Minor League Notes, July 1st, 2011
Minor League Notes, July 1st, 2011
**I really don't like the idea of pulling the plug on a prospect who is just 21 years old, but it is time we faced some facts about Chicago Cubs cornerman Josh Vitters. He still has the pretty swing, but his .279/.315/.442 line in 69 games for Double-A Tennessee is just not impressive, and his miniscule walk rate and impatience is in danger of dragging down his career.
Vitters boosters will point to the fact that he's fanned just 19 times and is still young for the level, and they have a point. It is still plausible that he'll emerge as the player Cubs officials dream on, hitting for a high batting average with power. But while plausible, it no longer seems probable to me. His game is so strongly dependent on his batting average that, unless he can consistently hit .300 or higher, which seems doubtful to me, his OBP will be a drag on the offense.
He's on course for a 14-homer season this year, which just isn't enough for a corner guy, especially a first baseman. I note that his third base fielding percentage is down to .869 this year and that his range factor in 47 games there is terrible. He's also played 26 games at first base, and it would surprise no one if Vitters ends up there in the end. And if that happens, he'll really have to pick up the hitting to play regularly in a major league lineup.
It isn't too late for him, but he's got to make significant progress in the second half to still rank as an elite prospect.
**Los Angeles Angels third base prospect Kaleb Cowart is off to a terrific start in the Pioneer League, going 19-for-37 (.514) with five walks and four steals in his first 10 games for Orem. Drafted in the first round last year out of high school in Adel, Georgia, Cowart excites Angels brass with his power potential and strong throwing arm. Most teams liked him better as a pitcher, but Cowart wanted to hit and the Angels obliged. It's very early obviously, but the first returns are certainly positive and he could end up at Low-A Cedar Rapids by August if he continues to blister the ball like this.
**Last year people wondered if Kyle Seager's .345/.419/.503 line in the California League was just another High Desert heat mirage. So far, the Seattle Mariners prospect is proving the doubters wrong, hitting .312/.381/.459 in 66 games for Double-A Jackson to earn a promotion to Triple-A Tacoma, where he's off to a very fast start (14-for-27, .519 in six games). Overall he's hitting .331/.398/.485 this year. A third round pick out of North Carolina in '09, Seager is a pure hitter with plenty of gap power and a feel for the strike zone. His best defensive position is third base, but he's not terrible at second base and shortstop despite limited middle infield range. I like him.
**St. Louis Cardinals third base prospect Zack Cox is having a difficult transition to Double-A. Drafted in the first round last year from the University of Arkansas, he was supposed to be a highly-advanced college bat who could zip through the minors. He signed a major league contract with $6 million, but if his current performance is any indicator he won't be ready for the Show soon.
He began the year hitting .335/.380/.439 in 42 games for High-A Palm Beach, but since moving up to Springfield in the Texas League he's hitting a mere .207/.290/.293 in 116 at-bats, 32 games. He's a line drive hitter and perhaps is having some bad BABIP luck right now, but on the other hand he's supposed to be a contact expert, yet he's striking out once per game with 31 whiffs in 116 at-bats. He's also struggling with the glove, with 10 errors leading to an abysmal .885 fielding percentage. It is way too early to conclude that he's a bust, but Cox obviously has a lot of work to do on both sides of the ball.
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John, who would you consider the better prospect right now: Josh Vitters or Carlos Triunfel?
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by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 1, 2025 11:06 AM EDT reply actions
Seager
I can’t see why he’s still in AAA. Promote him and let him take over 3rd now
by mattp31 on Jul 1, 2025 11:08 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I would ask whether his bat can play at third,
but realistically, he couldn’t be much worse then what the M’s have there now.
by quacker27 on Jul 1, 2025 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Do you think his bat plays at 2B?
If so, he’d be fine at 3B. I think Seager might be capable of the type of numbers we see Maicer Izturis putting up this year. Not a star by any means, but if the defense is solid I can see him in the ~3 win range at his peak.
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by gatling on Jul 1, 2025 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
really odd time to write a post like this on Vitters
I think I’ve made clear in the past that I’m really not a fan of Vitters and my expectations aren’t that high for him. All that said, seemed like an odd time to come out with a negative post. From late May to last week, he had been red hot and getting me worried that the Cubs would do something ridiculous like bumping him up to AAA (I really think he needs a full-season at AA). I’ll excuse his minor struggles for the past week for now due to being hit in the head.
All that said, I haven’t thought about him as a borderline elite prospect since some point in 2009. As a side note, it’s been speculated for awhile now that the Cubs viewed his eventual future at 1st (the rumors/spec have been around since last year).
by toonsterwu on Jul 1, 2025 11:27 AM EDT reply actions
Yeah I thought the hit in the head threw off his performance.
by SenorGato on Jul 2, 2025 12:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Brad Miller
How does Seager’s skillset compare to Miller (Seattle’s #2 pick, as yet unsigned)? I realize the M’s hope Miller can stay at SS, but both seem to have good contact and on-base skills with doubles power. Not a bad set of skills to have, not complaining, but it’s funny because both have been compared to Bill Meuller in passing, which I think is a euphemism for “decent player with little power”.
by goyo70 on Jul 1, 2025 12:15 PM EDT reply actions
Cowart
Why didn’t the Angels think Cowart was ready for full season Low-A ball to begin 2011? He is obviously too advanced for Pioneer League now and behind many of his peers from the 2010 draft class.
by richieabernathy on Jul 1, 2025 1:24 PM EDT reply actions
Vitters
I see a 21 year old who’s only k’d 19 times and is more than holding his own at AA. Ok, so he doesn’t walk much and he’s a first baseman. But he hits! and he has power potential. This isn’t a time to pull the plug. Frankly, I’m excited by that kind of low k rate.
I don’t mean to say I think he’ll be an All-Star or anything approaching it, but someone who is good at putting the bat on the ball has an MLB future.
by GuyinNY on Jul 1, 2025 2:56 PM EDT reply actions
He's a below average offensive player in AA and he's stuck at 1B
Unless he makes major improvements, what sort of spot can you actually envision for him in the majors? Backup corner infielder even though he can’t really handle 3B and hits RH? How many of those guys are there in MLB?
by nixa37 on Jul 1, 2025 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
3B is NOT out of the picture.
Plus yeah if he hits he’ll find a spot.
by SenorGato on Jul 2, 2025 12:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It sounds like he's just never going to be anything better than bad at 3B
He’s making a ton of errors, his range factor isn’t good, and the Cubs are already giving him significant time at 1B. The larger point I was trying to make is that Vitters is still a long way away from having a MLB future, unlike the person I responded to claimed. If he doesn’t hit enough to be a starter, I’m just not sure where he fits. There aren’t that many right handed bench bats that can only handle 1B and maybe 3B in a pinch in the majors.
And what do you mean if he hits? How much hitting are we talking about. Unless he starts walking and/or hitting for a ton of power he simply doesn’t have the bat to profile as a 1B. The only things he’s got going for him as a hitter right now are a low K rate and the fact that scouts once labeled him the best HS bat in his class over the likes of Moustakas and Heyward? He doesn’t walk at all, he posts low BABIPs, and he doesn’t hit for all that much power for a corner guy.
by nixa37 on Jul 2, 2025 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I think
and I’m not really into defending Vitters, but I think that judging solely on errors and range factor and assuming that he is “anything better than bad” is a bit flawed. He’s probably an average defender there on most days, will have an occasional bad game, but will on occasion look like a plus defender there. His footwork is a bit improved from his A ball days, and the arm is a bit more consistent than before.
All that said, I think eventually the Cubs fully move him to first (which I’ve been anticipating for awhile, but it hasn’t happened yet), which is less a reflection upon what he can do defensively at 3rd and more a reflection that others are likely to be better. There’s talk of LeMahieu and Flaherty both being viewed as corner options (DJ probably the better defensive option, Flaherty’s bat plays better). And Baez is certainly in the picture as a possibility.
This isn’t to say that I think he has a shot of being a plus defender. I think he’s probably average, at worst, a tick below average, but I wouldn’t call him “anything better than bad”.
by toonsterwu on Jul 2, 2025 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
That seems like wishful thinking
I’m going off what John said above on the range factor and errors, in part because I haven’t seen any scouts saying he is even average there recently. The errors are getting to be an issue at this point. The current rate at which he’s making errors is completely unacceptable and considering he’s already in his 4th professional season I see little reason to think that’s suddenly going to change. What reason do you actually have to think that he’s actually around average at the position? Are you including his proclivity for errors in that assessment or making the assumption that if he cut the errors to a reasonable level that he would become average (because if not you must think he has plus range at the position).
by nixa37 on Jul 2, 2025 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm including his errors in that assessment
I’ve seen him play before, at almost all his stops, but certainly, visual evidence is often deceiving. First off, let me be clear. My last statement was
I think he’s probably average, at worst, a tick below average, but I wouldn’t call him "anything better than bad".
Anyhow, the general feeling I get from people that have seen Vitters throughout his time in the minors and that follow the Southern League is that his footwork is a bit sharper than before at 3rd, and that he has improved defensively. Of his 13 errors at 3rd this year, I believe only 5 were fielding errors. Certainly, throwing the ball is a critical component at 3rd, and he tends to gamble with the arm, so there is that aspect, but a couple of the throws, he shouldn’t have even attempted. He tends to have errors in bunches (I believe 4 2-error games this year, although I may be off by a game + or -).
He certainly doesn’t have plus range. I know some folks believe his range is livable for the position, which I take to mean a notch below average, but he has improved his footwork.
Look, I don’t think he’s going to be at 3rd, and on Cubs blogs, I’ve been talking about him at first for awhile now. All that said, every indication, from visual evidence, people I’ve talked to, and games is that his defense at 3rd isn’t “anything but bad”, and that he has improved from the past (At Daytona and Peoria, there were some folks that said he was a horrid defensive third baseman).
by toonsterwu on Jul 2, 2025 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
So how does below average range and problems with errors
Lead to assessing his defense as “probably average, at worst a tick below average?”
by nixa37 on Jul 2, 2025 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
You say that he hits… but a .315 OBP and .163 ISO in AA isn’t anything to write home about.
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by alexwithclass on Jul 1, 2025 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Seager sounds like DJ Lemahieu as a prospect.
I hope both make it d 2b.
by SenorGato on Jul 2, 2025 12:47 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
interesting comp
I’m not sure I really see it, though. I mean, there are similarities, but I wouldn’t think to compare the two. Seager’s “raw hit tool”/“contact ability” probably doesn’t compare to LeMahieu (which is no knock on Seager’s ability to make contact), but he takes more pitches and has a bit more power right now. LeMahieu could develop the power a bit more, so there is that potential, and for once (this year), he’s finally started to show a tiny bit more power. I think LeMahieu is a slightly stronger defensive player.
This is an overused comparison for a lot of guys, but I sort of see a bit of Todd Walker in Seager.
by toonsterwu on Jul 2, 2025 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Seager sounds like DJ Lemahieu as a prospect.
I hope both make it as 2b.
by SenorGato on Jul 2, 2025 12:47 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Vitters = Chase Headley
Empty batting average and not much else
And no outfield fielding abilities
by tenags on Jul 5, 2025 10:08 AM EDT reply actions

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