Steinbrenner Dead
As you have no doubt heard, George Steinbrenner died this morning of an apparent heart attack at age 80. He had been in poor health for some time, so this isn't exactly an unexpected development.
I grew up in the Midwest during the 1970s and 1980s, as a fan of the (then) small-revenue Minnesota Twins. For me, Steinbrenner was a manifestation of all that was wrong with baseball (and indeed, American society as a whole), the ultimate domination of the rich, powerful, and ruthless over the poor and weak. As I grew older, I started to dislike the guy less...he was still a jackass, but he wanted to WIN, and he used all the resources at his disposal to do so. He seemed to mellow a bit over time as well. Even if his strategies didn't always work, I did develop some grudging respect for the man.
I wish his family the best in their time of grief and mourning.
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I, admittingly, have never been a Yankee fan. However, I have the utmost respect for what Steinbrenner has done to change the face of the game. The sport has lost one of the great characters of the game.
May you rest in peace George Steinbrenner III
July 4, 2025 – July 13, 2025
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by Whiteyballer on Jul 13, 2025 11:57 AM EDT reply actions
a tragic loss for sports in general and baseball in particular
RIP George Steinbrenner
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by laxtonto on Jul 13, 2025 12:02 PM EDT reply actions
The man was 80 years old and has been out of the spotlight for almost half a decade. I'm not sure "tragic" is a word I'd use here
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by thejd44 on Jul 13, 2025 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
what's with the hate?
Im sure you arent a Yankee fan based on the comment, but if you deny that he changed the game, and tried to do it more so by forcing owners to spend their profits on their team instead of themselves, then you shouldnt be watching baseball
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Jul 13, 2025 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
That's not at all what he did.
I don’t want to drag him through the mud here (speak no ill of the dead and all), but he was a pretty terrible person in lots of ways. Younger fans don’t remember, but he brought the Yankees about as low as they’ve ever been before bringing them up again - and many would argue the up again only occurred because the bright people in the Yankee organization were able to move freely when Steinbrenner was banned from baseball (originally for life, reduced to a year). For a long time he was hated in NY. He also threatened to move the team countless times.
Oh he changed the game, alright. He did spend money. He spent a lot of money. Its to his credit… but if you really think he did it in some noble cause forcing these other tightfist owners to spend than YOU shouldn’t be watching baseball.
Steinbrenner could be as tight fisted as anyone over certain things. He fired people left and right without regard. He treated many people like crap, including his own players. He was a jerk… but he did have some admirable qualities despite all his shortcomings.
He’s not truly an evil figure in the history of baseball but he’s a lot closer to one of the great villains of the game than he is to any great hero.
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by alskor on Jul 14, 2025 4:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Let me put it this way
When I heardthe news, the first thing that came to my head was “George Steinbrenner, the most loved, and hated, that the game may ever see.” He wasn’t liked by all, but who is? If his goal was to please everyone, he wouldn’t have brought the Yankees title after title.
He was hated in NY by many. And how did he become reloved and respected? Winning. Look, I hate this recent style of buying a team. It takes being a fan of someone who tries to build a team from within to realize this. However, why is he spending? Because he made a lot of money from the team and instead of buying house after house, he puts it right back into the Yankees and the community. I said he tried to get more owners to do the same. He tried to lead by example, but most owners laughed at this. However that isn’t his fault…
Earlier in his career he stepped on people. Now, listen to the comments of Jeter, Girardi and even Torre who left on horrible terms. They gave him the utmost respect and this was not because he had passed. He was not a perfect human being, however he was one of few who learned from their shortcomings and actually changed, and is part of an even smaller group of those people who had basically unlimited money and still changed as he got wiser and older.
Overall I feel that he takes a lot of crap from the media and such because the more respected members are the ones that were around when he was ranting and ruling in the 70 s and 80 s. And you and I know the last people to change their stance on someone. The feeling of the media is spread among TVs and therefore the public gets a similar feeling to the media. The people who have commented about personal encounters have nothing but nice things to say. He was respectful and willing to make small talk. Did he really care or not? No one knows. But he knew how to handle people.
While I never got to meet George, and therefore my opinion could be totally misguided, but I think he was someone you had meet to have a true opinion on the guy.
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Jul 14, 2025 5:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sorry about the horrible grammar and such, I'm on a mobile device and it isn't easy to make changes.
Hopefully you can understand what I meant
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Jul 14, 2025 5:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sure
He certainly had some redeeming qualities.
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by alskor on Jul 14, 2025 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of which, I’m curious how you can manage to root for both the Dodgers and Yankees. Seems to me that there’s some lasting hate between the two born from the late 70s early 80s.
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by souldrummer on Jul 15, 2025 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
You perfectly summed up Big Stein
I couldn’t stand him in the 80’s but his passion on the game really flourished after he returned in the 90’s. While he may have been arrogant, he really was a true Yankee.
by King Billy Royal on Jul 13, 2025 12:04 PM EDT reply actions
I think I'll watch a few Seinfelds tonight
We wanna look to the future, we gotta tear down the past. Babe
Ruth was nothing more than a fat old man, with little-girl legs. And here’s
something I just found out recently. He wasn’t really a sultan. Ah, what d’you
make of that? Hey, check this out. (he stands to reveal he’s wearing baseball
pants) Lou Gehrig’s pants. Not a bad fit. (a thought occurs) Hey, you don’t
think that nerve disease of his was contagious, do you? Uh, I better take ‘em
off. I’m too important to this team. (removes the pants to reveal his boxers)
Big Stein can’t be flopping and twitching.
by jar75 on Jul 13, 2025 12:17 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
+1
What did you go and trade Jay Buhner for!!!???
by BryceHarper on Jul 13, 2025 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
Hilarious stuff there.
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by souldrummer on Jul 13, 2025 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice post
Capturing both sides of the Boss. Too often when a polarizing figure dies, people tend to forget some of the less appealing parts of him.
While I admire his passion and dedication to winning, I can’t respect some of the other actions Steinbrenner was responsible for, highlighted by his trying to dig up dirt on Dave Winfield.
But I can’t help but think about how he grew the Yankees into the billion dollar enterprise it is today and what the franchise’s future would be. There can be no doubt that if he were a young man today who purchased the club, he would return more and more profits into the payroll thanks to his dedication to winning - a scary thought considering how (reportedly) profitable the club is.
by AGuinness on Jul 13, 2025 12:24 PM EDT reply actions
It is a huge pet peeve of mine when people all of a sudden change how they feel about a guy because he died
If you think Steinbrenner was a big turd of a human being, stick with that. Him being dead now doesn’t make that untrue (if it is in fact true).
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by thejd44 on Jul 13, 2025 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
steinbrenner
The Steinbrenner of the 70s and 80s was almost cartoonishly evil…like an 1880s robber baron. He became less-so as he got older…he had some capacity to learn from his mistakes.
by John Sickels on Jul 13, 2025 12:28 PM EDT reply actions
I think my favorite Steinbrenner story
possibly apocryphal, came from his pre-MLB days. Way back when, he was an owner in the ABL, a basketball league that folded within a couple years. He hired the first African-American coach in professional basketball, but in protest to him running a fast break offense, Steinbrenner withheld the team’s salaries and forced all the players to write a public letter saying they were in support of him. The coach finally quit when he traded one of his own players for cash to the opposing team during the middle of a game.
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by Brickhaus on Jul 13, 2025 12:35 PM EDT reply actions
I said this on the fan post
But the best thing that happened to the Yankees during his tenure was his suspension.
by ADLC on Jul 13, 2025 1:08 PM EDT reply actions
R.I.P.
When I was a teen and a “long-suffering” Yankees fan, I hated him as much as you could hate a stranger. But he learned. Not everyone does, especially after they’ve been a huge success doing things the old way.
by whichthat on Jul 13, 2025 1:23 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah...
The man was a convicted felon and was banned for life until his buddy Selig got him off the hook. I’m not shedding a tear for SiAS.
by Franchise887 on Jul 13, 2025 1:36 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
is this really the type of society we are
“and indeed, American society as a whole), the ultimate domination of the rich, powerful, and ruthless over the poor and weak.”
I don’t want to make it a political discussion{well thats a lie} always chomping at the bit for heated debate. But the statement was included in your post.
Is there a society in the history of the world that has provided more to it’s lower class of citizens then the United States.
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by fourfingerwoo on Jul 13, 2025 1:49 PM EDT reply actions
yes
the answer to your question is yes, but the discussion won’t go further than that. no politics.
by John Sickels on Jul 13, 2025 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
1970s
I think John’s comments were referring to a 1970s world. And through the eyes of a young person I can see how he’d blame someone like Big Stein. As others have mentioned he was almost cartoonishly evil during that time. A lot of people have blamed Steinbrenner and Ted Turner for the ills of baseball during that era. The 1970s were a wild time - for baseball and the country as a whole - much more different than most of us under 40 have ever experienced as adults. If you are interested in more read (don’t watch) Ladies & Gentlemen, The Bronx is Burning; Big Hair and Plastic Grass; or The Bronx Zoo.
by KSM on Jul 13, 2025 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
two Steinbrenner stories
Two personal (sort of) stories about The Boss, which seem to highlight his many sides:
In 1992 or 1993, when I was 12 or 13, my father took me to Cooperstown for Reggie Jackson’s induction, despite us not being Yankees fans. We stayed in Oneonta, about an hour from Cooperstown, if I recall. Maybe an hour or so prior to attending an Oneonta Yankees game at Damaschke Field the night before the induction ceremony, my father and I were having a catch behind the stadium when a group of well-dressed men walked past us on their way to the stadium. My father recognized Steinbrenner in the group and waved to him. Being 13 and living in New York, I had an idea who Steinbrenner was from the papers. He owned the Yankees, had a short temper and had recently gotten into trouble. I actually thought he might yell at us, based on the image I had of him in my head. Instead, he smiled and waved back. He walked the short distance over to us and shook my hand. He asked a few questions before wishing me luck and continuing on into the ballpark, and generally seemed like a nice, warm guy, not the monster image the media had created.
Of course, there are two sides to every story, and individual. A few years later, in 1999, Bob Watson gave a guest lecture at my college. He had been a GM under Steinbrenner. I think the topic of his lecture was race relations in baseball, but what I remember most was the Q&A session after the lecture when someone asked what it was like working for Steinbrenner. Watson responded with a story about how Steinbrenner would run meetings with 12 team executives and that he was a big proponent of making decisions democratically, based on everyone’s input. He would then inform everyone that they all had a vote, except Steinbrenner himself, who had 13 votes.
by El Duq of Hurl on Jul 13, 2025 7:38 PM EDT reply actions
the 2nd one
you can chalk it up to knowing how he wanted a team ran and making sure it happened that way ;)
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Jul 13, 2025 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
i think the second one is actually kind of funny.
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by TheMelkman on Jul 14, 2025 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
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