Greatest Intellectual Influences
Who are your greatest intellectual influences, baseball or otherwise? In other words, who has helped shape the way you see the world, including baseball, of course?
I'm asking this because I find it interesting, it helps me get to know you guys better, and because I'm about to start working on the book soon and will be totally immersed in baseball research and writing soon (even more than usual! haha) and want to think about some non baseball stuff for awhile.
It doesn't have to be someone famous or fancy. Influences can come from anywhere.
Mine, in no particular order, would be Bill James, Aldous Huxley, Ken Wilber, David Hume, my college philosophy and history professors Dr. Hopper and Dr. Frucht, Walt Whitman, Roger Waters, Gene Roddenberry, Thomas Merton, Robert Heinlein, and my mother and father.
I don't actually like Heinlein that much...he's got some serious fascist tendencies, but I read Stranger in a Strange Land when I was 13 and that had a huge impact.
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Mine...
Personal: Father & Mother (self-explanatory), Grandfather (physicist who taught me the value of science and math), college/law school professors Professor Hallisey (helping me understand the necessity of empathy in academia) and Professor Freyfogle (showing me how powerful and important land and the environment can be), best friend (his compassion and inner strength)
Literary/Academic/Other: Terry Pratchett (even Death can be funny), Edward Abbey (progress isn’t always a good thing), Robert Penn Warren (it is impossible to merely be an observer in life), filmmakers Alfred Hitchcock, Jean-Pierre Melville, and Fritz Lang (the beauty of film), Immanuel Kant (Critique of Pure Reason melted my brain), a smattering of religious figures/icons (Jesus, Mahavira, Buddha), and, finishing up with baseball, Harry Caray and Ron Santo (the joy of baseball and the pain of being a Cubs fan)
by Outshined_One on Sep 1, 2025 5:24 PM EDT reply actions
hmmm... interesting question
I know what I like a lot, but I am not sure that is the same thing as being influenced by them.
Shout out to mom and dad, for sure…
Herman Hesse: Narcissus and Goldmund especially, I think… all his work seems to touch on what’s involved in living a fulfilling life. There aren’t any clear answers, but I think it’s important to at least engage in that sort of thinking.
Haruki Murakami: Not totally sure why I have him here… I love his books and The Wind Up Bird Chronicle kinda resparked my interest in literature.
Aldo Leopold: don’t move so fast you miss the draba.
John Coltrane: I studied music undergrad and the way he connected music with the spiritual really hit home for me.
Johannes Brahms: His control always impressed me… I’m not bashing Tchaikovsky, but his emotions seemed to absolutely control him, and you could hear that in his music. Many people call Brahms’s music too academic, but I never really felt that. To me he sounds like he is in absolute control of every note and every harmony and how the piece fits together, and through that he touches on something greater and more permanent than his own feelings.
Jimi Hendrix: the one and only
Sports is a bit tough…
Joe Montana: Joe was always cool under pressure. Me? Not so much, but it’s something to work toward.
Barry Bonds: Yes, he is an asshole. Like Wagner, he’s the type of person that makes you really consider whether greatness alone is enough to justify your admiration. Still, I remember when my family was going through a tough time, my mom and I would always call each other when Barry hit a homerun (as he often did) and would tell each other how “all’s right with the world when Barry’s playing ball.” True? No. People are still dying in Africa and there are all sorts of problems around the world. But there is some peace in just watching a game.
Will Clark: I haven’t really questioned this conclusion too much, but I still think he had the prettiest swings of all time. Whenever I pick up a bat to pretend I’m hitting a home run, I always swing left handed like I’m Will Clark, even though I’m a righty.
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by shikantaza on Sep 1, 2025 5:27 PM EDT reply actions
Props to you for Coltrane
The other thing about ‘Trane which is so profound to me is that he truly was an intellectual and very intentional about every thing that he did. It was full on effort and study the whole way through. I wish he’d lived long enough to move through all the spiritual stuff and add some humor to the package as well.
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by souldrummer on Sep 2, 2025 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Martin Gardner
He had the rare gift of marrying skepticism to enthusiasm, and was able to communicate all of the joy, wonder, and weirdness of science and math. RIP.
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by alexwithclass on Sep 1, 2025 5:36 PM EDT reply actions
Poets: William Blake, Wallace Stevens, Emily Dickinson, Ezra Pound & Charles Olson have most influenced how I think about culture, being, beauty, history and identity.
Aesthetics: I think Hitchcock’s interviews w/ Traffaut, which I read while at community college, have become my basic intuitions concerning what makes for good art.
Faulkner: The past is not gone, it is not even the past.
Music: Nick Tosches, Greil Marcus, Bob Dylan & Johnny Cash, for how the deep, weird history of the nation can bubble up in any song.
Philosophy: Alfred North Whitehead, William James, Henri Bergson, Martin Heidegger & Friedrich Nietzsche: force and flux as the keys to the cosmos.
Sports: Bill James. When you think you know the answer, start asking better, smarter questions.
Culture & politics: Walter Benjamin and Gilles Deleuze: there’s a little fascist inside each of us with which we must cope.
by gogotabata on Sep 1, 2025 5:42 PM EDT reply actions
likes
I like Blake, and William James a lot.
by John Sickels on Sep 1, 2025 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
the whole "word in a grain of sand," as a way of thought
is huge for me, as are his Proverbs of Hell and general stances on imagination and spirit and innocence and experience.
Robert D. Richardson’s recent William James bio, In the Maelstrom of Modernism, I cannot recommend highly enough; Richardson reads everything his subject read (which is why he only does one bio per decade: first Thoreau, then Emerson, now James), and you end up with a really full, moving portrait of not just the man but his entire intellectual climate. Great, great book.
by gogotabata on Sep 1, 2025 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Tosches and Marcus
Tosches can be hilarious. marcus has done some great stuff and some obscurantist stuff. I read Lipstick Traces. The connections he makes are interesting leaps. Mystery Train was good.
by wobatus on Sep 2, 2025 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Mystery Train and Old, Weird America the best on Marcus
Often times, though, he’s just listening to the timbre of his own voice and not saying much, if anything, at all.
Tosches is very funny, dark and erudite in a great, non-academic way; he’s like some character from a noir novel, except he writes his own stuff.
by gogotabata on Sep 2, 2025 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Baseball influences
You know, I think the evolution of how a person views baseball changes so quickly these days, especially as you get older.
My own views of the game have changed dramatically in the last two years.
Bill James and Dave Cameron most recently perhaps. And I think I’m lucky that I am a Mariners fan that the pipeline to sabermetrics runs right there with Tom Tango.
I think it’s funny to think how much the game is evolving in the last decade and then you remember that relatively the game is young. MLB is young. The modern era is just a baby.
And I think about how the game will be viewed in 5 years. 10 years. 50 years.
I think people will laugh about some of the things we believe about the game now. We’ve had thousands of years to perfect science and science is far from perfect. We are still in the “Earth is flat” stage of understanding baseball.
I wonder if prospects will bust in 50 years because some young genius will crack some code about what makes someone good or bad. And then 50 years after that someone else will change the game.
Who influenced my view on baseball? Too many people to count and far less than what the final number will be.
by Humbled Fan on Sep 1, 2025 5:48 PM EDT reply actions
Influences
Personal: Mom, my first real girlfriend Anya, my first boss Marty
Others: Noam Chomsky for both linguistics and politics, Jorge Luis Borges, Robert Pirsig, Kristof Kieslowski, Howard Zinn
by passed ball on Sep 1, 2025 5:48 PM EDT reply actions
In alphabetical order:
Frederic Bastiat
Bob Dylan
Thomas Jefferson
Ludwig von Mises
Murray Rothbard
Laurence Sterne
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by jar75 on Sep 1, 2025 5:49 PM EDT reply actions
You and passed ball
could have a nice political debate it seems. :)
by wobatus on Sep 1, 2025 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha! I try to stay away from those whenever possible
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by jar75 on Sep 1, 2025 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Good rule
I was just struck by it as I read down the posts and yours were right next to each other. Probably be more peaceful if you chatted free markets with Galt, who likes Friedman, and one presumes, Ayn Rand.
by wobatus on Sep 1, 2025 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but we can always find disagreements
Like Rand’s ridiculously staunch pro-IP stance
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by jar75 on Sep 1, 2025 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Baseball Related
Bart Giamatti wrote one of the more important essays on baseball of recent time in ‘The Green Fields of the Mind’.
Further back, I’m particularly partial to Updike’s ‘Hub Fans Bid Kid Adieu’ and Joshua Prager’s ‘The Echoing Green’.
by nmh on Sep 1, 2025 5:58 PM EDT reply actions
I'm wierd.. I have always been influenced by events more then people
My grandfather was the biggest influence on how I have approached life. He was a “Son of Bitche” (100th ID) during WW2, drove a truck and a taxi, managed a King’s department store and did a handful of other jobs to support a wife and two daughters, both of whom he paid to go to expensive colleges. He told me to embrace life, pursue my goals, and remember to stay close to my family. He also formed my notions of romance and adventure. He married my grandmother in an era where catholics and Jews didn’t intermarry, and as she was dying of cancer in her 60s he finally converted (circumcision and everything), so they would be able to be burried together. He lived the last 20 years alone, but always had good friends around him. He would drive 2-3 hours just to go for lunch at a diner he once visited years before.
My folks both work/worked in standard 8-5 jobs with either big companies or government my whole life, and have always had enough to pay the bills and support the family, but I always wanted more. Even though I was academically gifted I never cared for school, only barely getting a degree out of necessity, and have worked in sales ever since. When I was 14 I was in the Boy Scouts selling Christmas Wreaths. I discovered that I could, thanks to sales, have what I wanted (in this case an extra week away during the summer). That lesson stuck with me and I have always been in sales since. The idea that you can control your own performance and earnings in this business, far more then in any other, has shaped much of my adult life.
Politically I like to tell people I’m a Libertarian, but not in the Ron Paul whackjob sense. I’m a fan of small government, but feel it does have a role in a functioning democracy. I know he wasn’t perfect, but I was always a big fan of Arlen Specter.
I’m a regular reader and poster on overlawyered, and feel like the ATLA (AAJ) has caused a lot more problems then they have solved.
There is a line in an old Don Williams http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZxD3W7YL24 song that sticks with me… “Those Williams boys they still mean a lot to me,, Hank and Tennessee”
by ADLC on Sep 1, 2025 6:06 PM EDT reply actions
Ron Paul is the most principled politician on the planet.
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by jar75 on Sep 1, 2025 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
If...
We divorce principles from sensibility! or logic! or decency!
I’m being a little facetious. Ron has some appealing positions…but occasionally borders on insane.
by turambar85 on Sep 1, 2025 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I disagree, but as you can see, I fully endorse Austrian Economics
Not really a debate we should pursue though.
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by jar75 on Sep 1, 2025 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm
Well, to begin with, I don’t ever understand the “not a debate we should pursue” thing…I don’t ever see the context that precludes that on the internet! But, secondly, Ron Paul’s views aren’t just economically oriented. He also has social views, and those are some of his crazier views.
by turambar85 on Sep 1, 2025 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a baseball board and these sort of debates get messy
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by jar75 on Sep 1, 2025 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps
But it isn’t a baseball thread! :)
by turambar85 on Sep 1, 2025 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus
His followers tend to fall into two camps. College Students and Hipsters with no sense of reality and whacko survivalist who think Obama is going to come take all their guns personally.
by ADLC on Sep 1, 2025 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
His degree of support
Is certainly odd. A lot of younger (let’s say age 25-35) people that support Paul, that I’ve talked to seem to like him because they can’t stand the normal politician BS, and to some degree because they are anti-war. It isn’t really about policies with them. Of course, there are plenty of informed people who support him because of his philosophy or policies or whatever, I just think the vast majority of his supporters support him for other reasons. It sort of reminds me of people who really like independent-minded politicians, and think that is more important than how those politicians vote.
by auclairkeithbc on Sep 1, 2025 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm 23 and support him because
-He is well versed in Austrian Economics
-He is staunchly non-interventionist
He deifies the Constitution too much for my liking, but I think that’s simply a tool to implement the first two points.
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by jar75 on Sep 1, 2025 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
how do you suggest we deal with negative externalities? for instance, how does someone in Bangladesh who is likely to be displaced by flooding due to climate change protect their property right?
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by shikantaza on Sep 1, 2025 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Jar
Obviously you don’t fall into the group I was talking about.
by auclairkeithbc on Sep 1, 2025 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
you keep talking about Austrian Economics
But I’ve yet to see anyone actually back up the Austrian school with proven performance or any real math. Read Friedman or any of a dozen other scholars to see a real rejection of the Austrian school.
by ADLC on Sep 1, 2025 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
My referencing Friedman btw
Is not an endorsement of the Chicago School either.
My personal opinion is that government should have a role in the private sector, but as a motivator, not a regulator. Reward good corporate behaviors rather then put undue burden on them. For example, a decade ago I wrote a position paper for a congressional candidate on the #1 thing the government could do to help the environment. I suggested that they should put a billion dollar prize (tax incentives and government contracts) for the first company that could create a solar cell that produced at a certain efficiency and cost less then $2/Watt .
by ADLC on Sep 1, 2025 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
That's exciting
I’d be more impressed if the market itself wasn’t already providing a multi-billion dollar incentive for such a solar cell, and nobody has yet to invent it. (Which doesn’t, of course, mean, that they won’t.)
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by OldProspects on Sep 1, 2025 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Has he actually read them?
Because I’ve read Hayek and liked him, but somehow missed the part where he described apartheid as good like Ron Paul’s magazine did.
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by OldProspects on Sep 1, 2025 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
yawn
old lie.
First, it was a newsletter, not a magazine. Not an important point, but since you can’t get that information correct, it’s not a hard leap to realize that none of the rest was true either.
He had nothing to do with the newsletter. Sure, irresponsible to hand the thing over, but oh well. The only hint of any bigotry in Ron Paul is wholly contained in those newsletters from decades ago.
One would assume that if he actually held any of those opinions that were written by someone else under his masthead, there would likely be at least one other example in his history - somewhere. But there isn’t.
Typical attempt to discredit the messenger rather than their actual positions.
by Galt on Sep 1, 2025 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
He had nothing to do with the newsletter? Of course you and I both know that the controversy erupted not over a single article, but over a series of articles published over a period of years in the newsletter of which he was the publisher, and provided his name to the title. The only evidence of his non-involvement? During a Presidential campaign, he denied being involved with it.
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by OldProspects on Sep 1, 2025 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course I meant newsletters and titles
Just in case you want to fight over grammar
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by OldProspects on Sep 1, 2025 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm twice your age
and Paul makes sense sometimes, although I don’t believe we should go back to the gold standard. I respected that he came out in favor of the mosque near Ground Zero, or rather, against those opposing it. Not that I care much either way about it (it’s right outside my office window) but I respected that he spoke up even though many of his supporters probably oppose it, but it’s consistent with a libertrian viewpoint, i’d think.
by wobatus on Sep 2, 2025 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
source?
or maybe just completely pull that out of your ass?
Because I’m not close to either. I’m well out of college, wear a suit every day and don’t even own a gun.
I think probably the biggest thing Paul supporters have in common isn’t wackiness or dangerous views, but the concern that government spending grows unchecked every single year.
Unfortunately, anyone who dares suggest that it slow down or (heaven forbid) decrease is an evil zealot who wants to kill old people and starve babies.
by Galt on Sep 1, 2025 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t it put it as a desire to affirmatively do something (want to kill), but to me it certainly shows a general disregard for the welfare of the poor. We’re an incredibly rich country. I find the idea that we should stop providing governmental assistance to people to be morally lacking.
Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?
by shikantaza on Sep 1, 2025 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Look
Im not saying that government spending isn’t out of whack with where it should be, but the elimination of, among other things, the Departments of Education, Agriculture, Veterans Affairs and Transportation, and a move back to the gold standard (and the associated destruction of wealth) are simply unrealistic and foolish goals.
Paul is a blowhard, who has NEVER given a valid, reasoned explanation of what he would do if his nut-job ideas where ever to go into effect.
I find it hilarious that a large number of his supporters also supported Ralph Nader, who is the poster child for government intervention in peoples lives.
by ADLC on Sep 2, 2025 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
You forgot #3, or as some might put it, "the Galt category"
Assholes.
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by PaulThomas on Sep 2, 2025 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
probably
because people tend to be stubborn and closed minded about political ideologies to which they don’t subscribe - along the lines of aligning them with a lack of sense, logic, or decency which clearly indicates an absolute ignorance of those positions not worthy wasting time debating
by Galt on Sep 1, 2025 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
looks like the time and place
as long as it stays civil
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by fourfingerwoo on Sep 2, 2025 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think this is the best forum for this kind of argument
And these arguments tend to go in circles and quickly devolve into ad hominem arguments. Hell, we do enough of that when simply discussing baseball players! I’m not trying to convert anyone to my position so I don’t plan on furthering it.
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by jar75 on Sep 2, 2025 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions
What if you were a car salesmen
when car sales plunged through the floor and dealers were closed down? I am not sure how all salesmen control their performance and earnings more so than others. They can fluctuate greatly no matter your efforts, no?
But respect for being in sales. It doesn’t have hipster cachet. I liked the character in Barcelona, the guy who is selling machine tools or motors in Spain surrounded by the Bohemian Crowd. So much literature disparages it “Death of a Salesman,” although i think mamet has a twisted admiration for it in Glengarry “I used to be in sales [throws down a shot], it’s a tough racket.”
by wobatus on Sep 2, 2025 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
actually...
Right now I am in car sales. got tired of being on the road and am taking a break. A good salesman will always do ok, regardless of circumstances, because there is always a demand. Compare that to an accountant, project manager, ect… where your performance can be leaps and bounds better then the rest of your department, but that may only mean a 1-2% higher raise.
by ADLC on Sep 3, 2025 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
John Piper
Tremendous Biblically-sound doctrine, largely following in the footsteps of John Calvin and Jonathan Edwards. Worth your time to check out.
by FMelius on Sep 1, 2025 6:12 PM EDT reply actions
Solid
definitely a good one
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
by biggentleben on Sep 1, 2025 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Mine...
John Dewey, David Hume (great call, John!), Charles Darwin, Steven Pinker, Daniel Dennett, Fyodor Dostoevsky, John Searle, John Rawls, and Christopher Hitchens (though we disagree on a few things!).
by turambar85 on Sep 1, 2025 6:16 PM EDT reply actions
Hitchens
disagrees with himself on a few things.
by auclairkeithbc on Sep 1, 2025 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
well
i meant it as a joke mainly, because it is basically his instinct to disagree. also, it isn’t really possible to disagree with oneself, unless there is some sort of serious psychological problems going on, and even then i’m not so sure it’s possible. i didn’t mean to say that he contradicts himself, if that’s how you took it. he has changed his positions on different issues of course, but that wasn’t really the point either. he certainly isn’t someone with a really consistent long term philosophy though, but he is an interesting guy to some degree, and certainly someone who likes to make an argument (i think much moreso than he is someone who cares which side he’s arguing).
by auclairkeithbc on Sep 1, 2025 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
good calls on Darwin, Pinker, and Dennett
I added Robert Wright in my list who is in the same vein as Pinker and Dennett; how I forgot Darwin, well, let’s say I’m adding him.
by Fierce Invalids on Sep 2, 2025 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
A short list
Dante Alighieri is first without a doubt. The Divine Comedy is one of the most influential books of all time that many people have never heard about
Bill James and Peter Gammons for Baseball
Joseph Stiglitz for Developmental Economics. Can’t get enough of this guy
My dad taught me how to be a decent human being and instilled intellectual curiosity
My college Philosophy of Religion professor taught me the right questions to ask (and the wrong ones)
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by Jgaztambide on Sep 1, 2025 6:31 PM EDT reply actions
Lacan
for everything
That's why they call them business sox
by egriffey on Sep 1, 2025 6:33 PM EDT reply actions
Moneyball actually had a huge impact on me.
I was 14 when I read it, and before reading it, I took everything I heard on TV or the radio to be the truth. Moneyball taught me to question “experts”, and everything really.
David Hume, Pasqual, and Jim from The Office, among others also influence me.
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by travdog6 on Sep 1, 2025 7:12 PM EDT reply actions
+1
Reading through the lists, I was surprised not to see anything about Moneyball (for both baseball and thought). I realize it has probably become “overrated” in a lot of ways. But it really was an eye-opener for me in the “don’t be afraid to question things that don’t make sense” way. Also, this + future economics classes taught me that people will always exploit market inefficiencies — the goal is to try to be the one taking advantage rather than the one being exploited. Definitely a book worth mentioning.
by Dfarth on Sep 1, 2025 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone read Liar's Poker
Lewis’s earlier book?
by wobatus on Sep 2, 2025 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
A few
CS Lewis, Lee Strobel, and Tony Dungy
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by biggentleben on Sep 1, 2025 7:14 PM EDT reply actions
Not to reveal too much about my politics...
Herbert Marcuse, Hannah Arendt, Eduard Bernstein, and Noam Chomsky.
by slamcactus on Sep 1, 2025 7:32 PM EDT reply actions
Arendt can go in any direction
depending on which of her books you read and how well you read them. She’s a bit like Foucault, where you constantly meet people who think all he ever wrote was about the pan-opticon, except in Arendt’s case, it’s normally just this vague reference to evil or totalitarianism.
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by OldProspects on Sep 1, 2025 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
The thing about Foucault is that he never actually said anything that anyone could understand
so you can pretty much pick out any of the various rambling, disjointed and semi-grammatical passages from his work and pretend that it means anything you want it to.
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by PaulThomas on Sep 2, 2025 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Really?
I’m no Foucault champion, but he doesn’t make any less sense than any other 20th century, or at least post-Nietzschean, philosopher who isn’t aiming at mass market celebrity. I mean, you can dismiss anyone from Kant to Hegel to Heidegger just because they don’t make the same kind of sense as a magazine article, but doing so skips over the fact that they’re striving to exceed exactly that kind of immediate common sense.
by gogotabata on Sep 2, 2025 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions
There's no way to say this without sounding totally arrogant
but whatever. Bottom line, I have an extremely large vocabulary, and am very tolerant of well-sculpted but dense prose (I loved Neal Stephenson’s Baroque Cycle, for instance, which is hardly at “magazine article” difficulty). And yet I find most post-Nietzschean self-titled philosophy (I say self-titled because there is plenty of deeply philosophical stuff which is not found in the philosophy section of a campus bookstore) to be incomprehensible.
There’s nothing there. It’s just words strung together. There’s a reason why people were able to get gibberish printed in Social Text, or have robots write realistic-sounding postmodernist articles. The whole thing is just a game in which the very purpose is not to be understood, because the person who is best not-understood is the person into whose work the audience can most easily read their own strange notions of reality.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
by PaulThomas on Sep 2, 2025 3:08 AM EDT up reply actions
So
It’s not a matter of intelligence nor size of vocabulary. There are really smart people with very large vocabularies who would get lost by the first chapter of a Bill James book, because they’re not familiar with that vocabulary. This problem gets increasingly difficult once you consider that academic writers aren’t trying to be as accessible as James is.
As a general rule, I do agree that philosophers, as well as other academics, aren’t very good at expressing themselves in a comprehensible way. (That being said, one of the exceptions to that rule is, I think, Foucault. He happens not to be that difficult; people just don’t read him, except for one chapter) That doesn’t necessarily mean that they’re simply spouting nonsense (though of course in most cases, they are)
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by OldProspects on Sep 2, 2025 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow...
My reference to Marcuse and Hannah Arendt turned into an argument about the value of Pomo? Weird.
On the Human Condition and Marcuse’s One Dimensional Man are, in my opinion, the two greatest distillations of modern material culture to come out of the 20th century.
by slamcactus on Sep 3, 2025 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
The difference is that robot postmodernists haven’t produced concepts that influence how people think. Regardless of what you think of the texts themselves, the concepts they produced are extremely influential.
by limozeen on Sep 2, 2025 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Anyone can choose to be influenced by anything
I can find deep meaning in Dick, Jane and Spot if I want to. I don’t think there’s any objective standard of “influential.”
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by PaulThomas on Sep 2, 2025 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
But the question posed by John is
who influenced you, and no one here said Dick, jane and Spot. Someone said Foucault. You say he’s meaningless. It’s an influentuial meaninglessness evidently.
by wobatus on Sep 2, 2025 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Never disputed that it was/is influential
Just reserving my rights to mock Foucault whenever it comes up in conversation….
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
by PaulThomas on Sep 2, 2025 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
fair enough
I think pursuit of happiness covers that one.
by wobatus on Sep 3, 2025 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions
It's an intellectual discipline
It takes some reading to get inside it, so to speak. Foucault seemed pretty simple to me only after reading Hegel’s Phenomenology, Kant’s third Critique, Marx’s Capital, Heidegger’s Being & Time and a decent amount of Nietzsche. I had to familiarize myself with the concepts that are being explicitly, or more often, implicitly, critiqued and revised. Just because there are poorly edited journals, or clever programs, doesn’t discredit an entire discipline; to casually call it gibberish just tells me I shouldn’t take you too seriously, intellectually. I wouldn’t have the arrogance to pick up a couple of journals or foundational texts outside my own interests and semi-expertise—in, like, architecture or economics—and start going around dismissing an entire portion of it just because it didn’t make immediate sense to me.
It’s like dismissing Coltrane’s Ascension or Miles Davis’ On the Corner because it just sounds like a bunch of random notes strung together; no one’s saying everyone has to like these albums, but it is pretty disingenuous to dismiss them as basically hoaxes without apprehending their place in a larger chain. You know, before your dismissal can be taken seriously, you’d have to listen to Scott Joplin, Louis Armstrong, Charlie Parker, Cecil Taylor, etc on through say Albert Ayler, Herbie Hancock, Anthony Braxton, etc and listen to the earlier works of Coltrane and Miles, and then explain why the Ascension and On the Corner should be dismissed. By doing so, you’re actually critiquing the work from a position inside the world it is making claims on. Otherwise you just sound like an old fart saying, “I don’t like post-modernism/rock and roll/jazz/etc,” and will be intellectually dismissed by all except those who happen to hold the exact same opinion for the exact same reason.
You have every right to dismiss entire disciplines or traditions without giving serious reasons. It’ll just be a mistake, I think, to expect to be taken seriously while doing so.
Like I said, I’m not a huge Foucault fan (I’m not anti-Foucault either, just a casual reader—I really respect him, though), but I don’t pretend to such innate intellectual mastery as to dismiss him as a fraud. He has a piece called “Nietzsche, Genealogy, History” that I’ve found to be pretty enlightening — it’s actually not all that different from how a Greil Marcus or Bob Dylan approaches musical history, the idea that behind the large narrative there are all the odd and inexplicable events and occurrences, and that a richer understanding can come from adopting a worldview that can include those weirdo events and occurrences than from pretending they didn’t exist.
For example, there’s a certain sense that we think of the Enlightenment, and reason and Descarte’s “I think therefore I am” as all being the unavoidable natural progression of things, unavoidable and true, a sort of metaphysically inescapable occurrence. Foucault is basically saying that it’ll be worth our effort if we can understand reason in terms of its actual, prosaic history. He writes:
“Examining the history of reason, he learns that it was born in an altogether ‘reasonable’ fashion—from chance; devotion to truth and the precision of scientific methods arose from the passion of scholars, their reciprocal hatred, their fanatical and unending discussions, and their spirit of competition—the personal conflicts that slowly forged the weapons of reason.”
Now, Foucault isn’t saying reason is worthless because it came out of the passions and conflicts and self-serving practices of long-dead men; he’s saying that there are limits to reason as a faculty, that it’s establishment and proliferation came about as much by chance and human passion as dispassionate, objective thought. Simply, the world can’t be explained away by a faculty (reason) that can’t fully even explain itself. This is not to say, again, that reason is useless or wrong, but that it has limits.
This sort of lays out a lot of Foucault’s approach, the desire to (in his words) “cultivate the details and accidents that accompany every beginning.” So when he tackles something like madness or sexuality, he works to dig up all the messy details and conflicts and contexts that helped produce what for us today seem like common sense notions of insanity and sexuality, providing tools for questioning or affirming them.
To me, this is a far cry from your description of him as basically a trickster monkey banging out random words on a typewriter, raking in the cash.
by gogotabata on Sep 2, 2025 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
My first reaction
is the same as my reaction to a proposal that only lawyers’ associations should be able to regulate lawyers, or only business trade commissions should be able to regulate businesses. It’s so self-interested that it becomes worthless as criticism.
My second reaction is that disciplines that actually have content in them can be popularized in a way that is understandable and useful to people. Most people are not familiar with the academic debates about the nitty-gritty of evolution, but they understand the basic concepts. (Actually, this is America. I take that back… but I think you get my point.) The same is true for math, economics, history, etc. Even law, where there are concrete economic interests operating in favor of keeping it as opaque as possible.
There are no popularizers of Foucault (or if there are, I’ve never heard of them— even the “Introducing Foucault” type books are pitched at college students looking for a way out of actually reading the stuff). Partly because doing so would defeat the purpose of reading him, which is part academic hazing ritual and part secret handshake, but mostly because there is very little actual content to popularize.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
by PaulThomas on Sep 2, 2025 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Out of curiosity, have you read Foucault?
Because what you’re saying sounds much more apropos for a criticism of a Derrida or Deleuze or Guittari, who all write a very dense language (I happen to very much like the latter two - the first is incomprehensible to me, but I didn’t try very hard). Foucault, on the other hand, is rather accessible. In fact, from reading your posts, I have a feeling you might even like him - History of Madness is long, but Discipline and Punish is short and fascinating.
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by OldProspects on Sep 3, 2025 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I have more respect for Derrida because he actually understood
that what he was writing was word-games, and adopted a kind of relentlessly cheery attitude about the fact that people were actually paying him to do it.
I rather enjoyed the documentary on him.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
by PaulThomas on Sep 2, 2025 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
your streaking through the mall
wondering if we was your ankles
"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers."
by fourfingerwoo on Sep 2, 2025 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
saw your ankles
"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers."
by fourfingerwoo on Sep 2, 2025 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow! I love this topic!
For baseball, two people simultaneously shaped the way I viewed the game … my mother, and a radio sportscaster in Seattle named Leo Lassen. My mother was a huge fan of the Seattle Rainiers (our home team), and, to a somewhat lesser degree, the Brooklyn Dodgers. (She always rooted for the underdog). She taught me to keep score as together we listened to nearly every game on radio. In my recollection, I don’t ever recall her attending one in person. Leo Lassen was the best radio broadcaster I ever heard, before or since. Yes, better than Vin Scully, Earnie Harwell, Mel Allen … all the greats. He had a voice like a cold north wind screeching over a row of rusty bathtubs … but the way he described the game made his sound beautiful to us. Leo was also one of the great “recreation” artists … who created the game broadcast by reading an abbreviated teletype message. Some of our family’s greatest times were listening when Leo had to stall because the teletype stopped working for awhile … He never let on what had happened, and it was only from years of listening to every game on the radio that we finally figured out what was happening. He was priceless, and greatly increased my understanding and love of the game. Leo and my Mom. God, I have tears in my eyes.
by squarejaw on Sep 1, 2025 7:39 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Baseball - Kenny Powers
Philosophy - Doug Coughlin
“Coughlin’s Law; Anything else is always something better.”
“Coughlin’s Law; Bury the dead, they stink up the place.”
“Coughlin’s Law; I don’t care how liberated this world becomes - a man will always be judged by the amount of alcohol he can consume - and a woman will be impressed, whether she likes it or not.”
tremendously tremendous
by Crease Monkey on Sep 1, 2025 8:34 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
rec'd just for your subject line
Adoptive parent of Kyle Nicholson
by gore51 on Sep 1, 2025 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Kurt Vonnegut and Alan Moore
I read a book or two of Vonnegut’s every year. I’m reading God Bless You Mr. Rosewater right now. As I grow older, I am not sure about all of his conclusions, but I think that he has good intentions and a lot of what he is trying to impart is heartfelt and true.
I also like Alan Moore a lot. Alan Moore is almost certainly batschmidt crazy though at this point. Still, really brilliant at times. If someone is going to be batschmidt crazy, Mr. Moore’s way is the way to do it.
by WilliamO on Sep 1, 2025 8:46 PM EDT reply actions
George Carlin
Without a doubt made the most sense to me, from his political stances to logic about the world.
by Looney4baseball on Sep 1, 2025 9:44 PM EDT reply actions
+1
As soon as I read the topic he was the first one to pop into my mind. I first heard him about 20 years ago when I was 14, and even though it wasn’t one of his political stand up routines (it was the “Playing with Your Head” album) it got me liking him enough to where I listened to his more political stand-ups and found I agreed with much of what he had to say.
Baseball-wise, not to be a kiss ass, but John Sickels opened my eyes the most. I wasn’t more than a casual fan when I joined a DMB Dynasty league and back in 2003 there wasn’t a whole lot of prospect information that was easily found. I started reading the Down on the Farm segments at ESPN but soon after John made this site here and I was one of the original members. I learned a lot about prospecting here, and from other members here I have learned a lot, and been pointed to other great sites like Fangraphs and Baseball Think Factory. I think Fangraphs has a lot of great information, but they break things down so much it almost takes some of the childlike fun out of the game. BTF is a fun place to read, but a lot of the times it seems more like a site where baseball fans get together to talk about other things that have a baseball reference to them. I still love all three of these sites though.
Also, a Criminal Justice professor I had for about four different classes in college. He was a former Tennessee police officer who got his Master’s while on the force and ended up a professor at New Mexico State. His lectures and discussions made me think, they weren’t all preachy, and they weren’t focused on how messed up the system is (like many of my classes). He presented things logically and treated us like adults and not like the snotty 18-22 year olds we were lol.
Also, Bill Simmons has shaped a lot of how I see pop culture. I’ve been reading him since he started at ESPN… so since I was about 24 or so. Same with guys like Kevin Smith (director of movies like Clerks and Dogma), Stephen King (read Pet Semetary in 4th grade and never again picked up a children’s book), and Howard Stern a listened to a lot in my late teens and early 20s so I know he impacted my maturity into an adult as well.
And my parents of course.
by Boxkutter on Sep 2, 2025 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Theological and otherwise...
I’m a pastor, and my most important theological influences are Robert Farrar Capon, Frederich Buechner, Gerhard Forde, Martin Luther, and C.S. Lewis.
I also am moved by the boldness, candor, and art of Hunter S. Thompson, Kevin Smith, Mark Twain, Bill James, Roger Waters, Bob Dylan, Aaron Sorkin, and Cameron Crowe. Obviously very different voices and fields, but influences nonetheless.
by doog7642 on Sep 1, 2025 9:58 PM EDT reply actions
Thomas Sowell “If you have always believed that everyone should play by the same rules and be judged by the same standards, that would have gotten you labeled a radical 60 years ago, a liberal 30 years ago and a racist today.”
Milton Friedman " If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there’d be a shortage of sand. "
Edmond Burke “Hypocrisy can afford to be magnificent in its promises; for never intending to go beyond promises; it costs nothing.”
James Madison" Do not separate text from historical background. If you do, you will have perverted and subverted the Constitution, which can only end in a distorted, bastardized form of illegitimate government’
Favorite authors James Clavell and Leon Uris
Biggest baseball influence, my grandmother who taught me how to follow the Baltimore Orioles in Florida utilizing the Boxscore. And who just this year, well past the age of 80 took the annual drive to B-More with my grandfather for the Orioles opening home stand.
But the biggest influence in my life is my grandfather who lives to this day, an Italian immigrant with no education. Served in World War II. Upon returning was granted his citizenship. Went to work at Martin Marietta, attended night school and received his B.A. in engineering and went on to help design guidance systems including the Hellfire missle
"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers."
by fourfingerwoo on Sep 1, 2025 10:06 PM EDT reply actions
favorite politician
Brace yourself, Alan Keyes minus the “moral propaganda”
"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers."
by fourfingerwoo on Sep 1, 2025 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
I used to like Andy Harris till I saw this on his website…
It is essential to uphold the traditional family values that have been the American tradition.
by ADLC on Sep 2, 2025 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
not that i'm stating whether he is correct or not, but his presentation
is so abrahsive and devisive it drowns the message
"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers."
by fourfingerwoo on Sep 2, 2025 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Utah Phillips
Clarence Darrow
Thaddeus Stevens
John Rawls, by extension (I’ve never actually read his books, but just about every philosophical argument I agree with is built from them)
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
by PaulThomas on Sep 2, 2025 12:31 AM EDT reply actions
I read Theory of Justice
and Nozick too.
Try Michael Sandel.
It was funny, I ws on a co-op board, and some shareholders were complaining about the laundryroom vent. We changed it’s direction at some cost and they still complained of noise. So another member and I went to their apartment to discuss. They were nice enough, but with the vent running we didn’t really hear the noise.
In discussing the matter with them, i made the mistake of saying it’s an old complex, the vent has to go somewhere, we don’t want to spend more on a useless fix that may just make someone else upset, that we have to take a utilatarian approach. The wife says "Maybe you should take a Rawlsian approach.
And that’s why I finally read Theory of Justice.
by wobatus on Sep 2, 2025 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Awesome thread...
…Ralph Ellison for Invisible Man; Harold Cruse for The Crisis of the Negro Intellectual; John Coltrane; Hermann Hesse for Siddhartha. Harold Thurman. That’s just what comes off the top of my head at 2:00am.
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park. In Rizzo and Ramos we trust.
by souldrummer on Sep 2, 2025 2:02 AM EDT reply actions
Ellison
shame he didn’t come out with much more, although I think Juneteenth was cobbled together after his death. I could be wrong there.
by wobatus on Sep 2, 2025 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
True on that.
There’s been a couple versions of Juneteenth that have come out. He’s written some really strong essays as well, though. Brilliant intellectual and you wish that he’d have stifled the perfectionism long enough to come up with a follow up to Invisible Man.
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park. In Rizzo and Ramos we trust.
by souldrummer on Sep 2, 2025 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I do like these formative intellectual threads ...
that dovetail inevitably into baseball.
Authors: L. Frank Baum, JRR Tolkien, CS Lewis, Ray Bradbury, Howard Zinn, Mark Twain
Playwrights: Sean O’Casey, Shakespeare, Sam Shephard, David Mamet, David Henry Hwang
Poets: William Butler Yeats, Seamus Heaney, TS Eliot, Dr. Seuss, Robert Frost, Wilfred Owen
Directors: Akira Kurosawa, Stanley Kubrick
Musicians: Neil Young, Richard Thompson, Neil Peart
Baseball Influences: The Natural, Mizuno, Yaz, Don Sutton on a 7-11 Slurpee Cup, Jeff Burroughs model Louisville Slugger Little League Bat, Drew Middleton.
by Christopher Sharp on Sep 2, 2025 2:22 AM EDT reply actions
Ronald Reagan, Thomas Sowell, James Hetfield and Bill Walsh.
Neal before Zod!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 2, 2025 2:27 AM EDT reply actions
Jeff Lebowski
Capt. John Yossarian
and Abe Lincoln
by wobatus on Sep 2, 2025 8:15 AM EDT reply actions
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
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by gatling on Sep 2, 2025 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm actually
a litle old for Lebowski to have been a formative intellectual influence, although I love the character. Maybe the guy Patrick Swayzee played in Road House?
The Monty Python guys. Second City Television, when Harold Ramis was on. H.L. Mencken. The Marx Brothers. OK, I’m not THAT old.
by wobatus on Sep 2, 2025 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Lebowski is a great flick
Road House is one of the all time great “enjoyable bad movies” as Bill Simmons calls them.
http://bullpenbanter.com
by gatling on Sep 2, 2025 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
My grandfather, Justice Cardozzo, Justice Scalia, Judge Learned Hand, Moneyball.
Everything that guy just said is bullshit . . .thank you
by Scranton on Sep 2, 2025 8:44 AM EDT reply actions
If someone is an intellectual influence
you should spell his name correctly: Cardozo. :)
by wobatus on Sep 2, 2025 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Haha, I shoulda looked up before hand.
Nonetheless, one of the most important jurists this Country has seen.
Everything that guy just said is bullshit . . .thank you
by Scranton on Sep 2, 2025 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Jesus...
…the guy who pumps my gas.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Sep 2, 2025 8:53 AM EDT reply actions
It seems I am a bit more liberal than most here
My list:
I am a Soto Zen Buddhist, so: Siddhārtha Gautama (Buddha), Dogen Zenji, Shunryu Suzuki, and Brad Warner.
Political/Philosophical: Franklin D. Roosevelt, Martin Luther King Jr., Karl Marx, Saul Alinsky, William Domhoff, Buddhadasa Bhikkhu, Bernie Sanders
Others: Muhammad Yunus, Bill James, George Carlin, Prof. Norman Krumholz, Dr. Lauren Eastwood
I am sure I am forgetting some….but to be expected with such a list.
by cookiedabookie on Sep 2, 2025 11:14 AM EDT reply actions
mine would be
dad, my older brother, my mom. My first grade teacher Mrs. Duchovany (David Duchovany’s mom), my 8th grade math/English teacher, Mrs. Collet, and 6th grade math teacher Mrs. Henry.
spiritual: my best friend’s guru Pamela Wilson, Buddah
authors: Tolkien, E.B. White, CS Lewis, Twain, R.A. Salvatore, Hickman and Weis, Raymond E. Feist, Octavia Butler.
Artists: Michelangelo
movies: Bruce Lee
music: Simon and Garfunkel (as a duo)
baseball wise: While my bro got me into watching and enjoying the game….
I agree, John Sickels also opened my eyes at being a “better” fan and understanding stats. I used to just enjoy minor leagues on a casual basis, but he got me into loving the “youth movement”. I even follow college ball to some degree thanks to John.
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
by feslenraster on Sep 2, 2025 11:17 AM EDT reply actions
heh. I'd have to add two more huge influences:
self-motivation: Zig Ziglar, Tony Robbins. yep they work.
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
by feslenraster on Sep 2, 2025 11:24 AM EDT reply actions
Richard Dawkins
A quick search shows no one else mentioning him, but he is an intellectual giant in two very important fields: evolution, and in particular evolutionary psychology; and antitheism. And for a bonus, he also “invented” the concept of memes.
Others include Thomas Jefferson, Robert Wright, Bastiat and the other Austrians (Mises, Hayek, etc), Stuart Kauffman (an obscure chaos theory scientist), Rush (in my teens, obviously), Robert Higgs (an outstanding libertarian/Austrian thinker/writer), Tolkien (ok, not really a “thinker”, but he influenced me in the sense of teaching me that we have to have “fantasies”), and way too many others.
by Fierce Invalids on Sep 2, 2025 1:22 PM EDT reply actions
Mad Magazine
Reading Mad as a kid probably formed my identity as much as anything.
I am beginning to lose patience
With my personal relations.
They are not deep
And they are not cheap.
W.H. Auden
by jimduquettesucked on Sep 2, 2025 6:03 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Actually John & The Commenters
Most of the comments have already gone over a lot of my intellectual influences- I’ll add Shel Silverstein (his books opened my brain as a child), John Waters (my father owned a video store- probably shouldn’t have shown his son Pink Flamingos at like 7 years old), Edgar Allen Poe (love darkness in lit), Albert Einstein (mostly his thought of time, which I still practice to this day- read Einstien’s Dreams. Great book), Picasso for Guernica, Monet, Degas, Dali, My great grandmother and many others that formed my thoughts on things.
The main reason I’m posting though is I’ve been an avid reader of John’s for as long as I’ve been online and between his writing on prospects (opened my eyes to the stats v. scouting world), the commenters on this particular site are the best on the web. Period. There isn’t anywhere else where such intelligent debate and intelligent people who ACTUALLY see the people they are talking about and post. A true rarity. You should all commend yourselves!
As for baseball- Paul DePodesta (in Moneyball), John, Peter Gammons (many moons ago), Joe Sheehan (TINSTAAPP), Joe Posnanski, Bubs (a Cali dude who ran a baseball card shop, dressed in a sarong, had women of the night over and invented dice baseball), Ralph Kiner (I’m a long suffereing, butt of many jokes Mets fan) and my grandfather.
Thank you guys and keep up the great work!
by thehitonecafe on Sep 2, 2025 6:30 PM EDT reply actions
Influences
Bertrand Russel, Jonathan Swift, Fydor Dostoyevsky, Edith Wharton, Voltaire, Edmund Husserl, John Maynard Keynes, Milton Friedman, Knut Wicksell, Paul Krugman, Alexis de Tocqueville, Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Pain, Ben Franklin, Mark Twain, Bob Dylan, Woody Allen, Aldous Huxley, DH Lawrence, Harper Lee, Ernest Hemingway, Jimmy Breslin, Murray Kempton, ee cummings, James Thurber, John Lennon, John Coltrane, Thelonious Monk, Ludwig van Beethoven, Howard Zinn, John Sayles, John Ford, John Steinbeck, Emmanuel Lasker, Paul Cezanne, Warren Buffet, Benjamin Graham, Alfred Adler, Dale Carnegie, Stephen Colbert, Linus Pauling, Guido van Rossum.
by acerimusdux on Sep 2, 2025 9:34 PM EDT reply actions
influences
Interesting that Dostoyvevski shows up alot
by John Sickels on Sep 2, 2025 9:42 PM EDT reply actions
Minor League baseball and Nihilism...
Turns out, they go together perfectly. Apparently.
Notes from Underground is among my favorite fictional works, but I can’t really say he’s a prime intellectual influence.
by slamcactus on Sep 3, 2025 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
you know
I might have listed Noam Chomsky at one point, but I eventually decided that he too often attributed some actions to imperialistic malice that were better attributed to simple stupidity.
Interestingly, I worked for Bill James and have met Noam Chomsky and corresponded with him for a time. Now, if I could just meet Roger Waters…
by John Sickels on Sep 3, 2025 10:25 PM EDT reply actions
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