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In The Year 2012….



I suggested this as a new topic for John but I thought we could do it ourselves. Basically I want to take a look into the future and predict what the year 2012 will look like from a baseball perspective.  I picked 2012 because Baseball America has the 2012 predicted lineups and it seems like a good point where our favorite prospects we love talking about will actually be contributing.  Also, I’m an Indians fan so if I could I’d crawl into a cryogenic freeze chamber and wake up in the year 2012 I would.  This isn’t as much statistically based as it is ‘for fun’ but I’d like to get opinions from everyone including stats geeks, team geeks, and player geeks.  I thought it might be fun and informational---plus it’s not a vs./=/</> type post.  So let’s begin…


AL East:  The entire division was close but this year marked the first time that neither Boston nor the NY Yankees raised the division flag.  2011’s surprise Wild Card Winner, The Baltimore Orioles, roared out to a hot start and never looked back winning the division by 4 games over the Boston Red Sox.  Led by three of the most feared hitters in all of baseball (Jones, Wieters, and Markakis) and the best young pitching staff in baseball (Tillman, Arrieta, and Matusz) they held off  Joe Mauer’s Boston Red Sox.  The surprise of the division was the aging NY Yankees, who not only missed the playoffs, but finished just fourth in the division behind Baltimore, Sox, and Toronto.  The 2010 World Series winner, Tampa Rays, regressed all the way back to last place and look to build another core of young players, possibly by trading their star slugger, Evan Longoria after the season.  Hey, they got a ring.

AL Central:  It’s 1995 all over again!  The young and brash Cleveland Indians ran away with the division in 2012.  2011 ROY Carlos Santana is now a bona fide star and along with Matt Laporta, Sizemore, Choo, Weglarz, Brantley, and Asdrubal Cabrera---they formed the AL’s top scoring offense. But it wasn’t all offense as their pitching staff of Justin Masterson, Carlos Carrasco, and All Star Hector Rondon was formidable all year. It got a boost in September from young fire baller Jason Knapp who went to the bullpen and immediately made an impact.  The rest of the division was not even close with Minnesota nearest at 8 games back and KC a game behind them.  Chicago was the most disappointing team finishing in last place in what ended up being Ozzie’s last as White Sox manager.  Beckham and Danks had exceptional years and the offense still clicked but the gutting of the farm system finally caught up to Kenny Williams and their pitching staff couldn’t be pieced together this year.  2011 FA acquisition Brandon Webb pitched in only 15 games before going on the DL and their main reclamation project, Jeremy Bonderman, couldn’t put things together and was eventually released in July.  Detroit’s lone bright spot was sending Rick Porcelllo to the mound every five days as he put together a phenomenal year.  But it was only good enough to finish a game above the last place Sox.

AL West: This is where things get interesting. The division has been dominated by the powerful Texas Rangers the past three years, winning the AL crown in 2011.  But this yea their rival, the Oakland A’s, finally overtook them.  The past few years we’ve been treated to fantastic pitching battles between the Ranger’s Feliz and Holland and the A’s Cahill and Anderson.  The Rangers had the upper hand in previous years but this year the A’s got the final push when 21 year Old, Michel Inoa, stormed on the scene and had a year for the ages.  M.I.K, as he’s became known, mowed through the league and conjured images of Doc Gooden and Fernando Valenzuela wrapped in one.  He got the call to pitch game 163 and promptly shut down the Rangers in a complete game effort to get the win in the play in game.  The surprise of the division was the announcement of Ichiro’s retirement at year’s end.  The first ballot HOFer gathered three hits in his last game including a double in his final at bat.   


AL CY YOUNG: Michel Inoa, OAK
AL MVP: Nick Markakis
AL Manager of the Year: Travis Fryman, Cleveland Indians
AL ROY: Michel Inoa, OAK
AL HR leader: Josh Hamilton, Texas
AL Avg Leader: Joe Mauer, Boston
AL RBI leader: Joe Mauer, Boston
AL SB leader: Michael Brantley, Cleveland
ALCS: Baltimore Orioles vs Cleveland Indians
AL Winner: Baltimore Indians

NL + World Series Predictions to come….



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Evan Longoria will be making 4.5 million dollars in 2012.

And 6 million in 13’. His contract is easily the best contract in baseball and it’s not particularly close. It would take an absolutely absurd haul to trade Longoria and that generally is not going to happen.

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by Tyler on Aug 5, 2025 12:21 PM EDT reply actions

Haha

Come on, it’s purely hypothetical. Besides, in that division, I could see the Rays trying to bring in a new group of spects to replace the core they have now 3-4 years down the road. Do I think it will happen? No but it could.

I enjoyed the read. :)

by jfish26101 on Aug 5, 2025 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions

i think you mean

the worst contract in baseball. well, from the players’ perspective (obviously).

by richieabernathy on Aug 5, 2025 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions

YONA

That is a horrible choice… just throwing that out there. For both of them.

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by JDSussman on Aug 5, 2025 12:29 PM EDT reply actions

interesting

I was enjoying the thread until I read his name once, and to predict him winning two different awards is brutal…

by tuna411 on Aug 5, 2025 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, so.....

at 19 years old, he’ll be ROY and CY winner?

by slickterp on Aug 5, 2025 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions

I love Yona for one reason

He’s such an enigma. If I was to do this more conservative he obviously wouldn’t be the pick to win anything but everyone loves a once-in-a lifetime type talent and year and since this was fantasy he jumped out as a player who would be a story if he pitched well.

by cursedcleveland on Aug 6, 2025 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions

Understand on both counts

I wanted to find a fun, young, live arm that comes out of no where and I was looking for a reason to not like Texas since their system is rated #1 and is favorite to be great for a long time in order to make it a little more fun. I realize the chance of Y(I)ona being a Gooden/Fernando type is slim but it’s fun to think of.

Lonoria is pretty cheap in ‘13 making him valuable on the trade market for a team looking to build their farm system again. That’s what I was looking at.

What are your thoughts? Who’s going to dominate 2012?

by cursedcleveland on Aug 5, 2025 12:32 PM EDT reply actions

The Rays.

I’m sorry, but their’s no way we’re finishing last behind Toronto. Not with all the talent in our farm system. Not to mention B.J., Garza, Shields, Longo, and Zobrist.

We aren’t going away anytime soon(as in the next 5-7 years).

I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!

by RWRays on Aug 5, 2025 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions

Brilliant

Love this. As an O’s fan I’ve got wood.

Also, Inoa is up for good in 2011 and there is no way Hamilton wins the HR title. He’s Aubrey Huff by 2012.

by ADLC on Aug 5, 2025 12:59 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Who wins in 2012?

Smoak? Chris Carter? I could see someone like Lind sneaking up there. Aside from Monreau, The AL doesn’t have any vets like Howard, Fielder, or Hanley that I see being in the HR discussion in 2012. Tex is a possibility but I think A-Rod is on the a steep decline by ’12.

I had the idea watching Markakis, Jones, and Matusz play last night….they’re going to be good.

by cursedcleveland on Aug 5, 2025 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions

Miguel Cabrera

would like you to know he’ll be around for a while yet

by smoooooth on Aug 5, 2025 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions

So would Longoria.

I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!

by RWRays on Aug 5, 2025 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions

My Money

Is on Longoria. I just don’t think Hamilton strings together too many good seasons in that body.
Tex is another possibility. I also expect Fielder to be in the AL at that point.

As for 2012 ROY I would look at this seasons HS class to see who signs. Obviously I’m biased, but Hobgood would look good winning that award.

by ADLC on Aug 5, 2025 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions

Won't Inoa be like 19 in 2011?

Has he even pitched in R ball yet?

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by OldProspects on Aug 5, 2025 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions

Would KC really be third in the AL Central?

I don’t see them getting better than 5th in that division any time soon. They really need to rethink their entire franchise befor being competitive, I think.

by QuinnTheEzkamo on Aug 5, 2025 1:16 PM EDT reply actions

Looking at Chicago and Detroit

i think they really get hurt after next year by aging vets and thin systems. If KC can keep Greinke around and happy then a couple of their top pitching prospects pan out then I like them better than the other two. I also like their young position players better than Chicago and Detroit. It’s not by much but I think they can be respectable. I really see the Tribe running away with the division though…hey it’s my vision of the future ;-)

by cursedcleveland on Aug 5, 2025 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions

you gotta make a choice

You picked the Baltimore Indians to win the AL.

by ozzman99 on Aug 5, 2025 1:29 PM EDT reply actions

Hah

My head said Baltimore, my heart said Indians. It’s the Orioles. Tribe in 2013

by cursedcleveland on Aug 5, 2025 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions

I loved seeing the Baltimore Indians winning the AL

Boldest prediction ever.

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by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 5, 2025 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions

So Inoa (Ynoa..whatever) stormed onto the scene

What about Martin Perez, Matt Purke and Tanner Scheppers for the rangers?

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by Michael Cave on Aug 5, 2025 1:49 PM EDT reply actions

kelly

Casey kelly wins the Cy Young in 2012

by jbg3004 on Aug 5, 2025 2:50 PM EDT reply actions

Kelly

if this is for fun

Casey Kelly even wins the batting title and a gold glove at short to go along with the Cy Young

by jbg3004 on Aug 5, 2025 2:51 PM EDT reply actions

Won't the Matt Holliday and Justin Verlander-led Yankees have something to say about the AL East?

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by PaulThomas on Aug 5, 2025 3:28 PM EDT reply actions

Holliday-led?

Teixeira will still be a better player than Holliday in 2012.

by aap212 on Aug 5, 2025 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions

I know its speculation...

But this is a little fantastical to say the least and absurd to say the most. Less intellectual/ speculative masturbation and more analysis would preferable. I mainly follow the AL, most specifically the AL East, so I won’t attempt to comment on any other division, but to claim that the O’s run away with a league that competitive is simply a pipedream. Yes, they have a large stock of young talent, but you are overlooking the other teams in that division. If anything the O’s will add another layer of competitiveness to what is already the most competitive division in all of sports. The grandeur of the Red Sox has been state ad nausea, and the Yankees will most certainly keep spending money to maintain their competitiveness. The Rays have the most depth, especially in their system, of any team, and the Jays will no doubt get a good package of prospects for Doc.

Assuming that you drew conclusions by assessing which teams had the best farm systems and more specifically which teams had the most top end level prospects (aka the most prospects on the BA top 50 charts), then you are going to miss a lot of what makes a team successful. Successful teams have depth, especially in the bullpen. They have the ability to account for injuries to their star players and enough starting pitching to weather the torn labrums and elbow aliments that tend to occur. The O’s Bullpen is awful. Their pitchers are largely unproven and may not pan out, look at David Price and Phil Hughes, and their leadership is unproven. I do love their core players though, but it takes more than that, its takes a whole team.

Finally, in defense of the Rays, I do not see them as competitors well past the 2012-2013 season largely because of their depth and their team friendly contracts. Take a look at their pitching pipeline and you will see one that rivals the O’s. Moore, Davis, Hellickson, McGee, Barnese, ETC. Desmond Jennings, Ried Brignac, and Tim Beckham are also stashed away and will be ready come the 2012 season. I see no reason for them to implode nor blow up their team.

The next 5 years in the AL East are going to be crazy and exciting though. That is for certain.

by BigBadBossman on Aug 5, 2025 3:35 PM EDT reply actions

*

edit: I DO see the Rays as competitors well past the 2012 season….

by BigBadBossman on Aug 5, 2025 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions

well done

baseball rules.

by doublestix on Aug 5, 2025 4:51 PM EDT reply actions

This is fun

New excercise: Post a projected 2012 lineup and rotation for your favorite team. No FA additions/trades.
Rangers:

SS Andrus .300/.360/.410 ++Defense
3B Young .305/.350/.430 -Defense
1B Smoak .310/.410/.490 Average D
2B Kinsler .275/.350/.500 + D
RF Cruz .270/.340/.515 + D
LF Hamilton .260/.320/.560 +D
DH Davis .260/.320/.525
C Saltalamacchia .265/.330/.420 Average D
CF Borbon .290/.340/.390 + D

Feliz
Holland
Beavan
Scheppers
Perez

Font, Hunter, Kiker, Wilson, Feldman, Poveda, Madrigal in the pen.

There’s a ridiculous amount of guesswork, but It’s fun. Projecting stats for pitchers is too hard; if someone else wants to take a stab at the task, have at it.

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by Conjunction on Aug 5, 2025 5:13 PM EDT reply actions

OK

Here’s my 2012 Rays

Rotation:
Matt Garza
David Price
James Shields
Jeremy Hellickson
Matt Moore

Bullpen:
Closer: J.P. Howell
Set-up: Jake McGee
Set-up: Matt Gorgen
MR: Alex Cobb
MR: Jonahtan Meloan
LOOGY: Josh Satow
LR: Heath Rollins

Starters:
C: Jake Jefferies
1B: Jeff Malm
2B: Ben Zobrist
SS: Reid Brignac
3B: Evan Longoria
LF: Matt Joyce
CF: Desmond Jennings
RF: B.J. Upton
DH: Willy Aybar

Sounds like a 90+ win team to me.

I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!

by RWRays on Aug 5, 2025 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions

Jake Jefferies sucks

Jk. His name is too close to mine. I’m afraid he’ll become famous and then turn into a child molester or something.

by Snake the Jake on Aug 5, 2025 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions

Malm

won’t see a pro pitch in 2009. he’s going to need more than 2 years in all likelihood of minor leagues…

baseball rules.

by doublestix on Aug 6, 2025 5:34 AM EDT up reply actions

Tim Beckham

was the #1 overall pick and a SAL League all star this year…I’d say he played 2B and Zobrist played LF and Joyce DH’d and Aybar was gone…or Aybar DH’d and Joyce was a 4th OF

Grab Some Pine Meat!

by Gobroks on Aug 6, 2025 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions

Nah.

If he’s in the bigs by then(which I doubt), he’ll be at short, meaning Briggy is getting traded.

I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!

by RWRays on Aug 6, 2025 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions

Beckham

will definitely be in the bigs before Malm… he may not be in the bigs by april of 2012 but he should be there in the 2nd half or at least be a sept. call up

Grab Some Pine Meat!

by Gobroks on Aug 6, 2025 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions

Ok, I'll try the A's

C Suzuki .275/.320/.390
1B Wallace .290/.380/.5200
2B Weeks .300/.370/.410
3B Cardenas .320/.380/.410
SS Green .290/.360/.445
OF Cunningham .270/.340/.410
OF Brown .240/.330/.470
OF Desme .230/.310/.440
DH Carter .290/.360/.550

Anderson
Cahill
Gio
Ross
Braden (maybe?)

Bailey, Devine, Demel, Rodriguez, Leon, Marshall.

Ynoa will spend the year at AAA and get a Sept. call-up. That AAA team will also feature Stassi, Leyja, and Dixon.

by ozzman99 on Aug 5, 2025 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions

btw

Obviously, a rose-colored glasses view, because of the rule about no FA’s or trades. Realistically, I don’t see both Brown and Desme on the team, and I doubt Braden will still be there.

by ozzman99 on Aug 5, 2025 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions

Mazzaro over Braden

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by rhymeswithelephant on Aug 8, 2025 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions

2012 Yankees

C-Austin Romine
1B-Mark Teixeira
2B-Robinson Cano
SS-Derek Jeter
3B-Alex Rodriguez
LF/CF/RF-Some combination of Austin Jackson, Brett Gardner, Melky Cabrera, and/or Nick Swisher
DH-Jesus Montero (or maybe Swisher if Montero can play LF or C)

Bench:
C-Francisco Cervelli
IF-Ramiro Pena

SP-CC Sabathia
SP-AJ Burnett
SP-Joba Chamberlain
SP-Phil Hughes
SP-Zach McAllister (other options: Ian Kennedy, George Kontos, Ivan Nova, David Phelps, D.J. Mitchell, Wilkin de la Rosa, Jairo Heredia, amongst others)

CL-Mariano Rivera (Yes, I went there)
RP-Mark Melancon
RP-Alfredo Aceves
RP-Phil Coke
RP-David Robertson
RP-Kanekoa Texeira
LOOGY-Zach Kroenke
(Also for consideration: Anthony Claggett, Mike Dunn, Kevin Whelan,Brad Rulon, Pat Venditte, Jonathan Albaladejo,

http://yankeesmtom.blogspot.com/

by hallofamer2000 on Aug 5, 2025 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions

take off half or more of the prospects

and insert 100M+ free agents

baseball rules.

by doublestix on Aug 6, 2025 5:34 AM EDT up reply actions

Can't really tell if your half joking

But you do realize this is very, very close to the current team? The top 4 in the rotation are on the current team (with the assumption that Hughes is moved back next year or late this year). The top 5 from the bullpen are currently on the team and doing a good job.

I really, really doubt that they sign an expensive catcher just for the sake of it; especially with Jesus Montero, Austin Romine, Francisco Cervelli, and even Kyle Higashioka.

And I don’t see why at least one of those #5 starters won’t pan out - especially McAllister…

http://yankeesmtom.blogspot.com/

by hallofamer2000 on Aug 6, 2025 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions

half joking

baseball rules.

by doublestix on Aug 6, 2025 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions

Mariano

No way. Retires when this contract is up. OR spends like a couple of months on the 2011 season trying to catch Hoffman maybe.

What about Humberto, Schmidt, Norton, Hovis for the pen? They have a lot of good relievers. I think Whelan will be a huge surprise. Zink, Brackman will likely be here. Hilligoss is an average prospect and will be here probably as a bench player. Kanekoa Texeira is really overrated

Cano will be gone and CC will opt out. Hughes might be gone. Aceves might be gone. Dejo might be gone.

SP is where I am real different. Burnett, Joba, Wang, Kontos, Brackman. Phelps won’t be here. de la Rosa to the pen. Heredia is knocked back a little. Maybe Pendleton is an option as another starter. I think Nova will win the WS with the Yankees next year and then leave. Not really sure where to put Mitchell. I think Z-Mac and Betances are traded

by sjkqw on Aug 6, 2025 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions

Could not disagree with any post more

I doubt Mo retires. He is basically still the best closer in baseball.

Humberto stinks and is never healthy. Norton has never done anything. Schmidt and Hovis are junkballers and the odds of them are unlikely. Zink is nothing and Brackman can’t throw a strick. Who really rates Texeira as a great prospect?

Most of your comments make little sense too. Cano is under contract until 2013. Hughes is under contact for like 4-5 years - Aceves longer. Who is Dejo?

Wang is gone after this year most likely. Pendleton is awful. Where will Nova leave to - it’s not like its his option? Based on what are ZMac and Betances traded?

http://yankeesmtom.blogspot.com/

by hallofamer2000 on Aug 6, 2025 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions

+1

Im pretty sure Wang will be non tendered. Maybe they bring him back on a minor league deal. Good chance, really… but then again, who the hell knows what youre gonna get from him and when?

by alskor on Aug 6, 2025 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions

Dejo

Is Jonathan Bocephus Watercloset Credenza Albaladejo.

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by drjayphd on Aug 7, 2025 3:52 AM EDT up reply actions

Theres no way Joe Mauer is going to be a Red Sox or Yankee

With Victor Martinez and Jesus Montero aboard……

My Guess at Twins in 2012

C Joe Mauer
1B Justin Morneau
2B Steven Singleton
SS Steven Tolleson
3B Danny Valencia
LF Ben Revere / Jason Kubel
CF Carlos Gomez
RF Denard Span
DH Danny Rams

Rotation:
Slowey
Baker
Swarzak
Blackburn
Bromberg

Bullpen:

Gutierrez
Burnett
Slama
Steedley
Robertson
Mulvey
Mijares

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Aug 5, 2025 5:43 PM EDT reply actions

Martinez and Montero

Wouldn’t keep either team from pursuing Mauer once he becomes free agent eligible. In 3 years Martinez is likely to be an everyday 1B who could catch in a pinch. He’s about that now at 30, so I can’t see him gearing up too much longer. And not too many people seem to think that Montero is long to be behind the plate either.

That being said, I don’t really see Mauer leaving Minnesota anytime soon. He’s from there, so he might take a slight discount to stay, and they have a new stadium opening up which will increase the Twins revenue (supposedly), so they’ll have some extra room to work with in their budget. Also, he’s pretty much irreplacable, so I don’t see the Twins just letting him walk away without offering him something serious.

by ajake57 on Aug 6, 2025 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions

God forbid

That Tolleson and Singleton are our starting middle infield, scary

by DaTwins on Aug 11, 2025 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions

USA TODAY on Ichiro 5/16/07

The cost for his services will be substantial. Considering how long he plans to play — possibly to 45 — it could be a bargain for a club to sign an international superstar who generates multiple revenue streams.

“I feel the way I did when I was 20,” he says. “I was told my body would change when I hit 30, but it hasn’t. But I am afraid, when I turn 40, of perceptions about me. That’s an artificial standard — don’t consider me the same as everyone else.”

………………………………………………

“Once I turn 40,” he says, “I can become a pitcher. I’m kind of serious about it. But I’ll have to learn to throw a knuckleball. Right now, I could be a ‘normal’ pitcher,” who can top out at 95 mph with a fastball.

by portablestsanzas on Aug 5, 2025 6:08 PM EDT reply actions

2012 Indians:

C: Carlos Santana
1B: Matt LaPorta
2B: Luis Valbuena
SS: Asdrubal Cabrera
3B: Lonnie Chisenhall
LF: Nick Weglarz
CF: Grady Sizemore
RF: Shin-Soo Choo
DH: Travis Hafner

SP: Kelvin De La Cruz
SP: Hector Rondon
SP: Nick Hagadone
SP: Jason Knapp
SP: Carlos Carrasco

RP: Jess Todd
RP: Chris Perez
RP: Conor Graham
RP: Tony Sipp
RP: Bryan Price
RP: Justin Masterson
RP: Scott Barnes

something like that.

by JP_Frost on Aug 5, 2025 6:17 PM EDT reply actions

That rotation is sick

Assuming they all pan out, of course. But seriously…. yikes.

by ajake57 on Aug 6, 2025 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions

every rotation 4 years down the road looks “sick” if they all pan out

baseball rules.

by doublestix on Aug 6, 2025 5:36 AM EDT up reply actions

touche

my personal thought on it was that they don’t have that much too look forward to in the rotation, so when it gets lined up i was just surprised, is all. but yes, good point

by ajake57 on Aug 6, 2025 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions

gotcha

didn’t think of it that way.

baseball rules.

by doublestix on Aug 6, 2025 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions

and that rotation doesn’t even include Alex White, Jeanmar Gomez, Alexander Perez, David Huff or Aaron Laffey. Plus there are some other young guys like Clayton Cook and Trey Haley who might be there.

I agree that this is a perfect world scenario, but still, the depth and talent in the system is crazy.

by JP_Frost on Aug 7, 2025 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions

Fryman

That is why this is my favorite post of the month so far.

by OscarDog on Aug 6, 2025 2:41 AM EDT reply actions

Orioles 2012

C Matt Wieters
1B Brandon Snyder
2B Adrian Cardenas (For Arrieta/Erbe)
SS JJ Hardy
3B Josh Bell
LF Nick Markakis
CF Adam Jones
RF Nolan Reimold
DH Nick Johnson

Bench:
C Caleb Joseph
2B LJ Hoes
OF Xavier Avery

Rotation:
Lackey (Just a guess, but they will sign one money FA)
Chris Tillman
Troy Patton
Brian Matusz
Brad Bergeson

Bullpen:
Chorye Spoone
Tim Bascom
Tyler Yates
David Hernandez
LOOGY: Zach Britton
SU Jim Johnson
CL Kam Mickolio

by ADLC on Aug 6, 2025 8:40 AM EDT reply actions

Xavier Avery is an awesome name

Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)

by CB30 on Aug 6, 2025 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions

Arrieta, Erbe, Hernandez and Britton

Are FAR more likely to be in the rotation than Patton.

by cowboy4eva on Aug 6, 2025 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm guessing he thinks Arrieta is the only pitcher of the big three to not turn out

But given how well he has done in the minors, and his overall status as a prospect, I think it’s safe to assume that Jake would, at the very least, be put in the ’pen for a few years, living off of his former hype.

If Arrieta wasn’t overlooked in this projection, then ADLC must think that Jake completely and totally tanks to the point that he is back in Norfolk/traded after two years.

"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer

by Baltimo on Aug 6, 2025 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions

Actually...

If you look, I am predicting an Arrieta for Cardenas trade. You can’t made a team all about prospects, and with Tillman and Matusz up already that leaves Jake the most likely trade piece in the offseason.

by ADLC on Aug 7, 2025 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions

Eh

I guess that makes sense, but I think trying to predict trades/free agent acquisitions in three years is pretty feeble and impossible.

There will be far more guys on the roster from out of the organization than just Lackey and Cardenas.

"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer

by Baltimo on Aug 7, 2025 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions

Notice..

I also added Yates and Hardy. The whole point of this exercise was to try to picture what you could see the roster look like in the 2012 season, not which prospects make the team by then.

I also expect the Orioles to go hard after a FA 3b this offseason, but for the purposes of this prediction I decided they find a 2 year fill in who is replaced by Bell eventually.

by ADLC on Aug 7, 2025 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions

Red Sox

Of course this is not real and will look nothing like this due to free agency and trade. But the starting rotation and Westmoreland(probably in the outfield due to a trade of Kalish) are definetly possible.

C Louis Exposito
1B Lars Anderson
2B Dustin Pedroia
SS Yamaico Navarro
3B kevn Youkilis
LF Ryan Kalish
CF Jacoby Ellsbury
RF Josh Redick
DH Ryan Westmoreland

Bench:
C Mark Wagner
2B Jose Iglesias
OF Jason Bay

Rotation:
Josh Beckett
John Lester
Casey Kelly
Felix Dubront
Clay Bucholz

Bullpen:
Michael Bowden
Junichi Tazawa
Hunter Jones
Manny Delcarman
Stephen Fife
SU Daniel Bard
CL Jonathan Paplebon

by jbg3004 on Aug 6, 2025 10:42 AM EDT reply actions

Sox Pitching

Just needs one change:

Rotation:
Josh Beckett
John Lester
Casey Kelly
Clay Buchholz
Tim Wakefield

Bullpen:
Michael Bowden
Junichi Tazawa
Hunter Jones
Manny Delcarman
Stephen Fife
SU Daniel Bard
CL Jonathan Paplebon

by seabass on Aug 6, 2025 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions

Wakefield

Will be long gone by then. His injuries the last couples years suggest he is about done. I would be surprised to see him on the Red Sox next year. If so it will be in the bull pen. he is no longer valuable enough to carry another catcher just for him.

by jbg3004 on Aug 6, 2025 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions

Wakefield

makes $4M a year and could pitch until he wants to stop. Throwing knuckleballs puts next to no strain on the body.

by PissedMick on Aug 6, 2025 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions

+1

He’ll at least be around in 2010 (when he figures to reach 200 W, 2000 K - if not before).* I doubt he’ll be in the middle of the rotation, but Wake has a couple of useful and valuable (dollar v. performance-wise) years as a fifth starter left…

I’d say Reddick (LF) - Ellsbury (CF) - Westmoreland (RF), and maybe Rizzo or Kalish at DH.

Concerning the main post, I’d love it if we could get Joe Mauer** but I’m skeptical. Also, no Dice-K in any of the 2012 rotations? Is everyone buying into that “Dice-K is done” line of thinking?
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 * - a case of a long, but average career - but still milestones…

 ** - I don’t see Martinez blocking him since, Martinez’s contract is up in 2011 too. Obviously, he could stay in MIN or go to the NYY or somewhere else, but if he does it won’t be because Boston was attached to V-Mart.

Rock me, sexy Jesus...

by nuthinboutnuthin on Aug 8, 2025 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions

Westmoreland

Probably the best defender of the Kalish-Reddick-Moreland trio.

Absolute gazelle. No way they DH him.

I think Bay is gone-zo, too. No way they pay him what he wants. He’s just not worth near that much. Very good bat, poor glove, streaky, aging. When guys like Abreu can be had for 1 year deals at 6 or whatever - AND with all the near MLB ready elite OF talent the Sox have there is just no way they sign Bay to a JD Drew style deal (which is minimum what he’s looking for. AND we can get two picks by offering him arb and letting him walk! I think the VMart trade was made largely with this in mind - they were going to need to replace his offense somewhere. I could see a one year stopgap (Abreu? Andruw? Maybe Vlad?) combined with Reddick. Ideally, we can then let the stopgap walk after 2010 and collect two more picks. They might also trade for a RF (Corey Hart? Someone like that? I dunno), move Drew to LF and swing it that way. As of now, Im 99% sure Bay is gone, though. More likely they sign Holliday (and has been all year IMHO, despite his struggles). Bay is very good, but limited. If we’re looking to fill a DH, Anthony Rizzo really needs to be in the discussion at 1B/DH.

I also think Papelbon is gone by 2012 and Bard is the Closer. Neither Wagner nor Exposito are great options… I think I might like Lavarnway and/or Fedorowicz better than either.

Guys with good shots to be on 2012 team that werent included: Tazawa, Brock Huntzinger, Alex Wilson, Kyle Weiland, Stolmy…

by alskor on Aug 6, 2025 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions

Westmorland

was plugged in DH because it is a big probably. He has not played an ounce of defense as of yet in the pro’s. I plugged him in DH because we know the other 3 are good defenders for sure. The idea is they would rotate given one off each day and keep them fresh. It is a nice problem to have. The problem with this is he said what would the team look like with out trades or free agency, so that is what i based this on. There is no way this team looks like this in 2012, except i think the rotation has a chance to be exactly this.

Exposito is absolutely looking like he could be an option.

by jbg3004 on Aug 6, 2025 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions

Thought of my dream scenario

Sox let Bay walk - he signs huge, long deal with Yanks. Sox sign Johnny Damon for LF, one year+ an option for high price (again, looks what Abreu and Burell settled for).

I would love for this to happen. Still love JD.

by alskor on Aug 7, 2025 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions

Jason Bay on the bench

wat

Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)

by CB30 on Aug 6, 2025 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions

Braves

C: McCann (unless he’s in LF or something)
1B: Freeman
2B: Big ? Maybe Prado?
3B: Chipper (hopefully the defense isn’t totally gone)
SS: Escobar
LF: Nate McLouth or Cody Johnson
CF: Jordan Schafer
RF: God

SP: Hanson
SP: Jurrjens
SP: Lowe
SP: Spruill
SP: Minor

RP: Kimbrel
RP: Medlen
RP: Hoover
RP: Pruneda
RP: Osuna
RP: Gearrin
RP: Diamond

Q: If on-base pct is so important then why don't they put it on the scoreboard? -Failcoeur

A: Because the Braves don't want to show their fans how bad you suck.

by timmy3 on Aug 7, 2025 5:04 PM EDT reply actions

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