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Thoughts on Alex Liddi



I'm just wondering what you guys think of him.  He was a non-drafted free agent who came out of Italy.  He had really horrible numbers in 2008 and then his 2009 numbers are uber-ridiculous compared to last year.  Is this guy for real and where would you have to rank this guy in the top 100 or even out of the top 100.

                              AVG      AB      R      H      2B      3B      HR      RBI       BB       SO      SB         CS   OBP     SLG   OPS

2008 numbers .244      447     65    109    26      3         6          53         42      115      17        5       .313    .360    .673

2009 numbers .345      493     97    170    44      5        23       104       53        122     10         6      .411     .594     1.005

 

After seeing this guy in the Futures Game I started to follow his numbers a little bit, and I am totally amazed by his talent.  Even so this guy just turned 21 years old, not to mention he was awarded with the Cal MVP this year.

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Didn't realizeh is OPS was that high...

I am really high on him. He has a good chance to be an above average regular with a couple all star seasons.

by joegonzo on Oct 1, 2025 4:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Road OPS was .849

.308/.351/.498. 6 road homers, 17 at home. 16 BBs on the road, 37 at home.

He was actually only 20 until August. Not bad. But a little High Desert goes a long way.

by wobatus on Oct 1, 2025 5:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Still encouraging numbers for a guy that young

Even those road numbers over the course of a season wouldn’t have been shabby.

by Fanon on Oct 2, 2025 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

The strikeout rate nowhere near supports the batting average...

and since the walks aren’t there, his OBP is a bit of an illusion.

Liddi looks a bit to me like the kind of guy who isn’t going to go anywhere in the upper levels, not unless he makes some changes to his approach.

by PissedMick on Oct 1, 2025 5:37 PM EDT reply actions  

true

But luck and park adjusted he gets to .275/.351/.475, which i wouldn’t call awful for a 20 year old italian 3b even in the cal league. I don’t know how gratuitous that italian reference is. he was born in Italy but i don’t know what his baseball background was. He’s at least played himslef into an intriguing guy depending on what he does in the big AA jump.

by wobatus on Oct 1, 2025 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Based on everything I've read

He was signed as an amateur out of Italy. He’s not some American raised kid who went back home to avoid the draft.

by Fanon on Oct 2, 2025 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know he's not in the HOF yet...

But certainly Bert Blyleven was a star in his day. I know he grew up in the US but Blyleven was the Netherlands pitching coach in the WBC.

by two fishsticks on Oct 2, 2025 3:56 AM EDT reply actions  

born in the netherlands

bert was….sandy koufax is considered to have the best left-handed curveball in baseball history while bert is said to have the best one from the right-hand side….for those of us who grew up in the 80s, we knew bert as the #3 strikeout man of all time behind only nolan ryan and steve carlton…someone once referenced that he had the worst run support of any pitcher with 275 wins, but i couldn’t find that article when i went to pull it up…the article showed that if he had tom seaver’s run support in his career, he’d have possible had as many as 320 wins…that’s pretty remarkable…he’s got one ugly-looking stat that holds him back in modern writers’ eyes, that 50 homer season…i seriously think many writers want to chide him for that, and it’s wrong…bert, even on his last legs, was one of the best pitchers i’ve seen in my lifetime, and that he’s not in the hall is a travesty…

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

by biggentleben on Oct 2, 2025 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seaver's Run Support?

Seaver pitched for one of the worst run-scoring teams of the modern era. Just guessing on that, but the ‘67-’75 Mets?

Seaver’s career run support (and yeah, I know, he also pitched for the Big Red Machine Reds etc.) was 3.92. Blyleven’s 4.19.

http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/primate_studies/discussion/run_support_for_top_starters_1954_2008/

by wobatus on Oct 2, 2025 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I don't find it particularly impressive when a guy grew up in the States

Whereas a star raised in Europe, a place where baseball is about as popular as rugby is in the States, is significant.

by Fanon on Oct 4, 2025 5:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve heard that he was heinous defensively at the 3B level…

His strikeouts, rawness, High Desert influence and the like don’t make me think he’s a very safe bet, but it’s not impossible that that there is something there..

by WrenFGun on Oct 2, 2025 9:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Not heinous

He’s actually pretty fundamentally sound. The problem is he doesn’t really have the tools to stay there.

by slamcactus on Oct 2, 2025 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually...

check that. He has the current athleticism to stay there, but he’s big enough that people think he’s a virtual lock to have to move across the diamond. In any case, heinously bad defense is overstating it by quite a bit.

by slamcactus on Oct 2, 2025 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

My $0.02 on Liddi

He’s solid prospect with an uppercut swing…and a LONG way to go. The Cal league did a good job hiding his flaws, and I expect him to have a hard time making adjustments at Double-A next year. That said, he’s not without upside. His raw power is just a tick or two below felow uber-flawed European M’s prospect Greg Halman, and his swing, plate coverage, and approach are light years ahead (damning with faint praise, I know). I’ve seen Liddi and spoken with a few scouts about him, and I really disagree with the assessment that he’s a 1B long-term. I don’t think he’s a 3B because he doesn’t have very quick reflexes, but I see no reason whatsoever why he couldn’t be a solid but unspectacular corner outfielder. He’s far more mobile than many prospects who make that move. I don’t know if he has any personal aversion to playing in the outfield, but OF was discussed as the Ms’ initial plan for him when he was signed, and that’s where I’d put him as soon as next year.

Quite frankly, Liddi is the kind of guy I expect everyone to completely forget about for the next two years. I’ll be happy if I’m wrong, but I think he’s a really good candidate to get off to an absolutely brutal start in Double-A. I just don’t think he’s polished enough to play well at that level yet. However, I can see him repeating the league and sneaking up on people towards the end of 2011 and establishing himself as a future regular before the prospecting world has a chance to catch up and give him a serious look again (not unlike what Matt Tuiasosopo has done the past 2 seasons).

Not the sexiest prospect profile I know, but I try to check my homerism at the door when it comes to Ms prospects.

by slamcactus on Oct 2, 2025 6:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Its really impossible to tell what to make of him

I do like what I see so far. Clearly, much of his success is league and park related. Im equally certain actual improvements were made here, though. Frankly, I dont even think I have enough info to make any kind of definitive statement about Liddi yet. I was the guy touting him going into this year as a sleeper, fwiw. Ill definitely be watching next year.

by alskor on Oct 3, 2025 12:50 AM EDT reply actions  

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