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8 days ago: Baltimore Orioles' Nolan Reimold hits a two run double off Oakland Athletics' Brett Anderson during the fifth inning of a baseball game Sunday, April 18, 2010, in Oakland, Calif. (AP Photo/Ben Margot)

I am out with the flu right now, or some sort of other annoying bug with similar symptoms.

In the meantime, here is another discussion question for you, suggested by a reader.

You wake up as the GM of the Baltimore Orioles. How do you make this team competitive with the Red Sox and Yankees on a year-to-year basis? You have some interesting young talent here...but what more can be done? What is your draft strategy? Etc.

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LOL, I came into this thread to type this exact thing.

Move to Portland and ask to go to the AL West.

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by thejd44 on Apr 24, 2025 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions

We have a winner

No one will be able to compete with the Yankees and Red Sox on a regular basis. Put them in a division by the themselves. Then the remaining teams in the East will have a fair shot.

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by Ajax68 on Apr 24, 2025 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions

Very true

People love to praise Tampa but that team finished last for about 12 years. Most teams can’t survive losing like that. A balanced schedule seems a lot more fair with the wild card too.

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by King Billy Royal on Apr 25, 2025 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions

Pray

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by doublestix on Apr 24, 2025 11:32 AM EDT reply actions

Call up Josh Bell

Move Tejada back to short. Play Luke scott and Reimold at 1b more than Atkins. I do think the orioles are moving in the right direction already.

by jarjets89 on Apr 24, 2025 12:06 PM EDT reply actions

No, no, and no.

Bell is struggling at Triple-A, Tejada at SS and Reimold/Scott at 1B would give us an AWFUL infield defense. No.

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by ravensfan3 on Apr 24, 2025 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions

Start with 2012

I think the Orioles would be best served to try direct their efforts to a run in 2012. This can be sustained and they will be up against a weaker Yankee team.

OF Markakis at 42M/3yrs
OF Jones 2nd Arb
OF Pie 2nd Arb
OF Reimold Min

C Weiters
1B Snyder Min
2B Roberts 20M/2yrs
SS
3B Josh Bell Min

SP:Matusz
SP:Tillman
Also: Britton, Arrieta, Hobgood

Firstly, trade Roberts. He has some value but you don’t want him for 10M in 2012 and 2013.

I say take Pomeranz who can actually contribute in 2012. They will have a solid foundation as long as they don’t make any rash free agent signings. The key to competing in the AL East is being a patient and stockpiling assets for a serious run instead of going half assed in 2011.

If Pomeranz is gone it seem like a HS player is a better pick than Ranuando even if he won’t be ready in 2012. I’d say Taillon or Machado but I’d much rather have Pomeranz if I am the O’s.

Play the kids after June 1. Angelos is cheap so it’s doubly bad to bring allow them to get to be super 2 (Bergsen). On the other hand it’s important to get them big league time so they have some experience in 2012. Wieters and Matusz should be superstars making nothing. I also like the chances those outfielders are very good players.

by HobbsNY9 on Apr 24, 2025 12:54 PM EDT reply actions

2011

Looking at Cot’s all their money comes off the books this year. They are well suited for next year and Mike Gonzalez’s 6Mil is the only bad deal for 2011 and not 2012. Still the young guys will be better in 2012, while the Yanks will be older and more expensive in 2012 than in 2011. They’d be fine to spend a little money in free agency this year but it would all probably be better spent in the draft. Duh.
Or better spent after 2011 on FA’s. Or on locking up their young guys early. The Orioles future doesn’t look so bleak to me.

by HobbsNY9 on Apr 24, 2025 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions

I agree with a lot of this

Trade Roberts for prospects, definitely. Florimon can be our SS in 2012 if we don’t sign anyone else. We’d also have Bergesen in a rotation spot and we could have a bunch of starters in the bullpen.

I’d love to get Pomeranz, he could contend for a rotation spot in 2012 as well.

I’m covering him tomorrow in my 2010 MLB Draft series.

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by ravensfan3 on Apr 24, 2025 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions

I think the Orioles could be decent in a few years. They need a better bullpen. I thought the Gonzalez siging was good, but he was bad before he got hurt.
Maybe trade for Adrian Gonzalez? you stop the Red sox from getting him, and get a solid, young, affordable firs baseman. Now, they would probally have to give up Matusz, Reimold, etc…

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by bestbostonsports on Apr 24, 2025 1:19 PM EDT reply actions

I think they would have to give up too much of their young talent to make Gonzalez worth the addition…it is an intriguing thought though

by AKinn15 on Apr 24, 2025 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions

Give up Matusz?

Adrian is not that young. He’s entering his peak yrs now. So trading away key young parts (i.e. Matusz, Reimold, etc..) of what you hope to be a competitive nucleus in a few yrs sounds a lot like the shortsightedness that got the Os into this place. A lot of spending on short-term rewards, at the expense of longterm value.

by basemonkey on Apr 24, 2025 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions

...

I’m just saying that it’s taken the Os pretty much a decade plus to develop a quality arm like Matusz. It doesn’t make sense to me that they trade away a young good pitcher for the future like him, in order to add a quality bat today.

by basemonkey on Apr 24, 2025 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions

Agreed

Pretty terrible idea.

by jar75 on Apr 24, 2025 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions

I dont know. I just figured they would probally ask for him in a trade. I doubt they would do it, though.

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by bestbostonsports on Apr 24, 2025 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions

Os have solid crop of quality pitching prospects in the minors.

I think Matusz is going to be (if not already) pretty much “untouchable” (Along with Wieters). If the Os are interested in a beefy trade like an Adrian G deal would be, it’ll have to be a package that consists of pitchers in the minors today. Before the season began, they had Tillman, Arrieta, and Britton who were all thought of favorably by scouts in the industry. I think it would take one of those guys as a centerpiece to open the conversation.

 MacPhail’s regime has been the most consistent philosophically in the last 10+ yrs for the Os, which makes them pretty predictably adverse to dealing away those players. MacPhail’s regime has been focussed on collecting top quality prospects, and filling out major league spots until those guys get ready. Everyone talks about what they would do if they were GM, but much of what the Os have done the last decade is due to a lack of options. Until they start getting a real backlog of talent at more or less every position, or at least pitching, which forces a push, we won’t see things change. That being said, we are starting to see this happen for the Os.

by basemonkey on Apr 24, 2025 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions

Signing an elite offensive player when they hit free agency makes sense

trading for one who is close to FA does not.

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by Blicks on Apr 26, 2025 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions

A guy like Carlos Pena might work.

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by bestbostonsports on Apr 26, 2025 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions

Matusz is a gem

He better be an Oriole for the rest of his life.

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by ravensfan3 on Apr 24, 2025 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Trade Millwood...

and try and get a good young SS prospect. Everything else is prett much in place for them to be competitive in a very tough decision very soon.

by joegonzo on Apr 24, 2025 2:29 PM EDT reply actions

This could happen

A playoff team is almost certainly going to need pitching help at the deadline and the O’s could target a SS prospect then call up Tillman/Arrieta to finish the year

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by Gobroks on Apr 24, 2025 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions

+1

Hopefully they can deal Millwod, Tejada, Atkins (prob not) and maybe Gonzalez for prospects at the deadline

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by ravensfan3 on Apr 24, 2025 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions

They should be able to deal Millwood and Tejada

especially if the O’s are willing to eat salary, which they should.

and Gonzalez when/if he returns healthy.

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by Blicks on Apr 26, 2025 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions

This team is fine. Not far off expectations, at least.

I think they finish with somewhere near 70 wins, and the future is brighter than ever.

I might fire Trembley, but I doubt its that much on him. I would just want to shake up the vets at this point before the team identifies itself as a loser (if its not already too late).

The problems as I see it:

1) Lack of pitching depth - Brad Bergesen is a terrible pitcher. They started the year with some very bad pitchers in the pen and rotation.

2) Bullpen has been eye bleedingly awful. They’ve blown 4 saves and countless other leads. If they were only a 6 win team would be there be so much talk about them? The Royals and White Sox both have 6 wins.

3) Lack of effort and focus. This is the troubling part. I attribute much of this to the cold start.

4) Injuries - Brian Roberts to a large extent and Mike Gonzalez to a lesser (he’s been good when healthy and could have helped this team a LOT).

5) They’ve had a super tough early schedule.Tampa twice, Caught Toronto hot as can be, then a West Coast swing at Oakland and Seattle where they went 1-5. Now they have Boston, then New York, then Boston, then New York! THEN @ the Twins! That’s a nightmare schedule.
There is a decent amount of talent on this team… they need to cut

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by alskor on Apr 24, 2025 2:31 PM EDT reply actions

Sorry.

They need to cut ties with the dead weight. DFA Atkins. He’s a bum. Bergesen should never sniff the majors again outside of a middle relief role. If Tejada doesn’t stop making errors bench him and go to Bell. Even though Bell is cold it sends a message - results or your’re gone. Can’t let a losing atmosphere fester. Alternatively put Wigginton at 3B. Basically, shake it up. Don’t stand pat.

Also, bend over, grit your teeth and grab your ankles, because the schedule gets even worse…

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by alskor on Apr 24, 2025 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions

They do need to drop Atkins

Rhyne Hughes is better on defense and probably a slightly better hitter, 2-2 so far in his debut. You are probably watching.

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by ravensfan3 on Apr 24, 2025 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions

1) He’s not a terrible pitcher, but he’s definitely not as good as he was in 2009. His slider is a solid offering when it’s on, and he does an excellent job keeping the ball down in the zone.

2) There bullpen has been awful, Berken and Hendrickson are the only ones who have done a nice job so far. Ohman has a 0.00 ERA but he’s allowed a bunch of inherited runners to score.

3) 100%, Trembley acts like he doesn’t care and most of their performances are pathetic.

4) Not to mention Tejada and Pie.

5) Only gets tougher…

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by ravensfan3 on Apr 24, 2025 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions

+1

Bergesen is not a terrible pitcher, he is a very good talent. Ground ball machine. He didn’t have a spring training, is it any surprise he is oof to a bad start

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by fourfingerwoo on Apr 25, 2025 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions

You don't have to strike guys out to be a viable MLB pitcher

He moves the ball around the zone and has a slider/sinker/change to compliment. He’ll be fine/

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by ravensfan3 on Apr 25, 2025 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions

You don't have to strike out A LOT of guys.

You DO have to strike out more than Bergesen does.

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by alskor on Apr 25, 2025 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions

From afar...

..it’s easy to make these assumptions. He’s never been the lauded one statistically. He was always a prospect who proved his stats wrong. Right now I think it’s pretty simple. For whatever reason (you can throw your theory into the pool if you want) his sinker is not sinking as much, and, as late as it was before this year. You can imagine how this might be statistical death for a sinkerballer who never featured great velocity.

Raising low K/9 rates for a sinkerballer is a little misleading. K/9 is a great traditional indicator of future success, but it’s sometimes off for these guys. I think about Kevin Brown as an example of a guy who got K/9s in the 5 range. I’m not suggesting Bergesen has a Brown type of career, but to predict he won’t be a servicable/productive pitcher solely based on that is misguided too.

by basemonkey on Apr 25, 2025 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions

From up close...

Its easy to mistake his luck last year for some sort of ability to pitch out of jams and around trouble. It wasn’t

The bottom line is he has very little margin for error because he doesn’t miss bats. To bet on him succeeding with the stuff and peripherals he has now is a fools’ bet. Brown had MUCH better stuff.

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by alskor on Apr 25, 2025 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions

his best attribute

is pitching out of a jam, with the groundball out

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by fourfingerwoo on Apr 26, 2025 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions

Exactly.

He still got in the jam in the first place, didn’t he?

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by alskor on Apr 26, 2025 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions

re: unfortunately

they are in a tough division…perhaps realignment is the only way to go. they are going in the right direction with yout, maybe they need to go all the way. Trade Tejada, cut Atkins etc…

with the Rays, Yankees, Blue Jays playing well, somebody has to lose….

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by feslenraster on Apr 24, 2025 5:20 PM EDT reply actions

Realignment won't fix the problems

I respectfully disagree that realignment will fix anything.

Unless there are changes to the economic structure of baseball, the richest clubs will continue to dominate the game. Maybe not every year, but teams with nearly limitless resources can afford to purchase and develop the most talent. They can also afford to cut their losses and eat bad contracts.

Everyone bemoans the Yankee dominance of the past decade. I’d suggest that this isn’t really out of line with the dominance that they exhibited for most of the last century. Between 1921 and 1964, the Yankees won 29 of 44 American League Pennants. The next closest? The Tigers, with four. The Red Sox and White Sox won ONE pennant apiece in this span.

The point is that some of level of parity can only be reached if baseball resolves the issues surrounding economic disparity. Look at the English Premier League in football (soccer). This is arguably the best league in the world, and yet, the same four clubs have dominated the league in recent memory - Chelsea, Manchester United, Arsenal and Liverpool. The fact is that most clubs have NO shot at winning the EPL, or even gaining entry into the prestigious Champions League (the top four teams make it to that tournament). When big money came into the EPL, the same clubs began to dominate the top spots. The top clubs can buy a ton of top-flight talent, and other teams are happy to oblige as selling players via the transfer can be quite profitable. Making this even more problematic is that dynasties are generally good for business - thus, the profitability of many of the EPL clubs have skyrocket as worldwide acclaim for these top clubs grow. Thus, at some level, the incentive is for good teams to remain “the face of the league” because of the revenues that are generated through this name recognition.

I would argue that the same is true for baseball. The Yankees as a brand are worth a fortune. Putting them into a new division won’t solve the fact that they have a lot more money to spend than other clubs.

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by EdJurak on Apr 24, 2025 6:00 PM EDT reply actions

I don't disagree with the premise of what you're saying but...

..Baltimore isn’t a small market team. Yes, it’s not in the same economic level of New York or Boston (Who is?). Though it’s probably historically a similar kind of baseball town that St. Louis is, as far as fanbase, long tradition, and economics.

Sadly, they might seem like a small market team because of their relative talent levels and payrolls, but I assure you, it’s due to mismanagement during the 00s. In the past there have been seasons where the Orioles had the highest payrolls in baseball. Unfortunately, once the losing and bad management starts rolling, the bad reputation precedes itself and good Free Agents with a lot of options just won’t come play for you. And, losing teams tend to be places for ballplayers without less options, that is, mediocre players needing a job, formerly good/injured players looking to re-establish themselves, and/or players who are on their way out of baseball.

by basemonkey on Apr 24, 2025 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions

Firstly

Fire Angelos! Push him out, dig up dirt on him, plant drugs in his office, tell the press he punches babies and kicks puppies…whatever it takes. Then trade the vets including Markakis. His SLG% continues to drop every year and he’s more of a nice all around player than the star they thought he would be. I think he’s now behind Shin Soo Choo in AL RFers personally. So move Markakis, Roberts, Millwood, and let the others like Tejada, Atkins, etc walk in FA after this year. Of couse Angelos would never allow Roberts and Markakis to be traded and that’s the O’s problem…well that and the Yanks, Red Sox, and Rays.

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by Crease Monkey on Apr 24, 2025 8:03 PM EDT reply actions

Ehh

+1 on Angelos. Why would they trade Markakis? He’s one of the few bright spots on this team. He was one of the best players in all of the America League in 2008.

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by ravensfan3 on Apr 24, 2025 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions

I noted why

his SLG% and line drive rates continue to drop, he’s gone from 23-20-18 HRs in the last 3 years, and so far this season he has 0 HRs in 80 ABs. He’s 26 and should be elevating his game in what should be his prime, but instead he’s tailing off…not dramatically but enough to warrant some concern. Again, he’s a very nice all around player, but he’s not a dominant player of which you’d build a team around. Plus he’d bring back the most in return given Millwood’s FA and Roberts’ injury concerns. Look at your system…aside from Josh Bell all the top prospects are P’s. You need positional prospects especially in the INF. If you have a team that isn’t going to compete in the INTL FA market, you have to get them somewhere.

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by Crease Monkey on Apr 25, 2025 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions

The Birds

Keep MacPhail. Hire the taskmaster Buck Showalter to manage this team for a few seasons. By then the young core of players will have a good foundation (and some bitterness?).

The Birds have the makings of a very solid up the middle defense with Wieters and Jones. Go ahead a draft Christian Colon with their first pitch. The trio can play together for awhile.

As stated above, the Orioles have some trading chips from which to trade. Talented young pitching is almost MLB ready. Stick to the plane.

by wilriv21 on Apr 24, 2025 9:17 PM EDT reply actions

If I were GM...

INTERNATIONAL SCOUTING:
I would continue expanding International scouting. A lot of this is done via budgets and finding regional scouts, and it is a very people-oriented, operation. Though there is a lot of infrastructural things that can be done too in terms of frequency of reporting and thoroughness of coverage. The Os for some reason have tended to focus on places in the world that do not produce many baseball players, probably as a way to gain a regional monopoly against other majorleague franchises. The problem has been that, maybe they have been able to draft a few gifted natural athletes on the cheap that would have cost exponentially more if they were, say, from the DR or Japan, but the culture of origin impacts how raw these prospects tend to be, therefore impacts the development time. In the end, is it such a net gain when you factor in the increased developmental investment per player here? I would abolish this strategy and find ways of gaining a bigger foothold in the Korean, Japanese, and DR markets.

The Orioles already have a good model in place to use. Their scouting strategy for the Amateur draft is a 365 day/yr program that is a massive infrastructure designed to collect and compile scouting data on every prospect in the country. During the worst drafting years under Angelos this process was basically done through regional biases and had a lot of holes. What they do now is just a lot more thorough.

by basemonkey on Apr 24, 2025 11:03 PM EDT reply actions

+99999999999999999999999999999

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by ravensfan3 on Apr 24, 2025 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions

New GM

Hire Ozzie Newsome

by ADLC on Apr 25, 2025 6:33 AM EDT reply actions

+1

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by ravensfan3 on Apr 25, 2025 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions

I still don't think there is too much wrong here

The big problem is the lack of presence in the international talent market - the O’s need to be spending like the Royals here. This offseason, the Orioles continued the Angelos tradition of overpaying mediocre free agents to fill holes - this is a big mistake. Instead of looking for the next Carlos Pena, adding Atkins/Tejada et al was foolish, as was giving up a draft pick for Gonzalez (even if he wasn’t hurt/ineffective).

The Orioles should have the goal of creating the best talent pipeline in baseball, and then using their surplus to trade aggressively. Right now, what concerns me most is the failure to go all in on overslot signings in the draft, the failure to enter into the international market, and the ritual ignoring of the Rule V draft to supplement the bullpen. It is hard to say how much of that is Angelos and how much is MacPhail, but they need some new vision in terms of how to put their roster together. But there is no reason why if they make some better personnel decisions that they can’t contend in the near term.

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by James F on Apr 25, 2025 12:36 PM EDT reply actions

WHo did they overpay for?

Just wondering. Every contract was basically a one yr deal. Mike Gonzalez was the only actually pricey one. Every other one seemed like a below market thrifty type of one yr deal. The thing is that they technically do need to field a team. Do they rush their prospects and save 1-3M per position?

Also, they’ve been exclusively signing overslot players lately. Hobgood is the one true anomoly though. Though if you look at their 1-15 rd strategy of the last 3 or so yrs, it’s filled with above slot guys.

by basemonkey on Apr 25, 2025 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions

Everyone

Atkins got $4.5 million. Tejada got $6 million. Gonzalez got $12 over two, plus the second round pick.

Yes, they need to field a team. The difference between Ryan Garko and Atkins was more than the cost of Miguel Sano. The difference between Gonzalez and Matt Capps was $8.5 million plus a draft pick. Even if healthy, is Gonzalez at his best > Capps + Noel Arguelles + a second round pick?

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by James F on Apr 25, 2025 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions

Get a new GM

Spend big on the draft. Spend big in the international market. Stop wasting money on Atkins, Mike Gonzalez, Tejada, Millwood etc. type moves and just be patient.

I would say trade Brian Roberts but his injury depletes his value. Patience, patience, patience.

Andy MacPhail did his job to get the rebuilding process started, as an O’s fan I’m done with him though. Wasted a lot of money this offseason while not going after Chapman and allowing money to play a factor in the draft last year. It’s a tricky topic, but I can’t help but imagine having Matzek in the farm system….

by cowboy4eva on Apr 26, 2025 12:43 AM EDT reply actions

Every GM makes mistakes.

MacPhail is one of the better GMs in the game in my opinion. You could do a hell of a lot worse.

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by alskor on Apr 26, 2025 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions

More about not trusting him with the future

(sorry about the double post, should have replied to your post)

Than about what he’s already done. Good GM’s don’t sign Garrett Atkins and justify him as a solution to the first base problem and a good candidate for a rebound year. A closer signed for big money, at the cost of a second round pick for a rebuilding team? Where’s the logic in that? I’m thankful for Bill Bavasi, things have been going downhill since then.

If MacPhail left the Orioles today, I’d be very complimentary of his time here. But the longer he’s here, the current pattern tells me the more I’ll want him gone.

by cowboy4eva on Apr 26, 2025 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions

Most of these signings weren't big money, though

They were more in the neighborhood of “little ventured, little gained.”

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by alskor on Apr 26, 2025 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions

Even Gonzalez

At his price, he could easily fit as a LH setup man. Its not like he’s killing their budget. He’s a player they liked for awhile and if healthy, he’s a pretty good pitcher.

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by alskor on Apr 26, 2025 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions

More about not trusting him with the future

Than about what he’s already done. Good GM’s don’t sign Garrett Atkins and justify him as a solution to the first base problem and a good candidate for a rebound year. A closer signed for big money, at the cost of a second round pick for a rebuilding team? Where’s the logic in that? I’m thankful for Bill Bavasi, things have been going downhill since then.

If MacPhail left the Orioles today, I’d be very complimentary of his time here. But the longer he’s here, the current pattern tells me the more I’ll want him gone.

by cowboy4eva on Apr 26, 2025 1:07 AM EDT reply actions

my 2 cents

1. The most important thing for me is player developement. Not to say that a collection of instructors haven’t been working hard at this for the Orioles, but the fact is they are not producing fundamentally sound baseball players.And beyond that I believe that the lack of this ability has cost the organization quite a few players over the years and robbed those young men of thier dreams. How many players have come down the pipe line over the past 15 years that no only were the O’s excited about but the entire baseball community as a whole, but one after another of these kids have turned into a scrap heap of unmet potential and broken dreams.Now bare with me,over the past week there has been rumblings of the possibility of Cal joining the organization in some aspect or another.Well to me this is the place for either him or his brother Billy. And while I’m at it I want to address a statement by Kieth Law, and I quote:

Steve (Baltimore, MD)

Can you please remind my fellow O’s fans that Cal Ripken has no better chance of winning with this roster than anyone else? I’m sick of people thinking a former HOF player will be a HOF manager….

Klaw (1:10 PM)

Done. And this has to be the stupidest media-created “controversy” of the year. The fact that Ripken played for the Orioles for all of those years does not entitle him to a front-office or coaching job when he decides he wants one - nor, as you said, does it qualify him for such a job, or mean that he’ll be any good at it.

I’m usually not into bashing Kieth, as it seems to be a very popular sport but this responce is just plain ignorant and un-informed. First off the Ripken brothers had front seat access as thier father was a huge contributor in one of the most successful farm systems in the history of baseball.A farm system that for 20 years produced major league ready players at an astounding pace. Beyond that didn’t cal coach the Oriole’s infield from the SS position for almost 2 decades and even going as far as calling pitches.I believe the Ripken brothers with the highest 2nd/SS combo single season fielding percentage in the history of the game have a little bit of Knowledge on how to get things done on the diamond, lets be honest that wasn’t Ozzie and omar out there.I believe if your not willing to sell that family the team, maybe this is where they fit in.

If you can’t excell at player developement, then you can’t and never will be a mid-market team that will be able to compete in the Al-east.

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by fourfingerwoo on Apr 26, 2025 8:25 AM EDT reply actions

If I Were the GM...

Stick with your core nucleus of young players/prospects and move all of your older pieces to get value. They have no chance of competing in the next 2 years, so why not get value for those players that could help in the future?

2012 Lineup
C- Wieters
1B- OPEN - Snyder makes sense here, but they could look at what is available via trade
2B- Roberts - I think they should trade him, but he may still be around
3B- Josh Bell
SS-
OF- Markakis
OF- Reimold
OF- Jones
OF4- Pie

SP- Matusz
SP- Tillman
SP- Arrieta
SP- Britton
SP- Hobgood/Hernandez/Insert Prospect Here or even go get a cheap innings eating veteran to help develop these young SPs

In all honesty, I think the Orioles have a nice nucleus for the future. Wieters can be a superstar, and Markakis hasn’t been as good as what he can be. If all goes right, they could be giving the Yankees/Red Sox/Rays some competition in 3 years.

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by punto4mvp on Apr 26, 2025 9:38 AM EDT reply actions


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