Jacob Turner vs. Brandon Beachy retry

by playingwithfire on Aug 1, 2025 7:20 PM EDT

Sorry about re-posting this but I made the mistake in the earlier post of including a poll. As a result there were no discussion about the pluses and minuses of both pitchers. Beachy shockingly won that poll and I would just like to hear from the people that voted either way as to why you feel one is better than the other.

The question is simple. If you can have either Brandon Beachy's or Turner's first 6 MLB seasons, who would you pick and why?

In my mind Turner is the better pitcher simply because he has proven every stop of the way that he can handle the workload and succeed at a relatively young age. He also throws harder and has arguably a better breaking ball (Turner's curve vs. Beachy's slider).

So what do you guys think? Don't be shy, I know over a hundred of you voted. You surely have opinions and good reasoning behind it.

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Turner in a heartbeat.

Higher upside, and I don’t see him struggling at the major league level at any point. Beachy isn’t bad, but I don’t think it’s close.

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by The Congo Hammer on Aug 1, 2025 9:00 PM EDT reply actions

Evidently you haven’t looked at Beachy’s numbers! Kid is putting up awesome numbers as a rookie in the ML, Turner can only hope to put up those type numbes in the ML

by Jay212033 on Aug 2, 2025 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions

I wonder how many

SP started off their careers with striking out a quarter of the batters they faced in their first 100 IP.

I’m not entirely too sure who I’d pick, but anybody who thinks Turner is clearly better is way off base.

by bigboy1234 on Aug 1, 2025 9:44 PM EDT reply actions

How dare you question those above you!

by asyouwish33 on Aug 1, 2025 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions

Does Turner really throw harder?

In his first MLB start, he average 92 mph. Beachy averages 91.7 this year. That’s a pretty negligible difference.

For my part, I find it hard to imagine Turner putting up better numbers than Beachy has, and nothing about the latter’s performance screams fluke to me. So that makes the answer easy on my end.

by aCone419 on Aug 2, 2025 11:26 AM EDT reply actions

Can he keep his current number up with his stuff?

Can he consistently throw 200 innings a year?

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by playingwithfire on Aug 2, 2025 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions

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Can you confidently say Turner is a better bet to?

by Dfarth on Aug 2, 2025 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions

Beachy

Beachy has been really impressive, and I have a really hard time imagining Turner doing better than what Beachy has achieved already in the majors. It’s possible, certainly, but a k/9 over 9, BB/9 under 3, and an xFIP at 3.50. The only weakness in Beachy’s game is his extreme flyball tendency, but other than a start in Colorado, it hasn’t hurt him yet.

And it’s not like this came out of nowhere; it’s pretty consistent with what beachy did last year, people were just skeptical that it would translate to the majors, but he’s done exactly that.

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by Jgaztambide on Aug 2, 2025 11:57 AM EDT reply actions

It's not about if Turner can outperform Beachy's current numbers

For me as much as if Beachy can keep up his current numbers. Let’s be honest, if Beachy can do what he has done right now for 200 innings a year. Roy Halladay will have a hard time matching it every year. He’s posting ace numbers right now. But can he keep it up with the seemingly average stuff? (40 fastball, 50 slider, 50 change, 40 curve sounds about fair right? No real plus pitch) and above average but not pinpoint accuracy?

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by playingwithfire on Aug 2, 2025 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions

I think Beachy’s slider is better than 50, and I’d say his fastball is underrated as well. I do agree with you that the question is whether Beachy can keep doing what he’s doing though.

by limozeen on Aug 2, 2025 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions

40 fastball?

What are you talking about?

by aCone419 on Aug 4, 2025 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions

This

His FB gets up to 95 regularly.

by Jay212033 on Aug 4, 2025 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah those grades are crazy low

The fastball is a 50 minimum considering the way above league average whiff rate he gets on it, and the slider is clearly at least a 60 at this point. There isn’t a pitcher alive that could strike out over a batter an inning in the majors with the sort of stuff you"re describing,

by nixa37 on Aug 5, 2025 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions

What about Britton

would you take either, or both of these guys over Britton now?

by Jax5 on Aug 2, 2025 3:53 PM EDT reply actions

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Britton is #3 for me.

by Dfarth on Aug 2, 2025 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions

Turner > Beachy

My decision is based on ceiling. I’m worry about Beachy’s HR rate, and straight fastball that he throws over the meat part of the plate far too often. Being agressive in the strikezone is a good thing, BUT, Beachy does serve up a lot of meatballs.

by John Black on Aug 2, 2025 4:38 PM EDT via mobile reply actions

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His swing/miss level on those meatballs is suprisingly high. I’m not sure if he is deceptive or if the ball has movement that is difficult for me to detect. Either way, it’s more effective than I would think…

by Dfarth on Aug 2, 2025 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions

Seems odd

to ignore the fact that Beachy (9-3-86) is 4.5 years older than Turner (3-21-91). It’s a heckuva lot easier to say that what you see is what you get with Beachy than with Turner. And to the specific question, it’s even more difficult to say who will be the better pitcher in their first six years as Turner could easily have three or four season under his belt by the time he’s Beachy’s age, with who knows what type of learning curve. It’s an odd comparison, period.

by blackoutyears on Aug 8, 2025 3:16 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs