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Labor Day Holiday

I am taking Labor Day Weekend off, actually off, rather than the "off days" I usually take which still involve research or writing. I will still monitor things to make sure everyone is behaving, but I am swearing off any actual writing or work until Tuesday.

Here the sound of the falling rain
Coming down like an Armageddon flame
A shame
The ones who died
Without a name


Although the history is unknown to most people today, Labor Day began as a Federal holiday in 1894. It was a Congressional sop to mollify workers in the wake of social, economic, and political unrest during and after the Great Pullman Strike that spring. I'm continually amazed how much people take for granted, and how much of the history of labor relations in this country has simply disappeared from public conciousness over the last century.

"Labor Day" rolls off the tongue easily, evoking images of picnics and hot dogs and the end of summer at the lake. That's all well and good, but take a moment this weekend to think about what the history means and how people fought for their rights, and to make the world a better place for their children and their children's children.

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ahh the great holliday that is Labor Day ....

Say John this reminds me of something i found the other day.
You guys might like to look through these photos form the “depression era”, published by the denverpost
they’re some of the only COLORED photographs from that time period you can find.

http://extras.denverpost.com/archive/captured.asp

I found many of them pretty fascinating and also seeing all the different locations throughout the country in this tough time period. With the wars raging over seas you can almsot feel the affect it had on some people.

Liriano, Mijares, Angel Morales, & Anthony Swarzak for Josh Johnson and Brad Hand

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Sep 3, 2025 10:31 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Labor Day

Well said.

"I think not sucking is way more of an important thing to pay attention to first." -- Gabe Newell

by Mike Uhrich on Sep 3, 2025 3:32 PM EDT reply actions  

days off

Glad you’re actually taking some days to yourself. And well said about Labor Day.

by Ben Hall on Sep 3, 2025 10:31 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree definately

Liriano, Mijares, Angel Morales, & Anthony Swarzak for Josh Johnson and Brad Hand

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Sep 4, 2025 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

COMMUNIST!!!!!!!!!!

Of course I’m kidding.

Albert Pujols is a god, and you my friend should be doing no less than groveling at his feet.

by CoolCat23 on Sep 4, 2025 12:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Yep
Although the history is unknown to most people today, Labor Day began as a Federal holiday in 1894. It was a Congressional sop to mollify workers in the wake of social, economic, and political unrest during and after the Great Pullman Strike that spring. I’m continually amazed how much people take for granted, and how much of the history of labor relations in this country has simply disappeared from public conciousness over the last century.

We have forgotten the strikes, the massacres, the widow-making mines and factories, chile labor, sweatshops, government-business collusion, We now have an official Unemployment Rate that tops 9%, Scott Walker, attacks on Social Security, etc. These two points are, of course, related.

s.zielinski

by steve_z on Sep 4, 2025 7:29 AM EDT reply actions  

It is really shocking to me

how the oligarchs have managed to so successfully wage class war — not against themselves, but between members of the working class. Every single political flash point these days — things like union membership, gay marriage, prayer in schools, the gutting of the middle class while the taxes on the wealthy remain the same or are even cut — is just cynical talking points put out by right-wing think tanks to foster dissension between working stiffs like ourselves. All of us on this site have far more in common than we do differently, and yet we fight each other over the most silly. insignificant stuff when compared to corporations abusing the earth and the people, or the greed of the world’s wealthiest accruing even more for themselves.

by Flynn Blake on Sep 4, 2025 12:49 PM EDT reply actions  

As the son of a longtime union member I have to say

I wholeheartedly disagree with this post. The idea that those “political flash points” are insignificant issues that were contrived to cause dissension is ridiculous. I don’t believe most of those issues you listed are insignificant. Your off hand dismissal comes across as no less bat guano insane than most of the Tea Party conspiracy theories do.

I’m all for unions and workers rights (within reason). I applaud Labor Day and those who fought for the rights that allow us to enjoy the holiday. I just think you are way overstating your point.

Of course, my silly disagreement is probably just because the right wing think tank’s talking points have been lodged into my brain for too long. Carry on.

by dnc on Sep 6, 2025 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why we still need unions

In your workplace, have you ever had a weekend off, holidays off, decent wages, vacation, safe working conditions, overtime, health benefits, sick pay, a pension? Guess what: Unions got you all of that. Do you really think we’d have the standard of living we have today had workers not stood up for themselves and said to the robber barons, no more?
 
People who are willing to roll over and take whatever the bossman gives them … they’re a much more damaging, destructive and corrosive force in this country than unions are. But keep putting your faith in your corporate overlords — I’m sure they have your best interests at heart (cough).

by Flynn Blake on Sep 4, 2025 12:53 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

It's too bad this is probably the least appreciated holiday we have.

It represents the best in us as a country, our ability to join forces and stand up for what’s right. Not just for the individual, but for our communities, and the nation as a whole. Happy Labor Day to all workers in America! We are the strength of this country, and united we make this country stronger.

by cookiedabookie on Sep 5, 2025 1:06 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

This is a post I can agree with

Besides John’s, this is easily my favorite post in this thread. Good stuff, sir.

by dnc on Sep 6, 2025 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

thanks for the post

I appreciate the thoughtful and cool rationality of your post, especially regarding a Labor Day that was so already infused with hot-headed political ideology of all sorts.

Some may use Labor Day as an opportunity to advocate for or against pro-labor movements, particularly unions, but I will not. Like just about everything, unions have good sides and bad sides, and they can work both for and against the greater good. Absolute statements do little more than provide mindless talking points that benefit none of us. Empathy for those who have views differing from our own, as well as objective respect for the rationale behind the actions and events of the past, can only benefit all of us.

Labor Day is always a fruitful reminder to me to forget neither my innate desire to excel personally and professionally, nor my enduring respect for those who work around me, above me, and below me, no matter my own circumstances.

by mrkupe on Sep 6, 2025 1:03 PM EDT reply actions  

John, out of curiosity

How do you define your you views socially and economically (or any other way you want to state them)?

Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?

http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained

by Kosstic518 on Sep 6, 2025 6:53 PM EDT reply actions  

hmm

Well i used to talk more about this publicly but it isn’t really appropriate in this format anymore, although sometimes something will sneak in. However, on my PERSONAL facebook page I am pretty vocal, so it isn’t a secret to many people.

On economics, I would have been defined as a centrist or Eisenhower Republican in the 1950s and 1960s. By today’s standards, that makes me a raging socialist considering how far to the right American politics has gone on economics. I am not a socialist and communism obviously did not work, but at the same time I think Marx was right that pure capitalism will eventually destroy itself due to its internal contradictions.

I think we are seeing that today, which is why this is not an ordinary recession. Without stronger labor unions, capitalism will destroy itself because the greed of the plutocratic class knows no bounds. The class war is a real phenomenon; the rich have declared it against the poor and middle class, and right now the rich are winning. Warren Buffett says it and I think he’s exactly right.

What amazes me is that so many people whose lives are being destroyed by the plutocrats SUPPORT the very policies that are destroying them. But as Jay Gould said, “I can hire half the working class to shoot the other half of the working class.” There are a lot of lunatics who want to return this country to where it was in the 19th century. They are seemingly unaware that the reason the New Deal stuff was put in place was TO SAVE CAPITALISM from destroying itself.

Libertarians like to say that we can trust private enterprise to do the right thing because the market punishes companies which hurt their workers or customers or who pollute, etc. This is a nice piece of ideology but IT IS DEMONSTRABLY UNTRUE. Freed of regulations, most companies will and do destroy the environment, abuse workers, even KILL THEIR OWN CUSTOMERS if it increases the profit margin. History proves it, but people don’t read history any more.

Like I said, that sounds far-left in today’s environment, but it was mainstream in the post New-Deal era from the late 30s all the way to about 1970.

Right now, I think the American dream is dying. The rich people=hard workers and poor people=lazy equation put forth by libertarians and right-wingers is demonstrably untrue in my experience. In my view, many rich people (although not all) got that way due to a combination of hard work, yes, but mixed with ruthlessness and corruption, immoral actions, and a view of other humans as disposable resources. Sociopathy is often rewarded with wealth. As for poor people=lazy, yes, some are. But I would like to see how Wall Street investment bankers or the average CEO would do working road construction on a 120 degree day, or how many talk radio hosts would survive picking oranges from the groves not far from their Florida mansions without keeling over from a heart attack in the first hour.

Basically, I think the best economic system is capitalism-with-strong-labor/environment-protections to keep corporate greed from getting out of hand, with a strong public education system. Health care is a big topic but I have already gone on too long.

On social issues, I am way to the left on some things. I supported gay rights back in the 80s when such attitudes would get you beat up in high school. I am center/right on a few others. I support the Second Amendment as an example of the later.

by John Sickels on Sep 7, 2025 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Interesting

Thanks for taking the time to respond.

Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?

http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained

by Kosstic518 on Sep 7, 2025 12:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Your politics are strikingly close to mine

I am frustrated that so many people think anything to the left of the current GOP is liberal. Reagan couldn’t win a primary in this climate. There is NO liberal party right now, and as a moderate I’m tired of being called socialist.

Campaign financing and the primary system drive a wedge between the parties and ensure that politicians are loyal to their party and their donors instead of to their country. We will not have adequate representation in congress until this changes. We probably need a constitutional amendment since our right-wing supreme court has decided corporations are people.

Some see a glass half empty, some a glass half full. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be. - George Carlin

by t ball on Sep 7, 2025 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

On the "poor people=lazy" thing...

What really amazes me is how many people think (or at least say) that everyone on public assistance is lazy and that they just want a handout, or something for nothing. I volunteer regularly at my local food bank, and to see the shame on people’s faces when they come in to get food for their families… these people don’t want handouts at all. They just don’t have any other choice. I saw a guy with no job donate all of the change in his pocket, the last bit of money he had, because “other people need it more.” This after spending all day pounding the pavement filling out job applications on a day when the temperature exceeded 100. The change was meant to buy himself a bottle of water, but when he saw that we were accepting donations for the food bank, he gave us the money instead. I had another jobless guy with $5 left in his bank account refuse to apply for food stamps because “that’s there for people who really need it.” He also wouldn’t accept a box of food except on days that he came in to volunteer. These are the people that get hurt when social programs get cut, not the mythical drug addicts who want society to support them.

by ozzman99 on Sep 8, 2025 4:17 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

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