Minor League Ball: An SB Nation Community

Navigation: Jump to content areas:



Sports blogs for fans, by fans.
Around SBN: NBA Playoff scores, schedule and blogging Bar-right-arrows


Apples and Oranges

Apples and Oranges comparison for you today.

If you could have Matt Wieters or Stephen Strasburg for your favorite major league team right now, who would you pick and why?

Poll
Wieters or Strasburg?

  1750 votes | Results

0 recs | Comment 77 comments | Add comment

Story-email Email Printer Print

Comments

Display:

Wieters

Both are obvious tremendous prospects. But the health risk to a pitcher is important, if I am running the team. Wieters has also been amazing at higher levels of competition. Factoring in the Mike Piazza hitting catcher who is Johnny Bench like behind the plate defensively, makes him more rare than a top flight Ace SP. I also am among the believers that Strasburgs pitches in his arm are limited before an injury strikes. If I Was the Nats, I would sign him and use him up for as long as possible before his arm needs TJ surgery or worse.
Its close, but Wieters is my guy.

by Maxima231 on Apr 29, 2025 9:24 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If that’s the theory on Strasburg, I think you have to ask whether the Nats can contend before injury strikes. I think it’s unlikely.

Maybe if you have Strasburg back off to the 95 mph range, he might could be effective and last long enough for them to contend.

by rlwhite on Apr 30, 2025 11:52 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed

Wieters has already dominated minor league pitching and an amazing hitting and good defensive catcher is just as rare as a bonafide no1 SP. Then take into account the fact that Strasburg has yet to throw a professional pitch and already some questions are being raised about potential injuries from his delivery and you have to take Wieters. Obviously any team would be lucky to have either though.

by DeJay on Apr 29, 2025 9:38 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rangers

Being a Rangers fan there is no way I would take a bat, any bat, over Strasburg.

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year

by RangerMad on Apr 29, 2025 9:44 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Same reasoning for me

We got catchers aplenty. There’s more to gain with an elite starter.

Kanye, you want to be the voice of this generation? Get in line! It goes me, Obamagirl, the Freecreditreport.com guys, then It's a tie between you-and Crocs.
-Stephen Colbert

by Conjunction on Apr 29, 2025 10:16 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

same here

as a Twins fan, Mauer will likely stay in Minnesota (no evidence, I just think they’ll pay the hometown boy), Morales has done well during his callup and Wilson Ramos is a great prospect at AA. I’ll take the potential Ace, something Minnesota doesnt’ have much of in its system right now.

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Apr 29, 2025 11:24 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ok, that's stupid.

You don’t pass up a Wieters because you already have catchers. The Rangers have more pitching prospects than catchers, so shouldn’t they pass up Strasburg?

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Apr 29, 2025 3:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Are any of their prospects

better and/or closer to the MLs than Strasburg?

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year

by RangerMad on Apr 29, 2025 6:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Are any of their catchers

better than Wieters?

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Apr 29, 2025 7:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And to be clear

my point is you take the best player. Your draft team makes their list and if Strasburg is higher, you take him. If Wieters is higher on your list you take him. You simply do not ever make a decision like that based on how many catchers you already have. Especially when players of that caliber are available. When I asked “shouldn’t they pass up Strasburg” I was simply pointing out the failed logic.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Apr 29, 2025 7:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

apples vs oranges

How do you accurately compare a C to a P? Weiters could be a top 5 catcher in 5 years. Strasburg could be a top 5 pitcher in 5 years. Which player would have more value to the Rangers? Could the Rangers afford to pass up a top 5 pitcher? That was how I was looking at it.

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year

by RangerMad on Apr 30, 2025 12:27 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's not how a team looks at it.
Which player would have more value to the Rangers?

They ask which player would have more value period. You don’t map out a scenario based on who you have at all. You can’t plan on things going right in your organization enough that you don’t take the guy you think helps you win more ballgames. If the Rangers think Wieters wins more games (in terms of WARP or whatever metric they use) than Strasburg, then his position doesn’t matter at all.

by Andy Seiler on Apr 30, 2025 4:05 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Twins again though

Mauer is arguably the best catcher in the game right now. I don’t care how Weiters has looked and how highly touted he is, until he gets to the majors and proves it you can’t say he’ll be the best or even top 5.

That being said, I still don’t think Wieters makes sense for the Twins however what makes sense is your value. A AAA guy who’s basically major league ready would be an amazing trade chip for any team over a possible Ace that hasn’t even played pro ball yet. I took Strasburg but with this logic I agree with your points.

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Apr 30, 2025 11:32 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Intuitively

A top 5 pitcher is more valuable than a top-5 catcher because every team needs (at least) 5 starting pitchers.

TheSouthWing.com - A Magazine of essays, prose and poems

by OldProspects on Apr 30, 2025 10:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's a long jump to say Strasburg is a top 5 pitcher though.

Contrary to what everyone believes. Wieters is much more likely to be a top 5 catcher. Much much much much more likely.

by Andy Seiler on Apr 30, 2025 10:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

and that’s even giving Strasburg some of the best odds Id ever give any amateur pitching prospect of doing it.

If you actually had to lay money on the line, I think youd have to bet on Wieters.

Now, an interesting question would be if Strasburg was in A ball and Wieters was dominating college… what then? Pretty close…

by alskor on Apr 30, 2025 11:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Red Sox

I’d opt for Wieters for my favorite team, the Boston Red Sox. Catcher is clearly a position of need and Wieters would solve that problem if he’s even close to as good as advertised.

by mentalpowers on Apr 29, 2025 9:57 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wieters

For almost any team. The elite bat, especially at C, is better than the phenomenal pitcher especially considering the questions about the pitcher’s mechanics.

by demondeaconsbaseball on Apr 29, 2025 10:37 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

easy

Attrition rates too high for pitchers compared to position players.

by erik on Apr 29, 2025 10:49 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

re: Wieters slight edge

Though one cannot have enough pitching, specially “elite” prospect types… Wieters seems more of a “sure” thing. Potentially great hitting catchers are a rare thing indeed, and his defense isn’t awful right?

I’d pick Wieters, just due to the rarity of the position.

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on Apr 29, 2025 10:54 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed

what the the most likely scenario for Strassburg? Judging by most other pitchers he will get hurt and be useless by the age of 30….

Weiters will still be a stud at 1B long after he cant handle the grind of catching anymore.

by jsmall404 on Apr 29, 2025 11:13 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

White Sox

I have faith in Flowers and we have two starters right now in the rotation who should have retired a couple years ago. The offense will be there, the rotation has a couple huge question marks though. Strasburg could potentially make them a contender for the next decade.

by rutgersjpm on Apr 29, 2025 11:17 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Strasburg

Perhaps its a Matt Wieters backlash for me. I love the kid as a player. I drafted him early on when he was at GT but, Mike Piazza bat with Johnny Bench defense??? - fucking get real folks! or don’t, but that is crazy.

Ill take Strasburg because I don’t need to see him throw his “first professional pitch” to see he is a great talent. I think he has a higher upside than Wieters myself and by “upside” I meen that I think he will be a better major league player ,not that he has a 3% chance of being better or something. He does have a greater chance to get injured - in theory - but then again, we dont really know anybody’s chances of getting injured do we? I dont at least.

by casejud on Apr 29, 2025 11:53 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I almost agree with every word of this

I am growing tired of the Wieter-gasms that are taking place everywhere. People just need to calm down before that anoint him as the greatest catcher to play the game. I am reminded of a ridiculous article I saw about Delmon Young a few years ago. Someone wrote that he had Manny’s bat with Ichiro’s speed and arm - and predicted a peak line of something like .330BA, 50HR, 150RBI. Granted its another apples to oranges comparison - but the point is that AA pitching is different than MLB pitching.

Also for all the folks picking Wieters based on the possibility of injury - should probably consider the tall catcher thing. I can’t remember the stat exactly…just 11 catchers that were 6’4 or taller have ever reached 2000AB? Not saying I necessarily believe in it but it does make some sense.

by Dfarth on Apr 29, 2025 5:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Really...

I dont think anyone here will argue Wieters ceiling is Piazza at the plate with Bench’s defensive skill…
Anyone want to argue that? I dont think to many will.. Thats his peak. And its possibly amazing. Lets see Strasburg do something against pros AND avoid the injury bug that all pitchers must avoid… Advantage Wieters.

by Maxima231 on Apr 29, 2025 6:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Giants

I’d rather have Posey and Strasburg than Posey and Wieters, even if Wieters is a bit better than Posey. Having 2 upcoming soon to be elite catchers would be a nice problem to have, but still.

Bonds stands alone.

Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants

by nostocksjustbonds on Apr 29, 2025 12:24 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

even if Wieters is a bit better than Posey

That’s the understatement of the year.

by alskor on Apr 29, 2025 1:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why?

Posey was better in College, just as high of a pick, and is tearing it up in a similar situation as wieters last year.

Aside from the “Wieters is Jesus” love for him here and elseware, I don’t think its an understatement at all.

Unless of course you want to give Wieters all the credit for playing well at AA last season and show no vision and not assume than Posey will have similar sucess - he will

by casejud on Apr 29, 2025 2:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I started to type out a negative response...

but after reconsidering, I think youre half-right. Ive been underrating Posey quite a bit.

I still think Wieters is a significantly better prospect, however.

by alskor on Apr 29, 2025 4:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A few years back

I picked Prior over Mauer. Aint doin’ it again.

by slurve on Apr 29, 2025 1:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wieters

Because 20-year-old pitchers scare me.

If my team already has a catcher, I trade somebody for pitching.

by thejd44 on Apr 29, 2025 1:35 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No doubt about it

Wieters. He’s a certified stud who’s almost big league ready. Plus, he offers awesome offense at a position that has the most no-hit guys. Strasburg should be good, but the injury risk inherant in pitching makes him a much less sure thing.
Unless you’ve got Joe Mauer or Brian McCann, I don’t see how a team wouldn’t be better off with Wieters.
Strasburg might end up having the better career, but I’d put my money on Wieters.

by joltinjoe on Apr 29, 2025 3:17 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Callis

Callis had a question in a recent mailbag (can’t link because I take the magazine, not the online) wherein he was asked a similar question, about where Strasburg would rank in the top 100 if he were eligible. He put him right behind Price and Wieters, citing proximity to the big leagues (and, in Price’s case, playoff experience). I’d be inclined to agree with him.

What was more shocking in that same column, was that he said Bryce Harper, were he eligible, would slot in at #4 (!) behind Strasburg. As a high school sophomore?!

by D O on Apr 29, 2025 3:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

5 years for Stasburg, 10 for Wieters

before injury strikes. I’ll take the 5 extra years before Matt breaks down.

Even if Strasburg doesn’t, after 6 years, he goes FA and puts Sabathia’s contract to shame.

by VladiHondo on Apr 29, 2025 3:45 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wieters

There is NO team in baseball that should take Strasburg over the best bat in the minors (that also happens to be a catcher).

I also find it funny that some people are saying that this whole “Wieters is Jesus” thing is getting overplayed, yet no mention of “Strasburg is Jesus” is getting overplayed? The kid has faced far inferior talent in college than a lot of other good pitching prospects. I recognize that his stuff is tremendous, but at this point it is MUCH more of a stretch to call Strasburg a future All-Star than it is Wieters a future All-Star. He’s further from the bigs, a pitcher, and we really don’t know how good he will be against AA talent even. Sure, we can make a leap of faith, but to me Strasburg is way more over-hyped than Wieters at this point.

by guru4u on Apr 29, 2025 4:56 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

-1

For an even 0.

Please point out the posts where people slobber all over Strasburg as much as Wieters. In particular, I want you to point out the posts where somebody takes the best parts of two HOF players and combines them into Strasburg. I’ll be waiting. It’s been said approximately 1,824,256 times here that Wieters will be Piazza offensively and Bench defensively. I’ve yet seen anyone say Steven will have Nolan Ryan’s fastball and Steve Carlton’s slider or Sandy Koufax’s curveball or something similarly stupid. Also saying you don’t know how good Strasburg will be against AA competition and assuming Wieters will destroy MLB pitching is the height of hypocrisy.

I reject your reality and substitute my own.

by WayneCampbell08 on Apr 29, 2025 7:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What?

You want the references to the best college pitching prospect EVER? Better prospect than Prior was coming out of college? The fact that he’d be #1 or #2 on a lot of people’s top 100 going into this year had he be eligible?

The craze is ridiculous for Strasburg. Granted, a lot of it is warranted, but noone can sit here and say Wieters is overhyped while Strasburg is not.

by guru4u on Apr 30, 2025 8:42 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

-1

Which multiplies out to 1.

I don’t care who is compared to whom. The far-and-away best hitting prospect in baseball is nearly always worth more than the far-and-away best pitching prospect in baseball. Especially when the hitting prospect has already dominated in pro experience and is closer to the Major Leagues. ESPECIALLY when the hitting prospect is a catcher or a shortstop.

Also saying you don’t know how good Strasburg will be against AA competition and assuming Wieters will destroy MLB pitching is the height of hypocrisy.

This is a ridiculous statement. He says nothing that implies he is ASSUMING Wieters will destroy MLB pitching. He is merely saying they are both super-prospects. Neither has hit a roadblock yet. But Strasburg has more potential roadblocks still to get past.

Also, among the quotes from THIS site:

“Looks like AJ Burnett to me… except with command that’s absurdly good.”

“Honestly, he reminded me of Big Unit”

“Santana and Webb come to mind right away.”

“I think he will be very good, maybe even Lincecum good”

There were some less direct comps to Maddux tossed in as well.

So he is going to be a wild strikeout machine with none of the walks, a freakishly tall late-blooming even BIGGER strikeout machine and future HOFer, a combination of an undersized best-of-a-generation fastball-changeup artist and a perennial Cy-Young-caliber extreme sinkerballer, and possibly even as good as Saint Lincecum. But you’re right… nothing about Ryan, Carlton, or Koufax… on this site.

Anyways, with Wieters scuffling through 45 ABs at AAA, I’d downgrade his comps to Johnny bench’s bat with Mike Piazza’s defense.

Ichiro, on facing Daisuke Matsuzaka for the first time: "I hope he arouses the fire that's dormant in the innermost recesses of my soul."

by DaleCoop14 on Apr 30, 2025 8:57 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hahaha

“with Wieters scuffling through 45 ABs at AAA, I’d downgrade his comps to Johnny bench’s bat with Mike Piazza’s defense.”

Now that’s some funny sarcasm!

by joltinjoe on Apr 30, 2025 12:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

Back up to +1!

I also think the Strasburg slobberfest has been ridiculous around here… There was pretty much a new Strasburg love thread every day all winter. It was out of control. Im beginning to think he might deserve it, but the hype was ridiculous around here, and premature even if it turns out deserved.

I do agree the Piazza/Bench comparison for Wieters is absurd though. You dont give comps that entail “half best offensive player at his position ever/half best defensive player at his position ever.” That’s just ridiculous. Since when is Wieters supposed to be the greatest defensive catcher of all time? Bull. He’s good behind the plate, but its not like his glove is better than other catchers relative to his bat is better than other catchers. Its unlikely he’ll be the best defensive catcher in the league! Nevermind EVER. Where did this stuff come from?

by alskor on Apr 29, 2025 7:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

- 1

Best bat in the minors?

Ks are up, SLG/XBH are down, AVG way down. I’m sure he’ll turn it around but he’s not Mike Piazza.

by FanBall on Apr 30, 2025 4:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yup, you are right

After 3 weeks, I am ready to write him off. David Price too. They both suck.

by guru4u on Apr 30, 2025 10:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Strasburg

The Phillies could literally use help at both positions. However as much as I love Wieters, I probably would lean towards Strasburg.

Our rotation has not been healthy this year, and there really is not depth in our rotation. Strasburg and Hamels would give us an amazing 1-2 punch in the rotation. If you couple them with our offense it should carry us back to the Series if not the championship.

Slowey is a control freak, and I like it!!

by melonhead202 on Apr 29, 2025 5:32 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Same

Angels could use Wieters, but with Ortega in the mix I’ll be taking Strasburg.

Plus, I have faith (perhaps too much) in Mike Napoli. I’d really like him to get a full year of playing time - I think he could be a solid catcher with his walk rate and homer potential.

all about the angels~ phil2007.blogspot.com

by Philliam on Apr 30, 2025 2:11 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Baseball

is not a sport where draft based on need as the outcome horizon for player development is years away, where in other sports you draft based on a much closer time frame. In baseball you take the best available/affordable

by slurve on Apr 30, 2025 8:45 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Drafting for need V.S. Drafting for talent

I agree with not drafting one lesser prospect over an much more talented prospect just because you have a need at the position the lesser prospect plays. However, in this case I would argue that both prospects are equal talent wise.

Wieters in a stud catching prospect.
Strasburg is a stud pitching prospect.

It is personal preference as to which one you take, but for me the clear choice for the Philles is Strasburg. Pairing him with Hamels would have me seeing shadows of the Arizona Johnson and Schilling pairing that won them the series.

I am not saying Strasburg will be as good as either but he has the potential to be.

Slowey is a control freak, and I like it!!

by melonhead202 on Apr 30, 2025 6:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A's fan here

I think Suzuki is very underrated and I think he’s the best position prospect the A’s have developed in years. That being said I would take Wieters in a second over Strasburg since he’s closer to the bigs, less injury risk and a more complete impact player.

I think Wieters would make a decent league average or above DH in a year or two and he plays catcher with good defensive scouting reports. Pitchers are much less predictable as well as injury prone. Certain pitches seem to fool guys in the low minors (let alone college) that are more or less useless in the big leagues.

RIVER CATS: AAA CHAMPS!

by niallmack on Apr 30, 2025 3:12 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think

I wouldn’t I’d characterize Strasburg’s pitches as simply being able to “fool guys in the low minors (let alone college) and useless in the big leagues”. From what I’ve seen/heard/read - his stuff his not only major league ready - it’s very good compared to other major league pitches.

by slurve on Apr 30, 2025 8:43 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Stuff

Homer Bailey and Philip Hughes are two guys with awesome stuff that have struggled so far in the big leagues. My point was that pitchers are less predictable. Two guys with similar stuff can be two very different pitchers once they reach MLB and any league they dominate doesn’t give a full picture.

RIVER CATS: AAA CHAMPS!

by niallmack on Apr 30, 2025 6:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Twins Fan

So Strasburg is the easy pick

Visit my D2 Baseball Blog - Northern Sun Baseball

by FishingMN on Apr 30, 2025 10:59 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rockies

For my particular team, probably Strasburg. In general, though, I’d lean toward a catcher with some pro at bats under his belt vs. a pitcher with no pro experience. That’s not a knock on Strasburg; it’s just that pitchers can get messed up so easily (most often by injuries).

Reviews of some great baseball sites and other cool stuff on my blog @ The Casual Observer

by kosmo99 on Apr 30, 2025 11:13 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gotta go with Wieters.

McCann needs to move to first so he can stay in the lineup everyday anyways.

Tommy Hanson 4 ROY

by timmy3 on Apr 30, 2025 1:56 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I, for one, am amazed at how polarized this discussion is...

I think every post should be qualified with “but either guy is a great choice and a special talent… you really cant go wrong.”

by alskor on Apr 30, 2025 6:35 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Strasburg - Follow the $$$$$

Matt Wieters has an extra 1/2 year of minor league experience. Great last year. Not quite yet in tiny sample at AAA.

Wieters signed for a ~ $6M bonus.

Wieters was picked behind David Price.

Strasburg by most accounts is a better prospect than Price.

Strasburg will likely command a bonus or guaranteed cash of at least $15M

Cash doled out by real Major League teams is a better proxy for true value than most comments on this site (or any site).

Yes, pitchers have higher injury risk, but that is already factored into bonus payments and draft status as MLB teams know this.

Johan Santana is worth more as Free Agent than Joe Mauer. (i.e., an Ace SP is worth more than the game’s best catcher — pitching is more valuable to real MLB teams).

Wieters is likely the exception, but catching prospects frequently underachieve with the bat at the MLB level.

So the above all says that 30 out of 30 teams draft Strasburg out of college over Wieters out of college (assuming that they were the same age). Does Wieters 1/2 season of terrific results at A+/AA really change the minds of 16 MLB teams? NO

Fat man is no more,
Bursting on through Heaven's Door
Come on in, says Bill

by Wilbur Wood on Apr 30, 2025 7:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mauer was worth more last year.

Just for reference, he was worth more in terms of WARP than Santana.

by Andy Seiler on Apr 30, 2025 7:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well their real MLB value is based upon what teams would bid for them as FA’s and not WARP.

Santana is worth quite a bit more than Mauer, even before the significant injury discount that Mauer carries

Fat man is no more,
Bursting on through Heaven's Door
Come on in, says Bill

by Wilbur Wood on May 1, 2025 5:55 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Value is value.

Just because a number of teams would pay more for a player doesn’t mean he gives a team more wins on the field.

by Andy Seiler on May 1, 2025 12:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmm...

I seem to remember Joe Mauer being less expensive than Prior, which was a large factor to the Twins passing on him. Arms are risky, especially when you’re talking 50 mil for a player who has not thrown a professional pitch. I really think you’d have a pretty even split between MLB teams. Weiters has a good chance of being as good or better than Piazza. Saying 30/30 teams take Strasburg over Weiters is a wildly ridiculous assertion IMO.

by slurve on Apr 30, 2025 8:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It is not a wild assertion. I stated when they were both coming out of school, 30 of 30 teams take Strasburg. Wieters is now 2+ years older, I was simply trying to make an apples to apples comparison.

I am making the point that not enough has changed to have teams raise Wieters above Strasburg based upon his pro experience.when 30 of 30 would have preferred Stras vs Wieters when each came out of college.

Fat man is no more,
Bursting on through Heaven's Door
Come on in, says Bill

by Wilbur Wood on May 1, 2025 5:53 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't understand

where you’re getting this stat that 30 of 30 teams prefer Strasburg. Was that published somewhere? Judging by what you’re saying, you’re basing it on the list of factors you laid out - which I will again point to Mauer being taken over Prior as evidence that it would not hold true across the board for all 30 teams. Balancing risk and money is not viewed the same by every front office.

by slurve on May 1, 2025 8:31 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not enough has changed?

Man, you really must not think a whole lot of what Wieters did last year. Wieters transitioned from college to the pros without really any loss of production. And we’re not even talking about rookie ball or low A, he performed amazingly against some of the toughest competition outside of the bigs (well, in American baseball, anyway). Strasburg is a great prospect, but seriously, don’t we need to see what he’ll do against hitters better than those he’s faced before we’re sure he’s the best pitching prospect ever? There are several pitching prospects in the minors right now who I would choose over Strasburg at the moment, you just don’t know with him.

by whonichol on May 1, 2025 9:00 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Disagree....
Strasburg by most accounts is a better prospect than Price.

Jim Callis, one of the “experts” disagrees with this statement. I do too. Strasburg has put up slightly better numbers against weaker competition in college. His raw stuff is a tick better than Price’s, but at the same time Price has succeeded in the bigs already.. in the playoffs no less. He’s also a lefty.

by guru4u on May 1, 2025 5:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He’s also a lefty.

I’m still trying to figure out why this matters at all. That’s like putting two guys that put up identical numbers next to each other and saying you want the lefty simply because he’s left-handed…strange.

by Andy Seiler on May 1, 2025 10:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not so much

A really good left hander is hard to come by. The Dodgers exploited this last year in the playoffs against the Cubs. Why do you think LH relievers are so important, let alone starters?

by slurve on May 2, 2025 10:35 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It doesn't matter much with starters at all.

The ability to bring in a lefty against a lefty hitter than has platoon struggles is valuable. However, you can plan a lineup around facing a lefty starter quite easily. Players are normally not that good can seem quite good against lefty starters (Matt Diaz, etc.).

by Andy Seiler on May 2, 2025 8:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Obviously

there is something to it. Teams give LH pitching prospects a lot more leeway and they are definitely a sought after commodity.

Players are normally not that good can seem quite good against lefty starters (Matt Diaz, etc.).

The same holds true the opposite way - there are players that don’t hit as well against lefties. I don’t see your point.

by slurve on May 4, 2025 6:32 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My point is that, since it goes both ways, there really is no difference.

Lefty starters aren’t magically better. Good ones are very hard to find. Teams give too much leeway, as handedness matters much more than how pitchers get hitters out.

by Andy Seiler on May 4, 2025 1:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bottom line:

Give a lefty and righty the exact same stuff, mound presence, command and control, and the lefty will have more success. Why? Because it is MUCH more rare to see a lefty throw 95 than it is a righty to throw 95. Batters just aren’t as used to seeing it. Plus, from a platoon scenario, the lefty/lefty matchup is WAY more favorable to the pitcher than the righty/righty matchup.

by guru4u on May 4, 2025 2:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I never did understand

the lefty v. lefty thing being a left handed hitter myself. Most left handed batters are confounded by a LHP, I never had a higher degree of difficulty compared to RHPs, even as I got into my late teens and they started throwing pretty hard.

by slurve on May 4, 2025 5:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs


User Tools

Minor League Ball: Where the Future of Baseball is Discussed
Start posting on Minor League Ball »

Join SB Nation and dive into communities focused on all your favorite teams.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Background_small
Draft Preview - Detroit Tigers
Background_small
2009 Amateur Draft Mock #4 Round One
Background_small
Draft Preview - Los Angeles Dodgers
Background_small
2009 Amateur Draft Mock #3 Second Round
Background_small
2009 Amateur Draft Mock #3 Supplemental

Recent FanPosts

Small
Who is Tim Collins?
Small
5/5 MILB Thread
Small
Buchholz
Background_small
Community Mock Draft: Pick 1-4
Small
Plate Discipine...
Small
5/4 MILB Thread
Small
Insight into my Minor League Squad
Small
Greg Golson called up

Post_icon New FanPost All FanPosts Carrot-mini


Managers

Carew_small John Sickels


Site Meter