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Thinking about Reid Brignac

Thinking about Reid Brignac

Here's what I wrote about Reid Brignac in the book this year:

So far, so good for Brignac in 2007: 13 games for Double-A Montgomery, hitting .304/.352/.500. Of particular note: 5 walks and just 2 strikeouts in 46 at-bats. He's also hitting .421 against lefthanded pitchers.

Sample size matters, of course: 13 games is not very meaningful. But his performance this season is certainly in keeping with what he did last year, and I particularly like the BB/K/AB ratio.

I spoke with Tampa Bay Director of Scouting R.J. Harrison on XM radio yesterday about Brignac. He loves his bat, of course, but he's quite optimistic about his defense as well and believes that Brignac will be able to remain at shortstop. He also gave a lot of praise to Brignac's makeup and intangibles; his work ethic is tremendous. Now, you'd expect Tampa Bay officials to say good things about a player's makeup, but everything I know about Harrison indicates that he pushes this even more than the average scouting director, and what he says about Brignac also dovetails with what other people say.

Take a guy with a bat like this and a terrific work ethic....if he can be even average defensively, you have yourself one hell of a player. . .maybe Chipper Jones?

As good as Brignac is, he doesn't get as much attention as he deserves on a national basis. In many organizations he would be the top prospect, but for the D-Rays he came into the season behind Delmon Young and probably Evan Longoria, although personally I prefer Brignac to Longoria.

I'm going to post a separate discussion thread about the Devil Rays and the positional decisions they need to make over the next few years.

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Best SS prospect in the minors
and he's left handed, too. He's going to be really good.

by killa3312 on Apr 21, 2025 3:31 PM EDT   0 recs

wow chipper at SS?
that would be obscene.

by wildthang on Apr 21, 2025 4:06 PM EDT   0 recs

He is the real deal
He is definitely the real deal I think. Him and Young are going to be a pretty darn good middle of the order to build around

by was385 on Apr 21, 2025 5:04 PM EDT   0 recs

Question
Any estimates on when he gets called up?

by montenegro on Apr 21, 2025 5:25 PM EDT   0 recs

September
most likely.  His bat is very close to being ready IMO, and I have no doubt he could outhit Zobrist and Harris (hot streak not withstanding) right now.  It's really whenever his glove is ready.  He's got to get more consistent with it.

by Tyler on Apr 21, 2025 5:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I've actually seen him this year
And he's nowhere near as athletic as Chipper was coming up.  And honestly he's not going to outhit Zobrist right now.  And he's nowhere close to outfielding him (and I saw Zobrist last year).

He's an okay defender.  The five game set I saw him play last week he had some decent at-bats but it's certainly not "make sure you're not in the beer line when he comes up" type of power.

Honestly when I see him right now I think Eric Chavez...and not at his peak... .800-.850 OPS max at his very best.  Not bad by any means, but not a real superstar.

"Strikeouts are good...groundballs are better. Home runs are okay...but walks SUCK!" Mike Caldwell

by Torncuff on Apr 21, 2025 9:10 PM EDT   0 recs

Thanks for the report
I've never seen him, so I can't comment on anything but the he couldn't outhit Zobrist part.  

I might be able to outhit Zobrist right now.  He's looked completely lost at the plate.  I don't think he has big league bat speed.  He got a hit tonight, but it was a texas leaguer.  He's hit maybe 10 balls solidly all season.  He's been really bad offensively.

by Tyler on Apr 21, 2025 9:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think...
I'll take the advice of the experts over some guy who saw a 5 game stint in April

by foolintherain on Apr 22, 2025 12:00 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah
I thought the same thing about Jose Reyes when I saw him back in the SALLY league...I could see he was fast, but besides that I wasn't too impressed...which is why Ive learned that you really can't judge a player, especially a prospect, on such a short viewing...I thought Corey Smith was the bomb, the next Sheffield for sure...and reyes was just going to be a utility/pinchrunner type...

by daveh33 on Apr 22, 2025 2:13 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

lol
Couldn't outhit Zobrist right now?  Yeah, we all know how much Zobrist is absolutely raking right now, not to mention the all-star caliber numbers Zobrist put up last year...

I will not claim to have seen Brignac this year (let alone ever), but common sense pretty much tells me that a guy with Brignac's skills would be able to top Zobrist's miserable OPS.  Maybe he has a rough Alex Gordon type start to his career.  Then he's STILL outhitting Zobrist.

by mcq fesijiba on Apr 22, 2025 10:27 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Brignac vs Zobrist
Brignac is great, going to be great, but he's still not likely that much better than Zobrist right now.

Let's not forget that Zobrist had a 900+ OPS in AA.

Zobrist has a ton of line outs that could be singles if they landed 5 feet to the right or left. Eventually he'll get back to a respectable BA and he'll be a servicable SS.

We all know Brignac is a better long-term bet, but there's no reason to bring him up to the majors right now when he's not an Albert Pujols type hitter in the minors.

Rays in '08....

by youALREADYknow on Apr 22, 2025 10:33 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

One voice of reason
Thank you.

I see about 60 Southern League games a year for the past 7 years.  That includes players who have come through this league like Mark Prior, Todd Dunn, Miguel Cabrera, Jeremy Hermida, Russell Martin, Juan Salas, et al.  And Ben Zobrist.

I didn't say Brignac sucks.  But I guarantee that if you moved him from the Southern League to the Major Leagues RIGHT NOW he would get his lunch eaten.  If that upsets you, then go stare at your Jeremy Hermida rookie cards and wonder what has gone wrong.

Can he be a ML "superstar"?  I doubt it.  Can he be a solid ML player, maybe break out for a couple years.  Sure.  Will he be better offensively than Zobrist in the ML?  Someday.  Defensively?  I doubt it.  Is he in any way, shape, or form in the same galaxy as Nomar, Tejeda, Jeter, Alex Rodriguez during their peaks?  Not even close.

Sorry if that upsets "the experts" and the busily blogging 19 year old super fans who rank players they have never seen play, but so be it.

"Strikeouts are good...groundballs are better. Home runs are okay...but walks SUCK!" Mike Caldwell

by Torncuff on Apr 22, 2025 11:07 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

beg to differ a bit
I think it's far too early to tell whether he can or will be able to put up Nomar/Tejada type numbers in the big leagues one day.

The only difference between being a good player and being a star player in the big leagues is making the necessary adjustments and being a superior athlete.

I don't think anyone doubts Brignac's athleticism and that means he just needs to make the proper adjustments at the major league level, which can't be judged right now.

He has the tools to be a star at SS, but then again so did Angel Berroa, Wilson Betemit, and many others.

Rays in '08....

by youALREADYknow on Apr 22, 2025 11:11 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

meh
the guy also says Lincecum = Scott Williamson,
seems a bit too sure of himself when throwing around opinions.

by god allah star on Apr 22, 2025 3:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

what? me?
I'm the guy who RIPPED the guy who made that statement.

If anything, I'm one the biggest Lincecum fan on this site and thought he was the best player in the draft last year.

Just look at the 10000 Lincecum threads on the site for proof.

Rays in '08....

by youALREADYknow on Apr 22, 2025 8:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Linecum
I am probably the guy who said Linecum could be Scott Williamson circa 1999 if the Giants chose to broke him into the major leagues that way.

While Linecum's ceiling (and usefulness) is much greater long term as a starter, there are many simularities between the two pitchers.  Both are short(er) right handed pitchers with tremendous fastballs, great breaking pitches, and serious (less so with Linecum) durability concerns because of size.

Obviously Linecum has much more of a draft and prospect pedigree than Williamson (9th round, Ok State, 1997), but before you throw me under the bus go back and look at some of the notes on Williamson.

And before I get thrown completely under the bus, Linecum as a STARTER is more valuable than Linecum as a RELIEVER.  This got brought up in the context of Morrow making the Mariners as a bullpen guy, and the thought that Linecum certainly is ready to get out major league hitters, maybe just not at 150-200 IP this season to save his arm.  He could be very valuable as a set-up guy a la Santana at the major league level while being protected.

I am a big fan of Linecum, and the comparision to a NL ROY winner in no way was supposed to be a slight (although many interpreted it that way).

Honestly...as a Giants fan.  Not that they are going to win this year.  Matt Cain works 7+ innings at 110 pitches, and who do you want to see come out of the pen for the 8th this season?  Linecum, or whomever is currently blowing games?  I agree that the best case scenario is seeing Linecum start the day AFTER Cain wins again, but Linecum could throw 80-100 important innings out of the pen in his first full year of pro ball, protect him, then turn him loose full force the next season as a starter.

Here that beeping?  Here comes the next set of tire tracks over me....

"Strikeouts are good...groundballs are better. Home runs are okay...but walks SUCK!" Mike Caldwell

by Torncuff on Apr 22, 2025 9:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Lincecum in the pen
Is a ridiculously bad idea.

He's thrown an absurd amount of innings and pitch counts in college and still throws long toss the next day.

He's tailor made to be a starter and the Giants would be fools to mess with that.

Morrow wasn't throwing Lincecum's pitch counts and was used in shorter stints in the Cape and earlier in his college days.

Rays in '08....

by youALREADYknow on Apr 22, 2025 10:02 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You're right
He's more valuable as a starter.

Do you want him throwing 100 IP in the minors this year and another 90 starting?  Or throwing about 100 IP total this year coming off the abuse he was put through in college?

After seeing alot of people get hurt, but wanting to get the most out of talent, I think he could be very valuable out of the pen and watched while obviously making use out of his talent.  At this point I think we can both agree that he's a wasted asset punishing the poor bastards in AAA...but I doubt you'd be comfortable with 180 major league innings (at 6 IP per 30 starts this season).

It's a tough spot.  Hopefully health-wise he's Roy Oswalt and can withstand the beating of being a major league starter at that size.  I am sure he's dedicated and wants to prove any naysayers wrong...it's just that there are many guys who really bring it but not guys his size who can do it for very long.  It's just like an insurance table.  He's a freak of nature, and you just pray he stays healthy.

"Strikeouts are good...groundballs are better. Home runs are okay...but walks SUCK!" Mike Caldwell

by Torncuff on Apr 22, 2025 10:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Forget the probably
I absolutely said it.

Hopefully he doesn't get hurt. :-)

"Strikeouts are good...groundballs are better. Home runs are okay...but walks SUCK!" Mike Caldwell

by Torncuff on Apr 22, 2025 10:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That is true
But the only point I was trying to make is that to say Brignac couldn't put up a barely .400 OPS (which is what Zobrist has done, not what he may or may not be capable of) is probably going overboard.  Zobrist has almost NO power and his plate discipline that was pretty good in the minors just isn't with him right now.  Brignac could hypothetically match that and maybe more, don't you think?

Obviously, the season is early, and the Rays aren't expected to be serious playoff contenders just yet (but who knows?), so there is no harm at all in leaving Brignac down while Zobrist keeps the spot warm for him.

I do agree that the Chipper Jones comparison is probably shooting a bit high with him.  No knock against Brignac, but Chipper is and pretty much has always been a damn special player, even before he hit the majors.  Did anyone doubt that Chipper was going to be an elite player?

by mcq fesijiba on Apr 22, 2025 1:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Brignac/Zobrist
Pujols barely played above A ball in the minors. yes he moved quickly but he wasnt a player that tore up minor league ball at every level. total different case.

by chard11 on Apr 22, 2025 10:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Pujols
Somehow, I don't think that's what was meant.  I took the comment to mean that if Brignac was putting up numbers in the minors comparable to what Pujols has done in the bigs, maybe you make a case for Briggy to come up and start.  Since he's not hitting like that, he's fine where he is, no need to rush him.
I don't get enjoyment out of reading baseball books. I'd rather watch a sci-fi movie on TV. -Joe Morgan, Emmy winning BASEBALL analyst

by gatling on Apr 22, 2025 10:49 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

thank you
Exactly what I meant.
Rays in '08....

by youALREADYknow on Apr 22, 2025 11:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

An .800-.850 OPS
would make him an excellent offensive SS, and he has the potential to be better than that. He's 3 for 3 tonight with two RBIs, upping his average to .347.

by killa3312 on Apr 21, 2025 10:01 PM EDT   0 recs

Everyone has their own opinion
but most scouts seem to love the kid. Shortstops with the potential to hit 40 plus doubles and 20-25 HRs a year with a top notch batting average, which many think he has the potential to become, don't grow on trees. Not to mention, he's 6'4 and has the chance to get a lot bigger.

If he stays at short, and all indications are that he will, he'll be a top 5 offensive SS year in and year out.

by killa3312 on Apr 22, 2025 9:56 PM EDT   0 recs

dis
"A-", "One of the best hitting prospects around", "I prefer Brignac to Longoria"

Respectfully disagree on all three points.

by jaguar2490 on Apr 28, 2025 9:19 PM EDT   0 recs

Chipper Jones?
One of Chipper Jones' outstanding qualities as a hitter has always been his plate discipline. Overall value, maybe . . . but walking 90 times a year? Not out of the question, but not likely, either.
Where Anne hath a will, Anne Hathaway.

by woodstein52 on Apr 28, 2025 11:46 PM EDT   0 recs

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