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Post-Hype Analysis: Rick Porcello

Post-Hype Analysis: Rick Porcello

I get a lot of questions about Rick Porcello, so he is a good topic for a post-hype analysis.

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 Rated by most experts as the most advanced high school pitcher in the 2007 draft, Porcello was drafted by the Detroit Tigers 27th overall but would have gone much higher had his signability been more clear. He spent just one year in the minors, posting a 2.66 ERA with a 72/33 K/BB in 125 innings in the Florida State League in 2008. Scouting reports were very positive, focusing in particular on the quality of his sinker and changeup.

His 2.48 GO/AO pointed out the quality of his sinker and he threw strikes, but his K/IP ratio was weak, supposedly because the Tigers had him concentrating on developing his curve over his slider. I gave him a Grade A- in the 2009 book, but noted that the poor K/IP ratio was a caution flag. I still considered him an "elite" prospect, but saw him more as a Brandon Webb style pitcher than a Josh Beckett. Keep in mind that Webb was coming off a terrific season.

Now, as you know, the Tigers jumped Porcello directly to the majors in 2009, and contrary to many expectations (including mine), he pitched well, going 14-9, 3.96 ERA (115 ERA+), with an 89/52 K/BB in 171 innings. His K/IP was weak at 4.7 K/9, but his control was decent and he kept the ball down. However, his FIP and xFIP were weaker than the ERA at 4.77 and 4.27 respectively.

Porcello's 2010 season wasn't as successful, on the surface anyway. He went 10-12, 4.92 ERA, 85 ERA+ in 163 innings, with an 84/38 K/BB and 188 hits allowed. The full run jump in his ERA was scary, but the reality is that his '10 was actually very similar to his '09. His xFIP was virtually identical at 4.24, and his FIP actually improved to 4.31. His WAR for both seasons was exactly the same: 1.9 in both campaigns.

Basically, surface appearances aside, the main difference between Porcello in 2009 and 2010 was luck and defensive support.

Where does he stand going forward? Porcello is a 22-year-old pitcher with a 24-22 record, a 4.50 ERA in 338 innings, ERA+ of 98. He's been above replacement level both seasons, and at his age that's really all the Tigers should expect. Can he improve from where he currently is? And will he stay healthy?

You know I like to look at history, so let's do that. Sim Scores through age 21 aren't particularly encouraging: Virgil Cheeves, Dick Drott, Carl Scheib, Jose Rijo, Billy Serad, Ed Knouff, Steve Avery, Dave Morehead, Alex Fernandez, and Larry Christenson. Rijo, Avery, and Fernandez were all successful pitchers in their 20s, but all three of them burned out by age 30. I'm sure most of you are familiar with their careers.

Of the older players you might not have heard of, Drott was finished as an effective pitcher at age 26. Morehead was finished at 27. Cheeves was burned out at age 24.  Scheib was burned out at age 27. Serad was a guy who pitched in the 1880s so conditions were much different then, but I do note his career was over at age 24. Likewise Knouff, who was pitching in the majors at age 17 in 1885 but was burned out by 22. Christensen pitched in the 1970s and early 1980s and was quite good at times. He was finished as an effective pitcher at age 29.

Not one of these guys made it past age 30. Not one of them.

Now, Sim Scores aren't everything, especially when you're dealing with a guy just beginning his career and with a limited set of data. So let's take a look at the Baseball Prospectus list of Comparable Players, which is a more complex and statheady way to compare players .

On the surface, this is a more positive list: Zack Greinke-2007, Jair Jurrjens-2009, Vin Mazzaro-2010, Mike Witt-1984, Don Drysdale-1960, Don Robinson-1980, Mark Gubicza-1986, Michael-Bowden-2010, Collin Balester-2009, and Dave Rozema-1980 are the top guys. Now, obviously we don't know how the careers of Greinke, Jurrjens, Mazzaro, Bowden, and Balester are going to turn out in terms of durability, so we'll just set them aside (though it is useful to keep in mind the big run of success Greinke and Jurrjens have had since their early rough patches).

But of the players on the Prospectus list with full career data, we find the following.

Don Drysdale became an excellent pitcher, but burned out at age 32. Mike Witt was a very good pitcher but his arm fell off when he was 29. Don Robinson pitched in the majors until age 35, but he got seriously hurt at ages 24 and 26, and spent much of his career as a reliever due to durability problems.  Dave Rozema hurt his arm at age 22, got hurt again at age 25, and was out of the majors by age 30. Gubicza hurt his arm at age 27, and while he kept pitching until he was 33, he was never the same after he got hurt.

So, looking at all of this, my opinion about Rick Porcello is as follows.

I think Porcello has a good chance to develop into an above-average pitcher, and perhaps an excellent one. But the historical precedents strongly suggest that he'll get hurt, probably seriously, and there is a good chance he won't be effective much beyond age 30.

There are factors working in his favor, of course. Managers and coaches are far more conscious of workload management than they were in the past. Training regimens are much better now. Medical science has made huge advances, so even if Porcello does get hurt, he'll have a better chance to recover than the historical precedents did.

The precedents are just that: precedents. History isn't destiny. But it does show the kinds of odds that Porcello faces.

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another words, the Tigers probably rushed Rick

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on Apr 8, 2026 1:52 PM EDT reply actions  

They probably did rush Porcello...

BUT I was impressed by his stuff last year. Personally I see him doing very well for himself in the future. Maybe it’s because he’s from New Jersey, but I’m very optimistic for this guy. I love the stuff and I think he has the upside of a TOR 2seam/curveball guy.

by SenorGato on Apr 8, 2026 2:14 PM EDT reply actions  

On the "done by 30 thing"....

like you say John this is probably less of an issue today than it was in the past. Teams know more about pitching and pitchers than ever before, and I don’t think the Tigers have worked him all that hard. I do think that the Tigers have put in the effort to teach him….they quickly ID’d his curveball as the better breaking pitch…got him to focus on his two seamer more….and got him to work on his changeup…sounds standard procedure but it looks like they’re trying to mold him into a pitcher similar to the Wainwrights and Carpenters of the world. MAYBE something goes wrong and he ends up more Jake Westbrook than Adam Wainwright, but 1. Westbrook isn’t a bad pitcher by any means and 2. Porcello’s got better pure stuff than Westbrook.

I’m gonna say that within 5-6 years he’ll establish himself as an ace.

by SenorGato on Apr 8, 2026 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

Yeah, that’s my point…conditions are different than they were even 10-15 years ago. The history of similar pitchers is not necessarily his destiny. But it is an interesting test to see if better workload management, better sports medicine, etc. how it will impact things.

by John Sickels on Apr 8, 2026 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why in this age...

where we seem to know so much about how to progress prospects, do the Tigers continue to rush young pitchers like Porcello, Oliver, Andrew Miller, etc? The guy had one pitch that was ready for the majors when they brought him up, his two-seamer. Yes, he was above replacement level, but were a few years of an above replacement level pitcher worth more than a possible top of the rotation starter 2 years down the road? No way. Just doesn’t make sense to me. If I was a Tigers fan, I would be quite annoyed with their front office.

by polodude017 on Apr 8, 2026 2:44 PM EDT reply actions  

They didn't have a choice with Miller

He had a clause in his contract that stated he had to be in the majors by a certain date. I do agree with you for the most part, just not in regards to Miller.

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by King Billy Royal on Apr 8, 2026 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

i am fairly certain Miller was "just" required to be a sept call up the year he was drafted

wasn’t aware of anything else, but maybe i’m wrong.

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by doublestix on Apr 8, 2026 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

because they are being paid like major league stars?

these ridiculous bonuses I am certain, has a lot to do with rushing the development of these guys.

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on Apr 9, 2026 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Very good point

There is the ROI factor that comes into play. Unfortunately, teams can’t just ignore the signing bonus in their decision making process - there’s that pressure from ownership for a decent return on their dollars….

by wonderphenom on Apr 9, 2026 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

better return != rushed promotion

If anything, rushing a guy like Porcello lowers the team’s return - since they waste one or more of his salary-controlled years on mediocre seasons.

by ManConley on Apr 9, 2026 2:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Because they are trying to win at the MLB level?

Seriously, without Porcello in the rotation in ‘09, they don’t play game 163 against the Twins for the division.

This is a minor league board, and i know we all want prospects to reach their best possible outcomes, but you have to take into account an MLB team needs to sell tickets, and to win (which helps sell tix, of course). Porcello gave the Tigers their best chance at that, so he was put in the rotation. If he wasn’t ready to get MLB hitters out, he’d have been sent back down.

The fact Oliver made what, a half dozen starts last year doesn’t mean he’s been rushed. He got to see what works and doesn’t work for him at the top level, so he can work on those things on the farm. I don’t think that is such a bad idea.

by drwmsu1 on Apr 9, 2026 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

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