San Francisco Giants Organization Discussion
I am now working on the New York Mets list, to be followed by the Texas Rangers and the San Francisco Giants. We have a lively Rangers discussion going, so let's continue on with the Giants.
There were some big graduations to the majors this year with Posey and Bumgarner. What else do you see down there? Personally I think Brandon Belt is genuine. Do you see any sleepers that draw the eye?
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Nick Liles
I recommended him last year, and I’m gonna do it again this year. He can played 2B or OF, and all he does is hit and run. He’s got essentially zero power, but he’s got a chance to be a utility guy
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by Archie A on Oct 26, 2025 9:14 AM EDT reply actions
Interesting
FYI, the Giants have finally moved Liles out of the OF and back to the IF after 2 pro seasons. They have him playing 3B and 2B in the AIL this Fall. I think he’ll have to be a 2B if he’s going to make it in the majors. It’s a huge longshot due to his age. He’ll never hit for any power, but he could be a high-OBP guy with above-average speed and smarts at the top of the lineup.
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by Fla-Giant on Oct 26, 2025 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Charlie Culberson
What are your thoughts on Charlie Culberson? He had a pretty decent year in 2010 for San Jose. 28 Doubles, 16 HR, 25 SB and a .340 OBP. He also is doing well in the AFL this year.
by Bear4499 on Oct 26, 2025 11:10 AM EDT reply actions
Very good buzz on him coming out of the AFL
Clearly in the “didn’t see that one coming” category.
by mrkupe on Oct 26, 2025 1:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Culberson
From what I have read about Culberson he was well regarded coming out of High School in Calhoun, Georgia (51st overall pick in 2007). It looks like it has taken a couple of years for him to catch on, but he still is only 21.
Since I am on the East Coast I have never seen him play. My impression is that he has questionable strike zone judgement (99K/33BB at San Jose) and shaky defense. His stats at San Jose and in the AFL have peaked my interest. Just curious if he looks like a serious candidate for the Giants 2B job in the near future.
by Bear4499 on Oct 26, 2025 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
eh
He was considered an overdraft at the time, rated as a round 3-5 talent who was an easy sign for a pick-heavy draft class. But yeah, he seems to be looking up.
by mrkupe on Oct 26, 2025 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Overdraft
Certainly an overdraft, as you said. But the Giants said at the time he was drafted that they liked his power potential from the middle of the IF. Credit where credit is due on that one - I sure as hell didn’t believe in him at any point.
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by tedfordfan on Oct 26, 2025 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Wasn't he the teammate of a 1st rd pick that year too?
Buster Posey>
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by Gobroks on Oct 27, 2025 2:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
he's the #1 prospect at 2B for the Giants now
IMO - jumping Nick Noonan, Emmanuel Burriss and Brock Bond. Culbie had a break-out season in the Cal League at the age of 21 this summer. The Giants moved him to 2B (from 3B), and that appeared to settle him down a bit in the field. He finally showed that he could hit for power after 2 anemic seasons in the low-A Sallie. His output was:
.292/.340/.457/.797 with 16 HR, 28 Dbl., 4 Trpl., and a K-rate=18.3%, BB-rate=6.1%, and 25 out of 32 SBs
Yes, the CAL is a notorious hitter’s league, but his home park was actually a slight pitcher’s park, and the overall numbers don’t tell the whole story. His power improved in each of the fist 3 months, all while his K-rate was decreasing dramatically and his BB-rate was going up. I don’t have the exact stats, because my go-to site is offline, but I remember that his K-rate went from the mid-20s at the end of April to around 16% for the month of July and about 18% in August. He hurt his thumb in July, causing him to miss about 9 games, and his power and average took a dip in August. I think that he came back too quickly and the thumb was bugging him the rest of the regular season. The big thing to take away is that he was able to make adjustments to put up consistent improvement throughout the season.
And now, after getting a month off to allow his thumb to fully heal, he’s mashing in the AFL. In 8 games he has an eye-popping output:
.514/.541/.857/1.398 with 2 HR, 6 Dbl., and only 5 K (13.2%) in 38 PA’s.
It’s an extremely SSS, but it gives much more legitimacy to his summer surge (and remember he doesn’t turn 22 until next April). Brandon Belt isn’t putting up those tyhpe of numbers in the AFL while playing with Culbie, and the highly-rated Thomas Neal didn’t come anywhere near that type of output in the AFL last Fall.
So, the bat appears to be real (next year in the AA Eastern League will be the real test), but he still has to improve his glove at 2B to be considered a really top prospect.
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by Fla-Giant on Oct 26, 2025 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not yet drinking the kool aid
He still had a bad K:BB ratio (3:1) and the Cal league does inflate power. He’s the Giants best 2B prospect but he’s only #22 on Giants prospect list
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by Gobroks on Oct 27, 2025 4:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
His K and BB rate got steadily and significantly better all year long - without it affecting his power stroke. You’ve got to respect that.
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by Fla-Giant on Oct 27, 2025 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I do-his year was good enough to jump him ahead of Noonan and his upside pushes him ahead of Bond
That said, I need to see what he does in AA before totally buying in
Buster Posey>
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by Gobroks on Oct 27, 2025 2:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, Richmond is the real crucible. Good thing he’s still young enough that repeating a year in AA won’t be a big stumbling block. I agree with you that the odds still strongly favor that Culbie will crap out and never be anything more than a bit player in the majors.
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by Fla-Giant on Oct 27, 2025 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno
Scouts are really praising the development of his raw tools this year. Sounds like physical maturation has started to kick in. If he comes anywhere close to a .750 OPS in Richmond, we’re definitely in business. Even if he doesn’t, he’s still got a pretty decent shot as long as the tools are for real.
by mrkupe on Oct 29, 2025 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
KLaw on Culberson (taken from a McC post)
San Francisco second baseman Charlie Culberson has impressed at the plate while struggling in the field. The left-handed-hitting Culberson has quick hands and good hand-eye coordination, hitting line drives from the left-center gap over to right field; he doesn’t have much of a load in his hands or hips, but there could be more power there if they can improve his hip rotation. In the field, he’s shown some range to his left, but his hands are questionable and he doesn’t move as well to his right. The upside here is an offensive second baseman with at least big doubles power and a chance for 15-20 homers, but he’ll have to show he can stay at the position.
by TimLaser and MattyC on Oct 26, 2025 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Still holding out hope for Charlie
Mr Culberson is a RHH. Culberson is tearing up the AFL.
by wilriv21 on Oct 26, 2025 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Really
How do you take a review seriously when he gets such a fundamental aspect of his game wrong? Culberson has never been a LHH, never even a switch-hitter. Does that mean that KLaw meant to say that he’s shown some range to his right (instead of “shown some range to his left”)? It’s also strange that he doesn’t mention his arm, which is reportedly well above-average for a 2B.
BTW, this was Culbie’s 1st season at 2B, after 3 seasons at 3B, so it’s understandable he’s not as good going to his right just yet. Most 3B don’t get much practice ranging widely to their right due to the limits of the 3rd base line. Still, as KLaw correctly points out, Culbie’s hands are the main thing that are holding him back from being a highly-rated prospect. He’ll turn 22 next April and most likely be starting in the AA Eastern League. That will be the real test - especially considering the horrible hitter’s park he’ll be playing in at Richmond.
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by Fla-Giant on Oct 26, 2025 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Just a thought
I now wonder if KLaw got Culberson mixed up with Conor Gillaspie? They both are playing for the Scorpions in the AFL right now, they wear the same uniforms, are the same height, and have similar slim builds. Both have played in the same games together 3 times between Wednesday and Monday - Culberson at 2B and Gillaspie at 3B. Gillaspie hits strictly left-handed and has an issue with his hip rotation. The more I think of it, the more I recognize Gillaspie’s swing and hitting profile in the words that KLaw posted. That would be funny if he thought that he was watching Culberson at the plate when in actuality it was Gillaspie. We’ll probably never know, because I doubt KLaw will ever admit a mistake.
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by Fla-Giant on Oct 26, 2025 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Or, he just fat fingered it and hit the ‘L’ key instead of the ‘R’. I’ve never gotten the sense that the editors at ESPN, if such creatures exist, do much in the way of actual work.
by J. Michael Neal on Oct 27, 2025 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty fat finger, considering the L key is on your right hand and the R key on your left hand.
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by Roger on Oct 27, 2025 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Law was too busy thinking of his next snarky joke to be bothered with simple facts
by wilriv21 on Oct 27, 2025 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
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by Fla-Giant on Oct 27, 2025 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
A few names
Is that Posey guy gonna be any good?
Actually, I would enjoy hearing about Brandon Crawford, Michael Main, & Tommy Joseph.
Crawford—I liked him during his days at UCLA and thought he & Grant Green would have a similar path to the bigs. Seems that Green is on a much more accelerated track and is expected to have a better bat.
Main—a 1st round pick that seemed to be in over his head a little bit. Should I still have hope that he can be a #3 or #4 in the major leagues?
Joseph—He is a guy that was one of the exciting catchers of the 2009 draft along with Wil Myers & Max Stassi & Luke Bailey. Will Joseph be a guy that can stay at catcher long term and will his bat carry him to the majors?
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by Savoy on Oct 26, 2025 11:40 AM EDT reply actions
I consistently read on this site that Posey needs a lot of work on his D and that he will struggle to hit for power in the majors, so maybe they’ll try to ease him into the majors next season. LOL.
Seriously though, Crawford was on a much more accelerated path than Green until this season. Please remember that Crawford breezed through the Cal League in only a month last year, putting up better offensive numbers than Green did this year, all while he was 4 months younger than Green:
Crawford: .371/ 445/.600/1.045 with 6 HR (1 per 19.5 PA), 2 Trpl., 2 Dbl., K=27.3%, BB=8.5% in 117 PAs
G. Green: .318/.363/.520/.883 with 20 HR (1 per 29.6 PA), 6 Trpl., 39 Dbl., K=19.8%, BB=6.4% in 591 PAs
Add that to the fact that Crawford plays much better D at SS than Green, and that Green is currently laying a major egg in the AFL (while Crawford was above-average in the AFL last Fall), and I can’t get too excited about GG just yet. Let’s see how he handles life outside the friendly confines of the Cal League next year. Certainly he shouldn’t be (although we all know that he will be) ranked so much higher than Crawford by virtually everybody.
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by Fla-Giant on Oct 26, 2025 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Uh, you do realize that comparing 117 PA to 591 is complete rubbish, right?
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by PaulThomas on Oct 27, 2025 3:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Eh, I still prefer Crawford to Green
While Crawford has better D, I believe in Green’s bat more. (FWIW I wanted the Giants to take Green instead of Wheeler). Also I believe when Crawford was in the Cal league he had a BABIP of over .450
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by Gobroks on Oct 27, 2025 4:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ugh. I prefer Green to Crawford
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by Gobroks on Oct 27, 2025 4:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I have no problem with somebody making the case for Green being a better prospect than Crawford right now (I would put Green ahead of him myself) due to his slightly younger age, the much better K-rate, and the offensive struggles that Crawford has exhibited in AA the last 2 seasons. I was just saying that the difference in ranking shouldn’t be as huge as it’s going to be. Green is likely to be in everybody’s top 100, and even many top 50s, while Crawford will be most likely not be in anybody’s top 500. The difference between them is not that large, and I won’t buy Green’s bat until he proves himself outside of the Cal League. I also don’t think that Green will ever be as good defensively as Crawford is.
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by Fla-Giant on Oct 27, 2025 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
crawford
I recall Adam Foster having less-than-complimentary things to say about Crawford not too long ago. Something about physical maturation not doing good things for his baseball skills.
by mrkupe on Oct 27, 2025 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Some Sleepers
Juan Carlos Perez - had a very solid year, old for level, but had a knee injury, as I recall, when the Giants drafted him; good defensive CF w/ good offensive #s in the Cal League
Johnny Monell - Catcher w/ some good offensive potential
Edwin Escobar - young lefty w/ very good stuff; $350K signee by Rangers - traded for Ben Snyder
Marvin Barios - Very good stuff; very good year in the DSL; 6-figure bonus baby in 2009
Reinier Roibal - Cuban signee last year; very good arm; very limited action this year
Kendry Florez - power arm; very good year in AZ Rookie League
Don’t know if you consider or how you consider 2010 draftees, but lower-round picks from that draft include: Mike Kickham, Charles Jones, Heath Hembree, Chris Lofton, Jacob Dunnington (UFA), Jake Dunning & Brett Bochy.
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by tedfordfan on Oct 26, 2025 11:41 AM EDT reply actions
One guy that should generate serious discussion: Rafael Rodriguez
$2.55 M bonus baby; just repeated Rookie League, fighting injuries most of the year and didn’t do very well; still just 18 years old, very raw and has tools; Felipe Alou loves him as a prospect.
Lots of chatter on McCoveyChronicles by people who actually saw him in SS ball that he was lazy, uncoachable, had a terrible approach at the plate and didn’t show off many if any tools. Don’t really know what to think about him as a prospect right now.
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by tedfordfan on Oct 26, 2025 11:49 AM EDT reply actions
He's dead to me
Looking at pictures of his build and reading eyewitness accounts of his play just don’t lead to any type of projection IMO. Let’s not forget that he’s actually older than Chuckie Jones, who outshined RafRod by a mile while playing on the same team. The only tool that he’s ever displayed in a real game has been a slightly above-average ability to make contact with the ball. He’s a liability on defense and on the basepaths. Also, that injury was almost certainly a phantom injury to allow the Giants to demote him from the NWL to the AZ Rookie League. He played so poorly and lackadaisically in the NWL that they had to bench him. His supposed “injury” led to a “rehab” assignment in Scottsdale that lasted for the ramaining 2 months of the season. Mark my words, RafRod’s mega signing bonus will go down as one of the worst deals in IFA history - not counting injuries or run-ins with the law.
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by Fla-Giant on Oct 26, 2025 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Angel Villalona
Rafael Rodriguez
Possibly the organization can spend its $$$ bonus monies in Venezuela, Asia or even think outside the box and open up some baseball academies in Africa.
by wilriv21 on Oct 26, 2025 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
In AnVil’s defense, at least he put up some great power numbers over 2 full seasons in the USA while being the youngest player, by far, in both leagues. He probably was not going to be able to overcome his weight issues and lack of plate discipline in the long run, but he had a fighting chance to succeed - and it sure would have been fun following him as he tried. RafRod has yet to show even 1 iota of a spark on the field.
I think what happened with him was something that happens a lot in football and basketball. You get a high school kid, from a small town or rural area, that’s going to be physically big as an adult. Then from 13-15 years old he has a big early growth spurt and he ends up dwarfing his peers (even ones that are 2 years older than him). On the football field and/or on the basketball court he totatlly dominates because of his size and the lack of comparable competition, and everybody says what an athletic superstar he will be. Then he hits 17 or 18 and he stops growing. When he gets into a major collegefootball program he no longer is so much bigger than his teammates and competitors. On the playing field he turns out to be a bust because he actually wasn’t very athletically-gifted to begin with - he just seemed to be in comparison to his high school competition. He depended on his physical size and early maturity to dominate his peers, but can’t dominate once his more athletical competitors catch up to him in terms of growth and physical maturation. You see it all the time in college freshman entering their first year of competition in both football and basketball - especially among football linemen and basketball centers. The highly-touted freshman get benched in favor of a lesser-known player that turns out to be a real athlete.
I believe that’s RafRod’s story. He was around 6’4" tall and 180 lb. as a 15 year old in the DR. He physically towered over the vast majority of baseball players even 2 years older than him. He must have seemed like a golden god in comparison. However, he stopped growing soon before he hit 17 years old. He’s now 6’5", 198, but if you look at his body you see a scarecrow (especially his lower body) with very little musculature. His competitors are from all over the USA and the Caribbean, not just some tiny island, and they’ve physically matured and filled out. RafRod no longer can dominate them just by stepping on the field, and it turns out that he wasn’t actually as athetically gifted as we were once led to believe. He certainly isn’t anything like a 5-tool, or even a 4-tool, player. The Giants will be lucky if he truly is just a 2-tool player. That’s just pretty poor scouting if you ask me.
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by Fla-Giant on Oct 26, 2025 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Villalona certainly did NOT put up "great" power numbers
He was total junk even before the murder thing. The rare zero-tool player.
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by PaulThomas on Oct 27, 2025 3:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Amen
His numbers were resoundingly mediocre. The Giants stupidly rushed him to low-A in ‘08. Oh well, I guess he’s got bigger problems at the moment.
by royshowell on Oct 27, 2025 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
NIce try
Now for some facts. they kid that was “stupidly rushed to low-A in ‘08” had the following stats that year:
AnVil in 2008: .263/.312/.435/.747 with 17 HR and ISO=.172
the league average was:
Leaue avg.: .256/.323/.377/.700 with ISO=.120
So, you can see that he was hopelessly overmatched in that league -LOL.
Not to mention that he spent 80% of that season at the age of 17 (he would have just finished his junior year in high school), while the league average age was around 21.5 years. He was the youngest guy in his league by a huge amount.
Now, you could make a case that he was rushed to A+ ball in 2009, not that I would agree with you, but the numbers would show that he struggled in what is usually a hitter’s paradise before he was injured in July and had to sit out the rest of the season.
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by Fla-Giant on Oct 27, 2025 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
To complete the record, AnVil’s 2009 numbers in the Cal League were:
AnVil in 2009: .267/.306/.397/.704 with 9 HR and ISO=.130 (in 172 fewer AB’s)
the league average was:
Leaue avg.: .275/.344/.423/.766 with ISO=.148
So, you can see that he took a step back in 2009. Although, in his defense he was 18 years old for his entire season, while the league average age was 22.6 years. Also, he made adjustments and had a big uptick in his output in the 2nd half of 2008, but his injury in 2009 made him miss the last 7 weeks of the season and prevented us from seeing if he would have made a similar adjustment to the Cal League in 2009.
I’m not saying that AnVil was an uber-prospect that was assurred of success, but nobody can argue (with any amount of credibility) that he didn’t have (and produce) the power tool during his first 3 years of minor league ball in the USA. Even without excusing him for being so young in comparison to his competetitors. RafRod has not even come close to producing what AnVil did at the same age.
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by Fla-Giant on Oct 27, 2025 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
There is no way that you can possibly spin an ISO in the range of .150 as "great" power
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by PaulThomas on Oct 27, 2025 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
K/BB was 118 to 18 thought.
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by travdog6 on Oct 27, 2025 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Might be simply an issue of rhetorics. It’s hard to say Viilalona showed “great” power, when the same year he hit 17 HRs as a 17 year old there was an 18 year old who hit 39 HRs in the same league. Mike Stanton showed “great” power potential. Villalona’s more along the line of “interesting” or “encouraging” I think.
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by Roger on Oct 27, 2025 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
IMO
Latin America = crapshoot
Look at the biggest bonuses given, most don’t ammount to sh!t. Jackson Melian, Ricardo Arrombles, Angel Villalona, Wily Mo Pena, Joel Guzman, Rolondo Pascual, etc. etc. etc. forver. For every Miguel Cabrera there are 3-4 Jackson Melian’s. Hell, even Michael Ynoa is looking like a $6mil waste.
I don’t know why teams get into bidding wars down there. Its a waste. The draft even seems a safer bet to spend money.
Personally, I’d open up academies in new untapped areas. Africa (Ghana, South Africa), Barbados, St Kitts, and basically any poor 3rd world country with athletes that already speak English
by ScottAZ on Oct 27, 2025 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
$4.25M, actually
I dunno, it’s still peanuts compared to what teams pay for single seasons of various free agents. Even if Ynoa only had a 10% chance of making the majors, and in that 10% of the time was only a slightly above league-average player, it’d be worth it to sign him to that deal.
Comparing it to the draft is somewhat unfair because the draft is a cartel which depresses the signing prices of players. It’s more efficient, sure, but you only get 50 draft picks.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
by PaulThomas on Oct 27, 2025 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
but
you still have teams haggling over a $100,000 in the draft yet they throw away millions on 16 year old Dominicans that usually don’t amount to anything. Look at the Yankees and the Latin bonuses they hand out every year, yet they lost Gerrit Cole over $300,000
Latin American is no longer an economically efficient market. If I were a GM I would set up academies in unmined areas that have indigenous English speakers to ease the assimilation process such as Africa and the English speaking Carribean Islands. You could set up an academy in Ghana and literally sign kids for peanuts
by ScottAZ on Oct 27, 2025 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
there is still plenty of talent throughout the Caribbean and Latin America…..just need to spend wisely. The scout(s) who suggested sign Villalona and Rodriguez need to be reviewed. Character DOES count.
Agree with setting up fort in english speaking territories/countries as to ease the assimilation process of playing baseball in America. Am really surprised that Africa has not been “farmed” that much to date. They could find plenty of “diamonds” in Africa.
by wilriv21 on Oct 27, 2025 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I think that the scouting in the Caribbean leaves a lot to be desired. Also, a lot of these young kids from the poorer countries are controlled by “scouts”/“agents”/handlers that are really slimy and disreputable characters in their own right. I’m happy that the Giants have taken a step back from the big, splashy signings in the Caribbean over the last 2 years. I’d much rather see them sign a bunch of lesser-rated prospects at much lower bonuses and go for the quantity over quality approach.
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by Fla-Giant on Oct 27, 2025 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
No one recruits in Africa because most Africans are undernourished and have never played baseball
It’s not a fruitful athletic recruiting ground.
Most of the few athletes who overcome the insane poverty and destitution of Africa become soccer players or runners, because those sports are more popular (and far, far easier to learn to play cheaply) there.
Fact is, rich countries produce better athletes than poor countries because children in the rich countries generally get enough to eat as children. Children in poor countries often do not, and that has lifelong negative impacts on body and brain development. It’s a really horrible human-development problem, actually, but we can’t realistically look to baseball teams to solve it.
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by PaulThomas on Oct 30, 2025 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Eric Surkamp - injury ended his season, but very good K/9 numbers and good control. If healthy, he could do very well in the EL.
Hector Sanchez - seems to fly under the radar. haven’t heard much about his defense.
Jason Stoffell - had some meltdown moments but first pro season in high A wasn’t too shabby. If he could get his walks down….
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 26, 2025 12:10 PM EDT reply actions
Double-A
So far, it seems like most of the well regarded guys not named Belt are at the lower levels. I find myself wondering how much stock to put in solid but unspectacular batting performances in Richmond. The league and stadium seems to have been tough on hitters, and it is always a big jump to AA.
I want to believe that Neal is real - maybe he isn’t as good as his sparkling numbers last year, but a .799 OPS with lots of doubles and slightly improved strikeout rate seems to be a decent performance in AA. I would think he could contribute, even if not a star, from a corner OF position.
Gillaspie also gives me a little hope. None of his numbers in AA look great, but his bat was above average for the league, and his home runs were up in a worse HR environment. The walks need to go up, obviously.
I feel a bit like I’m grasping at straws, but it seems like there are some positives there. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Neal or Gillaspie put up some nice numbers in Fresno next season.
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by Ott on Oct 26, 2025 3:11 PM EDT reply actions
My big guy is Brock Bond. Two straight years (AA and AAA) with a .400+ OBP, and I’ve heard his defense at second is passable. Hits for a solid average, little power, average speed (again, anecdotal and second-hand) but the OBP would be excellent out of a 2B; the Yanks paid $5.5M for a very similar player in Nick Johnson (Johnson has more power, but plays first), and I personally think there ought to be room for a second baseman who can get on base as much as he does.
As weird as it is to pick a first-round draft choice as a sleeper, I think a lot of people are too low on Gary Brown. His floor is pretty high, and his ceiling is that of an occasional All-Star CF, and a perennial top-10 at his position. The guy sounds like a true leadoff hitter, which is something we don’t really have, at a position where we don’t have much depth (the infield, on the other hand…).
Nick Noonan has yet to put it together (his numbers this year were awful and continue to decline), but he once drew Chase Utley comparisons from a few people. There’s nothing encouraging there except pedigree, but hey.
Clayton Tanner’s peripherals were scary in AA this year, but he had a shiny ERA and the HR/9 rate was good. A move to Fresno may reveal the underlying problems with a switch to a more hitter-friendly park, but he’s got solid upside.
Jorge Bucardo’s probably not really a sleeper anymore, but he did have some awesome stats in A- before getting hit hard in San Jose.
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by quincy0191 on Oct 26, 2025 3:21 PM EDT reply actions
I am Bond fan as well. Having seen him play, his defense at 2B is above passable. He works the count well,has gap to gap power similar to F. Sanchez. and his OPB is better.
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by nvsfg on Oct 28, 2025 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Edwin Escobar
Seth Rosin
Charlie Culberson
Ehire Adrianza
Who is Ryan Verdugo? Kid is pitching in AFL
by wilriv21 on Oct 26, 2025 3:36 PM EDT reply actions
Verdugo is a LHP drafted in the 9th round or so in the great LHP draft of 2008 (Surkamp, Barnes, King & Verdugo in successive rounds). He throws hard and has had good K-rates, but hasn’t advanced quickly, so I don’t really know what to make of him. He’s interesting, though.
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by tedfordfan on Oct 26, 2025 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
The wildness has held him back. I think that the Giants have been keeping him in the lower leagues to work on his mechanics. But, he has the K-rate and the ability to miss bats (he has never had a BAA of over .196 in any of his 3 minor league seasons) on par with what Jonathan Sanchez was putting up in the minors. Now, Verdugo won’t be a starter, but he has a real future coming out of the pen with his type of stuff.
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by Fla-Giant on Oct 26, 2025 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Looking at Verdugo’s stats it shows he only has started one game…….with SJ this season. He now is starting in the AFL……..are you sure the organization has no plans to convert Verdugo into a starter?
The organization has sent Stoffel and Paterson to AFL and they are being used in relief. Does the organization want Verdugo to get more work in so they want him starting n AFL and to pitch against top competition?
by wilriv21 on Oct 26, 2025 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, he’s starting, but he’s going no more than 3 innings per start (obviously by plan - not due to the game situation). I think that they are just using this as a way to stretch him out and see if he can learn how to better control and harness his stuff. It’s also likely that they want to see how he does against the other teams’ top hitters before the replaecements start coming in during the later innings. I highly doubt that they see him as a starter going forward.
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by Fla-Giant on Oct 26, 2025 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Verdugo
LSU alum, and LHP, with a double digit K/9 rate throughout his entire 3 pro seasons pitching out of the pen. And he’s continuing it by putting up a K/9 of 11.3 through 3 starts in the AFL. But, like many with his type of stuff, he has big problems with the BB’s.
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by Fla-Giant on Oct 26, 2025 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
My top sleepers
For the pupose of this post, I’ll define “sleepers” as prospects that were drafted beyond the 6th round in 2010 (or previous years) and weren’t highly-rated or talked about, or guys that were highly-drafted in past years, but that have dropped in previous rankings due to performance and/or injury issues. These are ranked in order from best to lesser.
1. Chuckie Jones (CF):
The experts at Baseball America just named Jones as having the Best Pro Debut (out of High School) of any player in the entire 2010 draft. That’s pretty heady stuff. It might be stretching things to label this 7th round pick in the 2010 draft as a sleeper, but I honestly believe that only baseball people and devoted Giants fans know anything about this exciting kid. He has already proven that he can hit with a wooden bat and can translate his + raw power potential into actual game-time power – all while playing half the season at the tender age of 17 (he turned 18 on July 28th). He is a true 5-tool talent and physical specimen (6’3", 235) that already has the build and athleticism to play running back or linebacker in the NFL (believe it or not - he was a QB in high school). He tied for the most HRs in the minors for any 2010 high school draftee. He played 46 games (starting 90 % of them in CF) in the AZ Rookie League and put up the following batting stats in 165 ABs:
.279/.360/.461/.820 with 5 HRs and an ISO=.182.
He did K almost 32% of the time, but he also walked at a 10.5% clip, so he’s not entirely an unrepentant hacker at the plate. His K-rate soared in the 4 weeks after he went on a HR-hitting binge during an 11 game stretch in June, and then decreased dramatically the rest of the season, so he showed the ability to make the necessary adjustments after being seduced to swing for the fences for a short period of time. Reportedly, he needs to shorten his swing, learn to hit the curveball, and learn to take better routes to the ball in the OF. But he proved that he could “go get the ball” in CF in Scottsdale and the Giants believe that he can stick in CF despite his size. If he can, then his comp could be a big, power-hitting CF in the mold of Andruw Jones.
2. Eric Surkamp (LHP):
He’s a good-sized (6’4", 190) lefty starter with a consistent and long history of elite K-rates in his entire 3 seasons of minor league ball (300 Ks in 249.2 innings = K/9 of 10.8). He also doesn’t walk many batters (BB/9 = 2.3), so his K/BB is an eye-popping 4.5. On the other hand, he doesn’t throw very hard (FB sits in high 80s), he is already 23.3 years old, he’s never pitched above A+ ball, and he’s coming off a hip injury that completely derailed his 2010 season after only 2.5 months and 101 innings.
3. Charlie Culberson (2B):
He made huge strides this year at the plate, and even a bit in the field. After 2 full seasons of anemic slugging, he finally found his power stroke (16 HRs and ISO=.167), despite injuring his thumb in late June. He also cut way down on his Ks in the last 2/3rds of the season. He just turned 21.5 years old, so he’s still young for his league (and will be when he starts in the EL next spring). He has shown that his hot-hitting wasn’t just a Cal League mirage by slashing .514/.541/.857/1.398 with 2 HR, 6 Dbl., and only 5 K (13.2%) in 38 PA’s and 8 games in the AFL this Fall (yes, it’s an extremely SSS). On the other hand, he still has limitations with his D, but a permanent switch from 3B to 2B this season seems to have given him more peace of mind and his D did improve in 2010. He has the potential to be a Dan Uggla-like power-hitting 2B in the majors who plays below-average D. He also has the footspeed and baserunning smarts to be an above average basestealer (25 of 32 attempts in 2010, 15 of 19 in 2009).
4. Dan Burkhart ( C ):
Alex Wimmers’s catcher in college and a 10th round pick in the 2010 draft. He’s always had a good rep for his D behind the plate, and he threw out a huge percentage of baserunners in college. His bat was a question mark coming out of college in 2010, but he had a good first month with the wooden bat as a pro in the AZL and NWL after signing late. He slashed .329/.404/.439/.843 in 82 ABs. I see him as a potentially valuable backup to Buster Posey in 2 years, or as trade bait.
5. Reinier Roibal (RHP):
One of the top young pitchers in Cuba before his defection in 2009, he signed with the Giants in April of 2010 and saw only very limited action (9 games and 9 innings with a K/9=14.5) out of the pen in the AZ Rookie League. He’s got good size (6’2", 210) and those that saw him pitch in Cuba report that he has electric stuff when he’s on his game. I can’t wait to see him in 2011 after a full offseason under his belt. On the negative side, he’ll turn 22 in the middle of January next year.
6. Brandon Allen (RHP):
A tall (6’6", 190), athletic (a star power forward on his high school team) kid (just turned 19 in the middle of August). The Giants drafted him in the 18th round out of a small high shool in central Florida and he signed at the end of June. The Giants were working on his mechanics and stamina so he only got in a mere 6 innings over 5 games in the AZ Rookie League this summer. He’s got a dogged competitve streak and strong bloodlines. His father played several years for the Sacremento Kings in the NBA, and his older brother is on the Univ. of Florida basketball team. Basketball was his first love, so he’s never fully concentrated on baseball or pitching. Because of this he’s very raw, but has a huge upside. He already throws his FB in the low-90s and it has touched 94.
7. Jacob Dunnington (RHP):
He’s still growing and maturing physically, despite being 19.7 at the end of the minor league season this year. He has good height and a projectable frame (6’2", 160) to fill out even more in the future. He had a growth spurt and a big jump in his FB velocity (about 5 MPH into the mid 90s) in the summer after he graduated from high school in Washington. The Giants signed him as an undrafted free agent in Sept. 2009. He finally made his pro debut while working out of the pen in the AZ Rookie League starting in June of this year. He dominated the league and had fantastic statistical results in 17 games and 29 innings: Runs=2, K/9=14.1, K/BB=3, BAA=.109, WHIP=.87. I’d love to see the Giants stretch him out as a starter next year.
8. Kendry Flores (RHP):
An 18 year old (DOB=11/24/91) IFA from the Dominican. Flores just finished his 2nd pro season and his 1st based in the USA. The skinny and lanky 6’2", 175 lb. hurler has room to grow. He reportedly has an electric, but erratic, fastball that he throws in the 90-94 range, and touches 95. He already has a plus changeup and a good feel for a slurvey breaking ball. Like the vast majority of young pitchers, he needs to work on his stamina and his consistency, but he improved almost all of his peripheral stats over his 1st pro season in the DSL. In 13 games and 11 starts these are the stats that stand out to me:
IP=55, K/9=9.2, BB/9=2.1, K/BB=4.3, BAA=.241, GA/AO=1.27, WHIP=1.13 and only 2HRs
9. Jake Dunning (RHP):
He’s a former college SS (2009 draftee) that finally converted to full-time pitching out of the pen this season in tne ss-A Northwest League. In 18 games and 37 innings he posted excellent results – with a K/9=11.3, K/BB=6.0, GO/AO=1.82, and a WHIP=1.04. He has the size (6’4", 190), velocity (sits 92-93 mph and touches 95), and control (only 8 BBs in 37 innings) to excel as a closer or setup man in the majors – he just needs some time to develop his craft after being a position player for 95% of the time in his college years and first pro year. On the negative side, he already turned 22 in August.
10. Stephen Harrold (RHP)
A 2010 12th rounder out of UNC-Wilmington. The 6’1", 200 lb., 21 year old (DOB=3/12/89) pitched so well out of the pen in his first 10 days in Scottsdale of the AZ Rookie League that he was quickly promoted to NWL Salem in the ss-A. He relies mainly on a FB that sits 90-92, and an average-plus slider. He had very good stats this year:
G=22, IP=30, ERA=2.10, K/9=10.2, BB/9=2.1, K/BB=4.9, BAA=.202, GA/AO=1.3, WHIP=.97
11. Caleb Hougesen (3B):
Hougesen (6’1", 215 lb.) was a 3-sport star (football, basketball and baseball) in high school who never fully concentrated on baseball. Even so, the 18 year old (DOB=11/1992) was still the best player on his team and he was named to the all-state team in his senior year. Besides starting and starring at 3B for his team, he also was the top pitcher and led his team to the Indiana state sectional title. He ended upthis season hitting .548 with 15 HRs, 6 doubles, 4 triples, 45 runs, 45 RBI, and 16 SBs while finishing with an 8-5 record and a 2.62 ERA (striking out 86 in 58.2 innings). He signed at the August deadline and didn’t make his pro debut in 2010, although he is playing in the AIL this Fall. If the Giants assign him to Augusta in the SAL next April, then you’ll know that he’s made big strides in the offseason, if he’s held back in short-season ball, then it will likely be a longer slog.
12. Carlos Willoughby (2B):
A 21 year old (DOB=11/12/1988) IFA from the Colombia. Willoughby just finished his 4th pro season and his 1st based in the USA. The 5’10", 170 lb. switch-hitter is whippet-quick and very fast. He applies incredible pressure on the opposing team while at the bat and on the basepaths. He has stolen 114 out of 137 bases (83%) in 218 games during his first 4 years as a pro. As an added bonus, his splits hitting RH vs. LH are very similar across the board, which is unique for a young prospect. He does need to increase his BB-rate, and decrease his K-rate (reportedly he’s susceptible to high heat) going forward. In 45 games and 176 ABs this season he put up the following stats
.295/.372/.432/.804 with 6 Trpl., 9 Dbl., 1 HR (inside-the-park), BB=8.6%, K=18.2%, SB=23/27 (85%)
13. Nick Liles (2B):
A 7th round pick in the 2009 draft. He just finished his 2nd, and first full, season of pro ball in the low-A SAL. The 6’, 165 lb. rightie turned 23 in July (DOB=7/23/87), so he’s old for his league. He’s always been a good hitter for contact and average, but he generates very little power. The Giants played him in the OF his first 2 seasons, but appear to be prepping him to move back to the IF (he played 2B in his senior year of college) to play 2B. That will give him at least a possible path to the majors. I could see him as a David Eckstein-type utilily infielder (not at SS) and spot startrer if everything falls into place for him. For the season he did the following in 512 AB’s:
.316/.361/.387/.747 with 28 Dbl., 4 Trpl., 0 HR and BB=6.5%, K=11%, and 29/40 SBs (72.5%)
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by Fla-Giant on Oct 26, 2025 6:50 PM EDT reply actions
Oops
For some reason I forgot to list Ryan Verdugo. As I posted several spots above, he is an intriguing LH reliever with way above-average K/9 and BAA rates. He needs to harness his wildness to be an effective major leaguer. I’d slip him in at #10 on my top list - between Jake Dunning and Stephen Harrold.
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by Fla-Giant on Oct 26, 2025 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Chuckie
I watched Chuckie play in the AzL and IMO he will outgrow OF and eventually have to move to 1B. The kid is 17 and probably already pushes 250 pounds. He is athletic for his size, but in 3-4 years the kid is going to be Ryan Howard/David Ortiz.
As long as he mashes that shouldn’t be a problem, and in 4 years it will be easier to move Brandon Belt to RF than have a 250-260 pound guy chugging around out there, especially in San Fran’s big OF
by ScottAZ on Oct 27, 2025 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree
And so do all the scouts that I’ve read. Your entitled to your opinion, but in order for it to carry some weight you need to back it up with some facts. Jones is so much more athletic and graceful than Howard and Ortiz ever were. Unless he turns into a total couch potato and eats like a pig over the next 10 years, I don’t see his body going in that direction at all. Yes, he’s a big kid, but he’s not fat - that’s muscle under his uni. At the size that he is now, he was the quarterback on his high school football team - and he was good. Howard and Ortiz and guys like them could never have done that even in their prime - they just didn’t ever have Jones’s pure athleticism.
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by Fla-Giant on Oct 27, 2025 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Have you ever seen him play?
Have you ever seen him in person or just pictures on the internet?
Have any of the supposed “expert” prospect websites actually seen him play or are they just making assumptions based off second hand information of eye witness accounts mixed with statistics and sabermetrics?
I have watched the kid play very recently in person. He is VERY large for a 17 year old. He has a larger frame at 17 then my best friend that played offensive line in NFL Europe.
He has the type of frame that will gain weight very, very, very easily.
How much weight did you gain between the ages of 17 to 22? When I was 17 I weighed about 175 and at 22 I was 235. Jones has a much larger frame than I had.
He might be very athletic. He might flash very good speed for a big man. But he’s 17. He will gain weight. He will weigh 260-270 by the time he is 25
by ScottAZ on Oct 27, 2025 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
that's a lot of emphasis to place on what seems like opinion
Some big framed guys gain weight as they get into their 20s. Not all of them. I was 6-2 at age 13, haven’t really put on any significant weight since I was 18ish. And I’m certainly not a professional athlete. I know that’s just anecdotal evidence, but then again so is what you’ve put forth.
I don’t think you can make judgments based purely on what a guy looks like coupled with his age. You’d need to know a lot more— genetics, how quickly he developed, whether he’s still growing, etc. etc. And even then you’d want to know about his personality— is he a gym rat? How conscious is he of dietary/nutritional stuff and is he disciplined in implementing what he knows into his everyday life? We’re making a lot of assumptions here, basically.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Oct 27, 2025 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
True
but this enitre website is based off opinion. Thats what scouts/coaches/GMs do, make decisions based off informed opinions. I’ve been around athletes my entire life. I had the luxury to play both college baseball and DI college football. The frame that the Jones kid has is one that I have seen just get bigger and bigger. I could be wrong, but I’d be willing to bet I’m right. I guess time will tell, just like it does for every Rookie/Instruct League players
by ScottAZ on Oct 27, 2025 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
OK, so let me get this straight. You’re basing your entire opinion on the fact that you’ve seen Jones play in AZ 2 or 3 times just recently, the fact that you packed on the pounds after you turned 18, and the fact that you know some football players that look like Jones when they were younger and they gained a lot more weight after that? Let me apologize for having initially doubted you. I did not realize that you had the amazing ability to look at somebody, that you’ve never seen before in your entire life, from at least 100 feet away - while he’s wearing a baggy uniform - and be able to predict with such a degree of certainty what their size and weight will be 2-7 years down the road. That’s such a unique gift that I think you should try to capitalize on it. You should become a consultant, or do your own act on the Las Vegas Strip - you could make a lot of money at it if you can develop a good line of patter. Did you take courses on it at school, or is it a genetic thing that you were just born with? And can you cite any other predictions that you’ve made along the same lines that turned out correctly?
Meanwhile, in the real world, the people that actually do that sort of predicting for a living, and have a track record of making successful predictions disagree with you. His high school coach, the head, and area, scout of the St. Louis Cardinals, many of the professionals that populate the Giants’ scouting and player development departments, and independent scouts have been reported on a first- or second-hand basis to believe that he will stick in CF. Most of these veterans have many years in the business and are intimately familiar with Jones on a daily or weekly basis. They know his history, they have been following him since the summer of 2009 (if not longer), and many of them have seen the results of his physical exams and are familiar with his medical history. However, these guys are all quacks and you’ve convinced me with your rigorous and impressive reasoning that you’re the expert whose opinion I should follow.
To answer 1 of your questions, no, I haven’t seen Jones in person. However, I have seen 3 videos of him in action, including one from the fall of 2009 when he had only been 17 for less than 3 months. I have also seen multiple clear and up-close photos of him in action, and in uniform, from AZ over the last 3 months. I don’t see that he has gained any height in that time frame, and I don’t see any appreciable change in his body mass. That’s one of the main things that your analysis is missing. You’ve seen him few times recently, but you’ve never seen him before now, so you have no point of reference on which to base your opinion on. If you had seen him last year and noticed that now he was much bigger and heavier then you might have a leg to stand on. Everybody grows at different rates. RafRod hasn’t grown an inch, or put on more than a few pounds since he turned 17 (even though he was a huge 6’5" and 190 lb. at 17). I have a brother that is 2.5 years older than me. He never grew another inch, or put on more than 5 extra pounds after he turned 17 years of age. I, on the other hand, had a (relatively) huge growth spurt of 3.5 inches during the summer after I graduated from high school when I turned 18. If you were to compare the 2 of us from our senior year pictures or could go back in time and compare us, we looked very different in terms of size, features and even facial similarities. By the time we both were 20, we looked so much alike that people (even friendly acquaintances) would often confuse one of us for the other. If you could go back and look at Chuckie Jones’s physical growth in the past 12 months, I think most would come to the conclusion that he has already reached his maximum height, and could actually begin to even lose some body mass as he matures and loses the last bit of his “baby fat”.
To answer your 2nd question, I did gain about 25% more weight after I turned 17, but as I stated above, I had a huge growth spurt around the age of 18. I haven’t put on more than 10 pounds (off and on - it’s all related to lack of activity) since 3 months after my 18th birthday - and I’m way past the age of 40 now. However, I know more than a handful of guys (including my older brother) that never gained any noticeable weight or mucularity after they turned 17.
One last thing. You keep on referring a lot of your opinions on what football players (college and pro) did. That’s not a good comparison, as most football players that I know, and read about, strive to put on weight and muscle mass on a constant basis. They’re always on a weight-lifting and weight-gain program to make themselves bigger, faster and stronger. Not to mention that the majority of the linemen actually go out of their way to eat a diet to get big (and even fat) to make themselves more competitive. I don’t see Jones as being a guy that’s going to go that route.
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by Fla-Giant on Oct 27, 2025 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
gotta go with ScottAZ on this one
Dude knows his stuff. And has actually seen the player in question up close. He’s got an opinion and it’s very clearly backed up by observations.
by mrkupe on Oct 29, 2025 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Deep Sleeper
Jose Valdez-RHP. He was 22 in Augusta this year, and posted 68 Ks in 60 IP. He also has an intimidating build at 6’7 250. He needs to work on his command but with his size and K numbers I wouldn’t be shocked if he turned into a back of the bullpen guy.
Buster Posey>
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
by Gobroks on Oct 27, 2025 5:04 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
He was out of action for a long time (more than a year). What went wrong - did he have Tommy John surgery?
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by Fla-Giant on Oct 27, 2025 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure, but it wouldn't surprise me
I should add that Valdez wouldn’t be anywhere near my top 40. Just an intriguing guy
Buster Posey>
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
by Gobroks on Oct 27, 2025 2:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He’s never been able to stay healthy before this year.
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by tedfordfan on Oct 27, 2025 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Chris Dominguez
Not pushing for him to be in the top-20, just curious of the impression others get from him. All I know is he has awesome power and wavering plate discipline, and is likely bound for 1B.
by dbreer23 on Oct 27, 2025 3:56 PM EDT reply actions
and is likely bound for 1B. the mound.
When the Giants selected the kid in the third round there was some talk about Dick Tidrow wanting to get his hands on Dominguez.
by wilriv21 on Oct 27, 2025 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
They should start the transition now
Buster Posey>
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
by Gobroks on Oct 27, 2025 4:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I would like to see if CD improves in 2011 as a hitter prior to having him toe the rubber
by wilriv21 on Oct 27, 2025 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh, I think the Cal league will improve his power
And he could put up a .270/.315/.485 year, and the Giants will then send him to AA. If he struggles at AA then he’ll already be 26…I just think he’s better as a pitching prospect than a 3B
Buster Posey>
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
by Gobroks on Oct 27, 2025 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
The only 2 things that will make me think more highly of CD next year in the Cal League will be a significant decrease in his K-rate, and a marked improvement in his overall D at 3B (especial on throws to 1B).
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
by Fla-Giant on Oct 27, 2025 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
His D did improve
BA rated him as the best defensive 3B in the SAL
Buster Posey>
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
by Gobroks on Oct 27, 2025 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Where did they do that?
This is from the SAL top 20:
He also has well above-average arm strength and moves well for a big man, giving him a chance to stick at third base. His speed on the basepaths is fringe average.
Basically the same thing we knew when he was coming out of college.
http://bullpenbanter.com/
by jar75 on Oct 28, 2025 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions
In the best tools survey
http://www.baseballamerica.com/online/prospects/best-tools/2010/2610519.html
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Buster Posey>
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
by Gobroks on Oct 29, 2025 4:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Those are compiled just through managers' votes though
I really have a hard time putting much of any stock into BA’s best tools.
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by jar75 on Oct 29, 2025 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Not a fan
As a 23 y/o he should’ve dominated the SAL, but he didn’t. He did make some strides defensively, but yeah I’m not high on him at all.
Buster Posey>
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
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Clayton Tanner
3rd starter celling 5th starter floor, gotta love the kid
by EricDJohnson on Oct 28, 2025 7:10 PM EDT reply actions
floor?
I liked his potential, but given his struggles wouldn’t his floor be never making the majors?
by wcw on Oct 29, 2025 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah he has a lower floor than that
Given his horrid BB/K
Buster Posey>
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
by Gobroks on Oct 29, 2025 4:20 AM EDT up reply actions
His K rate sucks but he hides the ball well leading to lots of weak contact. He’ll get to the show no doubt
by EricDJohnson on Nov 2, 2025 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
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