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Overrated 2010 Draft Prospects

What early-round draft prospects for 2010 strike you as overrated?

Personally, I think Zack Cox and Deck McGuire might be overrated. I still see them as first-rounders, but I'm not sure I buy them as Top Ten guys. I like Eibner better than either one of them.  I also wouldn't touch Ranaudo at all right now, not in the first round. And as athletic as he is, I'm still concerned about Gary Brown's lack of plate discipline as a potential leadoff guy. 

I don't have a problem with most of the high school guys...I think the consensus rankings on them are about right. 

What say you?

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Agreed on Cox

I just scratched him off my draft board for the community mock, not that I expect him to be around at #13.

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by The Big Hurt on May 28, 2025 5:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Chris Sale

Don’t like the mechanics and outside of a good season and great CC season, not the greatest track record.

by nmh on May 28, 2025 5:13 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah i just watched vid of him today

don’t like his motion at all

by daveh33 on May 28, 2025 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with your picks of Cox and Brown.

by JP_Frost on May 28, 2025 5:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Cox

if his defense doesn’t hold up at 3B then he’s overrated. I like that bat, questions on power potential or no.

by blackoutyears on May 28, 2025 5:50 PM EDT reply actions  

2b

Cox may be in line for a permanent move to 2B (he has been playing there a little bit for Arkansas). If he moves to 2b then i see him being worth much more as his bat is Billy Butler-esque (not quite as good but he does crush the ball).

by bkmhoxx on May 30, 2025 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Christian Colon

From what I’ve seen of him and read online, his likely ceiling is as an okay bat with a decent glove at 2B. That really doesn’t strike me as someone worth a Top 10 pick.

His teammate, Gary Brown, is another one I’d put on my list. He has a chance to be a very good defender in CF, but as of May 25th, the guy has more HBPs (10) than BBs (9) for heaven’s sake. That’s just ugly. I don’t see him as someone worth a first round pick and would seriously consider taking guys like LaMarre, Watson, and Jarrett Parker over him.

by Outshined_One on May 28, 2025 5:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Brown

reminds me of Peter Bourjos early on in his minor league career, and I didn’t like his bat back then. I like Brown’s swing even less than Bourjos.

by SoCalSoxFan on May 28, 2025 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Austin Wilson

great athlete, not a very good hitter.
his team came out here back in March for a wood bat tourney along with some of the other top high school teams in the nation. wilson played CF and batted leadoff, don’t think he even had a base hit in the entire tourney.
if i’m going to spend $3mill+, I want to see more hit tool and game power than what i saw that week

by ScottAZ on May 28, 2025 5:57 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

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by doublestix on May 28, 2025 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pomeranz

Although that’s probably more a reflection on how weak the entire draft class is.

by T Pac on May 28, 2025 6:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed, John

I’m not very high on Cox, Brown or McGuire. Brown is most interesting because of his great defense in CF, but the lack of walks is very disturbing. I also think Michael Choice and Bryce Brentz are being overrated because of the paucity of college bats.

by jar75 on May 28, 2025 6:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Kolbrin Vitek

Not toolsy enough to be worthy of a top pick IMO. He’s hit consistently, albeit it’s been against weaker competition compared to some other guys.

by kmule on May 28, 2025 6:31 PM EDT reply actions  

I was going to say Vitek

new Callis mock has my Padres taking him at 9, and I absolutely can’t see any reason as to why, other than the draft class just being that weak.

by walnut falcons on May 28, 2025 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of Callis' new mock

I think he pulled most of it out of his ass. Mocks are mostly guesses anyway. However, he has Wilson at 11 (Don’t see him going that high - not saying he shouldn’t, I just don’t see somebody taking a chance on him that early) Whitson, Grandal, and Covey at 16, 17, 18, Ranaudo at 20 (I can’t see him going that high at this point), And Allie at 26. I think there’s no way all of Allie, Covey, Grandal, and Whitson fall out of the top 10.

by kmule on May 28, 2025 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

There have been rumors

that the Jays are strongly considering Wilson at 11 IF they think he’s signable. That may be one of the few picks he’s actually not pulling out of his ass.

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by The Big Hurt on May 28, 2025 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a Jays fan

I like the Wilson pick IF they think they can polish him because knowing they can get the pick back next year in a supposedly stronger draft, it’s not a bad play to gamble on a high-tools guy that you might not be able to sign.

Especially in a year when you have so many other high-round picks.

by WillRain1 on May 28, 2025 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jim Callis

Projected Wilson to go to the Jays at No. 11, and while he’s not the be-all end-all, he definitely has his sources. Frankie Piliere (a smart guy with his own share of sources) said the Jays would take him if they thought he was signable. No clue about that just yet, but the fact that the Jays have been paying a lot of attention to working out prep shortstops makes me think that they might be looking to conserve some money by grabbing Kellen Sweeney or Tony Wolters with one of the supplemental first rounders as a signability guy. Money saved is money that goes to the Austin Wilson slush fund.

by mrkupe on May 28, 2025 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

sometimes i just get the sense

that Jays fans want wilson because he’ll cost a lot and not because he’s good

by ayjackson on May 28, 2025 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

jays

I wouldn’t say he’s “not good” . . .his tools are exceptional, he’s just really raw.

That being said, I understand the thought process. It’s been tough to be a Jays fan for a long time, and they completely botched last year’s draft.

I get that a lot of Jays fans (especially prospect savvy ones) would like nothing more than for the organization to spend a record-breaking amount of money, filling the farm with a bunch of high upside prep players, but that’s just not smart business. After the disaster of last year’s draft, the one thing they CAN’T do is blow this draft too. They need some safe signs, some guaranteed value. I have no doubt that they’ll spend on a few guys (they want some crown jewels to show off), but it’s got to be balanced with guys who are going to be easy signs and some high-floor players to start building towards the future. They can’t afford another Ahrens/Jackson/Tolisano haul.

by mrkupe on May 28, 2025 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

didn't Ranaudo have a good outing the other day?

I thought he pitched into the 8th inning on the 26th, with his fastball sitting 92-94. I understand that’s just one outing, but it looks like the ship might be getting back on track.

by mrkupe on May 28, 2025 6:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Fastball tanked down to 90-91 after like 2 innings apparently. He came out and threw some mid 90’s, fanned some guys, then he apparently went back to throwing low 90’s with very little movement.

by metafour on May 28, 2025 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree on Cox and C. Sale

I’ll be surprised if Cox turns out to be better than ML average or a little above. He may not even stick at third base either. Could turn out to be a James Loney type first baseman, not what I want in the top ten picks.

Chris Sale is a reliever. It’s a shame, because without the injury risk, he might be the best pitcher in the draft. But I am not picking a closer in the first round. Sorry.

by OremLK on May 28, 2025 6:59 PM EDT reply actions  

what injury risk?

I think he might’ve had something back when he was a junior in HS, but don’t think it was an arm thing . . .

by mrkupe on May 28, 2025 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chris Sale is an extremely productive left-handed pitcher with advanced control and good stuff. He can crank his fastball up into the mid-90’s with outstanding movement and his change has a chance to be a very good pitch. He has a chance to rack up high strikeout totals, low walk rates and good ground ball rates. If he reaches his upside, he’s a very valuable player. But Sale’s mechanics put him at a very high level of injury risk. If you believe that a pitching motion can contribute to injuries, it’s likely that Sale’s will. He appears unlikely to be able to handle a consistent starter’s workload.

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by OremLK on May 28, 2025 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh

So basically, there’s nothing to see here. Gotcha.

by mrkupe on May 28, 2025 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Show me a major league starting pitcher with mechanics similar to Sale’s, who hasn’t had a career riddled with injuries.

by OremLK on May 28, 2025 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you might be confused

I continue to be of the belief that at present, we cannot establish the connection between pitching mechanics and pitching injuries.

The only thing I care about at all mechanically is whether or not a guy can repeat his pitching motion. If there’s a link between mechanics and injury to be found, I think that’s where the first blow will be struck, but even there I remain unconvinced for now. The part that worries me right now with a guy being able to repeat his mechanics has very little to do with injury, and much more to do with command . . .obviously, if the ball comes out of his hand a different way every time, then he probably isn’t too sure where it’s going to end up.

Fortunately, from that very same report:

On the positive side, Sale’s mechanics are certainly deceptive. Even though they are unorthodox, he does seem to repeat his motion well. Even the ‘best’ mechanics don’t mean much if a pitcher can’t repeat them.

So, I’m good with that. Of course, then he goes into a long-winded discussion of “energy expenditure” and “kinetic chains”, whatever the hell that is supposed to mean. Now, it’s a VERY well-written piece for the most part, but the only background I can find on Lincoln Hamilton (and believe me, I looked) is that he is “Senior Scout” at Project Prospect. I really have no clue why he’s talking like Bill Nye the Science Guy here.

by mrkupe on May 28, 2025 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don’t have to be Bill Nye to know that Chris Sale’s pitching motion is painful just to watch.

by OremLK on May 28, 2025 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

not really

If it hurt him to pitch like that, I’d just assume that he wouldn’t pitch. He almost certainly wouldn’t have an easy time repeating his motion.

by mrkupe on May 28, 2025 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Project Prospect

Is more overrated than anybody in the 2010 draft class ….

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by WayneCampbell08 on May 28, 2025 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Project Prospect

Has much more in-depth analysis than I’ve ever seen in the comment section here (love Sickels’ work though).

by OremLK on May 28, 2025 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

chill

I disagree with WC’s assertion, but Project Prospect would probably be the first to admit that, as they are running a business rather than a fansite, they have a higher threshold for quality and a greater responsibility in what they’re putting out for public consumption.

Some of us have written some pretty meaty pieces that stack up quite well with their work, IMO. Taking a jab at the entire poster community here is not a good way to endear yourself to anybody.

by mrkupe on May 28, 2025 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're right

I apologize for that. It was a knee-jerk response to WC taking a jab at all of PP.

by OremLK on May 28, 2025 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's cool

Personally I quite enjoy PP’s work, but I think at times the site suffers from a confusion of identity. Do they want to be scouts or do they want to be journalists? The Chris Sale piece is a great example of the conflict . . .it goes from a a pretty well-balanced evaluation into a rather heavy-handed opinion piece. No, they didn’t say, “There’s not a chance in hell he’s a starter,” but “his home appears to be in the bullpen” is pretty close.

You might say, “Well, why can’t they be both?” They definitely can, but seeing a shift from one to the other in the middle of the same piece is confusing and potentially misleading.

by mrkupe on May 28, 2025 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

mickey lalich...

One of the most durable pitchers in Major League history without any history of arm related injuries. 12 straight years of 200+ innings including 4 300+ inning seasons and one 376 inning season.

There are plenty of pitchers with those type of mechanics that have gone on to have excellent careers. There are many pitchers with “safe” mechanics that have had injury riddled-careers.

I haven’t seen any significant studies that say for sure whether those inverted type of mechanics are that much more riskier than basic level mechanics. I think there is some correlation here, but correlation does not equal causation and further research needs to be done before declaring certain theories as actual facts.

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by Alex Eisenberg on May 30, 2025 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd hope

that whoever drafts him adjusts the arm slot. Even if he isn’t an injury risk he’s in danger of being unable to develop the breaking ball he’ll need for the pros. He’s a FB/change guy right now, which follows from that type of 3/4 arm slot as it leads to flat breaking balls.

I was watching TCU vid of Matt Purke, who had a very low 3/4, slinging arm slot in h.s., and he seems to have benefited from raising his arm. I’m much more sanguine about his chances of being a top-notch starter and staying healthy. Most of the criticism of Sale seems cosmetic (too thin, painful mechanics), and while I share that reaction and can see why so many believe that those are red flags, I’m not sure this is the basis for substantive criticism.

by blackoutyears on May 31, 2025 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

overrated

I actually think Cox is pretty good . . .I wouldn’t bet on him to be a star, but I like his chances to be a solid contributor with some upside to be more than that. That’s a guy you can win with, and I wouldn’t mind investing a relatively high pick on him.

McGuire, yeah, a bit overrated. Solid arm, but if Alex Wimmers is healthy, I would take Wimmers over him in a heartbeat, and you don’t see Wimmers getting top 10 buzz.

Other guys I think are overrated: Brown (good guy for teams with multiple picks though), Austin Wilson (corner outfielder who might not hit? pass for now), Covey (good arm, but would feel crappy if my team took him inside the top 10), Harvey (ditto . . .nice upside, super risky), Wojo!@#$%^&* (taking this guy in the first half of the first round would be awful . . .don’t do it White Sox!)

by mrkupe on May 28, 2025 7:12 PM EDT reply actions  

+1 on noWojo to the Sox

You a Sox fan or did that just come up because of Callis’ mock?

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by The Big Hurt on May 28, 2025 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

both, actually.

I grew up a White Sox fan, about 20 minutes northwest of the city - I’m actually here now for the next few days, visiting family.

Woj definitely looks the part of a first rounder, tall and in good shape, but I don’t think his stuff is electric enough or deep enough to project as anything more than a back end starter in a rotation or as a setup guy in a bullpen. On the other hand, he’d be a very easy sign at 13.

by mrkupe on May 28, 2025 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Going to a Hawks Game?

Better hurry, the Stanley Cup will be over fast …

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by WayneCampbell08 on May 28, 2025 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

seems higher unlikely

I don’t have that kind of disposable income, and honestly, living in Austin, I had no clue the Hawks were doing this well until I got back.

Also, the guy who won American Idol apparently is from the town that’s literally across the street from me here. I also don’t watch that show.

by mrkupe on May 28, 2025 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree on McGuire, Colon and Chris Sale

I like Cox plenty, but I can see cause for concern. The power looks like it could develop, but when it isn’t present with metal bats it’s a red flag.

The other three just don’t impress me.

by ToddyBaseball on May 28, 2025 7:50 PM EDT reply actions  

cox's power

What do you mean, it isn’t present? The guy had a .292 IsoP last year . . .as a freshman!

by mrkupe on May 28, 2025 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

But

It hasn’t been present since he changed his swing to make more contact. Until he figures out how to blend the two, it ain’t present.

by ToddyBaseball on May 30, 2025 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

If he’s done it he can do it again. You can worry about him blending the two or you can acknowledge that a sophomore was a gifted enough hitter to overhaul his approach and improve his contact and on-base ability because it was best for his team. This whole season was an adjustment for him, and a successful one. My money is on his being able to make the next one and become a complete hitter. That’s one heady kid imo.

by blackoutyears on May 31, 2025 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's certainly not a red flag

You’re acting like he’s a slap hitter, when he obviously isn’t. This time last year the big question was whether or not he could hit for average.

He has good raw power, and he’s shown it before. More than likely, he makes some more adjustments and ends up just fine.

by mrkupe on May 31, 2025 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

for me Brandon Workman - P, Texas

is overrated and he isn’t even slated to go that high in the first place maybe in the upper teens to 20s ?

I think he should be a 2nd or 3rd rounder….

Wow Blackburn makes nearly identical money as Baker does now....

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on May 29, 2025 3:59 AM EDT reply actions  

What don't you like about him?

The only thing that bugs me is the high effort delivery, personally. He’s not an elite talent but I like his high workhorse type floor.

by OremLK on May 29, 2025 4:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Workman

Looks pretty good to me . . .his stuff is very good, and he’s really improved a lot over the last year. If you can buy a guy like Harvey, I can’t see a reason why you wouldn’t buy Workman.

by mrkupe on May 29, 2025 1:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Workman's FB

is a tick behind Harvey’s but he looks good to me. Probably a safer pick than Harvey. I think as first round talents go he’s actually underrated, or even unrated by people focusing on other names. I wouldn’t be surprised if Workman, Wimmers and Wojciechowski (W’s; hmmm) ended up having three of the more productive careers among this year’s college arms.

by blackoutyears on May 31, 2025 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree on G. Brown

I’m also not a fan of AJ Cole.

And I think Yordy Cabrera=Wendell Fairley.

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by Gobroks on May 29, 2025 10:57 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

LeVon Washington

His stock has already fallen, but I don’t he is worth even a 2nd or 3rd round pick….

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