t hurt you in the regular season as well. I think they need to overhaul the mentality there. I would deal Soriano (if you can with that contract) to make room for Manny, then you could stick Fukudome (assuming he plays like the first half of the year OBP-wise) in the lead-off slot.

"God, I'm from Cleveland. When is it going to be our time?"

by BStal11 on Oct 14, 2025 5:34 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

There seems to be a whole lotta radical changes suggested and I'm not sure why

This team was already a World Series contender. I can see minor tweaks like Pie in CF and Marmol to closer and maybe add Lowe, but why the mass changes?

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Oct 16, 2025 9:08 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Did

you watch the NLCS?

They played like S***. This is a very good team, but that’s gotta be a troubling sign.

by alskor on Oct 16, 2025 2:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

What I'd Do

I’d sign Burnett or Lowe, Burnett’s high K-Rates and Lowe’s sick GB rates would work well in Wrigley. After that, there’s not much you can add. They’re set in just about every position except CF and SS….however, every team has it’s weaknesses. CC would help them quite a bit…but who even knows if they can afford him or want to make that commitment. DeRosa in right and Fukudome in center, while adding Orlando Hudson isn’t a terrible idea…but still, the team needs a bit more. If the Yankees let Demaso Marte go, he may be a good addition for the cubs.

by Faggot Smasher on Oct 18, 2025 7:29 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Ummm....

So, about your username…

www.loftylantern.com

by OldProspects on Oct 19, 2025 12:07 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

LOL!

How could he lose the ball in the sun....he's from Mexico.

by Hoytsstash on Oct 19, 2025 6:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

LOL!

How could he lose the ball in the sun....he's from Mexico.

by Hoytsstash on Oct 19, 2025 8:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I hear ya bro, I hear ya !

How could he lose the ball in the sun....he's from Mexico.

by Hoytsstash on Oct 19, 2025 9:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs


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