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I am making good progress on the Blue Jays, and barring disaster should have them done Monday. Somehow I had completely missed the fact that Scott Richmond snuck into the majors this year. He's too old to be a genuine prospect, but I'm sticking him the book anyway for personal reasons: I shadow-drafted him in 2005 out of Oklahoma State. He didn't get drafted in real life, went to indy ball, and ended up making the majors this year anyway. I'm glad to see that. My favorite part of the whole Shadow Draft exercise is about picking out sleepers and obscure guys ahead of time, and when it works that way I'm very pleased.

Anyway, the next team after the Jays is the Milwaukee Brewers. Use this thread to discuss Brewers prospects.

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My Top 10

1. Mat Gamel 3B/1B/RF/LF B+
2. Alcides Escobar SS B+
3. Angel Salome C B
4. Jeremy Jeffress RHSP B-
5. Brett Lawrie C/3B/OF B-
6. Jonathan Lucroy C B-
7. Jake Odorizzi RHSP B-
8. Caleb Gindl OF B-
9. Lorenzo Cain OF B-
10. Taylor Green C+

by byronlhsdrmr on Dec 8, 2025 12:47 AM EST reply reply   0 recs

Mostly concur

and I like Taylor Green a lot more than some others. Odorizzi hasn’t done much to justify a B-, but I do like Gindl. Jeffress maybe a B? I think mine would be:

1. Gamel B+
2. Escobar B+
3. Salome B
4. Jeffress B (strong numbers in high A)
5. Lucroy B-
6. Gindl B-
7. Green B-
8. Lawrie B-
9. Odrizzi C+
10. Cain/Gillespie C+

Other fringe C+ types: Zach Braddock, Shawn Zarraga, Blakeney Billings, Bobby Bramhall, Roque Mercede, maybe Cutter Dykstra

On another note, I wish someone would deal for Gillespie. He should be a nice 4th OF at least somewhere, but he doesn’t seem to have much hope for a job in Milwaukee.

Overall, pretty strong system, no superstars but a lot of guys who seem like major league regulars. Probably somewhere between 10-15 overall? Losing LaPorta and Brantley hurt.

by OccamsRazor on Dec 8, 2025 1:34 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

My Top 10 Brewz

1. Mat Gamel 3B A- : He was the hottest hitter in the minors before his elbow bursitis.
2. Alcides Escobar SS A- : The best defensive shortstop in the minors, and he proved he can hit and run with the best at his position.
3. Jeremy Jeffress RHP B+ : Arguably the hardest thrower in the minors.
4. Angel Salome C B : Might be B+. Some see his stature as a curse, but a 5’7" strike zone is nothing to sneeze at..
5. Jonathan Lucroy C B : Good bat, average defense. Russell Martin-type.
6. Brett Lawrie C B : Russell Martin, himself….on steroids. Position is only thing holding him back.
7. Taylor Green 3B B/B- : Could play second, but only if Gamel sticks at 3B.
8. Lorenzo Cain CF B- : Passed the AA test. Finally taking his tools out of his tool box and putting them to work.
9. Jake Odorizzi RHP B-/C+ : Based on projection, but a true bulldog on the mound.
10. Cole Gillespie LF C+ : Jason Bay-lite.

by ILuvDaBush on Dec 8, 2025 12:28 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

catcher?

who is the Brewers’ catcher of the future? they have salome, who has done nothing but rake his entire minor-league career. ….but i imagine he looks like a bowling ball. i don’t recall too many bowling balls who’ve ever been above-average catchers in the majors……i’m trying to get a comp here and i keep going back to tom pagnozzi…? and then they have jonathan lucroy, a guy taken very high (3rd round of ’07 draft) who also knows how to hit. and then to top all of that off, they take a high school catcher in the ’08 draft.

by psugator on Dec 8, 2025 8:12 AM EST reply reply   0 recs

in addition....

they also have Zarraga, Palmisano (ML-backup potentially) and Eric Fryer, who fared very well at Low A West Virginia.

For an organization that as little as 3 years ago had NO catching prospects, these guys are starting to look like Texas Rangers Lite.

by mjwelch11 on Dec 8, 2025 9:44 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Ivan Rodriguez has always had a bowling ball build. I-Rod and Salome have similar builds.

by jwaltz on Dec 8, 2025 12:17 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I think that.

IRod was pudgy. But he was never a bowling ball. Funny stuff: I actually read something on this site a few months ago saying that if Salome couldn’t stick at catcher that he had such a good bat that the Brewers could move him to second base. I thought that was hilarious.

by psugator on Dec 8, 2025 12:51 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

Angel Salome

The Ivan Rodrqiuez comparisons are valid. In fact, his teammates nicknamed Salome “Pocket Pudge”.

"In 1962 I was named Minor League Player of the Year. It was my second season in the Bigs." - Mr. Baseball, Bob Uecker

by prince of power on Dec 8, 2025 1:36 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

hey prince

who do you see as being the brewers’ catcher in 2012? do you have confidence that salome will stick as a starter? Is lucroy a starting catcher or a backup?

by psugator on Dec 8, 2025 2:12 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

Its tough to say who the Brewers catcher will be in 2012.

Our three current (real) possibilities are Salome, Lucroy, and Lawrie. Of those three, only Salome has played at AA, obviously performing very well. However, he also has had past issues in the form of a suspension for illegal substances. His main issue, of course, is and will be defense. He is a great pure hitter, probably the best out of this group of catchers though he has a very strange batting stance.

Lucroy had a great year splitting time between A and A+ ball. His BABIP was pretty high, and may have contributed to that, though his OBP in A was .391 and in A+ was .364—pretty good. He was already 22 last year, but is moving up rapidly.

I don’t know much about Lawrie except that he was a highly regarded prospect when he was the last first round draft pick by draft guru Jack Zduriencik. He is a developing player who has not had very much experience behind the dish. He has publicly stated that he wants to reach the majors within two years, however, and seems to have the bat to do so.

Any of these players could concievably switch positions, with Salome being stuck at catcher more than the others due to stature.

Salome will probably be given the opportunity to catch in 2010, after the departure of incumbent Jason Kendall. After that, it depends on how well he performs, and how well the others perform, and who switches positions or is traded.

I think that if he stays on course, Salome will be given every opportunity to be given the starters job. The Brewers have never shied away from big bat, little defense guys before. (see Braun, Fielder, Weeks, Gamel, etc…)

Obviously Lucroy hasn’t played at more advanced levels, and isn’t the jump from A to AA supposed to be the most challenging? I think we will know more about him after this upcoming year, though I would venture to guess, at the rate he is going, that he will be a capable starting catcher somewhere.

Hope that helps with Brewers catching questions. Sorry about the length.

Eric Gagne DL time: May 23-June 29 Brewers record in that span: 20-9

by NoahJ on Dec 8, 2025 8:56 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

brewers catchers

I think and hope Brett Lawrie will be the Brewers catcher in 2012. Apparently, Lawire told the Brewers before they drafted him that he really wants to try to stay at catcher as a professinal. According to Brewers Assistant GM Gord Ash, the Brewers plan on grants him that request.

However, I think Salome will get the first chance to stick as a regular after Kendall leaves. I would guess that Salome will do well with the bat, but have trouble being a MLB catcher defensively. I predict he will become more of a 2nd string catcher and bat off the bench.

I think will get the next chance and I think he could stick as a MLB regular. I like his plate disipline and defensive potential. I predict he continues a steady development in the minors and eventually passes Salome if he stays in the system.

Also, don’t forget about one-time “prospect” Lou Palmisano, who has battled injuries and should be the starting catcher at AAA Nashville to start 2009. I could see him breaking through with the bat and getting a chance to back up Kendall for the Brew Crew latter in 2009.

"In 1962 I was named Minor League Player of the Year. It was my second season in the Bigs." - Mr. Baseball, Bob Uecker

by prince of power on Dec 9, 2025 1:32 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

the brewers next waves

Personally, I got really excited for the future of the franchise the very second the Brewers drafted Prince Fielder.

I think the first “wave” of talent that got everybody excited was the one that included Fielder, Hardy & Weeks.
I think the fact that the next wave that produced Braun and Gallardo is really what made them contenders.

However, the Brewers got very “lucky” in my opinion, b/c Braun and Gallardo are “once-in-a-generation” type players. I think they will remain the two core players for the franchise, while many of the first wave will be traded at some point.

I do feel that because of the great success of high (1st-2nd round) draft picks (Fielder, Weeks, Hardy, Braun, Gallardo, etc), as a whole, baseball fans are overrating the current wave of prospects. I don’t feel we have any players in the current wave of players that will be superstars, and few that will be MLB starters.

Here’s my humble opionion and “gut” feel on how these next WAVES OF TALENT will pan out:

Current Wave: (2008-2009 MLB action)

3B Mat Gamel- I think he is a bit overrated right now. I think he could become a solid regular if he stays at 3B and improves his defense. I think his average MLB season will be around .290, 15 hrs, 90 rbi. .360 OBP

SS Alcides Escobar- I think he is vastly overrated right now. I think he will be a fringe regular, but only b/c of his great defense. Despite his 2008 success, I’m not sold on his bat. I project a season of .260, 5 hr, 60 rbi, 20 sb. .300 OBP (yuck!)

C Angel Salome- I like his bat, but I’m concerned with his size. I think he will become a 2nd string type catcher. However, he doesn’t have the defensive catching skills to be in the majors for a long career. If he gets a chance to start, I project a season of .285, 16 hr, 65 rbi, .340 OBP.

2B Hernan Iribarren- The Hurricane- I think he will be a reserve middle infielder in the majors, but only for 3-5 years, at best.

1B Brad Nelson- I still like his bat a little, but I think he will be a left-handed bench player and backup 1B-OF for several seasons, hopefully for the Brew Crew.

RHP Tim Dillard- I think he could survive as a middle reliever in the majors for a couple seasons. Otherwise, I’m not convinced his pitches are MLB quality.

NEXT WAVE-

RHP Jeremy Jeffress- I still have really high hopes for this one. I think he can be a #3 type starter if he continues to progress. I think the chances he becomes a #1 starter are about equal to him flaming out (a la Mike Jones, Rogers, etc). Don’t like the drug red flag. Cross your fingers.

3B Taylor Green- He’s a guy that I think is actually a little underrated. I think he could be a solid-average major leaguer and a real gamer. I think he could play either 3B or 2B in the majors. Love his plate disipline so far. (141 BB, 159 SO in minors) If he can become a regular, I think he could put up numbers similar to Gamel, .280, 15 hr, 75 rbi. .375 OBP (me likey!)

OF Cole Gillespie- Also underrated so far, I think he could become a 4th OF type for a few seasons in the bigs.

C Jonathon Lucroy- I think he has a better shot a being a starting catcher than Salome. I think he could have a decent career with a projected season average of .260, 12 hr, 60 rbi, .340 OBP

LHP Zach Braddock- I actually would compare him a lot to Dana Eveland, but only if he stays healthly and improves. I think I’d only project him to be a #4 or #5 starter, but a potentional innings eater, which would be valuable.

Others to watch:
OF Caleb Gindl (I like his hitting potential)
RHP Evan Anundsen
RHP Alexander Periard
OF Lorenzo Cain (toolsy, but won’t be a MLB starter)

2008 DRAFT WAVE:

C Brett Lawrie- I really love this kid. If he can’t stick at catcher, I could see him as a 2B/OF similar to Craig Biggio, with a long and productive hitting career. Still a ways away, however.

RHP Jake Odorizzi- I like him a lot. Same red flags and risks as everytime you draft a HS pitcher. If I had to pick between him and Jeffress, I’d pick him.

LHP Evan Fredrickson- I thought he was a reach for the Brewers. Don’t think he’ll amount to much in MLB if he can’t refine his command. I hope I’m wrong.

RHP Seth Linz- Doesn’t have the ceiling as Odorizzi, imo. If he doesn’t make it as a starter, I could see him at the back end of a MLB bullpen someday.

OF/2B Cutter Dykstra- Diving into walls style of play like his father, Lenny. How his bat develops in the minors, will determine if he is a solid regular or a 4th OF type.

I’m excited by the prospect with the Brewers adding more depth to the sytsem during the 2009 draft as well, as we should have several high picks if they lose both CC and Benny.

I don’t see many blue-chip stars in the system currently, at least not even in the same vein as Fielder and Hardy (let alone Braun or Gallardo). However, I think the Brewers farm system will continue to produce MLB players.

"In 1962 I was named Minor League Player of the Year. It was my second season in the Bigs." - Mr. Baseball, Bob Uecker

by prince of power on Dec 9, 2025 1:24 AM EST reply reply   0 recs

I disagree.

Gallardo isn’t a “once in a generation pitcher”. He’s probably a fringe #1 pitcher. Roger Clemens is a once in a generation pitcher.

The numbers you put for Gamel would probably put him in the top seven or eight third basemen in the league, with the obvious potential to get much better. In all likelihood, he won’t stay at third. He will probably either be moved to the outfield or to first base if/when Fielder gets traded, which gets more and more likely every year.

Alcides Escobar: He probably won’t be OBPing .360 even in his career. But he is heralded as the best defensive player in the minor leagues, and he plays arguably the most important defensive position in baseball. From everything I’ve ever heard, he could be the best defensive shortstop in the game today. JJ Hardy was, in many rankings, the top defensive shortstop in baseball, or at least in the top three. And people think Escobar is better than he is. Sure, his bat needs to still catch up a little, which is why he will probably be at AAA to start 2009. However, my guess is he turns into a .280/.320/.400 regular with about 40 steals a year. His speed will definitaly be an asset in him getting on base more.

Angel Salome won’t be a major-league backup catcher. He will be given every opportunity to start at catcher, and if that doesn’t work he could concievably switch positions, though most likely not. If he is THAT terrible at catcher, he will be traded to an AL team who can use him as a DH. He has a great bat, not one that deserves to be on the bench.

I agree with you on The Hurricane. He’ll be at best a utility player. He’s a virtual non-prospect now.

Brad Nelson, I like as a backup player, like you. However, I would also, if Fielder were traded, like to see him play first base full time as a stopgap until Gamel is ready.

Jeremy Jeffress: He’s already surpassed where Mike Jones and Rogers were just by making it to AA, and probably AAA next season. I think his ceiling is going to be higher than Gallardo’s is, though whether he’ll be able to reach that, I don’t know. Really, barring major injury, if he sticks at starting pitcher, he will probably be at least a #2 guy. I wouldn’t mind seeing him switch to closer, either. With his pitching repertoire and 100 MPH fastball, he could be a dominant bullpen guy.

I also agree with you on Taylor Green, though he’s not really underrated. I think most people who are projecting him from his time at A+ think he will put up similar numbers. I also think Gamel will be better than him. If Gamel does somehow stick at 3B, I would want Green to go back to his natural position of 2B.

Cole Gillespie will probably be a fourth outfielder, though probably with a long career. He could be a decent starting outfielder for a team who is in need of an OF.

For Lucroy (and Green), I want to see them play at AA before I make any kind of projection about them, as that is supposed to be the hardest step up in baseball. I think Salome’s bat will be much, much better than Lucroy and would give him more reason to stick at C, especially hearing how Salome has been improving behind the dish. I don’t think Lucroy is a whiz defensively either, but we’ll see how he does next year.

I don’t know too much about the rest, though a couple things:
-Oderizzi over Jeffress? Maybe in a couple years. Jeffress is much more established and Oderizzi hasn’t done much in the minors yet, so for now I’ll take Jeffress and his dominant stuff.

-In RE: Frederickson, Manny Parra is a LHP who hasn’t mastered his command yet either. Nor did Randy Johnson for the first part of his career.

Right now, I think both Gamel and Salome have very good chances at being hitting stars in the majors. I think Escobar has a chance to be the best defensive SS in recent years and a very solid regular with the bat. And I think Jeffress could conceivably pass Gallardo (though I admit that is unlikely). Otherwise there are a few solid players who could be good regulars (Lucroy, Green) and a number of bench players.

Eric Gagne DL time: May 23-June 29 Brewers record in that span: 20-9

by NoahJ on Dec 9, 2025 3:08 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

You realize

That Gallardo was considered on par with Hughes/Bailey/Lincecum/Bucholz when those guys were considered top prospects 2 years ago right? He hasn’t had any arm issues, just the knee surgery.

by Ophidian on Dec 9, 2025 5:45 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I'm not saying Gallardo sucks.

I’m saying right now he is a fringe #1 starter (I’m guessing a solid #1 in a couple years), and I’m not sure how much room he has to grow. So far out of that group, Gallardo is probably a far second to Lincecum. I think Jeffress potential could put him into Lincecum-levels, though, as I said, I don’t think that Jeffress will achieve all his potential and will be a number 2 to Gallardo.

Unless Sabathia re-signs with the Brewers, Gallardo will probably be the top starter in Milwakee next year. I love Gallardo. I’ve got an autographed Gallardo jersey hanging in my bedroom. There’s no way I’m going to call him a “once in a generation” player when I could name 20 guys who I would take over him or right with him right now.

Eric Gagne DL time: May 23-June 29 Brewers record in that span: 20-9

by NoahJ on Dec 9, 2025 7:24 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

once in a generation comment

When I called Gallardo and Braun “once in a generation” type players, I was referring to them as players for the Brewers franchise, not throughout all of baseball.

I disagree that Jeffress has a higher ceiling as a starter than Yovani Gallardo. I think Gallardo will turn out to be the best pitcher the Brewers organization has every drafted (apologies to Ben Sheets). Braun could have a hall-of-fame offensive career similar to two others drafted by the Brewers (Robin Yount and Paul Molitor).

I think the Brewers will at some point attempt to lock up Gallardo long term like they did Braun so that they can serve as building blocks to the Milwaukee Brewers being contenders for years to come.

"In 1962 I was named Minor League Player of the Year. It was my second season in the Bigs." - Mr. Baseball, Bob Uecker

by prince of power on Dec 9, 2025 7:57 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I'm still not sure I agree with that.

But fair enough, I can understand that line of thinking. I certainly hope they lock up Gallardo for a couple years past free agency, too.

Note: I was looking through Brewer drafts for the last 20 minutes trying to find a pitcher the Brewers drafted but who didn’t sign that turned out to be amazing (just to be clever and snarky on your best pitcher drafted by brewers comment) but couldn’t really find any. I did find, however, that the brewers drafted both Jason Giambi and Nomar Garciaparra, but they of course did not sign.

Eric Gagne DL time: May 23-June 29 Brewers record in that span: 20-9

by NoahJ on Dec 10, 2025 1:27 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

comparing Gallardo and Jeffress

Also, Yovani is known for a calm, collected, bulldog demenor on the mound and the consumate professional. I feel he has that intangible “it” that can make him a dominant #1 starter.

Jeffress is still an immature kid who may have all the talent in the world, but if he doesn’t get his act together and head on straight soon (he’s tested positive for Marijuana several times, including after initial suspensions), I could see him flaming out as a prospect.

"In 1962 I was named Minor League Player of the Year. It was my second season in the Bigs." - Mr. Baseball, Bob Uecker

by prince of power on Dec 9, 2025 8:02 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

"Yovani is known for a calm....demenor [sic]"

Uhh…isn’t Jeffress trying to get that way with the pot smoking?

In all seriousness though, I do think Gallardo is more likely to have the better career. I think that Jeffress has the better stuff, though, and if he were to get everything together would be as good, if not better than Gallardo. I really can’t speak towards his demeanor as I haven’t seen him pitch but am going on word of mouth and statistics. The pot smoking throws out a flag, though I would expect him to mature from that over time and with supervision. I thought he went to rehab and he said it helped him a lot. Have you seen him pitch before? For all I know, he could be calm as Yovani or temperamental as Carlos Zambrano.

Like I said, there have been rumblings how he could be a dominant bullpen guy if he doesn’t stick in the rotation for some reason.

I’m certainly excited to see him in AAA next year.

Eric Gagne DL time: May 23-June 29 Brewers record in that span: 20-9

by NoahJ on Dec 10, 2025 1:02 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Gallardo v. Lincecum

Let’s be age-relative for a second. Gallardo is almost two years younger than Lincecum, has a much better frame, and matches Lincecum in every stat. YoGa lead the minors in K’s when Lincecum was still in college. Tiny Tim’s first taste of pro ball would have coincided with Yo’s season this year. Timmy-31.2IP/6ER. Yo-24IP/5ER. The difference? Yo was putting his line up in the majors while Timmy had to deal with A-ballers. And just for fun, torn ACL? He goes another inning! Shut it down for the year? See you in September! His toughness would make Brett Favre blush. And the best part, he sports the best bat in the NL of any pitcher.

by ILuvDaBush on Dec 10, 2025 3:04 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I'd take Carlos Zambrano's or Micah Owings bat over Gallardo's.

But otherwise your points are valid. I guess I would take either of those guys on my team in a heartbeat.

Eric Gagne DL time: May 23-June 29 Brewers record in that span: 20-9

by NoahJ on Dec 10, 2025 4:29 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs


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