Kyle Drabek Debut Day, September 15, 2010
Morning Thoughts, September 15, 2025
**Kyle Drabek makes his major league debut today for the Blue Jays. I did a larger piece for Rotowire about him that should be posted later today. He had a very good season for Double-A New Hampshire, and scouts report that his velocity has improved this year, back up to where it was pre-Tommy John surgery. Statistically, he went 14-9, 2.94 with a 132:68 K/BB in 162 innings, allowing 126 hits.
Here's the rub: although he cut more than half a run off his ERA this year compared to last year at the same level, his K/IP ratio improved only slightly, and his walk ratio actually got worse this year. All of the ERA reduction came from improvement in his H/IP and BABIP, which as you know has at least something to do with luck and defensive support. His FIP was 4.00 this year compared to 4.02 last year, so the seasons were actually extremely similar component-wise despite the improvements on the surface.
I've got a lot of mixed feelings about the importance of BABIP, especially for minor league prospects. It's just one factor among many for me. Luck and defense certainly can't be ignored, and in the past people didn't pay enough attention to it. But at the same time, I don't think all of H/IP can be boiled down to just luck and defense. Scouts seem to think that Drabek made legitimate improvements this year, and there's no question that his velocity is up. It will be very interesting to see how he looks this month. Keep close track of his K/IP and K/BB ratios.
**Someone asked me for a complete list of all the players I have "Shadow Drafted" for the Twins who have made the major leagues since I started doing this in 1996. That list is below the fold for those who are interested.
1996
1) *Braden Looper, RHP, Wichita State University
2) *Jacque Jones, OF, University of Southern California
3) *Eddie Yarnall, LHP, Louisiana State University
4) *Ken Vining, LHP, Clemson University
5) *John Bale, LHP, University of Southern Mississippi
13) *Mike Lincoln, RHP, University of Tennessee
20) *Courtney Duncan, RHP, Grambling State University
24) *Brett Laxton, RHP, Louisiana State University
1997
1) *Michael Cuddyer, SS, Great Bridge HS, Cheasapeake VA
2) *Mike Restovich, OF, Mayo HS, Rochester, Minn.
3) *Todd Sears, 1B, University of Nebraska
19) *David Eckstein, 2B, University of Florida
21) *J.C. Romero, LHP, University of Mobile
1998
9) *Saul Rivera, RHP, University of Mobile
24) *Juan Padilla, RHP, University of Jacksonville
34) *Kevin Frederick, RHP, Creighton University
1999
2) *Nick Regilio, RHP, University of Jacksonville
3) *Justin Morneau, C, New Westminster (B.C) HS.
6) *Aaron Harang, RHP, San Diego State University
7) *Terrmel Sledge, OF, Long Beach State University
9) *Mark Ellis, SS, University of Florida
10) *Ben Hendrickson, RHP, Jefferson HS, Bloomington, Minn.
25) *Terry Tiffee, OF, Pratt (Kan.) Community College
2000
1) *Justin Wayne, RHP, Stanford University
2) *Joel Hanrahan, RHP, Norwalk Community HS, Norwalk, Iowa
4) *Mike Smith, RHP, University of Richmond
7) *Tim Olson, OF, University of Florida
9) *Marshall McDougall, 3B, Florida State University
2001
1) *Joe Mauer, C, Cretin-Derham HS, St. Paul, Minnesota
5) *Brendan Harris, SS, College of William and Mary
13)*Kevin Cameron, RHP, Georgia Tech
29)*Nick Blackburn, RHP, Seminole State (Ok.) JC
2002
1) *Joe Blanton, RHP, University of Kentucky
1S)*Jason Pridie, OF, Prescott HS, Prescott, Arizona
2) *Curtis Granderson, OF, University of Illinois-Chicago
2) *Jesse Crain, RHP, University of Houston
6) *Pat Neshek, RHP, Butler University
2003
1) *Brandon Wood, SS, Horizon HS, Scottsdale, Arizona
2) *Scott Baker, RHP, Oklahoma State University
7) *Daryl Thompson, RHP, La Plata HS, La Plata, Maryland
8) *Jamie Vermilyea, RHP, University of New Mexico
18)*Ed Maysonet, SS, Delta State University
19)*Leo Rosales, RHP, Cal State Northridge
23)*Josh Sharpless, RHP, Allegheny College
2004
1) *Glen Perkins, LHP, University of Minnesota
1S)*Matt Fox, RHP, University of Central Florida
2005
1S)*Michael Bowden, RHP, Waubonsie Valley HS, Aurora, Ill.
2) *Kevin Slowey, RHP, Winthrop University
3) *Brent Lillibridge, SS, University of Washington
4) *Jonathan Meloan, RHP, University of Arizona
8) *Scott Richmond, RHP, Oklahoma State University
11)*Mike Zagurski, LHP, University of Kansas
2006
1) *Lars Anderson, 1B, Jesuit HS, Fair Oaks, CA
5) *Dustin Richardson, LHP, Texas Tech
14)*Jeff Manship, RHP, Notre Dame
19)*Danny Valencia, 3B, University of Miami-Florida
2008
1S)*Conor Gillaspie, 3B, Wichita State University
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John, it might be worth considering the Jays system requirements
They’ve been forcing him to throw his cutter and changeup all season to refine his pitches, so the control and Ks are understandably down. The same is true of other Jays pitchers and it’s a system wide thing that is quite noticeable.
by TtD on Sep 15, 2025 12:14 PM EDT reply actions
i don't buy that he's going to these pitches w/ 2 strikes
i expect that he’d still be going to his bread and butter to get the K.
if anything, i’d expect that BABIP to be higher than normal if he was just working on stuff, as they’d be more apt to making mistakes.
R.I.P. cwhitman412, Frederick0220, & Mets2k9
by doublestix on Sep 15, 2025 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure
But he’d be getting to two strikes a lot less with pitches he has more trouble getting in the strikezone. Wouldn’t really effect BABIP either if the issue is control, not the sharpness of the pitches.
by TtD on Sep 15, 2025 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Solid enough first inning
Some of that movement is absolutely filthy.
by TtD on Sep 15, 2025 7:25 PM EDT reply actions
so I'm sitting here watching the game from the beginning
I have to say, I am extremely impressed. It’s not hard to see that his command is going to get better and his stuff is just plain awesome.
For an extra treat, listen to the interview of Doug Drabek on the Toronto broadcast. Really insightful look at Kyle’s development; if you ever wanted to know why bloodlines matter, just listen to some of the stuff in there.
by mrkupe on Sep 15, 2025 9:59 PM EDT reply actions
Missed the first couple innings but I think he’ll be a gooder. Some truly nasty stuff, he’s still raw but once he get’s some polish I see an Ace in the making.
by Parallex on Sep 15, 2025 10:17 PM EDT reply actions
drabek
he seemed to wear down in the sixth, his velocity was down to 91-92 after being up to 95 most of the night. Trouble with command at times and missed some spots, resulting in being hit hard. Got out of trouble a couple of times with help from his defense. But all his pitches look pretty good, nice FB with good life, cutter looked decent. Curve is nasty, like Burnett of old. And I believe I saw one changeup at 87 that looked pretty decent with nice fade.
All in all with more experience could, he could make a formidable one two power combo with Morrow.
by daman316 on Sep 15, 2025 11:00 PM EDT reply actions
That is a disgusting
top of the rotation pairing if all goes to plan. Then factor in Ricky Romero as a strong #2 calibre starter, if not #1 material as a third head of a triumvirate and you have a juggernaut.
by brewerm on Sep 16, 2025 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions
every team has an awesome rotation if everything goes to plan
R.I.P. cwhitman412, Frederick0220, & Mets2k9
by doublestix on Sep 16, 2025 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions
with the exception
of the Pirates! :P
by BryceHarper on Sep 16, 2025 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Pitch F/X data is out on Brooks Baseball, if anyone is interested
Fastball averaged 93, touched 95 at his max. Was able to get a bunch of whiffs with his off-speed stuff.
A pretty impressive debut, I must say.
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by Satchel Price on Sep 16, 2025 10:21 AM EDT reply actions
That's impressive velo
for this point in the season. Wish I’d been able to see him.
by blackoutyears on Sep 16, 2025 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
The entire package was impressive
He was getting grounders with his fastball, and he did a good job of missing bats with his off-speed stuff. I think it’s safe to say that his stock is up from last year.
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by Satchel Price on Sep 16, 2025 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
And honestly, he's a guy that I underrated
There was a time when I was on the fence between Drabek and Jason Knapp. Hopefully I’ve grown some as an evaluator since then (and it was a while ago), but Drabek has just developed a lot better than I thought he would.
Is anyone else wondering if a Romero-Drabek-Stewart-Marcum-Morrow rotation could get the Jays to the playoffs? I know I am..
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by Satchel Price on Sep 16, 2025 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
A lot of guys had him down
after last year. Sounds like the velo is up and the command of the secondaries has improved a lot. I could never form much of a opinion because I’ve only seen him pitch in the Futures Game. I absolutely loved what I saw there, but it’s one inning of work…
And yeah, that’s a potent rotation based on the potential of the young guys!
by blackoutyears on Sep 16, 2025 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
The cutter looked fantastic
Is it a new pitch? I can’t remember hearing much about it before this season.
by Hillstop on Sep 17, 2025 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions
apparently new this year
his dad taught it to him
It looked like he threw a lot of two-seamers too. Three fastballs, a power curve and a show-me changeup. There was another Blue Jay of note with a similar repertoire.
by ayjackson on Sep 17, 2025 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
chad billingsley has a repotiore like that too
by matthewmafa on Sep 17, 2025 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Drabek is one example of pitcher whose total package of skills and natural talents far exceeds his statistical profile. A normal development path might lead him somewhere into the Garza/Burnett realm (great stuff, results perhaps not as good as you might think). He could obviously also be a lot better if things break right.
by limozeen on Sep 16, 2025 12:10 PM EDT reply actions
And I'd say
that both of those guys have been pretty good as long as we’re dwelling on successes rather than shortcomings. If that’s the worst case for Drabek then he’ll be a very useful pitcher.
by blackoutyears on Sep 16, 2025 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think a “normal development path” is a worst case scenario. It indicates somewhere in the middle of the spectrum. He could be better, he could be worse.
by limozeen on Sep 16, 2025 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
No one's worst case scenario is Garza/Burnett.
But that’s a very feasible outcome for Drabek if he develops as hoped.
by nivarsity on Sep 17, 2025 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions

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