From the Mailbag: Wade Davis
From the Mailbag: A Question about Wade Davis
S. L. writes: I would be really interested on your take on Wade Davis of the Rays. He just hit the DL, but where do you see his career going? His stats have been lackluster since hitting the bigs, but you have always been fairly high on him.
Thanks!
John replies: Davis was placed on the disabled list on July 7th with a "strained forearm," although the latest reports indicate that he shouldn't be out too long, maybe one or two starts.
You are right that I've been a big fan of Davis and have projected him to be a solid major league starter as a number three type, though I've also felt he could have some years where he really surprises people positively. He performed reasonably well last year and I expected him to take another step forward this season, but it hasn't happened. His ERA is not much different on the surface, 4.25 this year compared to 4.07 last year, but the deterioration in his other numbers is notable. Even the ERA has declined more than it may appear; his ERA+ is just 84 compared to 96 last season.
His walk rate is virtually the same as last year, but his strikeouts are down, and I don't like the trend: 8.9 K/9 in 2009, 6.1 in 2010, just 4.1 this year. That's very significant slippage. His FIP has gone from 2.90 to 4.79 to 4.93. His xFIP has gone from 3.49 to 4.61 to 5.14. This reflects the slippage in his components.
Joe Pawlikowski over at Fangraphs wrote up a piece on Davis's problems back in mid-May, and most of this is still relevant.
Davis' velocity was down early in the year, then climbed up a bit for a few starts until heading downward in his last three outings. You can see the difference quite clearly on the chart.
His average velocity last year was 92.4 MPH but is 91.3 this season. Interestingly, the average velocity on his curveball is also down (79.1 to 77.9), but the velocity on his changeup has actually increased (83.6 to 85.9). There has been less velocity separation between his fastball and changeup this year. Whether that's enough to account for the difference in performance, I don't know; I haven't seen him in person and Rays fans who keep closer track would probably have a better read on this. I would be very interested in their opinions and observations.
Looking at it from a distance, I don't like the trend lines in his ratios and there are all kinds of caution flags going up here. Let's see how he comes back from the forearm thing; it wouldn't surprise me if this has been bothering him for some time. If the decline in his strikeout rate is something that sticks around the rest of the year, my expectations for his future will have to be trimmed back.
(If you guys like, we can make the mailbag a regular feature. Let me know)
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Davis has too many problems.
I hate to say it, but I really am not sure if he has a pitch that is above average consistently. Very sad.
by mr. maniac on Jul 11, 2025 2:20 PM EDT reply actions
I've been using this phrase a lot recently...
but I always felt that Davis was one of those pitchers who could be a decent starter whose stuff always looked better than his results, but who probably fit better in relief (lack of a solid third pitch, command issues, inconsistency).
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by alskor on Jul 11, 2025 2:22 PM EDT reply actions
Another Ray, prospect Jacob Thompson comes to mind
by Ben Tumbling on Jul 11, 2025 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I am going to disagree pretty heavily here.
Davis is a case of a guy losing his stuff. His stuff was best in 09, still good in 2010, and really average this year.
by mr. maniac on Jul 11, 2025 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
ervin santana-esque
doesn’t have a serviceable third pitch but two above average ones
go long with extenze...i do
by angelsownredsux on Jul 12, 2025 2:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Like the mailbag feature
Definitely a keeper.
by theatlfan on Jul 11, 2025 2:44 PM EDT reply actions 9 recs
+1
Always love the AQA threads, and a mailbag feature seems like a smaller version of that so I’m all for it.
by InstantClassic on Jul 11, 2025 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
You know guys, there's a "rec" button for a reason...
by redwolf75 on Jul 11, 2025 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
It's purely speculation...
but his forearm issues might be an indicator of an elbow ligament tear - its not a direct correlation but there seem to be some ties between the two injuries. This would certainly explain the fall-off of Davis’s underlying issues, particularly the loss in velocity.
by dbreer23 on Jul 11, 2025 2:47 PM EDT reply actions
Thanks
As S.L., thanks so much for the response. Definitely confirmed a lot of my suspicions about him.
by gobruins12345 on Jul 11, 2025 3:03 PM EDT reply actions
Well according to Davis,
earlier in the year he was throwing a few miles slower to help him locate pitches better which worked for a few starts but then blew up on him. His walks crept back up and his K’s stayed down.He has still showed that he can hit the mid 90’s as I have seen him hit 96 a few times still.
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
Free Lobaton!
by thedudeofdudes on Jul 11, 2025 4:09 PM EDT reply actions
His fastball sucks though compared to his old one. Not the same life, movement, or velocity.
His plus curve is literally gone too.
by mr. maniac on Jul 11, 2025 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
He signed the long-term deal at the end of March if I remember correctly
Which begs the question of when did he lose his stuff? Were there indications during spring training? Then why would the Rays sign him long-term? That’s a little baffling.
by Ben Tumbling on Jul 11, 2025 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Tommy Hanson or Wade Davis
This was a hot topic back when they were prospects with most loving Davis more, a couple years later now who’s better and it’s really not even close
by Jay212033 on Jul 11, 2025 5:50 PM EDT reply actions
Hm, I don't remember this.
Did it happen on this site? Was this before or after Hanson’s remarkable AFL performance?
by Ben Tumbling on Jul 11, 2025 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Seems like he’s got an arm injury. We’ll have to see how he pitches after he recovers. I think we had a glimpse of what he can be early in his career, but whether he’ll continue on that projection arc remains to be seen. Reasonable upside: poor man’s John Lackey?
by limozeen on Jul 11, 2025 7:29 PM EDT reply actions

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