You're the GM! Royals Edition
Ok, we did the Royals Top 20 yesterday. Now let's say you are the GM. How do you continue making progress with this team? Do you sign another big free agent this winter, and if so, who? How do you improve the offense? Can you lock Greinke up, or should you trade him?
The ghost of Ewing Kauffman urges you on...
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I think you have to deal Zach
Ask him what he wants to sign. If its to high, then deal him. This team is a few years away from pulling a Rays. I like the guys at the top of the system. But why bother paying any FA any money while your a 75 win team. They need to get Butler in as the permanant DH. Let Gordon continue to develop and wait for the other young hitters… And for god sake, can the manager let Kia play 1B all year and see what they have.. Come on, Ross Gload??? So stupid. And it was stupid to sign Guillen, dump him now before he ruins the kids… They finally seem to have things right, just keep drafting smart, stay away from the FA market and play the kids. Maybe Grienke can net them a high ceiling but a few years away prospects. Maybe deal him to the Dodgers, Brewers, Yankees, anybody that will be searching for SP obviously…Thats the short version of what they need to do…
by Maxima231 on
Oct 16, 2025 2:20 PM EDT
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You are severely underestimating
The grit of Ross Gload. At your peril!
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by RoyalsRetro on
Oct 16, 2025 3:16 PM EDT
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at this point
they should still be in “stockpile assets” mode. you do that through the rule 5 draft, waiver pickups, and minor trades.
i’d say their best bet would be one more year of signing guys like hank blalock, josh bard, and juan rivera, then another bold rule 4 draft, followed by brisk july selling off their aging tradeable assets for more young players,
they can win with the core they currently have:
C:
1B: hosmer
2B: moosetacos??
3B: gordon
SS: aviles
LF:
CF:
RF: teahen
DH: butler
they really just need their young guys to progress to an 80 or so win team and get the fan base and management believing in them enough to land a single top tier free agent.
When they should be sacrifice bunting, they are buying effeminate designer jeans. When they should be fouling off pitches, they are masturbating. Always, they are masturbating.
by variablesdont on
Oct 16, 2025 2:25 PM EDT
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Hmmm?
Are you suggesting that they bring Hosmer and Moustakas up to play in the majors this year?
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by OldProspects on
Oct 16, 2025 3:13 PM EDT
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in 2009? no.
but i think both could play in AA. give them a year and a half there, and they could be ready by mid 2010, and that’s the time frame i think the team should be on.
admittedly, that’s a little bavasian of me, but i think moosetacos could make the jump and hold his head above water, and i think hosmer is an elite bat.
When they should be sacrifice bunting, they are buying effeminate designer jeans. When they should be fouling off pitches, they are masturbating. Always, they are masturbating.
by variablesdont on
Oct 17, 2025 4:42 PM EDT
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If I'm GMDM I start with what I do best
Namely, find good relievers virtually off of others scrap heaps.
Kick Soria out of the Bullpen and promote Ramon Ramirez to Closer with Mahay and Nunez as primary set-up men.
Trade Greinke for a major league ready COF/1B with a big bat + solid prospects.
Replace Greinke in the starting rotation with Soria.
Offensively, the best thing you can do is addition by subtraction, and Royals proved that toward the end of the season when they took at bats away from Gload, Gathright and Pena. If these guys are gone or at least relegated to bench status and replaced with merely average players, you have instant improvement.
Pray that Shealy, Kila or both are for real.
Pray that Gordon, Butler and Hochevar realize their potential.
I wouldn’t jump into the FA market too heavily as I think they will be priced out of most of the top talent and the left overs will be overpaid. Save that money for when your core is developed, then make a splash.
We always did feel the same, We just saw it from a different point of view, Tangled up in blue.
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by Royal Kingdom on
Oct 16, 2025 2:33 PM EDT
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Interesting...
If I’m the GM, first thing is I realize that this team is still at least a year or two away from contention, and that this year’s FA crop is not going to get me there. Stick to the plan and wait for assets from the solid drafts of recent years to yield solid returns.
Work as hard as possible to sign Greinke to a long-term extension, and only consider dealing him if someone offers a knockout deal - at least two top-tier, close to MLB ready prospects (one being a power corner OF guy) and one other solid prospect at lower levels. Leave Soria as the closer. Period. At least four rotation spots are set - Meche, Greinke, and two of the Davies/Bannister/Hochevar group. Assuming he’s healthy, give Carlos Rosa every opportunity to win a spot as a spot starter/long-man. I think he will thrive if the Royals take the Greinke/Billingsley route with him.
In the field, work with what you have and continue to give young guys a chance to turn their potential into stardom. Leave Gordon at 3B, Butler at DH and hope they get there. Don’t sign Furcal or Hudson, who are guaranteed to be overpaid this offseason. Leave Aviles at SS and hope he does not regress too much. Give Callaspo a chance to be the regular 2B. Don’t let Ross Gload be your regular 1B - give Shealy and Kila a chance to prove they can provide the missing power in the middle of the order. Explore dealing DDJ for prospects, otherwise keep him in CF. Ditto for Guillen, though I think in reality the Royals are stuck with him. Sign Raul Ibanez to a one or two year deal to man the other corner OF spot. Maximize Teahen’s value as a versatile supersub who can play any OF spot and both IF corners - kind of like a Chone Figgins with more power but less speed. This will up his value to the Royals as well as his trade value.
Cut ties with - Miguel Olivo, Jimmy Gobble, Tony Pena, Joey Gathright.
In the minors, explore trading some of the many promising arms at lower-levels for hitting. Only Moustakas and Hosmer are untouchable at this point.
Looking for a new team.
by DC Royal on
Oct 16, 2025 2:46 PM EDT
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I agree for the most part
But I’d keep Olivo if we can bandage his relations with Hillman. He’s likely to be a good cheap catcher, even if he doesn’t replicate his offensive output. I’d inquire about what I can get for Guillen, but I wouldn’t sell him for a rosin bag. I’d want at least a B level prospect if it’s there. Teahen is trade-bait for me.
by killa on
Oct 16, 2025 7:24 PM EDT
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DMGM
Trade Greinke to Texas for Davis, Cruz, Salty, Arias, and Harrison
Ramirez to Closer
C - Jarrod Saltalaamachia
C - John Buck
1B - Chris Davis
2B - Juaquin Arias
SS - Mike Aviles
3B - Alex Gordon
IF - Alberto Callaspo
IF - Esteban German
LF - Mark Teahen
CF - David DeJesus
RF - Nelson Cruz
OF - Joey Gathright
DH - Billy Butler
SP - Gil Meche
SP - Matt Harrison
SP - Brian Bannister
SP - Luke Hochevar
SP - Kyle Davies
RP - Ron Mahay
RP - Jimmy Gobble
RP - Joel Peralta
RP - Robinson Tejeda
RP - Joakim Soria
RP - Leo Nunez
CL - Ramon Ramirez
by fds on
Oct 16, 2025 2:49 PM EDT
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throw in...
If texas is willing to throw in josh hamilton and frank francisco, I’d second your trade idea.
by tuna411 on
Oct 16, 2025 3:04 PM EDT
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and you would be hung up on.
At this rate, he’ll be throwing 107-110 by 2012
by trident on
Oct 16, 2025 3:10 PM EDT
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I'd demand Nolan Ryan
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by RoyalsRetro on
Oct 16, 2025 3:14 PM EDT
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and a no-hitter
That’s a deal there.
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by 306008 on
Oct 16, 2025 3:54 PM EDT
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he brings 10,000 extra people to the gate every night!
everyone loves to see 6 pitch walks to the replacement-level catcher! He didn’t give in!
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by devil_fingers on
Oct 16, 2025 4:30 PM EDT
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what have you done with Guillen?
We always did feel the same, We just saw it from a different point of view, Tangled up in blue.
-Bob Dylan
by Royal Kingdom on
Oct 16, 2025 3:06 PM EDT
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Trade
I would dump him off for prospects to help build for the future
by fds on
Oct 16, 2025 3:07 PM EDT
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If Madonna can get him
He can’t be that hard to get.
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by RoyalsRetro on
Oct 16, 2025 3:15 PM EDT
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easier said than done
At this rate, he’ll be throwing 107-110 by 2012
by trident on
Oct 16, 2025 3:09 PM EDT
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I think there are appropriate prospects to be had for Guillen
I think he could easily garner Calvin Pickering, Adam Piatt, or maybe even Todd van Poppel if the Royals were willing to eat at least half o the salary.
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by devil_fingers on
Oct 16, 2025 4:31 PM EDT
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Couldn't they get
Cal Pickering to eat the salary? I don’t think there are many things he won’t eat.
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by RoyalsRetro on
Oct 16, 2025 4:36 PM EDT
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exactly
I was going to write the same thing. If I’m the Royals gm I do the deal without thinking as Salty, Hurley/Harrison, Cruz, Arias, Pimentel for Grienke, Ramirez (deal proposed by Jamey at the great rangers site newbergreport.com) . No brainer.
Probably try to sign Dallas McPhearson as a MiL FA. Try to pick up a reliever in the rule 5. Basically stockpile.
by bushe on
Oct 16, 2025 3:14 PM EDT
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Newberg Report
Did you go to the Newberg report day at the ballpark this year? Having bot Joe Sheehan and Will Carroll there was pretty awesome.
by wolviex18 on
Oct 16, 2025 9:44 PM EDT
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missed it :(
Jamey has a bad habit of scheduling that on the day that I’m out of town.
by bushe on
Oct 17, 2025 8:56 AM EDT
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Grienke
I think their best course of action, in regards to Zach, would be to trade Meche and his big contract, and use the extra money to sign Grienke long term.
by Birdfan01 on
Oct 16, 2025 3:04 PM EDT
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Royals
This is a transition year, a year to move from “below average” to “mediocre.” This needs to be an evaluation year, to find out who can be part of a future contender, and who is dreck that can be cleared.
-Sign Greinke to a long-term deal. If he is unwilling, listen to offers for him, but don’t accept anything less than a Dan Haren-type deal. They should get at least one prospect who looks like an impact player, and probably at least 2-3 other solid prospects. Otherwise, keep him and listen to offers over the next year.
-Release Ross Gload. He clogs the roster
-Non-tender Jimmy Gobble, Joel Peralta, Joey Gathright
-Look to trade Jose Guillen. Be prepared to not get full value for him. Atlanta (for Jeff Franceour?), Washington (for Austin Kearns and a minor leaguer?) and the NY Mets (for Luis Castillo and Nick Evans?) could be possibilities. Be flexible with a deal and be prepared to eat some money if necessary.
-Sign OF Juan Rivera
-Sign a backup OF who can hit lefties like Bobby Kielty
-Look for a deal for Mark Teahen. Jason Kubel for Mark Teahen makes some sense. Michael Cuddyer would be even nicer.
CF David DeJesus
2B Alberto Callaspo
DH Billy Butler
RF Jason Kubel
LF Juan Rivera
3B Alex Gordon
SS Mike Aviles
1B Ryan Shealy (Kila Kaahiue could take this job by mid-season if Shealy fails to hit)
C John Buck
Bench: C Brayan Pena, IF Tony Pena, IF Esteban German, OF Mitch Maier, OF Bobby Kielty
SP Zack Greinke
SP Gil Meche
SP Luke Hochevar
SP Kyle Davies
SP Brian Bannister
Other rotation candidates later in the year: Carlos Rosa, Dan Cortes, stock up on some minor league free agents too
RP Ron Mahay (look to trade for minor leaguers)
RP Leo Nunez
RP Robinson Tejada
RP Neal Musser
RP Ramon Ramirez
RP Joakim Soria
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by RoyalsRetro on
Oct 16, 2025 3:07 PM EDT
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I guess I should add
If you get a Franceour or Kearns for Guillen, you don’t need to get Juan Rivera and his magical bat of fun.
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by RoyalsRetro on
Oct 16, 2025 3:17 PM EDT
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"magical bat of fun"
yikes
Is that what they used on Stairs after his big home run?
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by devil_fingers on
Oct 16, 2025 4:33 PM EDT
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ya but so does Guillen
although maybe not as badly as Francoeur. It might be a nice gamble to see if you can get him to rebound…
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by doublestix on
Oct 17, 2025 3:21 AM EDT
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Francoeur's about $11.5 million less than JoGui
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by devil_fingers on
Oct 17, 2025 8:53 AM EDT
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do it.
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by 306008 on
Oct 17, 2025 3:40 PM EDT
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Sorry Retro
usually agree with you, but Cuddyer is barely better than Teahen with the bat, and barely better than Kubel in the field. So I guess I do kind of agree with you. Kubel might be a bit better than Teahen.
Juan Rivera may or may not be done. I wouldn’t pay more than $5 million/year for him, and that’s a stretch. Wuold rather have Hinske at that price. Better yet, sign Russell Branyan to less than 1 million. He can’t play the outfield all that well, but would still give you Guillen-esque production.
The Guillen contract is a major albatross. In my books, the $55 milllion of “trust” DMGM got out of the Meche deal just got discounted by $36 million, plus the embarrassing (if less devastating) Gload deal. I could have figured that out after one night of reading about linear weights and the cost of marginal wins. It’s the Bravest way to “win now!” I suppose.
Gotta have Soria in the rotation. That’s a $10-$20 million dollar move alone.
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by devil_fingers on
Oct 16, 2025 4:37 PM EDT
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You are a commie and a terrorist
I think Cuddyer is significantly better than Teahen, particularly in the “slug” (thanks for that term Trey).
Cuddyer lifetime SLG: .441
Teahen lifetime SLG: .421
Both had an aberrant .500 SLG season, but Teahen’s norm seems to be around .400, while Cuddyer’s norm seems to be around .430 - .440. I think that’s a significant difference. The only problem is Cuddyer is about to get really expensive. Kubel has even better SLG numbers, but seems to be rather susceptible to lefties, reducing his utility. Perhaps a Kubel/Rivera platoon would work, but that’s investing a lot in a platoon.
I don’t think Rivera would require much more than $3-4 million a year on a two year deal. Branyan would be interesting. Imagine a Russ Branyan/Wily Mo Pena platoon! 40 home runs and 400 strikeouts! Woo-hoo! Three true outcomes!
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by RoyalsRetro on
Oct 16, 2025 4:48 PM EDT
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I just did a simple regression based on wOBA and what UZR stuff I could find. Based on the last 4 years, Cuddyer roughly projects to one run better overall. Based on the last 3 years, he’s barely better. Cuddyer is 30.Teahen is 26. Cuddyer’s Props are also trending down, as is his defense. He also has a platoon split to the less favorable side than Kubel. Also, OBP>SLG, as you know.
Kubel’s defensive sample sizes are small — he actually comes out OK, but I suspect its SSS issues. Then again, the Twins let Delmon go out there day after day in order to insure he was a below replacement level player, so maybe they’re missing the boat. Kubel’s offensive projection is marred by a brutual 2006, but he’s only 26. Even if his defense is as bad as Cuddyer’s, he cearlly the superior hitter at this point. It’s easier to find a platoon partner to hit lefties than to hit righties (hello Matt Stairs!).
I don’t mind Juan Rivera. It would be like getting another Jose Gullen, except perhaps at an appropriate price. Hopefully, this Jose Guillen would at least be replacement level. It’s tough. Rivera’s been hurt. He doesn’t have a platoon split. His defensive numbers from a few years back before he broke the leg aren’t bad, but since then, he’s pretty awful.
Guys like Russ Branyan might produce half a win over replacement at a discount price. It’s better than spending 6 or 12 million a year for a guy like that. Hell, in a small sample size in Milwakee this year, Branyan was a win above average. Branyan’s probably a worse outfielder than all these guys, but in platoon/part time duty, he’s also been the best hitter over the last few years. A great pickup for any team for even 1.5 millino next year. They’ll burn that on a crappy reliever anyway.
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by devil_fingers on
Oct 16, 2025 5:46 PM EDT
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RUSS BRANYAN NOW!
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by RoyalsRetro on
Oct 16, 2025 10:59 PM EDT
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1.5 million was an overstatement
but yeah, RUSS NOW
I’m just worried the other Russ would get angry. Two Russes… you know what that means…
(wait for it)
CONFUSION IN THE CLUBHOUSE
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by devil_fingers on
Oct 17, 2025 8:54 AM EDT
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I know its an inner division trade but it wouldn’t be a bad idea for the Royals to trade for Kelly Shoppach of the Indians.
The thing about the Indians is they have pitching depth when it comes to bottom of the rotation starters but not top of the rotation starters.
The Royals might be able to swing a Greinke deal for a package headlined by Shoppach and one of Scott Lewis, Aaron Laffey, Zach Jackson, Sowers plus additional solid prospects.
by world dictator on
Oct 16, 2025 3:12 PM EDT
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I don't see those pitchers
As having the potential to become top of the rotation guys like Greinke, so it doesn’t make sense to swing that trade.
Also, the Royals system is much more pitching heavy than hitting heavy, so in a trade, they’d probably be more interested in hitters.
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by RoyalsRetro on
Oct 16, 2025 3:16 PM EDT
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How familiar are you
with the Rangers system?
At this rate, he’ll be throwing 107-110 by 2012
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Oct 16, 2025 3:18 PM EDT
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Eh, not particularly
I’ve heard of their top prospects. I like Harrison, I like Chris Davis, I’m not as high on their shortstop prospects. I like their catching prospects. Texas seems to match up with the Royals needs very well, but I’m not as certain they are willing to part with the players the Royals would want.
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by RoyalsRetro on
Oct 16, 2025 3:24 PM EDT
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I think
we’ll find out soon enough :-)
At this rate, he’ll be throwing 107-110 by 2012
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Oct 16, 2025 3:25 PM EDT
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Jon Daniels? Is that you?
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by RoyalsRetro on
Oct 16, 2025 3:28 PM EDT
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If I was JD
I’d figure out just how available Mr. Greinke really is, and I would put together a decent and proper package that both teams could agree on if he truly is available. I think the teams match up nicely together, as we both have pieces the other needs. You guys really need a catcher, we have Salty/Max/Laird/Tea, you guys need 1B, we have Davis/Blalock, you need COF we haveMayberry/Cruz/Murphy. I think we can find a deal as long as DMGM is really willing to move him.
At this rate, he’ll be throwing 107-110 by 2012
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Oct 16, 2025 3:33 PM EDT
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This is a popular idea
Texas has a C surplus, but unless they give one of them (Teagarden, Max, Salty, etc.) plus a Feliz/top SP prospect, I don’t think the Royals should bite.
by killa on
Oct 17, 2025 12:19 AM EDT
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Horrible
Idea for my 2 cents. Exactly what out of that, other than a C who holds the line for 3 years, would the Royals want to rebuild with?
by killa on
Oct 17, 2025 12:17 AM EDT
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+1
Amen dude…
Add that to the fact we’d have to face him 3-6 times per year. Ugh.
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by doublestix on
Oct 17, 2025 1:28 AM EDT
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He'd probably kill a Royal with a pitch to the head, too
for letting Emil go
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by devil_fingers on
Oct 17, 2025 8:55 AM EDT
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Could have an interesting debate on WHO he would hit...
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by doublestix on
Oct 17, 2025 11:33 AM EDT
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I'm no major leaguer
but aren’t you supposed to go after the guy at the same position for payback?
That almost makes the trade worth it, if you ask me.
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by devil_fingers on
Oct 17, 2025 8:56 PM EDT
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Ramon Ramirez?
I’d like some more info on him. Why does everyone in this thread think he should be moved to closer when Soria showed last year that he is one of the best in the game? This guy can’t possibly be better than Soria. And I’m not so sure about moving an elite-level closer like Soria to the rotation. Seems he likes the closer role.
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Oct 16, 2025 3:22 PM EDT
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Yeah, seems weird for Ramirez to be called on to close
unless you are moving Soria to the rotation. He didn’t have any problems closing last year.
At this rate, he’ll be throwing 107-110 by 2012
by trident on
Oct 16, 2025 3:25 PM EDT
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Well...
Soria used to be a SP…I personally don’t believe in messing with a good thing. That said, Ramon was absolutely nasty when healthy, and has the 2 pitch power prfile (I don’t know about makeup) to be a closer. He was stolen from the Rox Org, where he didn’t have a solid chance to be an RP. Soria is an excellent RP, but I’m not sure a 4.00 ERA as an SP is as valuable. And I think that’s an optimistic view of what we’d get.
by killa on
Oct 17, 2025 12:22 AM EDT
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Because
Soria would be a huge improvement over Brian Bannister, while Ramirez would not be a huge dropoff from Soria in the closer’s role. Soria was a very effective starter in the Mexican League and has the four pitch repertoire to be able to succeed as a starting pitcher.
Its not going to happen, at least for this year. Dayton and Trey have pretty much ruled it out. But there is hope for the future.
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by RoyalsRetro on
Oct 16, 2025 3:25 PM EDT
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Many closers become closers because they
have one good pitch, or they were failed starters and just “rose to the top” of the bullpen. Soria did neither, he was a rule 5, who was “protected” in the bullpen, even though he was a natural starter and has a “starter’s repetoire”. But a funny thing happened, he excelled in the bullpen, rose to the top and became closer due to injury. So, he has never even been given a shot as a starter. If he is really that good then 200 innings as a starter will be more valuable than 60 innings as a closer. PLUS, if you look at situational stats, Ram Ram may have been even a better reliever, but nobody would ever know because all anybody cares about are saves…
We always did feel the same, We just saw it from a different point of view, Tangled up in blue.
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by Royal Kingdom on
Oct 16, 2025 3:29 PM EDT
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Because CarRamRod love is rampant right now!
I am in no way for Soria leaving his closers job. I want him to stay there. He is one of the best in the game. Keep him there. We’ll find other starters. RamRam will be fine as a setup guy. Unless we overuse the power change next year.
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Oct 16, 2025 4:01 PM EDT
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Because Soria is 2-4 more wins valuble int he rotation
and although Ramirez can’t start, as a reliever, every fielding independent stat has him superior to Soria this year.
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by devil_fingers on
Oct 16, 2025 4:39 PM EDT
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Heres a trade
Chris Davis, Jarrod Saltalamacchia, John Mayberry Jr, Eric Hurley, Marcus Lemon for Greinke and Ramon Ramirez
Do you do it?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
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Oct 16, 2025 3:40 PM EDT
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I would jump on it as a Royals fan
Can’t see the Rangers offering quite that much though.
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by RoyalsRetro on
Oct 16, 2025 3:42 PM EDT
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No
dominant starter and reliever for a pretty good power hitter with a good half rookie year that looks a hell of a lot like jeff francoeur’s, a catcher who has yet to perform in roughly a year’s worth of ab’s, a 25 yo corner IF that looks like the second coming of Jose Guillen, a back end starter (possibly a chance to be a bit better), and a pretty decent SS prospect who is a long way’s away.
Seems to be a lot of smoke and mirrors here.
I think Greinke starts at Feliz/Holland and then we talk about a few of the aforementioned guys.
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Oct 16, 2025 4:47 PM EDT
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Davis
Umm the guy is more in the Ryan Howard mold than Jeff Francouer. He is going to be a stud. The only reason his name is even being thrown around is because the Rangers have Justin Smoak who should be ML ready by the end of next season.
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Oct 16, 2025 5:44 PM EDT
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The Rangers would be crazy to deal Davis for Greinke. Davis can be controlled by the team for the next 6 years while Greinke is a free agent afer 2010. I assume Greinke is going to want around 15 million per, making that deal completely nuts.
by wolviex18 on
Oct 16, 2025 9:53 PM EDT
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So
No minor leaguers should be dealt for Greinke?
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by RoyalsRetro on
Oct 16, 2025 11:00 PM EDT
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that's not what he said
I don’t think you can put Davis in the minor league category anymore anyhow, but even if he was he probably would have been MiL POTY this year. If the Rangers give up CD by himself for Grienke it would be a disaster in the same league as the Bedard deal was for Seattle last year.
by bushe on
Oct 17, 2025 9:08 AM EDT
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Not saying that
I could see the rangers dealing Salt, Hurley or Harrison, and another middle tier prospect for Greinke. But I dont think they would or should give up Davis, Andrus, Holland or Feliz for a guy two years from free agency unless the pitcher they got back was top top pitcher (think Peavy), which Greinke is not.
by wolviex18 on
Oct 17, 2025 9:10 AM EDT
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interesting debate.... Peavy vs. Grienke
Why is ZG not on the JP level?
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by 306008 on
Oct 17, 2025 3:42 PM EDT
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Grienke to Texas for
Kinsler, Salty, Cruz
and that is ONLY if Grienke won’t sign long term.
Sign Alex Gordon to a life time contract!!!
by eboston on
Oct 16, 2025 3:47 PM EDT
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what about Bannister
to texas for one of their outfielder (cruz,murphy) or max ram?
by gordonrules on
Oct 16, 2025 4:23 PM EDT
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I like
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by RoyalsRetro on
Oct 16, 2025 4:27 PM EDT
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+1
Rowdy Hardy is off the table, though
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by devil_fingers on
Oct 16, 2025 4:40 PM EDT
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+2
This is obvious though.
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by doublestix on
Oct 17, 2025 1:29 AM EDT
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Greinke is likely the key.
Looks like to me that the Royals need two powerbats without losing effectiveness in the pitching staff in order to be .500 or better.
If Greinke can get two young ML power bats (and a potential replacement for Greinke), that has to be considered the quickest route to raising the team to a respectable level the next few years while they have Meche and hope to break in the likes of Rosa/Cortes/Gutierrez.
Best trade partners for Greinke (or Meche?) will be the Dodgers, Rangers, Boston, Colorado?, Nationals? If Drayton is really good, he would get a bidding war going on between Dodgers, Boston, and Texas for Greinke. We all know Texas covets Greinke.
What to get from a trade of Greinke?
Boston: Lars, Masterson (or Bowden), Ellsbury (or Lowrie)
Texas: Davis, Hurley (or Harrison), Cruz (or Boggs)
Dodgers: Kemp (or Ethier), LaRoche, Meloan
Colorado: Holliday, Stewart (or Nix), Jhoulys Chacin
Nationals: Zimmerman, Milledge, Jordan Zimmerman
Short of that, it’s hard to see how the Royals would improve by moving Greinke.
If that doesn’t happen, a package of Kila and Rosa or Cortez or Duffy will have to be used to bring in a young OFer or maybe a C with some upside in his bat. If Drayton were able to do this, he would be worth way more than he’s paid. So, it’s hard to see how the Royals will be able to round out their ML team without moving Greinke.
Let’s say one of the big deals go down. I’ll pick one at random. Boston. Shealy sticks around but it’s hard to imagine Lars not knocking down the door mid-season.
Ellsbury
DeJesus
Callaspo
Guillen
Gordon
Butler
Shealy/Lars
Aviles
Buck
Meche
Masterson
Hochevar
Bannister
Davies
Still have some trade chips in Kila, Shealy, Cortes, Rosa, Duffy, Blake Wood, Guttierez for a possible deadline deal if a magical season happens.
Go Rangers!
by rooster on
Oct 16, 2025 5:55 PM EDT
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Dodgers no longer have LaRoche
He’s a Pirate now.
by demondeaconsbaseball on
Oct 16, 2025 8:47 PM EDT
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And Meloan is an Indian
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by WaddellCanseco on
Oct 18, 2025 12:52 AM EDT
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This is insanity
You guys are completely overvrating Greinke’s market value. Ellsbury, Davis, Kemp, Holliday? You are not getting any of those guys for him.
by wolviex18 on
Oct 16, 2025 9:57 PM EDT
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You don't think the Red Sox would deal Ellbsury for Greinke?
They’re the same age. Ellsbury had, this year, an OPS+ of 89, which isn’t terrible for a 24 year old CF who is also a good defensive player who can steal bases, but isn’t exactly terrific either. Greinke, on the other hand, has had ERA+s of 127 and 131, and has seemed to get increasingly strong since his troubles in 2005 and 2006. Matt Kemp is a good hitting outfielder, but not even close to Greinke’s caliber. The Royals can easily expect Kemp or Ellsbury + for Greinke. Matt Holliday has had terrific years, but nobody is quite sure how good he’ll be outside of Colorado. Chris Davis is a very good hitter, but considering he’s a 1B, there’s a reasonable case that Greinke’s more valuable, even considering salary issues
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by OldProspects on
Oct 16, 2025 10:18 PM EDT
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Well..
I think the Red Sox need what Ellsbury brings to the table much more than they need Greinke. I my personnal opinion Kemp is going to be an absolute beast, the same goes for Davis. The real issue with those 3 is that they have alreay established good performance levels despite the fact that they are so far from free agency. As for Holiday, I just dont think they could sell the deal to there fans. The guy is the face of the franchise, to move him I think they would have to get a Texiera to Atlanta type haul to justify the deal.
The wording of my post may make it appear that I dont like Greinke. That is not the case, I think he is a very good pitcher. But with his young age, the guy is going to get a monster deal when he hits free agency. I said 15 million per earlier but now that i think about it he will probably be looking at a Zito type deal at the least. It is bad business for 90% of major league teams to give out that type of deal.
by wolviex18 on
Oct 17, 2025 9:27 AM EDT
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Greinke = 4 wins over replacement
that’s a $18-20 million/year pitcher in today’s market, easily
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by devil_fingers on
Oct 16, 2025 10:27 PM EDT
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Whether he's worth that or not, that's the value the Royals need if they trade him.
He’s without a doubt one of the most valuable 25 and under pitchers in the majors.
Go Rangers!
by rooster on
Oct 16, 2025 11:21 PM EDT
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this ^^^
exactly what i’ve been saying for months.
maybe the deals proposed aren’t completely “fair,” but that’s what it’ll take.
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by doublestix on
Oct 17, 2025 12:25 AM EDT
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That's where the fun begins.
If Greinke doesn’t get that, what would need to be added to get the deal done. Whether the Royals deal Greinke or not, that is what their team needs. If they don’t get it by dealing Greinke, they will either need to get it through FA or their farm. They do not have very many possibilities on the farm. The only guys on the farm of the caliber above are in a best case scenario 2 years away. By then, Greinke could be on the FA market.
How important are Ramirez/Rosa/Cortes/Duffy to the Royals the next 2-5 years? Those are the names that need to be added to Greinke if he isn’t sufficient to bring back to ML powerbats.
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by rooster on
Oct 17, 2025 9:50 AM EDT
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Hmm..
So you’re saying that you wouldn’t trade Ellsbury, a 4th outfielder, for Greinke, a future ace???
by schmosterballs92 on
Oct 17, 2025 1:30 PM EDT
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4th OF?
Really? How many teams in the league does he not start for? The only team in the entire league he may not start for is the Dodgers after they got Manny.
by wolviex18 on
Oct 18, 2025 6:38 AM EDT
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The Tigers, for one
Ordonez/Granderson/Joyce-Thames. Who does he start over there?
Look, Tacoby could land up being a solid young player, but right now he’s a 4th OF, maybe a starter on some teams. He just doesn’t have the track record to be a centerpiece for a big package of players.
by demondeaconsbaseball on
Oct 18, 2025 8:39 PM EDT
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Trade
Dodgers traded away both LaRoche and Meloan. I don’t think they need to Greinke anyway. They a lot of young pitching and need offense. You don’t trade away a weakness to build on a strength.
by count sutton on
Oct 16, 2025 11:15 PM EDT
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Shows how much I pay attention to West Coast teams.
Boston and Texas would’ve been better matches anyway.
Go Rangers!
by rooster on
Oct 16, 2025 11:24 PM EDT
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??
Really? Not one of those trades seems marginally acceptable for 2 years of ZG. Maybe one headliner and an add on, but the idea that you will get a very good MLB player PLUS 2-3 elite prospects is laughable.
Use the Bedard trade as a guide. I would say that Bedard’s value last year is equal to or greater then the value of ZG this year.
The Orioles got one elite prospect, Tillman, who was in A ball at the time. They got a useful set up man who they turned into an average closer in Sherrill, and an above average talent at OF in Jones, who was also unproven. Plus two low level prospects.
After that blew up I think teams will be less likely to make such a blockbuster deal for a single pitcher, and you are asking for more then the Orioles got.
I think the Rangers will make it work, but I expect it to be Salty/Max (sounds like a fun snackfood) plus a couple lower tier arms or one of their OFs
by ADLC on
Oct 17, 2025 2:20 AM EDT
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Jones
was definitely an elite prospect and much more so than Tillman last winter.
by bushe on
Oct 17, 2025 9:14 AM EDT
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Why Greinke?
Meche’s salary is incredibly reasonable considering the ghost of Carlos Silva, and you’re likely to get more for Meche than for Grinke, who, tho his upside is enticing, has had his bumps along the way.
One or more of the “big boys” (NY, NY, Bos, LA, StL) is going to lose out on Sabathia/Sheets/Burnett. Meche is VERY,VERY desireable to a team that’s looking for a pretty good #3 starter whose a #2 in more than one rotation.
Its a team that needs to grow; you need to see if Butler/Gordon are better than they’ve shown, and the only way to do that is to run them out there everyday.
Then see who you can dump Guillen off to…….
by eddiebressoud on
Oct 16, 2025 6:16 PM EDT
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Meche has a limited no trade clause
And I think you’d get way more for Greinke, who is cheap, young, and has high upside, than Meche, who is expensive, older, and has an erratic history.
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by RoyalsRetro on
Oct 16, 2025 11:01 PM EDT
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No trade cluse
No way Meche wants out of KC, when he has the Bravest young GM in the game, a innovative manager with Japanese experience (fundamentals!), a great clubhouse environment, and Gold Glove defense at 1B locked up through 2009 (with a club option for 2010!!111).
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Oct 17, 2025 8:59 AM EDT
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I'm not saying that the Rays are the perfect model...
but, one of the advantages of being at the bottom is that you can take a chance on some prospects who were once highly regarded, but whose star has faded somewhat but are young enough to be resurrected (e.g. Navarro, Jackson, etc). Plus, I would engage in the practice of flipping assets. Teams are always on the lookout for relievers and role players for the stretch run and you might be able to get a couple good prospects in return. Should you come across a Josh Hamilton type of player, you obviously keep those ones.
Other than that stick to the plan and continue to draft well. I would always be open to trading a player who probably won’t be on the team when it’s ready to contend.
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Oct 16, 2025 7:47 PM EDT
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I like that strategy as well
Any targets this offseason for guys that were once highly regarded but have fallen on hard times? Melky Cabrera?
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by RoyalsRetro on
Oct 16, 2025 11:02 PM EDT
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Ryan Langerhans was waived yesterday
but everyone passed on him. That should tell us something.
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by devil_fingers on
Oct 17, 2025 9:00 AM EDT
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Not much to do immediately
I think people are over-valuing the trade market. The Royals don’t have many assets to deal away and they will not rebuild the entire farm system by dealing away one player. That said, Guillen and Teahen are two bad players with little or no value on the market. I have not had a chance to look at everything for the Royals, but they should not be very active this offseason.
C: Buck, Olivo (exercise his option)
1B: Shealy, Kila Ka’aihue
2B: Callaspo
SS: Aviles
3B: Gordon
OF: Guillen
OF: DeJesus
OF: Teahen
DH: Butler
Bench: Gload, German, Gathright, Maier
SP: Meche, Greinke, Hochevar, Soria, Davies
RP: Ramirez, Mahay, Nunez, Pena (yes, Tony Pena Jr), Peralta, Yabuta
It’s a place to start anyway. This roster is very close to 2008. Grudz is gone. Bannister and Bale are gone. Once Gload’s contract expires after 2009, he is gone too.
If I were to get into the market over the offseason, it would be to get another bat. I would look at Pat Burrell and bench or non-tender Teahen if that happens.
by count sutton on
Oct 16, 2025 11:30 PM EDT
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Bannister and Bale
went where? Bale is a really good relief pitcher,who can get both righties and lefties out. Banny had a down year but I think it is entirley too early to give up on him entirely. Now if he is traded for an outfielder or other useful part thats ok..Soria will not start. Management has said so already. I am suprised to see Yabuta on your roster too. He was more or less awful this year. Teahan will not start the year as an every day outfielder either. He was more than exposed this year. He can be a useful super sub but nothing more.
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Oct 16, 2025 11:58 PM EDT
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Teahen is tough
I agree that he’s likely a fourth outfielder. Guillen’s contract makes it impossible to start Teahen over him, but when you figure in defense, Teahen was more valuble this year (and by “more valuable,” I mean “around replacement level”). Of course, Emil Brown was also more valuble than Guillen. Teahen’s also 26 and might improve. A Teahen/Guillen platoon might actually lead to something resembling league average production (Guillen’s bat actually overcomes his glove against lefties, Teahen would probably be above replacement level just facing righties). Of course that won’t happen. The Royals need to hope that Guillen gets on another hot streak early next year, and then Royals fans should hope that Dayton Moore is bright enough to trade him and his contract away for an appropriate asset in return, say, some seat cushions.
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by devil_fingers on
Oct 17, 2025 9:04 AM EDT
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I am not big on Bale or Bannister. The Royals do not have a contractual obligation to Bale right now. He was signed as a free agent to a 2 year deal that ended in 2008. Banny just is not very good. I don’t think he had a down year in ‘08; I believe he had a career year in ’07. Again, I don’t Bannister has trade value; otherwise, I would advocate trading him.
Yabuta is awful, but he signed a guaranteed MLB deal. The Royals can lose just as easily with him as they can without him, but this way they get some innings for the money.
I agree that Teahen is not good enough to be an MLB regular. There is not anyone I could think of to start in his place. I think the OF free agent market is OK this year, which is why I stated that if I were to pursue an FA it would be an OF bat that would send Teahen to the bench.
by count sutton on
Oct 17, 2025 9:52 AM EDT
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You're converting Tony Pena, Jr to pitcher at the major league level?
Or are you trading him to the Diamondbacks for Tony Pena and adding a Jr to his name for no reason?
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by WaddellCanseco on
Oct 18, 2025 1:00 AM EDT
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Tony Pena Jr, closed out a game for the Royals this yearm
i believe his fastball was hitting in the 90’s, with some movement.. hes a legit pitching prospect hehe
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by cfizzle on
Oct 18, 2025 7:09 AM EDT
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I can see converting him to pitcher, but I assumed he'd need time in the minors. Doesn't he?
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by WaddellCanseco on
Oct 19, 2025 1:47 AM EDT
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honestly
I was at his first game and he was filthy. I think he can pitch at the MLB level.
by count sutton on
Oct 18, 2025 2:11 PM EDT
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Royals 2009
2B Callaspo
SS Aviles
CF DeJesus
3B Gordon
1B Shealy/Ka’aihue
DH Butler
OF Guillen
OF ??
CA Buck
Bench
Ka’aihue
Olivo
German
MIF ??
Teahen
SP
Greinke
Meche
Davies ?
Hochevar ?
Bannister?? Duckworth ??
Pen:
Soria
Ramirez
Nunez
Bale
Tejada
Mahay
The biggest needs I see are another corner OF bat, a better IF backup than Pena, and better SP in the back end of the rotation. The bullpen was mostly a strength, so I won’t mess with it too much, but might consider dealing Mahay off a good year at age 37, if I can find a team that will give something of value for a good LHRP.
Most of the other guys not listed don’t have much value, just guys who will have to be released or DFA. I might try shopping Teahen, though don’t know if you’ll get much there, and I’d just as soon have him on the bench.
And, there are a lot of key guys here who were under age 25 last year; I think the offense will improve naturally, more than people think, even without adding anyone. Upgrading the rotation behind Greinke and Meche is as important as adding another bat. The young arms can hopefully help fill out the pen and rotation. But I’d still try and add one more proven SP.
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Oct 17, 2025 2:52 AM EDT
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What I would do
-Sign Kevin Millar - good veteran bat, good grit
-Sign David Eckstein - they don’t get any grittier; he can teach our young kids “how to win”
-Sign Josh Fogg - good innings eater
-Trade Zack Greinke and insist on a low-ceiling, MLB-ready shortstop and catcher
-Keep Soria as closer
-Reassure David Glass that “The Plan” is still working
-Signed, Allard Baird
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by RoyalsRetro on
Oct 17, 2025 10:38 AM EDT
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What?!
Millar: they already have a big mess of players at 1B/DH so no
Eckstein: Aviles… let me introduce you to him. He costs a fraction less and will outproduce Eck
Fogg: I’m beginning to think you are in a fog here my friend
Greinke: Sign Eckstein AND trade for a MLB-ready SS? Genius!
Soria: Well, duh
by FanBall on
Oct 17, 2025 11:23 AM EDT
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You forgot
Bring up Dan Cortes and Mike Moustakas immediately.
Why waste more time!!!!!!
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by doublestix on
Oct 17, 2025 11:34 AM EDT
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Bring up Hosmer and Melville too. No use in letting them develop down below.
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by 306008 on
Oct 17, 2025 3:47 PM EDT
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That Allard Baird was so stupid, here's a better (and more likely) plan
-Trade Billy Butler for Jeff Francoeur
-Move Alex Gordon to first base
-Sign Rafael Furcal for 5/85 — playoff experience, fits the team personality profile (former Brave, DUIs, overrated defense, injury problems, doesn’t take too many walks, early 30s)
-Keep Soria as closer
-Trade Zack Greinke and Alex Gordon for Elvis Andrus and Jarrod Saltalamacchia (see team profile above - they’re still working on the rest)
- watch Furcal get hurt, Guillen put in another year at replacement level with league-worst defense, blame the young guys
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by devil_fingers on
Oct 17, 2025 9:02 PM EDT
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Well, with Peavy officially on the market I think the Royals could benefit by dangling Grienke as a runner-up prize or to a team looking to make a prempitve strike like the D-Backs made last year with Haren. You’d have to think any team interested in Peavy would also be interested in Grienke and both the Padres & Royals have similar needs. Texas, LAA, LAD, Atlanta, Boston and the Cardnials all come to mind as potential suitors with young offensive talent available to deal. For the sake of argument lets stick with the Texas theme and say he goes there along with DeJesus for Salty, Davis, Hurley or Harrison & Cruz .
Next, I’d trade Teahan to the Phillies who will need a platoon partner for Jenkins/Stairs with Burrell leaving for Jason Donald who I would move to 2B and a low level pitching prospect with some promise like Sampson or Naylor.
Trade Guillen if you can find the right deal (B level prospect or better) but more likely I’d hold onto him and hope to spin him off midseason to a team in need of a bat.
Sign a low priced CF (Kotsay) to hold down the fort until a better option comes along.
As stated before, get rid of Gload, Gobble & Gathright
Line-up:
SS - Aviles
CF - Kotsay
1B - Davis
DH - Butler
LF - Cruz
RF - Guillen
3B - Gordon
C - Buck
2B - Callaspo (Until Donald is ready mid-season)
Bench:
Oliva
Shealy
Ka’aihue
German
Pena
Rotation:
Meche
Hochevar
Harrison/Hurley
Davies
Bannister
Pen:
Soria
Ramirez
Nunez
Bale
Duckworth
Tejada
Mahay
by sprucemoose on
Oct 17, 2025 12:35 PM EDT
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Teahen platoon
"Teahan to the Phillies who will need a platoon partner for Jenkins/Stairs "
They are all lefties though.
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by RoyalsRetro on
Oct 17, 2025 12:54 PM EDT
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Yeah, but it could be as awesome as the Buck/Olivo righty/righty platoon!
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by devil_fingers on
Oct 17, 2025 8:58 PM EDT
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Right deal for Guillen?
a team willing to take on at leat 80% of his salary and an A-ball reliever
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Oct 17, 2025 8:59 PM EDT
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"Must have no babies"
And the team must ensure that the home fans do not boo him.
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by RoyalsRetro on
Oct 17, 2025 10:27 PM EDT
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I keep Grienke
Trade DDJ, Rosa, and Cortes for Peavy. That gives us a solid starting pitching line for several years. We then need to replace DDJ in the OF with someone. However, a FA OF is going to look and say, they just got one of the best available pitchers. I’ll give that team a shot.
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by 306008 on
Oct 17, 2025 3:57 PM EDT
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prolly wouldn't be enough...although a rotation of peavy-zack-meche would be sick
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by doublestix on
Oct 17, 2025 4:15 PM EDT
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I think Peavy has stated a preference to stay in the NL
and he can veto any trade. Also, I don’t know how much else they can afford in the FA market after taking on Peavy’s contract…not to mention ability to sign Zack long term.
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For this team to be successful there are only two moves that need to be made. Another strong corner OF and another good SP. Soria provides the SP so we need just Ibanez (who could be gotten for probably 8-9 Million for 2 years with a club option at 10 for year 3)
The biggest improvement comes not from getting star players but from getting rid of the bad ones. Without Gload, TPJ or Gathright, this team could win an extra 6-8 games just by bringing league average guys. and with all 3 being replaced by hopefull above average guys in Aviles, Ibanez and Shealy/Ka’aihue, It really isnt farfetched for this team to win 10 more games with no improvements from guys like Hochever, gordon or Butler, and for tehm to win as many as 15 more if those players can really excel.
Line-up:
CF – DDJ
SS – Aviles
1B – Shealy
DH – Butler
LF – Ibanez
RF – Guillen
3B – Gordon
C – Buck
2B – Callaspo
Bench:
Olivo
Ka’aihue(platoon w/ Butler Shealy)
German
Teahen
Rotation:
Greinke
Meche
Soria
Davies
Hochevar
Pen:
Ramirez (Closer)
Nunez
Bale
Duckworth
Tejada
Mahay
Musser
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by RoyalPug on
Oct 17, 2025 5:27 PM EDT
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Good plan
I like that team, and that’s only one addition.
I think I like the idea of Soria to the rotation, but I also might consider dealing him for a good young SP (+) as well, which pretty much accomplishes the same thing. I think he’d be of more value to the Royals in the rotation, but if another team really wants to pay up for an elite closer, it might make sense to shop him.
It makes no sense to me to shop De Jesus or Greinke at this point. But I think there’s a better chance of replacing Soria as a closer, and of getting a premium talent in return from the right team.
by acerimusdux on
Oct 17, 2025 5:52 PM EDT
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The biggest improvement comes not from getting star players but from getting rid of the bad ones.
Bingo.
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by RoyalsRetro on
Oct 17, 2025 10:28 PM EDT
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I don't have the energy to do a full run through but...
Trade Greinke, don’t even try to sign him to an extension. Deal him for the best available package, hopefully it includes a corner OFer with a good bat.
Try to find someone who’ll take Mahay and his $4 million salary off your hands.
Turn around and sign Oliver Perez to a 4 year deal plus an option. Probably cost $13 million annual with a $4 million buy-out.
Bump Soria to the rotation. A front 3 of Soria, Meche, Perz is pretty solid. Look and see what Jon Garland is going to cost. Sign him if you can get him on the cheap.
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by grover on
Oct 18, 2025 6:31 AM EDT
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Oliver Perez is horribly inconsistent. No way the Royals shell out 13 million for him. And I pity the team that does give him that much.
Dealing Mahay isn’t a priority.
Leave Jon Garland the hell alone.
Finally, you don’t just sell off Greinke without trying to sign him long term. That is laughable.
by gordonrules on
Oct 18, 2025 11:00 AM EDT
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Yes, Perez is inconsistent
He’s also 27 and possess a very good arm. I think he’ll gain consistency much like Meche did and be a good mid-rotation SP. I don’t necessarily want to give him a 5 year (total) deal but the Royals suck and they have to put out the biggest, shiniest offer out there to land free agents. Signing Perez is a calculated risk but one that I think will pay off for the Royals.
Mahay earns $4 million next year and isn’t worth half that. I wouldn’t bring him up except I’m not sure what the Royals’ budget situation looks like next year and I wanted to show that the cash should be available to sign Perez.
Garland is a guy who can give you 200 average IP. That has value if you can get him cheap. I certainly wouldn’t give Garland $13 million annual!
If you want to laugh, consider 2 winning seasons in the last 15 years. That’s the Royals’ record of futility. Greinke is two years from free agency, the Royals are at least that long from contending. Greinke would be the 2nd most desired trade target (behind Peavy) if the Royals shopped him. Now understand this, Greinke would not fetch a price like the A’s got for Haren. Dan Haren was traded with 3 cost controlled years ahead of him, Greinke is two years from FA and arby eligible. So I don’t think a 6 player package is possible, but you should be able to land 4 good prospects.
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by grover on
Oct 18, 2025 12:53 PM EDT
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I am now the GM
1a. STAY AWAY FROM FREE AGENTS (at the major league level). There is one exception, which will be discussed later. The Royals will NOT contend in 2009.
1b. Shop Greinke, but do NOT trade him unless you are getting an absolute steal of a package, all in either young, MLB-ready players or top prospects in return. See: Dan Haren deal. Anything less is an abomination. And yes, I’m trying to sign him to an extension.
2. Trade Ron Mahay for a solid prospect or two. Mahay at 4MM/yr is a great deal monetarily for a team needing to upgrade their bullpen, and it doesn’t come with that long-term commitment. The bullpen is the thing you fix right before you contend, not when you’re 2 years or so away. DFA Jimmy Gobble though. He’s sickening dead weight.
3. Move Soria to the rotation. He is MUCH more valuable in the rotation. Greinke-Meche-Soria is a beast at the front of the rotation. Davies is a young solid 4. Hopefully, Hochevar comes through, or Bannister, and takes care of that #5 spot. Condition Ramon Ramirez to be the closer.
4. Try to trade Guillen. I see him as tradable. The Royals might not really get much in VALUE, but getting rid of him is valuable in itself.
5. Trade David DeJesus. He is the Royals’ number one trade chip. Somebody will be looking for a solid CF, and he should net a decent return. Focus on prospects and young, MLB-ready players.
6. Monitor waivers and the Rule 5 draft. Try to pick up bullpen pieces and role players through there. DFA the dead weight that has no future with the team. I’m also trying to sign Dallas McPherson or Rocco Baldelli as a FA. As stated before, stay away from all big name FAs, pick up guys who might have been nontendered on the cheap and/or minor league FAs.
Carlos and Victor Zambrano have exactly the same number of career postseason wins. Who would have thought?
by Blicks on
Oct 18, 2025 10:54 AM EDT
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why
is dealing Mahay a priority? Also I would have to be blown away to deal DDJ. He is signed long term at way below market for a player of his caliber. Not saying he is untouchable, but I would have to be blown away with who we would get back.
by gordonrules on
Oct 18, 2025 11:02 AM EDT
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One Trade I'd Make
I’d deal Greinke to the Yankees for Cano, Zachary McCallister, Veras, and Kennedy
by Faggot Smasher on
Oct 18, 2025 7:21 PM EDT
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A few thoughts
Check with Oakland about a Teahen for Greg Smith swap. Fills 3B for the A’s for now and possibly the future if Teahen can bounce back, Smith gives the Royals a lefty for the rotation.
Give Bannister one more shot in the rotation. This is make or break time for him I think. With him and Smith filling the third and fourth spots, make Hochevar earn the 5th spot vs. Davies. Loser goes into long relief, and should be active.
Start prepping Soria for a move to the rotation in 2010. Top him out at about 100 innings in 2009, with about 140 being the max the next year. Ramirez is probably the closer once Soria moves to the rotation, maybe try a few other guys, maybe Rosa? Not totally sure on all the Royals pitching, but see if there is a better option, if not I think Ramirez should be fine.
Stick Butler out in LF for 2009, and deal with the defense. This lets you get a good long look at Kila monster and Shealy. I’d give it at least until the All Star break, if one of the guys is struggling at that point, then it’s time to reconsider things.
Let Callaspo and Aviles work as your MI combo. I think there is decent offensive potential there, just give them the AB’s to show it.
No one on the FA market really makes a ton of sense for them, so save the money for next offseason when you’re looking to really make a move upward. Look to move Mahay and possibly Guillen at the deadline.
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by gatling on
Oct 19, 2025 11:55 AM EDT
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Soria to the rotation
Why is this move seen as such an obvious one? Yes, he has many pitches, but he also sits in the low 90’s pitching one inning a game. Is he really going to be effective in the rotation when his velocity drops to the mid 80’s?
I understand the concept that 200 IP is more valuable than 80 IP, but I think many are way too optimistic on Soria being even an average SP. It seems like his game is much better suited for the bullpen and that’s fine because he’s sick in the closer’s role.
by deezle on
Oct 19, 2025 2:19 PM EDT
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Because his velocity won't drop?
All the reports on him are that he pitches the same if he is starting or closing. Not to mention he was a VERY good starter in the mexican league for years before he was brought over(even throwing a perfect game a week before the Royals nabbed him)
As for if he would still be effective if his velocity dropped, I’d say yes. He has FIVE, FIVE!!!!! pitches that either grade as average or above average. Right now as a closer he is using 2 maybe 3 of those a night. If he was a starter, he would probably use 2-3 in the first 3-4 innings than mix in the other 2 as the game moves along.
Besides, even if he does suck at being a starter, we lose nothing by trying him out for a month or two. even if he does bomb, we can simply move him back to the closer role. no harm no foul.
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by RoyalPug on
Oct 19, 2025 2:28 PM EDT
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