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Andrew Cashner of the Chicago Cubs looks on after loading the bases in the ninth inning against the San Francisco Giants during an MLB game at AT&T Park on August 12 2010 in San Francisco California. (Photo by Jed Jacobsohn/Getty Images)

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Andrew Cashner of the Chicago Cubs looks on after loading the bases in the ninth inning against the San Francisco Giants during an MLB game at AT&T; Park on August 12 2010 in San Francisco California. (Photo by Jed Jacobsohn/Getty Images)


Bonehead Decision Poll

Ok, let's have some fun with this. I've gone through the discussion and picked out the ones I think are most interesting. Remember, stuff from the draft and from other seasons does not count. Also, keep in mind that sometimes what should be a bonehead decision by all logic actually works out. I though the Cubs were rushing Starlin Castro, for example, but he's been amazing.


(NOTE: my selection of the Andrew Cashner photo should not be construed as an attempt to influence the vote. I did not pick that option in the poll myself.)

Poll
Bonehead decision poll: which was dumbest?
Cubs handling of Andrew Cashner
62 votes
Royals handling of Kila Ka'aihue
263 votes
Mets handling of Jenrry Mejia
498 votes
Tigers handling of Andy Oliver
81 votes
Giants starting Buster Posey in Triple-A
150 votes
Tigers handling of Scott Sizemore
41 votes
Angels handling of Will Smith and Trevor Reckling
47 votes
Rangers handling of Justin Smoak
123 votes

1265 votes | Poll has closed

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I have no...

real problem with Cashner’s handling as long as they try and convert him to starter for next year.

I think the worse handling was unquestionable Mejia as he barely pitched when he was up. There was no reason to have him in the majors.

by Havok1517 on Aug 25, 2025 10:17 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

Usually I agree but Arcia could probably hit a bounced pitch out of the park right now. -KBR

by Archie A on Aug 25, 2025 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think...

Its got to be Jenrry and the Mets (sing that to “Benny and the Jets”).

While many of these have just been awful, they could have at least been justified by roster considerations, finance or contention. Posey for example, won’t be harmed by an extra month in the minors.

It comes down to me (like in the poll) to Kila and Mejia, but Mejia is far and away worst based on 1) His upside, 2) the potential damage to his development.

by ADLC on Aug 25, 2025 10:19 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't know how you can argue Kila over Mejia here

Leaving a 26 year old possible AAAA slugger in AAA a few months too long is more boneheaded than stalling the development of a 20 with the potential to be a TOR starter? Someone please explain.

by nixa37 on Aug 25, 2025 10:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Pretty simple

Most people here are higher on Kila than you are. That said, I do agree that Mejia was worse, because too soon is almost always worse than too late.

by OremLK on Aug 25, 2025 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

Though KK was less the fact that they kept him down, and more that they jerked him back and forth without hitting.

by ADLC on Aug 25, 2025 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even if you like him how does keeping him down a few months too long make a difference?

Based on his performance last season in the PCL he hadn’t earned a spot on the ML team, so what’s the mistake? Not recalling him until 8/1? How does letting him slug his way through the PCL for a few extra months make a difference in the grand scheme of things?

The Mets on the other hand really screwed with Mejia’s development at a young age. That’s a far, far greater sin than leaving Kila down for a few extra months. I don’t even see how that’s debatable.

by nixa37 on Aug 25, 2025 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

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by doublestix on Aug 26, 2025 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I definitely agree with this view

It shouldn’t be up there with Posey or Meija in my opinion. The one thing that does make it more dumb than most is that the Royals are a rebuilding team, and therefore had no business giving Kila’s at-bats to mediocre veterans. Most of the other moves were done out of desperation by competing teams who needed help (not that that makes them right, but at least a bit more understandable).

by Fuckmikereilly on Aug 26, 2025 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bingo

Nixa nailed it.

by King Billy Royal on Aug 26, 2025 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

What’s the big deal with Kila anyway? Now they get control over the heart of his career rather than the beginning. They didn’t hamper his development any… and its not like they were making a playoff run and played an inferior player over him.

If we’re including trading Nunez for Jacobs as part of a Kila bundle package… then I can understand it some. Otherwise hard for me to see what the big deal was here.

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by alskor on Aug 26, 2025 3:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mejia no question for me

next I’d put down Oliver, the Kila.

Cashner I’d consider if the Cubs kept him in relief next year, but everything seems as though he’ll be re-converted to a starter.

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by gore51 on Aug 25, 2025 10:50 PM EDT reply actions  

It still seems stupid though that

his innings will be so limited this year (considering he was in the pen his last 2 years of college), and that being used in the pen this year, he doesn’t use his secondary pitches nearly as often. It just seems like a wasted year to have him in the pen of one of the 7-8 worst teams in MLB this year. Meija and Kila are both worse in my opinion, I’m just particularly sensitive to Cashner because I’m a Cubs fan, as his first 2 months of the season in AA and AAA were so exciting.

by philadelphiacub on Aug 28, 2025 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just saw Cashner on Saturday against the Reds

and his stuff was excellent. I hope for his sake that CHC knows what they’re doing.

by blackoutyears on Aug 30, 2025 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

So weird

that people stuff the ballot even on a poll like this.

by auclairkeithbc on Aug 25, 2025 11:05 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

you're serious?

you think 570 people have voted from 9:30 at night until 9:30 the next morning?

by auclairkeithbc on Aug 26, 2025 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

To what end?

Do you think that these results matter? That people are heavily invested in the outcome of this?

Granted there are some yahoos out there that are probably stuffing the ballot but so what?

by ThomasG on Aug 26, 2025 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

That is my point

It is weird. There could easily be 100 real votes, maybe 150. But it is really weird that people are spending a lot of time voting and voting again, I’d guess matthewmafa is one of them, not that I really care. It is really weird and pointless. That is why I phrased my post the way I did. You are responding as if you didn’t read my post.

by auclairkeithbc on Aug 26, 2025 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's a really dumb conspiracy theory

imo.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Aug 26, 2025 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

what conspiracy?

haha. people are blowing a passing comment way out of hand. are there nearly 1000 individuals here that have voted on the poll in less than 24 hours? of course not. it isn’t a conspiracy or cover-up, just a fact.

i understand why people stuffed the ballot in the community prospect poll, because they want the list to be as much like their own list as possible, but it is funny that people care so much about this stuff too.

by auclairkeithbc on Aug 26, 2025 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

ballots

We get over 4,000 unique visitors per day here, sometimes as many as 8,000 or more. It could happen that we get 1,000 poll responses.

by John Sickels on Aug 26, 2025 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

well

that is impressive. i rarely know when to give up a position, but this seems like a good time.

by auclairkeithbc on Aug 26, 2025 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

went with the Angels, just because I saw that as worse than other options with more votes

cool idea for a thread by the way, not sure if you do it every year

by pack_fan on Aug 26, 2025 12:30 AM EDT reply actions  

When in doubt bet on the Mets

Though I personally have no doubt here and have to say the Mets once again severely mismanaged another young player.

by jaroche6 on Aug 26, 2025 12:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Travis Snider

Hate what the Blue Jays are doing with Snider. Batting him leadoff? really?

I voted for Mejia. I can’t think of any argument to justify it

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by Jgaztambide on Aug 26, 2025 12:41 AM EDT reply actions  

How is batting him leadoff going to hurt?

He will see lots of great pitches and get more at bats in that position.

by King Billy Royal on Aug 26, 2025 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

as long as they let him play

Just find him a spot in the order and let him stay there. it seems like he is sitting every third game or so, and it just seems pointless for a team out of contention to be giving his at bats to a 30 year old Fred Lewis over a 22 year old with 3-4-5 potential. I still think this kid is going to be special, and would take him over a guy like Stanton in a heartbeat.

by ADLC on Aug 26, 2025 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Playing young guys

Toronto is trying to finish the year as strongly as possible in an effort to rebuild its fan base that deteriorated during the JP regime. They can’t afford to just play young players if it hurts them with the wins. This is a team that really would love to get 85+ wins.

by King Billy Royal on Aug 26, 2025 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was going to say "Free the Blue Jays!" because they play in the AL East...

but looking closer at it, they’re 12-0 against Baltimore, 7-5 against NY, 6-6 against TB. Only bad record is 4-11 versus Boston. But 29-22 overall. Not too bad.

Still, this team is 12th in the AL in attendance?!?! What went wrong? You play the Yankees, Red Sox, and Rays on the regular. You’re 2 Snider HR’s and 2 Lewis HR’s from having 10 guys with 10+ homers. You’ve got Bautista putting on a show. And the starting pitching ain’t too bad either. 66-60 record. I’m just surprised. As a Mariners fan, we are awful, putrid, this year. We’ve got 2 guys with 10 HR, and Branyan only just hit his 10th HR. We’re boring to watch. Cliff Lee is gone. All we’ve got is Felix and Ichiro. And we’re 7th in attendance.

Its just strange.

by Humbled Fan on Aug 26, 2025 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oliver was stupid

But in defense of the Tigers, they had the sense to demote him after 4 starts.

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by David Tokarz on Aug 26, 2025 1:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Mejia

Now, while I don´t think it was a good idea, the way Mejia has been pitching at AA this year seems to prove that the time he got in the majors, working with pitchers such as Johan Santana apparently has helped Mejia. While he always had the arm, he has never posted dominating numbers like he has in his last few starts.

And, the Mets were very carefully with Mejia when he was up. He rarely pitched on back-to-back days and never pitched 3 games in a row which is something that Jerry Manuel & Co. apparently have no problem doing to other relievers frequently.

So in retrospect, placing Mejia in the majors and handling him with care there may have had two positive effects:

1. Experience at the top level, under the guidance of people like Santana or - on a pure pitching level - Francisco Rodriguez and possibly learn a lot about what works and what doesn´t vs. major league hitters.

2. Limiting his innings pitched in 2010 significantly.

Now what makes me consider throwing up, of course, is reading about the Mets debating internally of bringing up Mejia as a SP or RP, depending on whether they´re in the race in September. That shows that the decision to put him in the pen initially had nothing to do with any sort of plan but rather out of shortsighted necessity.

by Doob on Aug 26, 2025 1:32 AM EDT reply actions  

This

is all reasonable to me. I didn’t think Mejia was irreparably harmed by the promotion. There’s lost development time, but it’s somewhat balanced by the two points above. Was it ideal? Probably not, but I don’t think it’s the end of the world. And I second the worry over a nonsensical call-up. Let him pitch out his Double-A season, send him to the AFL again, and then send him home to pursue his off-season conditioning regimen.

by blackoutyears on Aug 26, 2025 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I put Mejia

but I think Smoak and the Maddon’s handling of Brignac aren’t far off.

Brignac is not getting regular ABs against RHP even… and then got a random start against a LHP where he went 0fer…. I know it’s not Maddon’s fault that Bartlett wasn’t traded, but it is his fault for how he has handled him the past couple months.

by daveh33 on Aug 26, 2025 2:02 AM EDT reply actions  

The Rangers did rush Smoak

but what option did they have after Chris Davis STBF?

by RangerMad on Aug 26, 2025 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm kind of mad I didn't think of Cashner...

He should have spent the whole season in the minors getting innings.

by SenorGato on Aug 26, 2025 2:28 AM EDT reply actions  

I went with the Angels.

I think the handling of Mejia was stupid… but at least I understand the flawed methodology behind it, and the attempt by the Mets FO to save their jobs, etc…

I honestly have no friggin clue what the Angels were thinking. Just a bizarre series of actions. Mejia COULD have helped a MLB team under the right circumstances, though obviously that would be a shortsighted usage. I’ve yet to hear one potential positive for the way the Halos handled Reckling and Smith… it seems almost random. Substantial risk, little upside… no clue what they were thinking here. Love to hear an explanation.

Two of the moves above are teams burying a kid behind lesser players (Posey and Kila). The rest (excepting the Angels) are MLB teams searching for help and trying to fill a hole on the 25 man roster. The guys above didn’t really work out, obviously. They’re all talented young players with flaws in their game who need polish but in theory could help a MLB team in some capacity at present. I understand the thinking behind all of these. If they work out its Starlin Castro. No one is listing Starlin Castro above. So I’m hesitant to judge those too harshly. The Angels stand out as wholly minor league assignments that make very little sense. That’s pretty troubling. I’ve yet to even hear anyone attempt to explain it.

I guess its par for the course for an org that continues to play the worst regular catcher in baseball over one of the better ones. I have to admit, its actually somewhat satisfying for me to see the years of strange decisions finally catching up to them. Somehow Kenny Williams is going strong 10 years now…

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by alskor on Aug 26, 2025 4:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Agree completely.

What really gets me is that the Angels decided to send two pitchers with little (or no) experience above High-A into the meat grinder that is Salt Lake. Maybe you could justify starting Reckling in AAA based on his (seemingly) decent performance in AA to finish the ’09 season but there was absolutely no reason to keep him there for three months when it was abundantly clear he was overmatched a month-and-a-half in. And in what world does it make sense to have a pitcher work on improving his fastball control problems in such a high-offense environment?

Maybe it’s me but it seems as if the Angels don’t have the greatest track record when it comes to prospect development. That’s not to say they haven’t had great prospects, just that the prospects they have matriculated seem to succeed in spite of the way the Angels handled them.

by ThomasG on Aug 26, 2025 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

This

is the obvious one for me because I’ve been following Reckling since he was drafted and felt that his Double-A performance was mostly surface, and that concentrating on the ERA while ignoring the poor walk rate and just okay strikeout rate was short-sighted. I hadn’t been entirely impressed with his stuff in the looks I’d gotten (Futures Game and other video) and was worried that he he was being advanced way too quickly. The promotion was questionable. Leaving him there to get whacked like a pinata was the bonehead part.

by blackoutyears on Aug 26, 2025 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Will Smith

Will Smith was called up due to recent MLB call-ups and injuries to spot start at AAA. That happened to last for 9 games. He was judged to have performed adequately. Hittable, not a ton of K’s etc. So they moved him to AA, to continue to challenge him. I wouldn’t have done it, but the CAL league isn’t the best for a pitcher’s development. In any case, that move did not work out at all really. But by then he was traded. WIll Smith is not a top prospect, and one that needs to be handled like a delicate flower. But who knows, maybe the Royals will do a better job.

Trevor Reckling

Was promoted aggressively. What narrative do you want? He was challenged, similar to Nick Adenhart, Ervin Santana, Jered Weaver and basically any of the Angels ‘percieved’ top pitching prospects. Perhaps there’s an understanding of the attrition-able nature of SP’s. They don’t like to have multiple innings on their arms before they’re called up to the bigs. So Reckling struggled, many people (myself included actually) thought he would based on AA stats. But Major League clubs care less about minor league stats than ‘the process’ and individual development. The Angels thought he was ready (he is a very poised and mature young guy) and he struggled to adjust. No big deal (the Angels actually preach they like to see how a guy deals with adversity instead of playing it safer all the way), he’ll have another crack at it next year (he’s still what 20?).

They make sense if you want them to. The Angels have a habit of promoting pitchers aggressively, be it to challenge them and see how they deal with any adversity. They also have a habit of taking time with hitters, and seeking, especially Scioscia, for the young guys to step up and take a major league starting job. Its a club philosophy that might produce some boneheaded decisions once in a while, but it has led to the club to be mighty competitive for a decade. But they also do play into a narrative of strange decisions if people like to look for that, and as you seem to take that path using the example of Mathis/Napoli it’s pretty easy to see this organization as using an odd process (based upon minor league results from Reck and Smith of course). But like you said voodoo and karma, those tangible things, have finally caught up with the Angels and those lucky years between 2002-2009.

by TheQuestforMerlin on Aug 26, 2025 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

He was challenged, similar to Nick Adenhart, Ervin Santana, Jered Weaver and basically any of the Angels ‘percieved’ top pitching prospects.

Yeah… all those guys were handled less than ideally.

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by alskor on Aug 26, 2025 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just off hand

I wondered if any any of these guys were 20 when they started their Triple-A seasons. Santana was 22, Adenhart 21 and Weaver 23. I guess you could make a case that Adenhart was promoted aggressively and it worked out, but the other two seemed to simply be on the advanced track you’d expect of top pitching prospects. I think Reckling was still rushed by comparison.

I understand the reasons for Reckling’s promotion and the org’s faith in his maturity (I’ve seen the commments by LAA on it), but I didn’t see a reason not to let him master Double-A. If that’s their process then so be it, but it’s a case where the reservations expressed at the time seem to be borne out.

by blackoutyears on Aug 26, 2025 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

AAA

Santana skipped AAA (was moved down for a bit in his third major league season to work on a few things, if my memory serves me) in effect, pitching there for 3 games. He was injured in 2003 otherwise he would probably have been up in AAA in 2003 at the age of 21.

Weaver came out of college, pitched in A+ and AA in 2005 then AAA and MLB in 2006.

Adenhart and Reckling both pretty much skipped A+ (Reck pitched 3 times, Adenhart 9) and were in AAA by the age of 21. Adenhart spent a full year at AA however, although Reckling spent a full year at A ball, Adenhart did not.

John Lackey reached AAA in his 3rd full pro year at age 22 (struggling with a 6.71ERA) after moving relatively quickly.

Joe Saunders reached AAA in his second full professional season (he was drafted in 2002, played A ball, missed 2003, 2004 was in A+ and 2005 AA and AAA) and indeed a couple of MLB starts in 2005 also.

The Angels have been fairly consistent with promoting their better SP prospects, generally within a 3 year time span (accounting for injuries) most of their prospects have either touched AAA or been near it. You could argue as alskor does, that this is less than ideal. However the Angels are consistent with this philosophy, and it has worked for them, judging by the number of solid starting pitchers they have produced within the last 5 or 6 years. So, each to their own I guess.

by TheQuestforMerlin on Aug 26, 2025 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

It just seems high risk to me...

and the reward is what? Getting more control of the period of a player’s time in the majors when he is still developing instead of on the back end where he is in his prime…?

Its not the biggest deal in the world… I just don’t care for it.

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by alskor on Aug 26, 2025 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Respect to your opinion

Yeah, I don’t really know either way. I err on the side of its good, but saying that, I haven’t personally liked Recklings handling. WIll Smith, I don’t particularly worry about anyway. At least they didn’t stick Reck into the major league bullpen or something like that.

If we had more chatter from organizational scouts on their opinions of certain moves, this could be a more productive discussion I feel.

by TheQuestforMerlin on Aug 26, 2025 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

No one you mentioned

started a Triple-A season at Age 20. At that age a year makes a tremendous difference, so no, I don’t agree that this is consistent with the players you mention except under the vague term of ‘aggressive’. This was aggressive even by their normal standards.

by blackoutyears on Aug 26, 2025 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

And the point is

not ARL, but rather leaving Reckling at a level that was crushing him for at least a month longer than seemed reasonable. Like I said, the promotion was defensible, it was the prolonged beating that wasn’t. If that’s part of the ‘process’, then the ‘process’ is ripe for reappraisal. I can’t wait to see Chatwood in the major league rotation next April.

by blackoutyears on Aug 26, 2025 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks for the insight

but I still really disagree with the way they handled smith. You should have no need of a 20 yr old spot starter for 9 games in AAA. There are so many other options, like say a guy from AA and then you could send smith up 1 level if you wanted. I like that they saw good things in his performance in AAA, but dropping him to AA is a bad move too. It’s obvious he wasn’t doing something right, so why not send him back to make some corrections at the level most guys his age are working at? I think success on some level is a much better confidence booster than attempting to instill confidence in guys by challenging them, let alone challenging them when they might not be ready.

by pack_fan on Aug 27, 2025 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kila is not a mistake

Kila is not a mistake for the Royals because they clearly don’t want him in the lineup. He is being a called a great slugging DH, but where does he fit on the Royal lineup in 2013?

He won’t be at 1B or DH, because those spots will be taken by Butler and Hosmer. You can’t move Hosmer or Butler to 3B because Moustakas will be there.

The only way to get everyone in the lineup is to have Kila at DH, Butler and Hosmer at the Corners, Gordon in Left Field and Moustakas in Right Field…..

by tenags on Aug 26, 2025 9:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Methinks the Royals need to be more worried about 2010 at this point

And 2011. Besides, banking on Hosmer to work out (as good as he is) isn’t as smart as hoping he works out and finding a backup prospect to do the same in case he doesn’t.

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by David Tokarz on Aug 26, 2025 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Depth is not a bad thing-not to mention that Kila has a better chance of being on the 2013 team than Jose Guillen did and they kept playing him at DH

Buster Posey>

by Gobroks on Aug 27, 2025 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

So on the topic of Jenrry

I know in most peoples “top so and so” lists, they haven’t had guys who have been in the majors this year, but it looks like Jenrry will be prospect elligible again this year. Where would he rank on a list this year? With so many graduations, I think he has to be an easy top 50, especially with how he’s pitching, right?

by brok515 on Aug 26, 2025 10:05 AM EDT reply actions  

He is for me

Held his own in an unfamiliar role at the highest level and has been very effective in a league where he’s still years younger than the average. Of the nineteen hits he’s allowed since returning to Binghamton only one (a triple) has gone for extra bases. His stuff is undiminished from what I’ve seen. For those who insist he’s still a reliever in the end he’s probably not a top guy.

by blackoutyears on Aug 26, 2025 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

other weirdness

the Tigers and both Rick Porcello and Max Scherzer?

the Orioles and … everyone?

the Yankees and Joba Chamberlain?

by AndrewTorrez on Aug 26, 2025 6:24 PM EDT reply actions  

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