True or False?
True or False?
Tyler Matzek will sign with the Colorado Rockies and not go to college at Oregon
Discuss. If you were the Rockies, how much of an effort would you make to sign Matzek? Would you meet his demands? Play hardball?
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How much higher or how much money is he really going to get??
If he gets hurt his earning ability is gone.
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by Metty5 on
Jun 14, 2025 8:02 AM EDT
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rockies are dumb
they will pay 7 million.. they should offer 4 and tell him to take and or leave it and get a good pick in the next draft (and draft a college kid) who will have the same ETA as the dumb HS kid will.
by novaoakland on
Jun 14, 2025 8:47 AM EDT
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Why are they dumb?
For taking a risk? Or for consistently year over year watching the other teams in the division roll out true number ones (Webb, Peavy, Billingsley, Lincecum) without doing anything about it?
It’s about time the Rockies showed some guts and truly draft the best player available with their first selection. They should start the negotiations at 4m straight up bonus and work towards the middle ground with the major league contract, stressing the changes in the draft that should happen before Matzek is eligible again, as well as all the usual points about getting hurt.
The deal will get done (especially if they keep winning), but it will go right up until the deadline of the 17th.
by Prospector on
Jun 14, 2025 9:25 AM EDT
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+1/2
Kudos to the Rockies for taking the consensus best available player and a lefty with top of the rotation stuff. I agree the Rockies should make a serious attempt to sign Matzek, but they should not offer him a major league contract. Even though he is very polished, he is still a high school pitcher, and speeding up his time table could really hurt his development.
by Birdfan01 on
Jun 14, 2025 10:26 AM EDT
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Maybe I shouldn't consider this,
but Matzek exposed himself as a tool in the brief 2 minute interview after getting drafted. I don’t know how much they put into character evaluation, but it’s going to be a hell of a ride with this kid on Boras’s side.
by Daniel Berlyn on
Jun 14, 2025 12:39 PM EDT
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toolish? no doubt.
…and he was the player with the most upside on the board when the Rockies picked. Unfortunately for them, no good deed goes unpunished. And Boras wants this tool treated as though he was Beckett or Porcello. He absolutely is not. Those kinds of arms don’t come around every year.
by my dixie wrecked on
Jun 14, 2025 7:40 PM EDT
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Monforts
The Monforts, who own the Rockies, have a reputation around Colorado for being cheap. Many Colorado sports fans liken both of them to Donald Sterling of the Clippers. This was certainly a step in the right direction showing their fans they are willing to spend some money.
Rockies fans are still livid the franchise drafted Greg Reynolds with the second overall pick in 2006, passing on Evan Longoria, Tim Lincecum, Max Scherzer, Clayton Kershaw, Brandon Morrow, Andrew Miller.
by sdbaseballfan on
Jun 14, 2025 2:42 PM EDT
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a risk is great
they are dumb if they pay more than 4.5 million (which I believe they will)
by novaoakland on
Jun 15, 2025 6:55 AM EDT
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Why wouldn't he sign?
I think Harrington will wait a bit. After a little bit of hesitation and against the concerns of his agent, Scott Boras, he’ll ultimately decide that it’s best to sign now and not run the risk of injury. He’ll rocket through the minors and eventually end up as the ace of the Colorado Rockies for years to come with his golden arm.
Wait, who are we talking about again?
by mrkupe on
Jun 14, 2025 1:03 PM EDT
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I hope to god that Matzek proves his toolishness
turns down the lowball offer from the Rockies, and then leads the Ducks to a pac-10 championship. Matzek would definitely give me a reason to come out to PK Park once a week next year.
You know things are bad when Bobby Crosby doesn't have the lowest batting average of any starter, yet he's hitting .138. Yes, you're 2009 Oakland Athletics.
by diehardoaklandfan22 on
Jun 14, 2025 2:51 PM EDT
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In other Oregon news...
What are the chances Jake Marisnick and Braxton Lane (3rd and 7th rounders) turn down the money and come to Oregon as well?
You know things are bad when Bobby Crosby doesn't have the lowest batting average of any starter, yet he's hitting .138. Yes, you're 2009 Oakland Athletics.
by diehardoaklandfan22 on
Jun 14, 2025 2:53 PM EDT
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Marisnick is signing with the Blue Jays.
by metafour on
Jun 14, 2025 6:28 PM EDT
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Hard to answer
I don’t think the Rockies are going to offer him “precedent-setting” money. I think they’ll offer him a lot of money although not nearly as much as he wants, and they’ll move a little closer to each other as the deadline nears, but I think the odds of a deal being reached are something like 35-40 percent based on Colorado’s past history. Unless something has happened this year where their scouts are agreed that Matzek is a truly special arm (and frankly, he’s a very nice pitching prospect but let’s not go overboard, nobody thought this kid was Porcello pre-draft) AND ownership is suddenly willing to make a financial investment on that level, that’s not happening.
At the same time, I’m skeptical that he goes to Oregon, at least right away. If he doesn’t sign, I think he’s headed to a community college to refine his stuff and re-enter the draft in 2010. If he plays for a four year college, barring injury I would assume that it will only happen in his third year out of HS. He probably risks too much injury-wise to commit to three years of pitching without a pro contract and signing bonus in the books. Perhaps he will just go to indy ball right out of HS, but that would take the leverage of going to a D1 school off the table and I see no reason why he should do that unless Boras believes that indy ball will give him a better chance to show his stuff.
So my answer is: none of the above. He does not sign with Colorado, but you will not see him play for Oregon next year, either.
by mrkupe on
Jun 14, 2025 3:57 PM EDT
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Insurance policy
I wonder how significant the difference is between a one-year insurance policy (JC route) and three-year (four-year school)?
I can’t imagine the terms of a three-year insurance policy are that good.
by sdbaseballfan on
Jun 14, 2025 4:46 PM EDT
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I'd play hardball
I think the Rockies took a calculated risk with this pick because they had another first-round pick and a supplemental pick. They got Rex Brothers with the supplemental pick, another good LHP prospect. Brothers should be relatively easy to sign. I think that getting Brothers means that they have less of a need to sign Matzek (even though Matzek’s ceiling is much higher), so they should play hardball with the kid and see if they can work out a deal that’s more to their liking.
Under absolutely no circumstances should they give the kid a major league contract. High school players (particularly pitchers) should NEVER get major league contracts. If he doesn’t sign and ends up going to college… so what? The Rockies get Brothers, not quite as good a prospect as Matzek but still a very good LHP prospect, and they get an extra pick in the 2010 draft for their troubles.
by Tom (RFTN) on
Jun 14, 2025 5:20 PM EDT
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In mildly related news
Alex White goes 9 with 1 ER. I really have to question the Indians’ decision here.
by Daniel Berlyn on
Jun 14, 2025 5:33 PM EDT
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Even weirder
If White has any intention of being a major league starter as opposed to a major league reliever, would he even sign with the Indians?
Baseball America reported that the Reds passed on White due to financial reasons . . .the Indians aren’t known for being big spenders in the draft in the first place, and it would surprise me if White is going to drop his asking price when the team that took him wants to make him a reliever (which obviously affects his future earnings potential).
Something very weird is going on here. Did White just not want to go to Cincinnati? Did he suddenly decide midway through the first round that he’s okay with getting paid much less money than he would have been getting had he been taken earlier? Are the Indians really serious about turning White into a reliever, and if they are, is White on board with this? If so, why is he on board with this when there are certainly teams that think he can be a quality major league starting pitcher?
Would anybody be surprised if White doesn’t sign with the Indians and ends up in indy ball next year?
by mrkupe on
Jun 14, 2025 6:45 PM EDT
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Why pitch for the Rockies?
He should Not sign- who wants to be a Rockies pitcher. Even in their minor league system he’ll get killed. That’s no way for a kid to build confidence.
by baseballsteve56 on
Jun 14, 2025 6:57 PM EDT
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confidence be damned
Matzek has the opportunity to maximize his career earned money while getting a lot(if not most) of it upfront. If you’re good enough, you can pitch anywhere and if you really think you’re all that you can become a star just by keeping your ERA under 4 there. If I’m Matzek and I’m with Boras, at least one of us says I’m worth near 10 million. Why would he be afraid?
by Daniel Berlyn on
Jun 14, 2025 8:14 PM EDT
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That shouldn’t be a factor in anyone’s decision. Holding out for more money is one thing, but if players are deciding not to sign simply because they don’t want to play for that particular team, that’s just proof that the MLB draft needs to be reformed.
by Tom (RFTN) on
Jun 14, 2025 11:45 PM EDT
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It isn't that 'team'
It is that ‘park’. How many pitchers have we seen the Rockies develop that have had lengthy careers as respected pitchers? I am talking about guys who get that one HUGE long term contract. Every time I think of Rockies starters I think of guys like Francis, Jennings, Hampton (I know he was a FA signing), Chacon, etc.
If I was a top pitching prospect I would be very wary of going to a situation that would likely hamper my future earning power.
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by King Billy Royal on
Jun 15, 2025 1:47 PM EDT
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All right.
Your examples are flawed. Jennings and Chacon saw their careers fall apart after they left the Rockies. Chacon’s reputation as a clubhouse cancer also hurt him, otherwise somebody would have brought him into camp as an NRI at least.
Francis was pitching hurt for most of 2008 and is now out for all of 2009. His career may be over due to injuries. Hampton has been effective when healthy since leaving the Rockies, though granted he hasn’t been healthy that often. Does Coors Field make pitchers get hurt? Maybe some guys tend to overpitch due to the altitude and that leads to injuries, but other pitchers have pitched at Coors without getting hurt.
Aaron Cook has a career 4.35 ERA despite pitching his entire career with the Rockies. That’s a respectable ERA, especially considering park context. The humidor hasn’t turned Coors into a pitcher’s park, but it’s now more of a hitter’s park on the level of Texas or Arizona rather than being a complete wasteland for pitchers the way it was in the 1990s. I doubt anyone would suggest that a pitcher not sign with the Rangers or the Diamondbacks because of their ballparks.
by Tom (RFTN) on
Jun 16, 2025 7:09 AM EDT
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Matzek will sign
Matzek will sign. As he stated in the Aflac pre-game interview. His family was financially wiped out when his dad was sick with cancer. That interview was just 9 months ago. The rest is just money garnering posturing. He will sign for whatever he is offered.
His post draft interview showed his immaturity. He is with Legacy not Boras and they did not coach him well in the interview catagory.
by SoCalSal on
Jun 14, 2025 8:32 PM EDT
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Maybe.
I don’t think somebody puts the phrase “wants precedent-setting money” out to major league teams and then ends up signing for “whatever he is offered,” but that might just be me. He might not get the exact figure that he wants, but I’m willing to guess that he and his management team have a floor figure that they’ll settle for or else he doesn’t sign, and that said floor figure is probably much higher than slot.
He’s not going to settle for, say, $2M if he thinks he can go to CC/indy ball, pitch 50 innings, and get twice that much the next year. Alternately he could pull a Gerrit Cole and go to college. Trying to pretend this kid doesn’t have leverage is a good way to make sure a deal isn’t completed - he does, and a lot of it. If he doesn’t blow his arm out (and assuming he doesn’t throw 200 pitch simulated games in workouts, he shouldn’t), he’s going to make his money and lots of it, if not this year, then certainly within the next three years.
by mrkupe on
Jun 14, 2025 9:57 PM EDT
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Grape Drank
It might just be me, but it appeared that Matzek was high on “Grape Drank” during that MLB Network interview.
“Grape Drank” is a drug that has been popularized by the wannabe thug chode named Lil’ Wayne, which consists of cough syrup and alcohol.
He looked like he was plucked from the 1996 shooting of Casper.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090609&content_id=5229228&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb
by Frederick0220 on
Jun 14, 2025 10:28 PM EDT
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Nobody refers to Sizzurp as Grape Drank
And it hasn’t been popularized by Lil’ Wayne, rather Houston rappers Michael Watts, Mike Jones, Slim Thug, Paul Wall, etc. Lil’ Wayne is known for alot of things, but Sizzurp isn’t one of them.
me so cool
by Humongo on
Jun 16, 2025 12:23 AM EDT
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Why would he go to Oregon?
Last I checked, their program has been around for all of one season. I laughed when I saw he was committed to Oregon because to me it looked like a pretty obvious tell that he had no intention of going to college.
Maybe Oregon’s program is better than I think.. someone who pays attention to college ball please fill me in.
by JonBBT on
Jun 15, 2025 1:53 AM EDT
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Yes and no
Obviously the program’s only been back for one year, and this year was pretty ugly. But the program is in good hands with George Horton (former head coach at Fullerton) and all that Nike money means excellent facilities.
by Tom (RFTN) on
Jun 15, 2025 7:41 AM EDT
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Good move by Rockies...
I really like this move. Why shouldn’t the Rockies make a run at him? If he is that talented and seems shaky about his commitment to college, then why didn’t someone else above them try? I’d offer him good money, but not near “precedent setting” and if he doesn’t take it, just take the extra pick next year. I’d give it a shot again next year with the protected pick. The compensatory pick for not signing a player was meant to be leverage for the teams—I’m just surprised that so many teams are still afraid to draft these difficult to sign players and play hardball with them.
by DenverBears on
Jun 15, 2025 6:50 AM EDT
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Its simple
Compensatory picks are hard to sell to a fan base. especially one for a team picking in the top half of the draft. Coming out of the draft without any prospect you can sell as “The Future Answer” is very bad business for a bad team.
Hell, it wasn’t until the Orioles locked up MW that anyone had any faith in that management team.
by ADLC on
Jun 15, 2025 11:55 PM EDT
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maybe..
but I think teams get too caught up in PR concerns with the draft. The average fan doesn’t pay any attention to the draft—or even the minor leagues—only what is going on with the big league team. Those that are more educated about the picks are likely to have a better understanding of the compensation system.
I think teams are just being conservative with the new system of compensation. Slowly teams will start using it more. I’d personally go with best player available without a strong commitment to college and offer something reasonable. If more teams did this, I think it could change the power structure of the draft.
by DenverBears on
Jun 16, 2025 7:46 AM EDT
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with 871 votes reported
49.94% yes
50.06% no
can’t get much closer….
by DenverBears on
Jun 15, 2025 2:34 PM EDT
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Yes it can.
It’s dead even now.
by RedSoxFaithful on
Jun 15, 2025 3:56 PM EDT
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