Rating last year's rookies-Community Prospect #18
by Dalman on Nov 28, 2025 10:27 PM EST
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Aroldis Chapman wins the round as a near consensus pick. With such a high percentage of the vote going to Chapman it makes next round very unpredictable. Our winners so far include:
1. Brett Lawrie, 3b Toronto Blue Jays (51%)
2, Eric Hosmer, 1b Kansas City Royals (57%)
3. Michael Pineda, P Seattle Mariners (38%)
4. Dustin Ackley, 2b Seattle Mariners (41%)
5. Desmond Jennings, of Tampa Bay Rays (47%)
6. Jeremy Hellickson, P Tampa Bay Rays (49%)
7. Freddie Freeman, 1B Atlanta Braves (45%)
8. Brandon Beachy, P Atlanta Braves (27%)
9. Brandon Belt, OF/!B San Francisco Giants (33%)
10. Mike Moustakas, 3b Kansas City Royals (38%)
11. Domonic Brown, of Philadelphia Phillies (32%) (70% runoff)
12. Jason Kipnis, 2b Cleveland Indians 29%
13. Cory Luebke, P San Diego Padres 19% (59% runoff)
14. Paul Goldschmidt, 1b Arizona Diamondbacks 26%
15. Danny Espinosa, 2b Washington Nationals 36%
16. Craig Kimbrel, P Atlanta Braves, 38%
17. Aroldis Chapman, P Cincinnati Reds 56%
The voting breakdown after Chapman was: Chris Sale 16%, Salvador Perez 12%, Mark Trumbo 12%, Henderson Alvarez 4%, and Allen Craig, Jemile Weeks, Kyle Drabek, Ben Revere and Mick Carp all at 0%
Because I am dropping so many guys with 0% anyway, I'm going to keep the standard at 4% for those already on the ballot. Craig, Weeks, Drabek, Revere and Carp are temporarily dropped. We'll bring back Vance Worley, Josh Collmenter, Kenley Jansen and Wilson Ramos.
In rotation: Lucas Duda 0% (round 14), Zach Britton 0% (round 14), Danny Duffy 0% (round 15), Dayan Viciedo 0% (round 15), Mike Minor 0% (round 16), Jose Altuve 0% (round 16), Ivan Nova 0% (round 16), Jordan Walden 0% (round 16), JD Martinez 0% (round 16), Allen Craig 0% (round 17), Jemile Weeks 0% (round 17), Kyle Drabek 0% (round 17), Ben Revere 0% (round 17), Mike Carp 0% (round 17)
We'll give Aaron Crow his first time on the ballot this round, leaving as possible future testers:
Juan Nicasio Alex Cobb, Jordan Lyles, Jerry Sands, Dee Gordon, Craig Gentry, Lonnie Chisenhall, and Al Alberquerque.
As always voting is by +1 and there are places below to suggest testers or vote for players not currently on the ballot. Not sure who I want to add next round from among the testers. Any suggestions, either among those listed or someone else?
Also, I am planning on taking this out to 25 rounds and then stopping, so at this point there is no guarantee that everyone on the testers list will get a chance to be on the ballot. If you think that one of the players on the testers list particularly deserves to be on the ballot you can note that below.
So who is your number 18 prospect for future performance among last year's rookies?
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RIP Randy "Macho Man" Savage
by gatling on Nov 29, 2025 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
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by casejud on Nov 29, 2025 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
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by The Congo Hammer on Nov 29, 2025 1:18 AM EST up reply actions
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Probably should have been on by 10-12…no way he should be on any longer
by nixa37 on Nov 28, 2025 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
agreed he'll be better than Alex Avila and by a lot
This guy may be one of the most underrated Catching prospects in quite some time, nobody seems to realize or understand just how talented he is.
Yoenis Cespedes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW9ge8l3jY8
^ the bottom video ^
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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Nov 29, 2025 1:38 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah I never understood why he fell out of favor with people last year
Basically struggled for his first month or two in AAA and then started hitting like he always has. Not sure it’s going to get much better offensively for him than it did this year, but that combined with his defense makes him a very valuable player.
by nixa37 on Nov 29, 2025 1:45 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with all of this but . . .
I just think Salvatore Perex is going to be a bit better with the bat and, as good defensively. Ramos is very underrated though.
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by casejud on Nov 29, 2025 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Better than Avila
Are you talking about a better career or that he’ll have one season that is better than what Avila just posted?
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by gatling on Nov 29, 2025 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
I think either possibility is pretty unlikely
Or at the very least a lofty outcome. The two catchers are practically the same age already.
by Matt0330 on Nov 30, 2025 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
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Yoenis Cespedes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW9ge8l3jY8
^ the bottom video ^
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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Nov 29, 2025 1:37 AM EST up reply actions
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by ChopMaster on Jul 7, 2025 10:24 PM CDT (joined Jul 19, 2025)
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by biggentleben on Nov 29, 2025 5:23 AM EST up reply actions
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"We did a lot of good things last year, and now we've got Julio ... That does nothing but improve the offense, and we expect to do better. That's our goal, to lead the NFL in everything. Every offensive category." -Roddy White
by Beachy Keen on Nov 29, 2025 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Allen Craig
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Mike Minor
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Quite underrated at this point, but I guess there are a lot of solid candidates
by brok515 on Nov 29, 2025 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
Jose Altuve
… would be in my next few, after Ramos (here), Sale and Minor. I think he has a pretty good chance to be a 300/350/450, lots of doubles and triples kind of guy who plays decent defense at second for a long time.
by Brownson on Nov 29, 2025 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
Is this just me
Or was 2011 a particularly strong year for rookies? A bunch of the best didn’t get enough PA/IP to really get considered for ROY, but I think there’s enough talent on this list that 5 years from now, you could put together a reasonably decent all-star team. That we’re 18 players deep, and Ramos, Alvarez, Sale and Jensen still haven’t been elected speaks to the remarkable depth of this year’s class.
by gabrielsyme on Nov 29, 2025 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
Here's last year's list, for comparison:
1. Jason Heyward, outfielder Atlanta Braves
2. Buster Posey, catcher San Francisco Giants
3. Stephen Strasburg, pitcher Washington Nationals
4. Carlos Santana, catcher Cleveland Indians
5. Michael Stanton, outfielder Florida Marlins
6. Madison Bumgarner, pitcher San Francisco Giants
7. Starlin Castro, shortstop Chicago Cubs
8. Brian Matusz, Pitcher Baltimore Orioles
9. Pedro Alvarez, third base, Pittsburgh Pirates
10. Neftali Feliz, pitcher, Texas Rangers
11. Logan Morrison, outfielder Florida Marlins
12. Jhoulys Chacin, pitcher Colorado Rockies
13. Daniel Hudson, pitcher Arizona Diamondbacks
14. Justin Smoak, first base, Seattle Mariners
15. Jaime Garcia, pitcher St Louis Cardinals
16t. Austin Jackson, outfielder Detroit Tigers
16t. Ryan Kalish, outfielder, Boston Red Sox
16t. Wade Davis, pitcher Tampa Bay Rays
19. Ike Davis, first base, New York Mets
20. Travis Wood, pitcher Cincinnati Reds
21. Neil Walker, second base Pittsburgh Pirates
22. Jenrry Mejia, pitcher New York Mets
23. Tyler Colvin, outfielder, Chicago Cubs
24, Reid Brignac, middle infielder Tampa Bay Rays
25. Jose Tabata, outfielder Pittsburgh Pirates
26. John Jaso, catcher Tampa Bay Rays
27. Michael Saunders, outfield Seattle Mariners
Some rookies who were left off include Jon Niese, Ian Desmond, Jonny Venters, Peter Bourjos, Drew Storen, and Mike Leake.
by psiogen on Nov 29, 2025 1:50 AM EST up reply actions
That does look around about equal
It’s really difficult to judge between the two lists as one has a year of hindsight with the 2010 list
by gabrielsyme on Nov 29, 2025 2:21 AM EST up reply actions
Looks stronger at the top, but not as much depth as this year
by nixa37 on Nov 29, 2025 6:58 AM EST up reply actions
i dunno...i cant see how any year can top how heyward, strasburg and posey looked after last year
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 29, 2025 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
That's what I'm saying
The top 7 of last year is incredibly strong and I’d definitely take it over this year. From #8 on however, I think this year’s list blows away last years.
by nixa37 on Nov 29, 2025 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Even the guys still barely getting any votes
Are pretty good players.
by auclairkeithbc on Nov 29, 2025 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Mike Stanton & Madison Bumgarner - 5/6
It would be tough to pick anybody from this year over those 2. Very strong at the top in 2010 indeed.
by Matt0330 on Nov 29, 2025 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
I've been very surprised
at how good this class was as well, it sure didn’t feel like it sometimes during the season.
by PrincetonCubs on Nov 29, 2025 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Perez v Ramos
I’m a KC fan, so I really had to think about it, and make sure I wasn’t being a homer, which I probably am anyway:) Perez at age 21 was 1.4 WAR in a quarter of a season (39G)….SSS obviously… Perez has stellar defensive potential, and what I think will be an avg or better bat in time. Ramos has more power, solid defense, and is a bit less of a base-clogger than Perez. Ramos is also having success at a relatively young age, posting 3.1 WAR in 113 games in his first full season (Age 23-24).
I can see both sides of this one, but went with Perez in the end.
by killa on Nov 29, 2025 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
I'd say Ramos is more than solid defensively
And let’s not forget that Perez has never previously shown the ability to hit like he did in the majors last season.
by nixa37 on Nov 29, 2025 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
While we are comparing, here is 2009...
1. Matt Wieters, C Baltimore (1)
2. Tommy Hanson, P Atlanta (23)
3. Andrew McCutchen, of Pittsburgh (18)
4. Brett Anderson P Oakland (16)
5 Gordon Beckham, 3b CHW (47)
6. Rick Porcello, P Detroit. (14)
7.Elvis Andrus, SS Texas (24)
8. Colby Rasmus, of St. Louis (6)
9. David Price, P Tampa Bay (2)
10. Travis Snider, of Toronto (4)
11. Dexter Fowler, of Colorado (15)
12. Chris Tillman, p Baltimore(20)
13t. Matt Latos, p San Diego (124)
13t Derek Holland, p Texas (17)
15. Cameron Maybin, of Florida (7)
16t Chris Coghlan, of Florida (110)
16t Trevor Cahill, P Oakland (8)
18 Matt Laporta of/1b Cleveland (10)
19 Kyle Blanks, of San Diego (79)
20 Nolan Reimold, of Baltimore (9% in round 150)
21 Drew Stubbs, of Cincinatti (135)
22. Ricky Romero, P Toronto
23 Daniel Bard, P Boston (131)
24, Jeff Neimann, P Tampa Bay (116)
25. Jordan Zimmerman, P Washington (50)
26. Andrew Bailey, P Oakland
27. Julio Borbon, of Texas (81)
hm Marc Rzpecysnski P Toronto
hm Mat Gamel, 3b Milwaukee (33)
hm Jordan Schafer of Atlanta (36)
hm Brad Bergesen P Baltimore
hm Gio Gonzalez, P Oakland (69)
hm Clayton Richard, P San Diego
hm Gerado Parra, of Arizona (8% in round 150)
also receiving some support, Tommy Hunter, P Texas, Everth Cabrera, ss San Diego, Garret Jones, of Pittsburgh, Brett Cecil, P Toronto (48), J.A. Happ P Philadelphia
others considered but receiving only minimal support: Luis Valbuena if (Cle), Brett Gardner of (NYY), Cliff Pennington if (Oak), Taylor Teagarden C (Tex) (45), Sean West P (FLO) (147) Ryan Perry (Det), Randy Wells P (Cubs), Jake Fox 3b/of (Oak), Casey McGehee, of Milwaukee
by Dalman on Nov 29, 2025 11:24 AM EST reply actions
Looks like the community missed big on Gardner
At least 41 guys from his class coming ahead of him.
by nixa37 on Nov 29, 2025 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
Gio as HM
I expected big things out of Borbon, lol
by BigG'S on Nov 29, 2025 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Gardner
my recollection is that he showed a pattern of struggling when he got to a new level, and then eventually mastering it before moving on. It turned out that he was also able to pull that trick at the major league level, as he has certainly turned out better than many might have thought based on his initial exposure to the majors
by Dalman on Nov 29, 2025 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
This was the 2009 list though
So he had just posted a .270/.345/.379 season with 2.4 fWAR in just 108 games. I’m certainly not trying to claim I didn’t miss on him too or anything. Just an interesting case study in possibly underrating baserunning and elite defense from a LF. Or maybe fangraphs just overrates it. Who knows.
by nixa37 on Nov 29, 2025 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
you're right
I was thinking we had rated him off of his first exposure to the majors in 2008 but he missed qualifying that year by 3 at bats. Gives us less of an excuse. Interestingly, although we think of Gardner as having had a pretty good year in 2011, his OPS+ was just about the same as in 2009 that we didn’t like at all. It turns out that high 80s is good enough with the speed and defense to get him a near full time job. Makes you wonder whether we should be looking harder at Weeks, Revere and even Gentry this year.
by Dalman on Nov 29, 2025 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
lol
I wasn’t posing in 2009, but how in the heck did Price fall to #9?
by mr. maniac on Nov 29, 2025 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure it should be that surprising
The current David Price isn’t the same as the 2009 David Price. 2009 David Price didn’t post very good numbers in the majors, his average fastball velocity was ~2 MPH below what it is now, didn’t throw a 2 seamer (that we knew really knew of at least), and featured the slider almost exclusively as his offspeed pitch.
by nixa37 on Nov 29, 2025 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
You know Elvis Andrus is a great defensive SS, right?
Just kidding. It is quite an oversight.
by Matt0330 on Nov 29, 2025 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
and 2008
1. Evan Longoria 3b Tampa Bay 2-JS 2-CP
2. Jay Bruce of Cincinnati 1-JS 1-CP
3. Clayton Kershaw P LA Dodgers 3-JS 5-CP
4 Geovanny Soto C Chicago Cubs 20-JS 48-CP
5 Joba Chamberlain P NY Yankees 2-JS 6-CP
6 Chris Davis 1b-3b Texas 41-JS 51-CP
7 Joey Votto 1b Cincinnati 4-JS 17-CP
8 Jair Jurrjens P Atlanta B-JS candidate-CP
9 Alexei Ramirez 2b White Sox nl-JS nl-CP
10 Clay Buchholz P Red Sox 1-JS 4-CP
11 Max Scherzer P Arizona 21-JS nl-CP
12 Johnny Cueto P Cincinatti 7-JS 12-CP
13 Jacoby Ellsbury of Red Sox 8-JS 16-CP
14 Pablo Sandoval if-c Giants C-JS nl-cp
15 Chris Volstad P Marlins B-JS nl-cp
16 Jed Lowrie ss Red Sox 10-JS 35-cp
17 Jeff Clement c-dh Mariners 13-JS 25-cp
18 Joey Devine p Oakland B-JS nl-cp
19 Denard Span of Twins C-JS nl-cp
20 Justin Masterson Boston 40-JS candidate-cp
honorable mentions
Carlos Gonzalez of Oak 11-JS 32-cp
Chase Headley of-3b San Diego 12-JS 20-cp
Brandon Wood ss-sb Angels 14-JS 14-cp
Jose Arredondo p Angels C-JS nl-cp
David Murphy of Texas nl-JS nl-cp
others receiving signficant support
Daniel Murphy of Mets C-JS nl-cp
Mike Aviles if Kansas City C-JS nl-cp
Manny Parra P Milwaukee 14-JS 55-cp
Nick Blackburn p Minnesota C+-JS nl-cp
Homer Bailey p Cincinatti 8-JS 8-CP
Hiroki Kuroda p Dodgers nl-JS nl-cp
Following is a list of players who were also considered but received only minimal support:
Delisted players: Greg Smith 0% (12) Joe Mather 1% (13), Armando Galarraga 1% (13); Daric Barton 1% (14), Luke Hochevar 0% (15), Greg Reynolds 0% (15), Jesse Carlson 0% 15, Brad Zeigler 3% (16), Kosuke Fukodome 2% (16), David Purcey 1% (16), Matt Joyce 0% (16); John Lannan 1% (17), Ian Kennedy 3% (17), Ryan Sweeney 1%, Blake Dewitt 0% (18), Kyle Mclellan 2% (18), Warner Madrigal 1% (19), Cory Wade 1% (19)
by Dalman on Nov 29, 2025 11:26 AM EST reply actions
Chris Davis
I just want to you write you off due to the big league struggles, but you post such great AAA numbers
by nixa37 on Nov 29, 2025 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
2008 looks awfully good in retrospect
for sheer superstar firepower at the top, Longoria, Kershaw, Votto, Ellsbury…stacks up pretty well with what any other season has to offer
by Dalman on Nov 29, 2025 11:30 AM EST reply actions
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