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Prospect Analysis: Lessons Learned

Lessons Learned

Over the last week, I've been examining old prospect lists in an attempt to learn some lessons from history. We looked at where the best hitters in 2011 and the best pitchers came from, and how elite hitting prospects (Grade A or A-) and elite pitching prospects in the 2003-2006 window developed, or failed to develop.

Keep in mind that it takes a good five years (or longer) to truly know how some players will pan out. For example, before 2011, Brandon McCarthy looked like a total bust, but he had a great season last year and showed the talent that made him a strong prospect in the first place. We still don't know if guys like Ian Stewart or Daric Barton will be considered disappointments in two or three years, or how Delmon Young will use his talent. In any event, here are some observations/lessons I take away from this.

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**Most successful/elite players (at least in 2011) were strongly rated as prospects, at least Grade B types or higher. Some guys exceed expectations, but most of the elite players (especially on the pitching side) were also strong or elite prospects, at least how I define them.

**Even so, a large number of their elite prospect peers fail, somewhere between 30 and 40%.

**Reasons for failure vary, but among pitchers injuries seem to be the biggest factor. Sometimes this is a catastrophic event with a clear line between before/after (Jesse Foppert, Kurt Ainsworth, Kris Honel, Cesar Carrillo, etc), but sometimes there is just a steady but critical decline in stuff quality without an obvious serious injury. Control problems are also an issue with some failures, but this often seems to be related to injuries.

**Key reasons for position player failure are more complex and often interrelated but include:
--Problems with contact/too many strikeouts
--Poor strike zone judgment (which isn't always the same thing as poor contact)
--Not developing along a "normal" age curve for no obvious reason (Andy Marte a great example)
--Poor handling by parent team
--Injuries

I used to think that position players were more predictable than pitchers, but over the last few years my thinking on that has changed. Nowadays I am more confident in our ability to judge pitchers. Absent injuries, I think it is easier to judge pitchers both traditionally (stuff, mechanics, projection, etc) and sabermetrically.

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sometimes there is just a steady but critical decline in stuff quality without an obvious serious injury.

Probably like Brian Matusz.

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by birdman on Feb 8, 2026 3:41 PM EST reply actions  

True.

But I think that Tillman is the most striking example of a steady decline since he’s gone from excellent at Triple-A (early 2009) to decent at Triple-A (2010) to bad at Triple-A (2011).

by SeanP on Feb 11, 2026 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

but sometimes there is just a steady but critical decline in stuff quality without an obvious serious injury.

I always wonder how much of this is from how much #want guys have and how hard they work. There is a vast disparity in work ethic among ballplayers. Its impossible to quantify and unless you watch a guy a whole lot of times its hard to make a real judgment on whether they actually have a poor work ethic or are just having a bad week, tired, hurt, worn out, in a playful/goofy mood, etc…

All the same, I definitely see stuff and hear more that absolutely does factor into my rankings and evaluations of players. I just don’t ever write or talk about that stuff publicly. I try to remember to weigh that stuff lightly, too. If you look around the majors you see lots of guys succeed who aren’t hard workers, out of shape, etc… so its not like an absolute rule. /shrug

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by alskor on Feb 8, 2026 3:51 PM EST reply actions  

Contact Rate

While I think that listening to scouts rather then looking at any statistics seems to be key when analyzing young bats, I am noticing contact ability more then ever. Maybe just a recent trend, but I am noticing a lot of the Chris Carter types that do not pan out. I want the hit tool first, then everything else is gravy

by Markus Potter on Feb 8, 2026 4:14 PM EST reply actions  

Right

But Chris Carter is an example of a guy who wasn’t able to improve his contact rate during his time in the minors. Plenty of guys who are primarily top prospects for their power, even if their hit tool is under question turn into great players (Mike Stanton is the most recent example).

by kyuss94 on Feb 8, 2026 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you're missing the point

Of course some prospects overcome all sorts of different question marks to become great players. But are there certain question marks that tend to hold back players more often than others? Should we be more worried that a top power prospect won’t be able to hit enough or that a guy with a great swing won’t ever develop his power potential?

I think most scouts and observers have gut feelings on most of these things, but it’d be really interesting to go through these past top prospects in a systematic and statistical manner to identify which question marks were most likely to hold guys back and turn them into busts, and which were most likely to be improved through the development process.

by 2wins87 on Feb 8, 2026 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Scouts

How ironic that “hitting the ball” should be the primary indicator.

I stated this in another thread. I couple contact rate with K:BB and go from there.

Most arguments are really about context.

by SheaWasBettor21 on Feb 8, 2026 6:54 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

i always look at contact first for a hitting prospect

i don’t really take a hitting prospect seriously, until they can get their strikeout rate below 25%

by blue bulldog on Feb 8, 2026 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Volume--

John, do you think that part of the reason you have been more successful with projecting SPs versus hitters is related to volume? 50% hitters more received qualifying grades during the period of time that you studied.

With the benefit of hindsight, we can see that the game has changed into a showcase for power pitchers. Has this caused you to adjust your projections for hitters moving forward, or have you just accepted that the game went through a boon of talented young SPs and dearth of talented young hitters and assume that moving forward we will see a regression to the norm?

by The Autodrafters on Feb 8, 2026 6:48 PM EST reply actions  

cyclical

I think this is all cyclical.

I try to judge players on a case-by-case, player-by-player basis, and I don’t really make adjustments for stuff like “pitchers are better than they used to be” and thusly dock hitters, or vice versa.

by John Sickels on Feb 8, 2026 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you for your response-

It can’t be easy for you to respond to every post that addresses you by name. I really appreciate your patient tone and accessibility. You produce excellent work and always have reason to be proud of your work and your approach to your followers. Your reputation and constant output is exemplary and should be the standard for your field.

Thanks again and have a great night.

by The Autodrafters on Feb 8, 2026 9:55 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

Delmon Young and Ian Stewart

John, I’ve long been a devoted reader of your work. Just fascinating material to read.

Reading today and recently about talent that still could develop I think of two names mentioned - Ian Stewart the last couple of days and Delmon Young today.

With Young, it appears clear to me and of course, this is just me, we know who he’s going to be and it’s the not superstar many pegged him to become. He can be a nice player and still might have a new “career” year in him but he’s not going to be a otherworldly producer or even elite bat on his own club.

As for Stewart, he once looked promising and last year might be an aberration due to injury and just some mixed up thinking but he is a low contact guy, with strikeout issues which prevent his best tool - his power - from playing up. The Rockies have another guy with those concerns coming up too - Wilin Rosario - who is being overvalued despite the red flag.

Stewart, I see as a journeyman now, although he should prove to be closer to his pre-2011 form than that disaster.

Thanks for the content. Great stuff. Thought provoking.

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by Mjay424 on Feb 8, 2026 9:15 PM EST reply actions  

He may be who you thought he was. Really though, if you want to crown him - crown him. We let him off the hook though.

by The Gottfather on Feb 8, 2026 11:43 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

as a Cardinals fan

i greatly appreciate this

by blue bulldog on Feb 9, 2026 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

That’s why we took the damn field!

"Hosmer right in between Carter and Alvarez…. what is this list based on? height?" -- okteds, visionary (1/28/10)

by criminal type on Feb 9, 2026 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

The difference is of course that if Rosario can manage Stewarts 09-11 line of

.246/.334/.454 he would be a valuable catcher instead of a questionable 3B

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by TomCat009 on Feb 9, 2026 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed on pitcher projectability

I am so much better at gauging which prospects will become useful/valuable pitchers.

Hitters frustrate me so much more. I tend to covet guys with great K/BB ratios, but then you get people like Daric Barton, Jaff Decker and, before them, Brad Wilkerson whose exquisite eyes don’t lead to much production. It’s all about how much hacking is acceptable.

I find myself looking at Miguel Sano now and wondering: Too impatient or just patient enough? (I’d have walked away from him completely five years ago.)

"Hosmer right in between Carter and Alvarez…. what is this list based on? height?" -- okteds, visionary (1/28/10)

by criminal type on Feb 9, 2026 10:27 AM EST reply actions  


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