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Bryce Harper's Makeup

Just read an article on Yahoo that references Kevin Goldstein on the makeup of Bryce Harper.

 


The Makeup: This should not be underrated. It's impossible to find any talent evaluator who isn't blown away by Harper's ability on the field, but it's equally difficult to find one who doesn't genuinely dislike the kid.

One scout called him among the worst amateur players he's ever seen from a makeup standpoint, with top-of-the-scale arrogance, a disturbingly large sense of entitlement, and on-field behavior that includes taunting opponents.

"He's just a bad, bad guy," said one front-office official. "He's basically the anti-Joe Mauer."

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Saw this. I don't want to say its not a concern...

but I dont want to overreact to this yet. I think much of this stuff is overrated. I already had this impression of the kid anyway. Still in wait and see mode.

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by alskor on Apr 23, 2025 2:01 PM EDT reply actions

who cares

all he is is ahead of the curve.

as i’ve stated before i have numerous family and friends that play/played pro ball and have hungout with at least 50 guys on an upclose personal level, that list probably expands to over 100 players if you count players i’ve just rubbed elbows with. I would say that 40-50% are self entitled assholes. I could tell story after story of instances of attitudes and personalities that have taken me aback.

The difference is he is displayign thsi behavior at 17 instead of 25. It doesn’t affect what he does on the field and he is doing nothing that is breaking any laws, so I say who cares

by ScottAZ on Apr 23, 2025 2:07 PM EDT reply actions

yep

you think Michael Jordan is a nice guy? Kobe?

not everyone is a Zobrist

by daveh33 on Apr 23, 2025 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions

You're definitely right

But its not like scouts didn’t see it in those guys. A lot of people who regularly watch and interact with pro athletes seem to think the kid takes it too far, especially w/ taunting opponents on the field. Like I said, not a big deal most likely… definitely something I’ll keep an eye on, though.

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by alskor on Apr 23, 2025 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions

Agreed

I worked for a AA team in the Eastern league for a summer a few years back, got a chance to spend a lot of time with these guys (a few of them current major leaguers), and they are all pretty much the way Scott describes them. Quite self-entitled, very cocky, even then bench guys.

That said, to stand out above the rest in this way isn’t a great thing. I prefer nice guys, but being a jerk isn’t going to take away from your value. Some makeup stuff I get worried about, and other stuff I just chalk up to being a pro athlete

If this guy had a tendency of being violent, of drinking, drug addiction, of making bad decision off the field, etc, then I would be concerned and would have to question picking him. He’s a jerk? So what?

He’s the easy choice to go first overall

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by Jgaztambide on Apr 23, 2025 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions

+1

I don’t care if the guy is a little cocky.

As long as he’s cool with his teammates, then I’m cool.

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by Frederick0220 on Apr 23, 2025 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions

Jeff George would have been great at Baseball

Had he possessed baseball skills comparable to his football tools. Baseball is much more like golf than it is like football or basketball when it comes to “teamwork”. Barry Bonds was the biggest A-hole ever and ignoring the roids was the greatest player in the game since Babe Ruth.

I’ll pass judgement on Harper in a few years as to whether he’s a complete A-hole or not.

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by Wilbur Wood on Apr 23, 2025 2:31 PM EDT reply actions

Ryan Leaf anyone

I wouldnt touch this kid with a ten foot pole.

Makeup is huge. Its reflects how a player reacts to adversity. Early on in a professional career, there is tons of failure, taunting and ejections as a 17 year old turn into major character issues and head problems as a pro.

If you can take the risk, and the Nats cant, go ahead and risk your pick and money on him. He probably will produce, but this story shows that he is a MAJOR risk to take on the first pick, let alone top 10. Hopefully if the Nats do take him he holds out and doesnt sign, allowing the Nats at the very least the #2 pick in 2011.

by backtocali on Apr 23, 2025 2:40 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Not Really

Makeup =/= Character

Yet again Dewey makes a post about something he has absolutely no clue about. Though I guess if he did limit his posts to stuff he knows, it’d probably be bed wetting and breakfast cereals ….

You’re seriously overstating the risk of being a tool. There is no such stat as arrogance to hits ratio because it’s a ridiculous notion. I think being arrogant is a GOOD thing. I want my best players to know that they’re better than their opponents and not doubt their abilities.

There is NO risk whatsoever with being arrogant. So what you’re saying is that you’d rather have at least 10 other prospects than him? That’s retarded.

I reject your reality and substitute my own.

by WayneCampbell08 on Apr 24, 2025 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions

um

I never posted my thoughts in the fanpost, just bringing to everyone’s attention what I read on Yahoo (from Kevin Goldstein of Baseball Prospectus) for the purpose of discussion. I figured it would be interesting to see how people feel about it or interpret it. Makeup seems to be an interesting subject when it comes to athletes, especially with all the controversy we have seen recently (Tiger Woods, Ben Roethlisberger). Did you feel misled by my title and thought that this post would be about cosmetics? Sorry.

Don’t quite understand your hostility towards me. I don’t mind though, because it is quite flattering knowing that I can fuel such strong emotion in someone, even if its uncontrollable rage and throwing darts at my picture on your bedroom wall.

Dude, unclench your fists, take a deep breath, and have a diet pepsi. You’ll feel better.

JOSH THOLE > carlos santana

by Dewey Finn on Apr 24, 2025 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions

LOL

At the idea that you bother me as much as a random fly buzzing my monitor. Though the fly is harder to swat down ….

I reject your reality and substitute my own.

by WayneCampbell08 on Apr 25, 2025 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions

Wayne, you know how I have respect for you,

but you seem to be hating on Dewey for no reason.

Dewey is a fine fellow with a unique set of insights into prospect analysis.

In this particular thread, he was merely citing KG’s idiocy.

Notice the blue quote boxes.

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by Frederick0220 on Apr 24, 2025 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions

Answer

You must not have been around last summer when Dewey descended on the board like a plague of locusts. Posting one idiotic thread after another. All you have to do is look at his insance sig to figure out what it must have been like.

I reject your reality and substitute my own.

by WayneCampbell08 on Apr 25, 2025 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions

I was there, my friend.

It was very funny.

He and KBR basically ran this shit for a while.

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by Frederick0220 on Apr 25, 2025 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions

Thanks

Don’t worry. Once work, and life, gets under control I will make sure to start posting regularly again. You have not seen the last of the Dewey KBR Connection.

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by King Billy Royal on Apr 26, 2025 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions

Very nice.

am looking forward to it……

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by Frederick0220 on Apr 26, 2025 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions

What exactly is your problem with this thread?

Dewey just posted some quotes from Goldstein about the #1 prospect in the upcoming draft. What exactly upset you?

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by King Billy Royal on Apr 25, 2025 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions

It has nothing really to do with what he posted, just that he posted it. Seems pretty obvious it has more to do with the author than the content, which is often the case.

by jfish26101 on Apr 27, 2025 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions

That is just sad...

But not shocking.

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by King Billy Royal on Apr 28, 2025 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions

Barry Bonds anyone

I’d smoke about ten poles to touch this kid.

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by thedirkatron on Apr 25, 2025 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions

Make-up is just that......made up

Haters are jealous of Bryce.

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by Frederick0220 on Apr 23, 2025 3:23 PM EDT reply actions

idk what that is.....

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by Frederick0220 on Apr 23, 2025 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions

Not much of a concern for me

Some of the things that I’ve read about his on field behavior aren’t exactly welcomed, but he wants to succeed and he has the talent. That’s enough for me.

by jar75 on Apr 23, 2025 3:31 PM EDT reply actions

Is he a bad, bad guy

in the Ben Roethlisberger sense or a bad, bad guy in the TO sense?

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by Michael Cave on Apr 23, 2025 3:39 PM EDT reply actions

a bad guy in the

tyler shreeve sense?

by SoCalSoxFan on Apr 24, 2025 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions

This is concering...

Two things:
If scouts, who are used to being around cocky and arrogant players, are noticing that Harper is worse, that says quite a bit. Sounds like he is worse than most average players.

Also, this kind of thing can affect his on field performance. All the stories I hear about these special talent kids who don’t make it in the pros, not just baseball either, have one of two reasons they don’t make it. Either injury, or they have work ethic problems as an adult because they never had to try hard growing up. Look at Todd Marinovich, Michael Vick, Corleone Clark, etc. So stories that Harper is a prick with a sense of entitlement are worrisome.

And if he is pissing off teammates, that isn’t good. I know baseball is about the one team sport that is less team oriented… but catcher is the position that you need to have a team-first guy at.

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by Boxkutter on Apr 23, 2025 3:52 PM EDT reply actions

I don't really expect him to stick at catcher

He’ll get a chance to, but I’d bet on RF.

by jar75 on Apr 23, 2025 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions

Work Ethic is not the issue

At least so far Harper’s rep is that he is extremely baseball-driven. A cage rat and physically fit.

Vick, pre-prison, was “coasting” on ability, smoking dope and not studying film.

Marinovich was a HOF addict.

Harper’s rep is ego and some taunting.

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by Wilbur Wood on Apr 23, 2025 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions

You could also spin it the other way

The kid is so arrogant and cocky because he knows his talent and how hard he works a la Michael Jordan. He has the most talent AND works harder than everyone else.

"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales

by Michael Cave on Apr 24, 2025 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions

He's 17...

How many 17 year old’s are douches? Think about Kobe at that age…

by NastyNate82 on Apr 24, 2025 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions

can only hope he's the next Canseco

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by daveh33 on Apr 23, 2025 4:00 PM EDT reply actions

canseco is delusional

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by Frederick0220 on Apr 23, 2025 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions

He needs Tim Tebow as a mentor

JOSH THOLE > carlos santana

by Dewey Finn on Apr 23, 2025 4:39 PM EDT reply actions

He needs Tim Tebow Josh Thole as a mentor

Adoptive parent of Kyle Nicholson

by gore51 on Apr 23, 2025 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions

He needs Tim Tebow Josh Thole Nick Punto as a mentor

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by punto4mvp on Apr 26, 2025 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions

Alex Rodriguez, Albert belle, Barry Bonds, Curt Schilling, Ty Cobb, Kenny Lofton, Manny Ramirez, Roger Clemens, Reggie Jackson, Jonathan Pappelbon, Gary Sheffield, Chipper Jones

I mean, these are just a few guys who are tremendous players who people hate off the top of my head, but what you’re pointing to isn’t something like “runs with a bad crowd” or “has a criminal record” or “has violent tendencies.” The kid has been overhyped for years now, of course he’s going to get a big head. I’d honestly rather have someone who is a cocky ass than someone who lacks confidence. This isn’t much of a concern to me, nor do I think it should be to anyone. If you were on the cover of Sports Illustrated, projected as the #1 overall pick, and getting more play than Flavor Flav, you’d be hard pressed not to be a bit of a douche too.

You’re name has 2k9 in it — what are you some 8 year-old who makes Pillsbury Doughboy cookies and jerks off to that bullshit video game with Tim Lincecum on the cover--
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by Mets2k9 on Apr 23, 2025 5:33 PM EDT reply actions

Also, considering baseball is the least team game of all team sports

I think this is probably the sport where ass holes can succeed the most. I mean, Ichiro is a pariah in Seattle’s clubhouse, but the team still has produced.

You’re name has 2k9 in it — what are you some 8 year-old who makes Pillsbury Doughboy cookies and jerks off to that bullshit video game with Tim Lincecum on the cover--
Frederick0220

by Mets2k9 on Apr 23, 2025 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions

A-Rod...

I don’t know if I’d lump A-Rod in the group of jerks. He’s actually a really nice dude, I’ve been around him several times and I have never seen him act like he’s better than someone else or any of that stuff. He might have arrogance on the field, but lots of guys do that and I don’t think that’s even a bad thing necessarily.

by loop on Apr 23, 2025 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions

Right, Dewey's quotes refer to Harper's on field arrogance

You’re name has 2k9 in it — what are you some 8 year-old who makes Pillsbury Doughboy cookies and jerks off to that bullshit video game with Tim Lincecum on the cover--
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by Mets2k9 on Apr 23, 2025 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions

I think it's a bit more than arrogance

I am absolutely on your side, but I remember reading that he took a bow in the outfield after throwing out a runner at first base (I’ve been looking but can’t find where I read that at). Those sort of things bother me, but it wouldn’t in anyway keep me from taking him.

by jar75 on Apr 23, 2025 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions

How is this any different than Joba fist pumping like a retard, or Manny/Ortiz flipping the bat every time they launch one? This isn’t rare for a kid of this level of ability. I remember when Kyle Drabek was “dropping” because he had a habit of “showing off” on the mound.

by metafour on Apr 23, 2025 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions

Well it's a bit more blatant

But I agree that too much is being made out of his make-up. I don’t think it’s a major issue, but it is something that I’d rather see a player not do.

by jar75 on Apr 23, 2025 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions

THIS

x100000.

A-Rod is a complete douchebag, got caught trying to throw off defenders while he was running around the bases. The guy is still one of the hardest workers in the game.

Basically makeup issues are a problem if they are going to affect YOUR play or somehow your teammates. Baseball is very self-oriented so the teammate stuff isn’t overly likely. Is Bryce Harper’s douche-level affecting his play in any way? Uhhhh….NO. This kid inhales baseball, the amount of time he has put in to be as good as he is at age 17 is ridiculous. He is simply a young phenom who has been in the spotlight so long that its hard not to be self-centered. Dude had an SI cover story at what? Age 16?

by metafour on Apr 23, 2025 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions

This is no different from Todd McShay's baseless aspersion of Jimmy Clausen.

Very sad and quite the shame.

Can’t say I’m surprised, given the dishonorable person who Goldstein happens to be.

Really a disgrace of a human being, but for some reason people appear too reluctant to admit it.

This is typical KG pulling quotes out of his ass that were never actually uttered.

I would really like to see Goldstein say this unfounded shit to Harper’s face…….

Guys like Callis, Manuel, Sickles, and Foster do great things for this industry.

Then you have KG, who singlehandedly negates all the good in this community.

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by Frederick0220 on Apr 23, 2025 6:01 PM EDT reply actions

any stories behind the goldstein hate?

common knowledge?

Fire Everyone

by billybeingbilly on Apr 23, 2025 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions

+1

Freddy just Susan Hawk’d KG.

JOSH THOLE > carlos santana

by Dewey Finn on Apr 23, 2025 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions

Goldstein is mad that Harper isn’t a 16 year old latin kid. If that were the case he’d be Top 5 already on his Top 100.

by metafour on Apr 23, 2025 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions

spot on

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by Frederick0220 on Apr 23, 2025 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions

The fear is that he turns into another Milton Bradley

A fantastic talent, but so full of himself and unable to preform with his teammates that no one wants him.

I saw a couple people here say that as long as he interacts with teammates, its OK… isn’t that kinda the problem? He is having problems with opponents, and most likely, teammates as well.. I still think he’ll go #1, but the Nats should know they could be picking up the next Arod like hitter, or the next Milton Bradley.. a huge risk… if they feel that another guy comes close to his talent, dont be shocked if they do pass on him…

by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Apr 23, 2025 8:02 PM EDT reply actions

No way he becomes Milton Bradley.

Bradley is a primadonna like no other.

This is merely KG making a desperate attempt for attention by hosing on an innocent 17 year-old kid.

What a badath.

Brett Anderson is the Truth. Brett Anderson is divine presence. Brett Anderson is eternal life. Brett Anderson is within you. Brett Anderson is here. Brett Anderson is Now.

by Frederick0220 on Apr 23, 2025 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions

how can you say that with such confidence?

Bradley has shown in the majors he is a major offensive contributor, when happy. However, more than not, he is hurt or hates his team. Im not saying that harper with have the injuries Bradley has had, but from reports, he has the character issues…

by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Apr 23, 2025 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions

seriously, man...

Bradley’s character issues are astronomical….no way Harper’s are remotely close to that bad.

Brett Anderson is the Truth. Brett Anderson is divine presence. Brett Anderson is eternal life. Brett Anderson is within you. Brett Anderson is here. Brett Anderson is Now.

by Frederick0220 on Apr 23, 2025 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions

hopefully he isnt that bad

from the reports that ive heard(and my opinion is only based off what I and everyone else reads, Ive never met the kid), he could be on that level… which would be really sad

by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Apr 23, 2025 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions

I disagree

He sounds extremely arrogant to me and does some questionable things on the field as far as sportsmanship, but I wouldn’t be surprised at all if those things mellow as he grows up.

by jar75 on Apr 23, 2025 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions

Well

He’ll never be able to play the race card like Milton does on a daily basis.

I reject your reality and substitute my own.

by WayneCampbell08 on Apr 24, 2025 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions

Play the race card?

If Bradley was a white guy, he’d be Jeff Kent. It’s hilarious to hear everything Bradley does being blown out of proportion, just because he’s a black guy who doesn’t care much about pleasing anyone in the media or on another team.

Bradley’s almost universally called a good teammate by the guys he plays with.

by PissedMick on Apr 25, 2025 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions

Didn't see the Kent reference elsewhere.

And now that I think about it, Kent was a pretty big dick to many of his teammates, which Bradley is not.

The black Erik Bedard?

by PissedMick on Apr 25, 2025 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions

"just because he's a black guy who doesn't care much about pleasing anyone in the media or on another team."

Way to leave out the multiple altercations with umpires (leading to suspensions), criticizing his own team (suspension), and his attempt to beat the shit out of the Royals announcer.

I’m sure that there are more that I’m leaving out, but nice effort to portray him as as an indifferent fellow, when in actuality, he has been a distraction to each organization that he has played on…with tremendous anger issues.

Brett Anderson is the Truth. Brett Anderson is divine presence. Brett Anderson is eternal life. Brett Anderson is within you. Brett Anderson is here. Brett Anderson is Now.

by Frederick0220 on Apr 25, 2025 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions

With Bradley, the lion's share of the distraction he brings comes from outside influences.

I don’t blame him for the fact that the media wants to demonize him because it makes a good story, or because umpires look for any excuse to “take him down a peg”. There are so many worse people in baseball than Milton Bradley, it’s astounding that people focus on him like they do. But again, he’s a very intelligent, often arrogant, guy who doesn’t care about presenting himself in a way that’ll make you happy. And he’s black. I’m far from a race-baiter, but it’s blatantly obvious that race plays a huge part in these situations as well.

by PissedMick on Apr 25, 2025 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions

In addition...

I’ve seen multiple examples of umpires baiting Milton Bradley on the field, which is frankly more unforgivable than anything Bradley has ever done. I believe the reason umpires are predisposed to treat Bradley differently is more a result of the way he is portrayed than by anything he does on or off the field.

by PissedMick on Apr 25, 2025 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions

That could be the case.

I have heard him speak a few times, and he actuallty is quite well-spoken.

The anger is a serious issue, though……don’t know if umps actually do bait him or not, but that level of anger is scary.

Brett Anderson is the Truth. Brett Anderson is divine presence. Brett Anderson is eternal life. Brett Anderson is within you. Brett Anderson is here. Brett Anderson is Now.

by Frederick0220 on Apr 25, 2025 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions

One umpire (Mike Winters) was suspended for the rest of the season because of an incident he started with Bradley.

Milton’s far from an angel, but the “everybody’s against me” attitude he has isn’t completely made up either.

by PissedMick on Apr 25, 2025 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions

You Know

I was a Bradley apologist about 16 months ago before he played for the Cubs. It’s always everybody else’s fault but his. Go ahead thinking that he’s some unfortunate bystander in all the chaos revolving around him. Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt.

I reject your reality and substitute my own.

by WayneCampbell08 on Apr 25, 2025 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions

oops

The point is that everything Milton Bradley does gets blown completely out of proportion because it makes for a good story.

Yeah, he’s a weird guy with some entitlement and personality issues. Not like all the humble and magnanimous athletes you typically see in professional sports. He’s nothing near as bad a guy as his public perception though, and it’s mostly the media’s fault.

by PissedMick on Apr 25, 2025 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions

In fairness on the umpire issue

Umpires are definitely out to get Bradley to some degree at this point, evidenced by him blowing his knee out in San Diego due to an ump talking trash to him.

by Fanon on Apr 26, 2025 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions

Really?

Just tell me how many Cubs’ players are in his fan club.

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by WayneCampbell08 on Apr 25, 2025 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions

+1

Well said.

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Apr 25, 2025 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions

Harper is a baseball junkie. You really think this guy is going to “not perform” because his teammates dont like him? This kid is as good as he is because he has put his life into this game. If he has to, he will play for himself.

by metafour on Apr 23, 2025 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions

Bradley's attitude

Bradley’s attitude would be much less of an issue if he could stay healthy for a full season.

by Fanon on Apr 24, 2025 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions

Jeff Kent was a pretty terrible guy

And he didn’t have the excuse of being a teenager, but he was the best player in his draft. And if Sabean hadn’t been the one building a team around him and Bonds, two low-character guys could have a bunch of rings.

by aap212 on Apr 23, 2025 8:13 PM EDT reply actions

Kent

and most of these other guys everyone was mentioning never had THIS type of concern at THIS age though. . .it’s a big difference. . . most of these guys became D’bags after making something of themselves in the show. I still don’t think he will be the first pick, and this is just ONE reason why.

by SoCalSoxFan on Apr 24, 2025 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions

Harper is a unique case

There have been very few players (any?) who have received the kind of hype that he has. He has been living up to it as a baseball player, but to think a 17 year old kid won’t have some of that go to his head is a bit far fetched. He almost certainly needs to grow up, and I think there’s a good chance that he will, although it may not happen until he goes through his first bit of adversity.

I’d be pretty damn surprised if he didn’t go 1.1.

by jar75 on Apr 24, 2025 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions

find me ANYTHING on Jeff Kent when he was a junior in HS

anything that tells me he wasnt a huge dbag

Fire Everyone

by billybeingbilly on Apr 24, 2025 3:13 AM EDT up reply actions

You missed the point

It wouldn’t matter if he was a huge dbag in HS or not because he wasn’t in Harper’s league at this age. If he had the sort of knocks as Harper without being arguably the best 17 year old player we’ve ever seen, that would have been a huge issue. The better your are at a young age, the more likely you’ll be arrogant about it. Just the way it is.

by nixa37 on Apr 24, 2025 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions

no. i didn't.

unless one thinks addressing strawman arguments is worthwhile.

by larry on Apr 24, 2025 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions

Which strawman argument is that?

The one that billybeingbilly was making fun of with his post? Do you not see how this argument

Kent and most of these other guys everyone was mentioning never had THIS type of concern at THIS age though. . .it’s a big difference. . . most of these guys became D’bags after making something of themselves in the show.
is a strawman argument? We don’t have any idea how bad those guys were at Harper’s age because they weren’t in the same league as Harper at his age. They weren’t under the microscope he’s been put under and they weren’t nearly as good as he is. If you don’t understand the lunacy of that argument, then I’m not surprised you missed the point of his post.

by nixa37 on Apr 24, 2025 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions

you cant find anything on him...

b/c nobody cared about Jeff Kent at the age of 17….Harper’s under the microscope and he’s acting like many 17 year olds do/would in his situation.

People are just looking for flaws in Harper. Right before the season, people were questioning different parts of his game. Now that he’s destroying the league, there’s nothing baseball-wise to attack, so they’re moving on.

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by billybeingbilly on Apr 24, 2025 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions

Note that no where does it say he has any problems with Teammates

Hell, I want my star player to HATE the other team

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by Mets2k9 on Apr 23, 2025 9:15 PM EDT reply actions

you are right

but that is the kind of stuff that is never reported, unless it gets to Padilla-like bad. The only time problems with teammates is reported to the media is when someone gets hurt in a fight or after the player leaves the team… from the problems it sounds like he has with opponets, i dont think problems with his teammates is far fetched…

by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Apr 23, 2025 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions

Deadspin is usually full of rubbish and their opinion is not to be valued, but their take on the situation is very well articulated.
Harper is 17 years old. There has never been a 17-year-old boy who didn’t make the adults around him want to put him through a wall. And there has never been a 17-year-old boy quite like Bryce Harper, anyway. The kid skipped his last two years of high school so he could become a professional baseball player a year early, and here he is, 10 months after Sports Illustrated all but strapped a cross to his back and posed him on a hill in Golgotha, and now he’s swinging a wooden bat against older competition, in front of scouts and assorted national media and lots of people holding video cameras, under circumstances that at times must feel like playing baseball inside a snow globe, and at the moment he’s hitting .401/.494/.866. Of course he’s arrogant. So is every great baseball player ever, even Joe Mauer, who simply hides it better. You know who’s the truly arrogant one here, though? The front-office guy who feels he’s qualified to condemn a 17-year-old’s humanity on account of the kid not saying aw-shucks enough.

This is precisely how I feel. Who cares if he thinks he’s better than everybody else. He probably is. The desire to be the best is what drives the truly elite. Ted Williams drive was for people to see him on the street and say there goes the best hitter who ever lived. That’s the definition of arrogance. Sure, some assholes get complacent and don’t take the game seriously because it’s easy for them (I’m looking at you Ken Griffey Jr!). That causes some of them to fail, some succeed because they truly are better and a few take that match their talent with work ethic and dominate their game (Bonds, Williams, ect.). I don’t know what category Harper falls in, but I do know I want him on my favorite team.

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by Tyler on Apr 23, 2025 9:21 PM EDT reply actions

I wouldnt say that about Griffey

He played the game as hard as he could and got hurt a LOT because of it. If anything, he played too hard for his body to catch up… He put everything he had into the game and injuries probably prevented him from being the HR king right now…

by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Apr 23, 2025 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions

Griffey got hurt a lot because he didn't take care of his body.

Yes he played hard, but he did not work hard off the field. Chone Figgins got him to stop drinking soda this year, he was drinking 11-12 sodas a day. That’s 1600 empty calories a day! That is a work ethic issue. His body ballooned as he got older because he didn’t work-out and eat correctly and you could make a pretty good argument that that is the reason he continued to get hurt.

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by Tyler on Apr 24, 2025 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

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by alskor on Apr 24, 2025 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions

Yep.

Griffey laughed at the idea that he was supposed to stretch. That lasted him until he turned 30. Then he pulled his hammy. And it never got better. Then he got fat.

by slamcactus on Apr 24, 2025 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions

It is really shocking how many guys you find like this in pro sports

Guys who have so much natural talent they don’t have to work. Its far more common than you think.

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by alskor on Apr 25, 2025 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions

really?

“You know who’s the truly arrogant one here, though? The front-office guy who feels he’s qualified to condemn a 17-year-old’s humanity on account of the kid not saying aw-shucks enough.”

Arrogant is articles like those from deadspin that assume front office guys are condemning a player like Harper because he doesn’t act humble enough. They have absolutely no idea whether Harper really does have makeup issues. And in their absolute lack of knowledge, totally condemn others (who actually do have the skill to assess) in their assessment of Harper. The only positive thing they can say in Harpers favour is that he is 17.

by pedrophile on Apr 23, 2025 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions

Every player a team signs is an investment, nothing wrong with a FO looking/dissecting every single aspect of the player both on and off the field. Media and fans have long thought they could do just as well as FO execs in most sports, just listen to nearly any local sports show. There may not be a problem here but it’s sort of the FO’s job to find out whether there is a problem and manage their investments accordingly.

That said, the fan in me has had questions about him for a while now. Seeing a C with his size/athleticism and skill at the plate is easy to fall in love with. While I still question whether he will be a C long term, I have to say he really is excelling at the plate in a situation where everything is working against him. I know we are primarily focusing on the negative “makeup” flags here but that is a pretty big positive makeup flag.

by jfish26101 on Apr 24, 2025 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions

By the way, wasn’t being negative towards you just reinforcing that it’s sort of comical for a media outlet to paint the FO as arrogant for doing their jobs even if it’s Deadspin’s job to sensationalize everything they can.

by jfish26101 on Apr 24, 2025 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions

agreed

I also find it comical. I’m not sure if any of this “makeup” issues will have any impact whatsoever. But it’s worth keeping in mind.

by pedrophile on Apr 25, 2025 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions

Is he coachable?

That’s the most important part of a players makeup. It’s probably why Delmon Young hasn’t succeeded with all the talent he has. And it’s why Blalock is in the minors trying to get a job.

by pedrophile on Apr 23, 2025 9:50 PM EDT reply actions

I was just about to post this.

The fact that Harper is extremely arrogant or somewhat of a douchebag doesn’t matter that much to me, but if he’s so big headed that he will not be coached or fails to listen to instructions well, that would be a huge concern. I also question how he will deal with failure. God knows he will go through tough times as professional and if his character doesn’t allow him to deal with it or if he starts putting blame on everything and everyone around him, he probably won’t succeed.

That said, I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but to just shrug off these comments is a bit too easy imo. It’s certainly something to keep a close eye on.

by JP_Frost on Apr 24, 2025 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions

+1

I agree with you and Pedrophile 100%.

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by King Billy Royal on Apr 24, 2025 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions

Fine

Show me any quote anywhere that says that he’s uncoachable. Or that he doesn’t listen to them. That’s a quantum leap from the crap Dewey posted.

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by WayneCampbell08 on Apr 24, 2025 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions

Perhaps if you read my comment again you’ll notice that i never said this was the case, but that his attitude could be or become a problem in that department.

by JP_Frost on Apr 24, 2025 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions

+ 1/2

I agree for the most part.

I think the main concern though is that he is widely considered as a prick. Let’s be honest here - teams are willing to put up with a-holes when they are producing on the field. But the minute that production slips, they get kicked to the curb in a hurry. They get no second chances. Just look at how Bonds, Albert Belle, etc “retired” even though they still had something left in the tank. If the player is putting up MVP numbers, there is no issue. But one off season is all they sometimes need to be forced out of the game for good.

by guru4u on Apr 26, 2025 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions

Tiger Woods

Another great guy.

Face it; all the elite athletes you are fooled into thinking are “class” guys are most likely just playing the best charade.

by metafour on Apr 23, 2025 11:15 PM EDT reply actions

He's 17!

If this is still a problem at 20-21, then it’s an issue.

by BryceHarper on Apr 24, 2025 10:39 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

+1

The first poster to really understand what the real problem is.

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by WayneCampbell08 on Apr 24, 2025 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions

It's not an issue at 20-21 if he's willing to work hard.

Bonds was an asshole from 17-present and is one of the 5 best hitters in the history of the game.

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by Tyler on Apr 24, 2025 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions

Bonds was an asshole from 17-present and is one of the 5 best hitters in the history of the game.

by slamcactus on Apr 24, 2025 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions

Ruth and Williams were undoubtedly better than Bonds.

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by Frederick0220 on Apr 25, 2025 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions

Undoubtedly? Bold statement.

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by icanplaythird on Apr 25, 2025 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions

I doubt Ruth or Williams would OPS .900 in this day and age, at least not without major coaching adjustments

They were playing against the modern-day equivalent of like single-A talent.

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by PaulThomas on Apr 25, 2025 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions

+1

They also played in much bigger ballparks then those of today’s standards.

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by King Billy Royal on Apr 25, 2025 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions

you cant be serious

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by billybeingbilly on Apr 25, 2025 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions

.900 may be a bit extreme

but the quality of competition Barry Bonds faced was much, much harder than the competition Babe Ruth and Ted Williams faced. Nutritional differences, strength training differences, mechanics (entire new pitches have been developed), relief specialists, and a much, much larger talent pool (double the U.S. population, add african american ballplayers, not to mention Latin America) mean that Barry Bonds and Babe Ruth played in entirely different leagues. Barry Bonds in his prime was a better hitter than Babe Ruth or Ted Williams in their respective primes. He had to be to put up raw numbers anywhere near what Ruth and Williams accomplished. The game is that much harder today.

by slamcactus on Apr 25, 2025 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions

I think the most fair way is to give the greatest weight to how far they were above their contemporaries...

Ruth stands alone, though Bonds looks great. Ruth has the pitching career AND (people forget) he was an excellent defensive OFer until later in his career (though most remember him as the portly, older Ruth).

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by alskor on Apr 25, 2025 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions

comparing with contemporaries is the only way to do it...

otherwise nobody from pre 1970ish (?) would be in the top 50 best players in basketball or football.

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by billybeingbilly on Apr 25, 2025 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions

I don’t think you can say the same thing about baseball though. It’s a skill game where the skill could/can translate to different eras. Athleticism has less of an impact on baseball than it does with basketball/football, comparing baseball eras is probably more like comparing golf eras.

We aren’t talking about motor sports here when you bring up technological advances, baseball is largely the same sport it was 100+ years ago. New pitches have been added but the rules are stricter now…of course there weren’t many rules against performance enhancing drugs but it wasn’t much of an issue back then. Certainly there have been advances in training, medicine, coaching, mechanics, etc but, as someone alluded to, Ruth were playing today he would also benefit from all of those things. The parks are certainly smaller, the baseball has been changed, the mound has been changed…many of the changes have hurt pitching and helped hitting.

I’m just not sure someone could come up with an argument strong enough for me to agree Bonds was clearly better than Ruth or Mays, possibly Williams but he left to defend his country twice altering his career. I do feel Bonds is one of the 5 best players of all time though.

by jfish26101 on Apr 27, 2025 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions

Bonds is an asshole from 17-present and without steriods would not be one of the 5 best hitters in the history of the game.

by Looney4baseball on Apr 25, 2025 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions

You are right, Easily.

He would have probably been in the 6-10 range, if not a bit lower.

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by Frederick0220 on Apr 25, 2025 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions

That attitude is sort of a problem though, it’s the type of attitude that leads to this being a problem when he is 20-21 or 30-31. At some point someone has to tell/show/prove what he is doing is wrong, people don’t normally wake up one day with a completely different attitude and approach. 20% of the posts in this thread basically say being anything from immature to being an asshole to being a complete headcase are fine as long as you produce on the field. Again, I think that attitude is a problem.

by jfish26101 on Apr 24, 2025 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions

Boring

This is nothing but the usual pre-draft drivel, nitpicking to death all the top prospects, irregardless of the sport. We went through the same BS last year with all the breathless pronouncements of Strasburg’s supposed failings. Get a life people.

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by WayneCampbell08 on Apr 24, 2025 12:23 PM EDT reply actions

Boring?

Yet you have made several comments within this thread…

Hypocrite.

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by Dewey Finn on Apr 24, 2025 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions

Bug

Now buzz off.

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by WayneCampbell08 on Apr 25, 2025 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions

lol

you guys are hilarious

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by punto4mvp on Apr 26, 2025 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions

There is something wrong with being an asshole though....

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by King Billy Royal on Apr 24, 2025 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions

not really

its not like anyone has to be friends with the guy

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by billybeingbilly on Apr 24, 2025 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions

I don't care about that...

It doesn’t excuse him if he treats people like dirt. It may not impact his talent, but I don’t think it will help him. People make too many excuses for athletes of exceptional skill and then blame them when they cross the line (I’m looking at you Big Ben).

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by King Billy Royal on Apr 24, 2025 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions

Ben is a serial rapist?

Has he even been charged with a crime? I think Ben is an idiot but calling him a serial rapist seems a little extreme. The first girl who accused him of rape was obviously a trumped up lawsuit considering she tried to date him AFTER she said he raped her. I believe that Ben has no respect for women but I highly doubt he is a serial rapist.

My point is that people need to stop making excuses for ‘asshole’ athletes just because they can perform on the field. There are so many good guys in baseball (Hunter, Granderson, Swisher) and they don’t feel the need to treat everyone around them like dirt. I’m not saying that Harper won’t be good; I am just stating that I wouldn’t want a guy with an attitude like that on my team.

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by King Billy Royal on Apr 24, 2025 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions

serial rapist may have been a bit harsh (i absolutely believe in its truth)

but so is comparing Bryce harpers arrogance with Ben’s problems.

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by billybeingbilly on Apr 24, 2025 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions

Matt Bush...

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by lard of the dance on Apr 24, 2025 2:50 PM EDT reply actions

Except Matt Bush never had near that talent

He was signed because he was cheap and a local boy.

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by King Billy Royal on Apr 24, 2025 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions

Might as well compare Harper to Mauer while we're at it

Because Harper has at least as much in common with him (#1 overall pick as a C) as he does with Bush (#1 overall pick as a complete dick).

by nixa37 on Apr 24, 2025 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions

He wasn't the absolute best player available, no

but he was certainly in the conversation for a top-10 pick. The choice was silly, but not outrageous.

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by PaulThomas on Apr 24, 2025 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions

Attitude

If you (or me) were proclaimed to be the next great star in your sport wouldn’t you be a little cocky. I’m not too concerned with this

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by Gobroks on Apr 24, 2025 5:17 PM EDT reply actions

i would be more than a little bit cocky...

and thats one of my favorite things about Harper. I love that he talks about going to the HOF, playing for the Yankees, getting the biggest contract ever, etc. I have no worries that Harper will rest on his laurels when he gets $15 million in August.

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by billybeingbilly on Apr 24, 2025 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions

Yep

I still think it would be smart for him to sign this year though, because I don’t see him as the #1 pick next year.

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by Gobroks on Apr 24, 2025 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions

I think...

he’s a good shot for #1 overall in 2011, as much as I love Rendon. The bigger issue, though, is if he’s already #1 this year, he has nowhere to go but down leverage-wise.

by slamcactus on Apr 25, 2025 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions

I'd rather have Rendon

I think he’ll provide more defensive value and that the bats shouldn’t be too far apart.

by jar75 on Apr 25, 2025 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions

Rendon

I would actually rather have Rendon at this point. His bat looks awesome - dare I say better than Harper’s bat. Both bats are definitely special though.

IMO, this time next year Rendon will be universally compared to Teixeira - similarly to how Strasburg was compared to Prior.

by guru4u on Apr 26, 2025 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions

Bat

Maybe, I’d give Harper the power advantage though.

by jar75 on Apr 26, 2025 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions

4 HRs and 13 RBIs this weeend....

hopefully this asshole falls to the Royals

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by billybeingbilly on Apr 25, 2025 4:02 AM EDT reply actions

My points

My point of view.

There are different behavior and personality traits that come under the rubric of "makeup’.

Work Ethic: It doens’t sound to me like Harper has a bad work ethic, in terms of putting in the necessary work to make his talent shine through. Indeed, the fact that he’s driven to succeed so much that he’s playing junior college ball at age 17 testifies to a strong drive to succeed. That’s a GOOD THING. a VERY GOOD THING in regards to his future develpment.

Arrogance and Sense of Entitlement: Well….he’s a 17 year old kid and at this point I wouldn’t worry TOO much about that, given that he has shown (so far anyway) that he can and will work on his game. However, it’s a caution flag…what happens the first time he finds a challenge he can’t handle right away? Will his drive to succeed override his sense of entitlement? Too soon to know….but he’s just 17. A lot can change between 17 and 21.

Taunting Opponents: On the other hand, to me, the taunting of opponents is a big red flag and testifies to a poor basic underlying character. A person who taunts the opposition is essentially a moral coward and an asshole of high order and also likely a poor teammate. His parents should have put a stop to that a long time ago. If my kid engaged in taunting opponents at any age, punishment would have been swift. Of course, at age 17 he still has time to outgrow that, too. But that is the thing I find most worrisome. I’m not saying you have to be a gentleman on the field…hard play is good play and you have to play to win. But that’s different than taunting or stuffing things in people’s faces.

Now, all that said, this is just hearsay at this point and something I will try to research on myself. I don’t know who Kevin Goldstein’s sources are on this, but Kevin is a topnotch reporter and isn’t going to write something unless he has some good backing for it.

Assuming that everything Goldstein wrote is true, what does it say about Harper? It says he’s a 17 year old punk kid who has some things to learn, but that with one red flag (the taunting) that bothers me a lot and would have to be monitored closely to make sure it doesn’t get out of hand..

by John Sickels on Apr 26, 2025 11:21 AM EDT reply actions

Taunting

What about the idea that his taunting came after being ragged pretty hard by the opposition? Still not a sign of sterling character, but there’s a difference being provoked or unprovoked.

by blackoutyears on Apr 26, 2025 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions

I think there is a fine line. There is a certain level of taunting, showboating, “ragging”, etc in sports (with some exceptions of course), it’s just the culture. The idea that scouts may think his behavior is well beyond the norm is definitely what jumps out to me.

As John said though, we don’t know where KG got his information from. I said it earlier though, it’s sort of reporters job to report this sort of thing and a FO’s job to determine the extent of the potential problem. Those saying this isn’t concerning at all because the kid is pitting up a good stat line are sort of missing the point I think. /me shrugs

by jfish26101 on Apr 27, 2025 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions

I have

some serious questions about the make-up of this thread…

by blackoutyears on Apr 26, 2025 4:56 PM EDT reply actions

and there's mah dawg

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by Frederick0220 on Apr 28, 2025 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions

Makeup Absolutely Matters

The problem isn’t extreme arrogance. The problem is what extreme arrogance is compensating for. That won’t stay down forever. When adversity hits, whatever he’s shielding will rear its ugly head. It’s inevitable. And how he deals with it will determine his abitlity to succeed. With this much self-deification, it’s not going to be an easy path for him.

What he needs right now is to be told to STFU and play. I don’t care how good he is, he will be hated by his teammates if he pulls this crap at the major league level. Most people here think it’s normal for a 17 year-old to be arrogant. Not like this. If the vast majority of star teenagers who have come through the ranks and become major league regulars without this same strain of arrogance, it doesn’t indicate “normal 17 year old”, it indicates “sociopath”.

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