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Fantasy Baseball 2011: Dee Gordon or Billy Hamilton?

Prior to the 2010 season, Dodgers shortstop prospect Dee Gordon was ranked as the Dodgers #1 prospect by many of the prospect experts in the industry, and was ranked #46 in the Baseball America Top 100, but after a two level jump to AA, where he held his own, but did not flourish, many of the experts are down on Gordon, and talking more about his deficiencies than what he brings to the table as a shortstop prospect. 

Gordon started the 2010 season at AA Chatanooga after finishing his first full season in the majors at Low-A Great Lakes. So Gordon took a two level jump in 2010, which is uncommon. Dodgers director of player development DeJon Watson has been quoted as saying that he views the jump from Low A to AA as a one level jump, especially since High A is known to be an excellent hitters environment.

Gordon assets are his 80 grade speed, a great glove and great range at shortstop. He has stolen 144 bases in 194 attempts in his minor league career. Not a great SB success rate (74%), but there is room for improvement for a guy who started playing baseball in his senior year in high school. And he will get that from Dodgers new first base coach Davey Lopes in spring training.

Here are his career minor league stats per Baseball-Reference:

YearAgeTmLevGABR2B3BHRRBISBBBSOBAOBPSLGOPS
2008 20 Ogden Rk 60 251 45 13 3 2 27 18 16 29 .331 .371 .430 .802
2009 21 Great Lakes A 131 538 96 17 12 3 35 73 43 90 .301 .362 .394 .756
2010 22 Chattanooga AA 133 555 86 17 10 2 39 53 40 89 .277 .332 .355 .687
3 Seasons 324 1344 227 47 25 7 101 144 99 208 .297 .351 .385 .736

Gordon has a career K rate of just 15% and BB rate of around 7%, which is not great, but not bad either. As you can see from the BR table, his BA/OBP/SLG has dropped as he has moved up the minor league ladder. 

In the field, his error total has increased each year he has played in the minors, from 24 in rookie ball, to 34 in Low A, to 37 in AA last year. Could he do a better job in the field? Sure. Could he do a better job at the plate? Sure. But what his naysayers are not considering is that Gordon has a tremendous work ethic. He spent the winter playing in the Puerto Rican Winter League, working on his plate discipline and fielding. He knows where he needs to improve and is putting in the time to do so.

More on Billy Hamilton and Gordon after the jump:

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Reds middle infield prospect Billy Hamilton is a very similar player as Dee Gordon. Last year, Hamilton hit .318-.383-.456 in the Pioneer rookie league. He has similar tools as Gordon, including an 80 speed tool, which helped him steal 48 bases in 57 attempts last year. 

Here are his career minor league stats per Baseball-Reference:

YearAgeTmLevGABR2B3BHRRBISBBBSOBAOBPSLGOPS
2009 18 Reds Rk 43 166 19 6 3 0 11 14 11 47 .205 .253 .277 .530
2010 19 Billings Rk 69 283 61 13 10 2 24 48 28 56 .318 .383 .456 .839
2 Seasons 112 449 80 19 13 2 35 62 39 103 .276 .336 .390 .726

When comparing his power and speed stats, he looks like a Dee Gordon clone. But for some reason he is getting more love than Gordon is this year. 

Gordon, apparently is getting more negative press due to his performance at the plate and in the field at AA Chattanooga in 2010. Here is what ESPN's Keith Law had to say about him in his Top 100 rankings last month:

Gordon needs to get stronger, period. Almost everything else is there for him to be a plus shortstop who hits, gets on base, and wreaks havoc with his speed, but he doesn't have a big frame and has to do whatever he can to become strong enough to hit better fastballs with authority and to hold up for a 162-game season.

The speed, glove and arm are way too much to ignore, and if the Dodgers let his body catch up to his level in the minors he's got a good chance to become a leadoff hitter at a position of chronic need.

Law lowered his ranking of Gordon from 38 in 2010 to 70 in 2011. Meanwhile, he ranked Hamilton at #51 in his Top 100. Here is what he wrote about Hamilton:

Hamilton is a 70 or better runner with a plus arm who has good instincts on the bases and is showing aptitude for hitting even though he comes out of the raw high school baseball environment of Mississippi. He's going to end up a four-tool player, lacking only power, but understands that his game will be slap-and-run, putting the ball on the ground, working the count to get on base, bunting to hits and putting his great speed to use.

In the field, he can play shortstop but played some second in 2010 because of that arm issue. If the glove and bat develop as expected, he has a chance to be an All-Star at short, because players at that position who contribute on both sides of the ball are rare.

His report on Hamilton, while worded differently, sounds very similar to Gordon's report. They both have tremendous speed. They both lack power. And they both are solid in the field. Law mentions that Hamilton's game is a "slap and run" type hitter who will bunt for hits and use his speed on the basepaths. To me, and I like Law alot, he makes these skills a positive for Hamilton, but a negative for Gordon. And I am not sure why. Maybe it is because Gordon is older than Hamilton?

Here is what Jason Parks over at Baseball Prospectus responded when asked whether Gordon's limited experience means he can't be evaluated the same as other prospects his age:

They have a point. Gordon is difficult to project because of his limited experience. I tried to

keep that in mind when evaluating him, but his lack of physicality/strength isn't tied to his

baseball experience, and that concerns me more than the present state of his glove. Without

improved strength, Gordon will struggle to have offensive value at the major league level.

Parks wrote a negatively slanted article on Gordon back on February 17th, concluding that Gordon will not be an above average shortstop at the major league level.

Before I go any further, let me say, I like what I have read about Hamilton, and his stats tell me he can be a solid major leaguer who could lead the league in SBs, or at least challenge Gordon for the SB title annually.

But taking a closer look at Hamilton's 2010 season, he benefitted from a .388 BABIP, so as he moves up to better competition in Low A in 2011, his BA may take a hit. He did walk more than Gordon did in 2010, but he also struck out more. 

Yesterday, Baseball America published their Top 100 prospects and ranked Gordon at #26 and Hamilton at #50. BA's ranking of Gordon stirred alot of discussion in this fanpost here at Minor League Ball with readers on both sides of the argument. 

Based on what you know about each player, who would you rather have in a keeper/dynasty format?

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Gordon
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Hamilton
386 votes

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format issues

I had to post a whole new article due to format issues with the BR table. Still can’t figure out why the text is smaller after the jump.
Sorry for the format issues. I will make sure this doesn’t happen again.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 24, 2026 10:47 PM EST reply actions  

Go back and edit

My guess is that the formatting got off slightly when you began the quotes, as they are the smaller font as well. Something probably didn’t close correctly, so everything after the quote stayed small as well.

by dougdirt on Feb 24, 2026 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

My opinion

I think the one difference between Hamilton and Gordon is height. Billy Hamilton is a lean 6’1", while Gordon is a lean 5’7". I don’t expect either guy to pack on more than 5-10 pounds the rest of their careers in terms of good weight (read: muscle), but I would think that Hamilton’s size advantage does give him a potentially better chance to hit for below average power instead of poor power like Gordon is likely to top out at. With that said, I think that both guys are overhyped at this point. It would seem that some people fall in love with the speed and project it on the other tools, rather than looking at them on their own. Guys with next to no power don’t often turn out well. For every Juan Pierre (and I would absolutely take a Juan Pierre type of line from a middle infielder with good defense and be thrilled about it), there are a hundred guys with no power who couldn’t make it over the long haul.

Personally, I would rather have Hamilton because I think he has a slightly better package of tools across the board, but I want to see more bat from both guys (mostly in terms of power) before getting too excited. Watching Gordon in person 15-20 times the last two seasons, there are things to like. He is incredibly fast and very toolsy. He has a good amount of bat speed, can make exceptional plays at shortstop at times and his swing looks nice too. But his size/strength is going to really limit him at the plate and I think we are seeing it as he moves up as his numbers continue to dive with each promotion. It is something that I worry about with Hamilton as well.

I am taking a wait and see approach, while being cautiously optimistic for Hamilton because of his age.

by dougdirt on Feb 24, 2026 10:49 PM EST reply actions  

thanks Doug

I appreciate your take on both.

Is Gordon 5’7"? BR has him at 5’11".
One would think the Dodgers would offer him free rides to McDonalds every day to put some weight on him.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 24, 2026 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I have stood next to Gordon

I am all of 5’9" and I was taller than him.

As for him packing on weight…. his frame simply isn’t going to handle it. I have been saying since the first day I stood next to him, he is built like a 14 year old boy who hasn’t yet hit a growth spurt. Problem is, he is a grown man. He simply isn’t going to be able to pack weight onto that frame. At least not good weight.

With that said, I have been the low man on the totem pole when it comes to Gordon for the last two seasons now. Maybe I am wrong, but I just have never really seen it.

by dougdirt on Feb 24, 2026 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Are we allowed to call him “Sliding Billy,” or do we have to come up with a new nickname for him?

sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew

by alexwithclass on Feb 25, 2026 12:21 AM EST reply actions  

Why is 2011 in the title?

Usually these pieces have been about 2011 impact but that’s clearly not relevant here.

by FI2 on Feb 25, 2026 1:20 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

soooo

how did you like the article?

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 25, 2026 6:04 AM EST up reply actions  

alright

I guess I find the 2011 part annoying, that’s obvious, but so as not to just squawk, I think the constructive criticism I’d offer is I’m not sure you can just quote traditional scouting sources for fantasy middle infielders whose best tool is 70-80 speed. Dee Gordon’s a controversial prospect, for understandable reasons. If he ends up slugging ~ .330 like Juan Pierre, his real life utility will be less than his backers hope, but Juan Pierre at SS would be a fantasy star.

I don’t have a strong preference between the two, but they both seem far more attractive in fantasy than real life.

by FI2 on Feb 25, 2026 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Hamilton over Gordon!

Gordon had his best slugging rate of .430 where he hit 13 doubles, 3 triples, and 2 home runs. His XBHs at subsequent levels were: 17, 12, & 3 in 538 AB, and 17, 10, & 2 in 555 AB. Conversely, Hamilton still hasn’t played full-season ball and a 13, 10, & 2 XBHs in 283 AB. So while Gordon looks like a player for whom MLB pitchers WILL be able to knock the bat out of his hands, Hamilton, over the course of a full season may be able to hit 45+ XBH where Gordon, so far, has not. Additionally, when you look at their physical frames, as others have noted, Gordon isn’t going to carry much more weight, where Hamilton may be able to add some strength – plus Hamilton is still 3 years younger and thus has more projection left.

I think it’s pretty easy to see how Law spins Hamilton’s power and potentially decent and Gordon’s as absent… And I think it’s hard to see how Gordon will be the superior player.

-peter

by PeterF on Feb 25, 2026 1:43 AM EST reply actions  

For 2011?

I’ll take Dee Gordon in terms of likely greater overall fantasy impact for 2011. Long-term? I don’t see a ton of difference yet, but Gordon has probably already shown us what he can do, while Hamilton remains projectable. Ceiling to Hamilton, for sure.

by pooptallica on Feb 25, 2026 6:14 AM EST reply actions  

Gordon by a significant margin

-Neither guy is going to hit for power; Don’t let the Pioneer League SLG fool you, here is how BA describes his approach:

Like Ichiro Suzuki, he’ll run into his swing, slapping the ball the other way while racing down the line.

-Both guys have ridiculous speed
-Gordon is more likely to play SS
-Gordon has played at AA whereas Hamilton hasn’t played above rookie ball

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by Jeff Reese on Feb 25, 2026 11:10 AM EST reply actions  

agree with the last part

for the most part i always take the guy that has had success in AA, then a guy that is in Low A with a similar set of skills

by ScottAZ on Feb 25, 2026 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

I was about to make the same comment. The Gordon bird is much closer to the hand than the Hamilton bird is out in the bush…

by wonderphenom on Feb 25, 2026 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Success?

Dee Gordon couldn’t OPS .690 in AA last season. I think that is far from a “success”. If you like Gordon more because he is “closer”, that is fine. But I don’t think anyone should characterize what he did in AA as a success.

by dougdirt on Feb 25, 2026 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

He may do that sometimes

But like Ichiro, he isn’t doing it all the time. I would also back that up and point out that his .145 IsoP in the Pioneer League at 19 was significantly better than Gordon’s .099 as a 20 year old in the Pioneer League.

As you noted though, neither guy is going to hit for power, but I still think Hamilton is going to hit for more power than Gordon. Below average power is better than poor power, even if both guys aren’t very good at it.

by dougdirt on Feb 25, 2026 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Squirrel!

It’s simply a case of the new, best thing. Gordon was it last year and now Hamilton is it this year. Simple as that. They’re near identical players at present, with Gordon having proven himself at a higher level and Hamilton bursting on the scene new. If Gordon’s ranked #50, then Hamilton should be #50a, or vice-versa. No definitive way to separate them right now.

by hunteralan on Feb 25, 2026 1:05 PM EST reply actions  

Nice Work

Ray,

Just wanted to say that your contribution to this site is one of the main reasons I visit. It creates discussion about relevant prospects, rather than some of the re-hashed old prospect retros and career profile pieces I’ve seen here over the last few months.

Keep up the good work.

by BryceHarper on Feb 25, 2026 2:57 PM EST reply actions  

that's not why

That’s not why, and you know it.

by John Sickels on Feb 25, 2026 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t know what that guy’s deal is but I think y’all do a damn fine job. Also, consider that the content is FREE!

by DeathSpeculum on Feb 25, 2026 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

John

In fairness, I got a box that came up on my screen suspecting I was posting under different aliases, because a couple other posters mentioned something similar to the above.

I am not either of the posters you mentioned. I have long been a long standing member of your community and follower of your website. The only other name I had was “NewKidInTown” and that was before SB Nation took over things.

If you review my comment history, I have been respectful and provide insight, not derogatory or inflammatory comments.

I enjoy your work, but have been displeased with the recent content. I absolutely love your Prospect Smackdowns and Crystal Balls. I merely commended Ray for adding a different aspect to the site.

by BryceHarper on Feb 25, 2026 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey John

I just got an email for Bryce saying that he got a warning because you think he, myself, and KBR are the same person. That’s not true at all John. The three of us are close friends that have grown up together (I guess the jury is still out whether we have grown up, lol). Furthermore, the 3 of us are in fantasy pools with other long-standing members of this site that can verify we are NOT the same person.

I just wanted to clarify that John so that no one is unfairly warned or banned. Thanks.

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by Dewey Finn on Feb 25, 2026 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

What Bryce said was both inacurrate and douchey

But Dewey, KBR, and him are all different people. I’m in the aforementioned fantasy league with all three.

But I do agree he should be warned — all three make snide, backhanded comments at your work here and I often wonder why they come if they dislike it so much.

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by hero66 on Feb 25, 2026 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

suggestion

if readers have issue with the content, and I am not speaking for John here, but you should let him/I know in the suggestion threads that are posted from time to time. Or email one of us, rather than backhanded comments here.
Just my two cents.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 25, 2026 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

To be fair

I’m not sure why I am being accused of something when I have never received a single official warning. I have been pretty damn respectful since John asked me to ease up, so this accusation is kind of disheartening.

Big Sexy!

by King Billy Royal on Feb 26, 2026 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

public

I am not the one who made this public.

by John Sickels on Feb 26, 2026 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Regardless

If you accuse somebody of something, you should have the courtesy of informing them. This is the last I will comment about this on the message board but I am pretty disappointed. I don’t want to make this a big thing so I will leave it at that.

Big Sexy!

by King Billy Royal on Feb 26, 2026 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

guys

can we keep the comments to the content and leave the accusations to emails. Feel free to email me or John. I am not sure what the issue is here, but I think it is better resolved away from the comments here.
Thanks.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 26, 2026 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Hamilton's ETA

Does 2015 sound right? That seems like an eternity from now.

Play ball!

by tmannino on Feb 25, 2026 3:13 PM EST reply actions  

Who has better speed?

Surprised law only gives hammy a 70 on speed. From everything I’ve read it seems like both have 80 speed tools and the ability to surpass 50 or 60 steals easily, but Hamilton could have 100 sb potential. Like almost Ricky henderson kinda speed. No? Also with hammy’s build and frame there is the potential for some power down the line maybe 10-15 hr’s? But that might be wishful thinking. Am I totally off base here?

by DeathSpeculum on Feb 25, 2026 5:21 PM EST reply actions  

Speed

I timed Billy Hamilton multiple times between 3.7 and 3.8 last season. That is 80 speed. With the power, I think you might be shooting a little high, but I guess I will hold judgment a little bit on that one until I can see him play up close and personal (was only able to watch video of him last season from some people who were at the parks).

by dougdirt on Feb 25, 2026 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Park Factors

IF he plays for Cincy in that ballpark, provided the park maintains the same home park factors, then maybe that’s possible. I would think 15 would be an outlier number though.

by BryceHarper on Feb 25, 2026 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Interesting that Gordon finished 2nd in slugging in the Puerto Rico winter league (.493). The competition must have been really bad.

by bolton on Feb 25, 2026 5:29 PM EST reply actions  

curious

Yes, I saw that as well. He started the PR season on absolute fire then cooled off as expected. I am curious why LAD sent him to PR instead of AFL. I assume they sent him to PR to hit against more advanced/seasoned pitching, but I am not sure.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 25, 2026 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Playing time

From what I remember reading, it was because he’d get more playing time there than in the AFL.

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by Jeff Reese on Feb 25, 2026 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

interesting

I had not read that. Thanks.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 25, 2026 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

BABIP in the minors

I’m inclined to believe that this stat is less than useful for minor league players, considering that defense is less of a certainty at that level. I’d be interested to hear what others think on this.

Great comparison between the two players, by the way. I had noticed that they possessed similar speed tools but hadn’t looked any deeper. Thanks.

by Robert L. Bishop on Feb 25, 2026 6:05 PM EST reply actions  

thanks

I would like to know if anyone has done a study on this or if it is generally accepted as useful or not.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 25, 2026 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

No studies

I haven’t done a study, but I think that BABIP in the minors isn’t really useful for a bunch of reasons, which I have listed below.

1. The playing level is NOT even. Some guys truly are better than the competition to an extreme, so the .300 BABIP simply does not apply like it does in the Majors where the competition level is pretty darn even.

2. Fielders. While the Majors has its share of poor fielders, the minors is littered with them. If a guy doesn’t get to the ball, its a hit, even if they should have.

3. The field itself. Not all fields are close to MLB caliber, both in terms of size or condition. It plays a factor.

4. Speed. This kind of goes back to defense, but a really fast player in the minors is going to be able to use his speed more against lesser fielders than he would against most Major Leaguers. They are going to get some additional hits that they wouldn’t against Major Leaguers because the experience (knowing when you absolutely must rush a throw, run in on the ball a little harder, play in a little more in order to cut down the time from the bat on ball to the first baseman catching it) factor.

With those things said, I feel like I should now go ahead and do a quick study on a league or five to see how things play out compared to say, the Major Leagues. Sounds like a fun weekend project (yes, I know, this makes me a nerd. I can deal with that).

by dougdirt on Feb 25, 2026 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

awesome

thanks Doug. Please post your results if you do get to it. That would be great.

Question-do you think the fields also play into the number of errors some infielders make? I know the majority of Gordon’s errors are throwing, IIRC.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 25, 2026 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely

Some of the fields certainly play into the number of errors guys make, as do minor league first baseman. Throwing errors stink, but you have to imagine that a Major League first baseman is likely to save a few errors compared to a minor league first baseman.

Gathering some data on some leagues right now to look into some BABIP.

by dougdirt on Feb 26, 2026 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Hamilton is superior because he has a more projectable frame and shows better baseball instincts, not to mention he would probably beat Gordon in a footrace. Some people compare him to an NFL cornerback. I’m not giving up on Gordon; I just think he’s a limited version of Hamilton.

by HeavyHitter on Feb 26, 2026 5:10 PM EST reply actions  

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