You're the GM! San Francisco Giants Edition
You woke up this morning to find that you are now GM of the San Francisco Giants.
You're team is 39-32, in second place in the NL West. What changes do you make, if any, to improve the team for the stretch run? What kind of trades are you looking for? Who do you promote from the minors? Longer-term, do you do anything different with the draft starting next year? Free agents to target?
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I Like Where I'm At!
Right now, I like where I’m at offensively. I’m going to keep my eyes open for a power bat, since I don’t know how long Burrell will hit (though I’m confident he will). I’d want a guy to put at a corner OF spot or 1B, since I’d be giving Bruce Bochy flexibility (Posey can catch, Huff can play 1B, etc.).
What I’m really looking to do is add a RP or two, and a #5 starter. I like the back-end of my bullpen, but I want to stay in games if I have to go there in the 5th/6th inning, or extras.
Long-term, I’m looking to bring in some high-ceiling prospects, balanced with a few polished, high-floor pieces. An NCAA pitcher who will move quick and fill an innings-eater spot will be nice (Lincecum/Cain/Zito will eat up most of my $$ for pitching). Ditto for the SS position (Renteria isn’t long for there). I feel pretty good about the OF long-term with guys like Neal, Kieschnick, etc. just a couple years away. With Posey C and Sandoval likely moving to 1B soon, my concern is the other side of the IF.
by Domino427 on Jun 25, 2025 2:23 PM EDT reply actions
I call the Brewers' GM
And make him an offer for Prince Fielder he can’t refuse.
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by Mets2k9 on Jun 25, 2025 2:27 PM EDT reply actions
What does that offer include though?
Wouldn’t it pretty much have to include Matt Cain, Jonathan Sanchez or Madison Bumgarner?
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by Satchel Price on Jun 25, 2025 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd offer them, happily
Bumgarner and a package around him.
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by Mets2k9 on Jun 25, 2025 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
that is workable
but as soon as you say Cain. CLICK!
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by fourfingerwoo on Jun 25, 2025 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think I'd do that.
Maybe a couple of years ago when we could cost control Prince for a couple of years but now he’s just a rent a player for a year and half. He is looking for a big money, long term contract, probably now based around the average annual value of the one Ryan Howard just signed. Coupled with the fact that the only comps for him are Mo Vaughn and Jaba the Hut, he looks as if he is not going to age well once he enters year 30. He is probably looking for about 6/7 years at 23/25 mil per year and I am not willing to take that much of a risk while at the same time depleting my farm system of top prospects (of which the Giants do not have many), probably giving up Cain, and lock up 45 million, at the least, to two players.
by lions1 on Jun 25, 2025 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean
According to Baseball Reference, the following are the top comps for fielder at age 25:
1. Juan Gonzalez (928)
2. Eddie Murray (918) *
3. Jim Rice (907) *
4. Jose Canseco (904)
5. Darryl Strawberry (903)
6. Will Clark (901)
7. Bob Horner (895)
8. Frank Thomas (891)
9. Mark Teixeira (891)
10. Kent Hrbek (890)
I mean, that’s a damn impressive list. I’m happy to hedge my bets on Fielder. Let’s also not act like the Giants are exactly a small market team here. They can afford to shell out big bucks to Fielder.
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by Mets2k9 on Jun 25, 2025 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the question is,
“Is it worth it to give up all of that talent now so we can spend big bucks to retain Fielder later?”
Why not just give up some lesser talent for Adam Dunn, who’s really not that far off from Fielder and should cost a fraction of Fielder’s price? I mean, Dunn is pretty handily out-playing Prince so far in 2010 anyways.
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by Satchel Price on Jun 25, 2025 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I like this
Plug Dunn into their lineup.
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by David Tokarz on Jun 25, 2025 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
for neal and and A+ pitcher
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by fourfingerwoo on Jun 25, 2025 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Is that really the pertinent question?
Your question is close, but the correct one to ask is this.
Why give up valuable pieces of our future for a player that is almost 100% certain to leave via free agency after the 2011 season?
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by Fla-Giant on Jun 25, 2025 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
The funny thing about this is...
that is measures only their offense through age 25. Do you notice that each one of those guys on the list (with the exception of Frank Thomas) was in extremely good shape and really solidly built. You will find no one on this site or anywhere that will argue with you that up to this point Prince has been fantastic, but I am not willing to mortgage so much of my future when he inevitably falls apart. And if we do imagine that he ages extremely well, I, from a philosophical standpoint, would rather be the GM that didn’t set my team back for years with an albatross of a contract than the one that did not sign a player who turned out to continue to be great even though there were major concerns about how he’d age because of his weight and body type.
Again, those comps that you gave are for past performance, but we do need to take into account the fact that he doesn’t look like any of those players and might be relegated to DH, of which there is none in the NL, halfway through the contract.
Also, if I were to take the gamble, I think I’d just wait the extra year and look for an alternative until then.
by lions1 on Jun 25, 2025 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but
Fielder’s value isnt now what it was projected to be. With his down year so far, he has a surplus value of only about $15 million or so, compared with $28 at the start of the year. His bad season has dropped his value in half in about half the time that it should have.
Doug Melvin isnt very smart, but he is probably going to hold out for a mega deal for Fielder, but realistically should hold out for a deal that includes 2 high mpact starters currently in A ball. And for Milwaukee, a Cain for Fielder deal doesnt really solve their problems, it just creates one hole while filling another.
Sad thing is that if Fielder were having the type of season he was “supposed” to, the Breweers could have received about 4 high upside pitchers or one really highly ranked prospect and a few other lower level guys with high upside. Now they should probably only get a one for one big prospect for Fielder, or tow lower level ones.
by backtocali on Jun 25, 2025 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I go out and get a real bat, not depend on flash in the pan performances. Pitching isn’t going to be cheap for long, turn your prospects into offense and make a run.
by The_Bunk on Jun 25, 2025 2:31 PM EDT reply actions
I'd call Dan O'Dowd . . .
and see what it would take to get Seth Smith or Dexter Fowler.
by Randolph314 on Jun 25, 2025 3:00 PM EDT reply actions
Probably couldn't trade reasonably for either.
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by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 25, 2025 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
You are correct, sir!
No way the Rox would trade us anybody good unless it was hugely advantageous for their team. Intra-division and all that, you know.
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by Fla-Giant on Jun 25, 2025 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Seth Smith
not so pretty away from The Thin Air…… Rough splits
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by jrose643 on Jun 25, 2025 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
The time is NOW
The Giants have the pitching RIGHT NOW to win a championship. All it should really take is getting to the playoffs to see them go far, and some of the needs that they need to address is ultimately 1B. I would not mind if the Giants went after Prince Fielder and possibly package Bumgarner and John Bowker. As I Giants fan it would be tough to get rid of Bumgarner but Fielder would be a HUGE addition to the team. I I am also a big John Bowker fan, and I am sick of the Giants not giving him a legitimate chance in the MLB. Everytime the recall him from the minors they let him get about 70 AB’s and not like what they see and send him back down. If the Giants are able to acquire Fielder they should be the favorites to take over the NL West. Also, why not try and get David Aardsma back on our team and have an outstanding back end of the bullpen. It would be great to see Aardsma/Wilson shutting the door.
Looking back on the trade last year at the deadline of Tim Alderson and Freddy Sanchez I am very ecstatic in having Sanchez on my team.
As far as the future drafting this team really needs to get more pure hitters with actual plate discipline. The Giants have been doing an outstanding job in picking out pitching prospects, but haven’t had many hitters outside of Sandoval and now Posey in the last 5 or so years. Especially since hitters “hate” hitting at AT&T park for some odd reason they need to do a better job in that category.
by smay24 on Jun 25, 2025 3:25 PM EDT reply actions
MadBum to the rescue, Panda to OA
For the stretch run, I would call-up MadBum and start him every 5th day, dropping JoeMart. I would also drive the Panda straight to an Overeaters Anonymous meeting.
I would not trade any of the pitching. I like them. The offense could use some help, but I think they will be fine with the great SP and pen we have.
Longer-term, I keep drafting the same way. I would sign a big bat (outfielder) as a free agent next year. I need a big lefty to send baseballs into the Bay. I want that excitement back we had when Barry came to the plate.
Play ball!
by tmannino on Jun 25, 2025 3:25 PM EDT reply actions
If I'm Brian Sabean...
…I start by firing me.
by royshowell on Jun 25, 2025 3:36 PM EDT reply actions
The post is if you were hired to be the GM then you wouldn’t have to worry about Sabean!!
by smay24 on Jun 25, 2025 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
He should still fire Sabean, just to be on the safe side.
by ThomasG on Jun 26, 2025 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL. I agree
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by Gobroks on Jun 26, 2025 6:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I keep sending incriminating photos to Mrs. McCourt.
by Humbled Fan on Jun 25, 2025 3:40 PM EDT reply actions
Just kidding.
I keep the phone ringing off the hook for the following players:
Josh Willingham
Kelly Johnson
Brett Myers
David DeJesus
Preferably DeJesus for a couple prospects. If not, Luke Scott or Kevin Millwood wouldn’t be too bad.
by Humbled Fan on Jun 25, 2025 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
what do you think a fair deal for David would be?
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by doublestix on Jun 25, 2025 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Good question.
I am not that familiar with the Giants B-level prospects. Tim Alderson last year sounds about right. I’d go with a B and a C- if they’d accept that. Willing to go B-, C+.
by Humbled Fan on Jun 25, 2025 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
The Royals probably don't take that.
With the value he gives and his relatively cheap contract you have to give more than scraps for DeJesus.
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by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 25, 2025 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Johnson
Like the idea of getting Kelly Johnson.
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by TFelsmaier on Jun 25, 2025 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Initially I would check into the status of Cliff Lee. Would be willing to package a deal around Jonathan Sanchez and prospects. The Giants could possibly receive compensation picks after offering Lee arbitration in the winter. Next season Madison Bumgarner should be ready to take a place in the rotation.
From the offensive side Pablo Sandoval is key. The organization must get Sandoval back in form with his hitting and slugging. A revived Sandoval changes the entire lineup. I like the addition of Pat Burrell to the lineup.
The team lacks team speed so as long as Andres Torres is contributing he remains at the top of the lineup.
There is little if any help at the high minors:
Madison Bumgarner is only 20 yrs old, first season in 5-man rotation and still developing so I would not rush.
John Bowker is currently blocked by another LHH Nate Schierholtz. I would do my best to not trade Bowker.
Manny Burriss can play middle infield and could help with his speed.
AA Richmond squad has no one who can help the Giants at this time.
Possible trade target:
David DeJesus
Jose Guillen
by wilriv21 on Jun 25, 2025 7:16 PM EDT reply actions
Guillen would be a nice target
Especially if the Royals are willing to take a mediocre prospect- you avoid morgaging the future for the present.
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by David Tokarz on Jun 25, 2025 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
No thanks on Guillen
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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by baetown415 on Jun 25, 2025 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Congratulations, you ARE Brian Sabean!
Guillen is the quintessential Sabean acquisition. (Which of course also means it’s a bad idea…)
by realitypolice on Jun 28, 2025 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm
Wonder if there’s a market for Bengie Molina- if you can pull a decent hitter back for him on a bad/mediocre contract swap and move Posey permanently to catcher…
Otherwise, I’d probably go for a corner OF bat and a middle infielder. Maybe call the O’s and inquire on Ty Wigginton (he can’t be that much, can he?).
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by David Tokarz on Jun 25, 2025 7:31 PM EDT reply actions
If I ran the Giants
1st move I make is I fire Bruce Bochy.
2nd move is I try to trade Bengie Molina, but if there are no takers I DFA him and make Buster Posey the everyday catcher.
I move Aubrey Huff back to 1st and recall John Bowker and make him the starting LF-or possibly platoon him with Burrell.
Then I try and look for another OF-maybe David DeJesus or Luke Scott
I would also try and fine a solid #5 starter and another reliever to sure up the bullpen-Maybe try and get Zach Duke and Octavio Dotel from the Pirates.
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by Gobroks on Jun 25, 2025 8:25 PM EDT reply actions
The first move I would make is to get rid of Molina
That would be a massive addition by subtraction
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by baetown415 on Jun 25, 2025 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Logo
I’d start using the old-school cursive logo at the top of this post more. And dump Molina into McCovey Cove.
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by jrose643 on Jun 25, 2025 10:54 PM EDT reply actions
How would you refill all the water that Molina’s belly-flop would splash out of the Bay?
Or, even more appropriately, how would you deal with the flooding of AT&T Park that would occur after the huge sea-level rise that Molina’s dumping in the Bay would cause?
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by Fla-Giant on Jun 25, 2025 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
good point you bring up.
You think Bengie could soak up the oil in the Gulf??
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by jrose643 on Jun 25, 2025 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Now that's some thinking!
It’s worth a shot at least, right?
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by gatling on Jun 25, 2025 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Couldn't soak it up...
But I bet he could suck it up. LOL
Reminds me of the old folk tale of the 7 Chinese Brothers, ever heard that one?
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by Fla-Giant on Jun 25, 2025 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t remember it completely, but it goes something like this.
There were 7 Chinese brothers and they were all fisherman, who were reponsible for keeping the family fed (they all still lived together at home). Yada, yada, yada (I don’t remember the middle part). The youngest brother sucks up all the water in the lake into his mouth and holds it there while his brothers run around and pick up the fish pn the lake-bed. They were only supposed to take a few minutes, but they all got greedy and kept going further and further out from the shore to get the fish. The youngest can’t hold the water back any longer, begins waving his hands wildly to get his brothers’ attention - but can’t - and ends up releasing the water back into the lake. All 6 of his brothers die.
Moral of the story - never trust your youngest brother to get the job done. At least I think that’s what it was, but I could be wrong since it’s been over 40 year since I read it last. In the Giants’ case, I thing the moral of the story would be - we should have traded for the youngest Molina brother way back when (or did we get him as a FA?) instead of Bengie.
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by Fla-Giant on Jun 25, 2025 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Bengie
does look like he is retaining some water
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by jrose643 on Jun 26, 2025 6:36 AM EDT up reply actions
If I held the rings of power
I’d first admit to myself that the Giants don’t have a chance to win the World Series this year without adding at least 4 pieces to the team (2 quality relievers, 1 quality starting pitcher, and 1 quality power-hitting corner OF/IF bat), and getting rid of as many as 3 veterans, all at the cost of mortgaging our future. And then I’d admit to myself that the odds of getting the right 4 pieces would be astronomical, even after mortgaging our future - everything would have to fall magically into place. Sure, I could make some ill-advised trades now and we’d probably make the playoffs this year, and maybe even advance into the 2nd round. But, the cost would be prohibitive and even then there would be no great guarantee of success. Therefore, I would not do anything desperate in the short-term, and I would concentrate on building a team that can win it all in the near future (1-3 years).
Here’s some of the specific steps that I would take:
1. Have a meeting with manager Bruce Bochy and explain to him the conclusions that I came to, as explained above, and lay out my plan to him. Tell him that Aaron Rowand is now the #5 outfield option, Buster Posey will catch at least 4 games a week and start at 1B when he’s not catching, Bengie Molina will catch no more than 2 games a week, and Edgar Renteria is the #2 SS. If he has a problem with that, then I fire Bochy and hand the job to Fresno Grizzlies manager Steve Decker.
2. Try like mad to trade Molina starting right now. If I have no takers by the middle of August, then I DFA him. Also, I try to trade Aaron Rowand beginning now and continue trying until his contract expires at the end of the 2012 season. I offer to pay up to 80% of his remaining salary this year, and up to $9M of his $12M salary for each of the 2011 and 2012 seasons, if the return is at least a B-level prospect; or up to 50% of his remaining 2010 salary, and up to $6M in each of 2011 and 2012, if I get back a bag of balls.
3. Demote Dan Runzler to AAA Fresno (he still has optons left) with the instructions that he will pitch often, and get in as many innings as necessary to get his confidence and groove back.
4. Name Andres Torres as the starting CF, and Nate Schierholtz as the starting RF, with the understanding that they get the rest of the season to prove they should be starters. No more jerking them in and out of the lineup based on 3 hot, or 2 cold games.
5. Name Aubrey Huff the starting 1B, Juan Uribe the starting SS, and Pat Burrell the starting LF (but keep Burrell on a short leash). When Posey plays 1B, then Huff will start in LF.
6. Look for bargains in the trade market over the next 2+ months. Be ready, adaptable, and creative. If I get a chance at a blockbuster deal for a power 1B/3B/OF bat with a contract that we can control for at least through the end of 2012, then I pull the trigger. But no short-term rentals (anybody that’s a FA before 2012), unless I can pick them up for not much salary and a few minor prospects. Especially target guys that can perform as middle relievers and set-up men, and utility guys that have a power bat, because these types can often be had for very little in return at this time of year (remember how the BoSox were able to pick up Billy Wagner last year for next to nothing, and then got the #20 pick in the draft for him this year). Realize that going after guys like DeJesus or Guillen or Wigginton is a sucker’s bet at this time of the season. I’d be dealing from a position of weakness, while the other team is dealing from strength. Not to mention that these guys are performing at the top of their likely future performance level and will almost assuredly fall back to earth in the near future.
7. Sign Ian Snell to a minor league contract and have him try to work out his problems while pitching for AAA Fresno.
8. Promote Brandon Belt and Eric Surkamp to AA Richmond (EL), Carlos Willoughby to Augusta (low-A SAL), and Jose Casilla and Jorge Bucardo to A+ San Jose (Cal League). Demote Tommy Joseph from Augusta to Salem-Keizer (ss-A, NWL).
9. In the off-season I fire Bochy (if I didn’t already do this) and give the manager job to Steve Decker.
10. In the off-season I make no big-money, long-term FA signings. I do try to sign 1-year deals (possibly as long as 2 if the price is right and it’s a young enough player) with 4 to 6 players that are having trouble getting offers, or who really want to play for us. Nothing over $5M and noody over the age of 33 (except in very special cases). Once again, I would target relief pitchers, utility men, and power corner IF/OF bats.
11. In the off-season I continue to try for a blockbuster deal for a significant corner IF/OF bat, where I’d be willing to give up J. Sanchez + a 25-man roster guy + prospects, or just prospects + a 25-man roster guy. Although, once again, this would have to be a guy that we could control at least through the end of the 2012 season.
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by Fla-Giant on Jun 25, 2025 10:55 PM EDT reply actions
ha!
I like how you fire Bochy twice just for good measure. Can we fire Dusty Baker a 2nd time without hiring him? I think that’d be a feel-good move right there
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by jrose643 on Jun 25, 2025 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
We did re-hire Felipe Alou...
so I’m scared
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by Gobroks on Jun 26, 2025 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions
One thing
I think Snell accepted a AAA assignment from the Mariners. I agree with all your moves though
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by Gobroks on Jun 26, 2025 2:56 AM EDT up reply actions
*Oh except I'd start Bowker over Nate
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by Gobroks on Jun 26, 2025 2:57 AM EDT up reply actions
One other thing I would do
Try and trade for a good young SS, who may be available (ie Stephen Drew, Yunel Escobar). With the SS’s available in FA next year, and our prospects another SS would definitely be critical.
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by Gobroks on Jun 26, 2025 2:58 AM EDT reply actions
Improving the team for the stretch run would entail two moves: 1) Trade for Kevin Millwood. 2) Have Edgar Renteria break in a first baseman’s glove for utility purposes.
Promotions through the minors: 1) Move Thomas Neal up to AAA. 2) Fast track Chris Gloor. 3) Encourage Charlie Culberson to keep doing what he’s doing and not worry about the strikeouts.
Scouting: Invest in international scouting. That’s the ticket for a competitive team to bring in top-tier talent. Ideally, you want to be drafting as late on the draftboard as possible, at which point it makes sense to up the international budget.
Free agents: at this point, the only certain moves I can foresee are resigning Aubrey Huff and pursuing Jayson Werth.
by StickRat on Jun 26, 2025 5:39 AM EDT reply actions
First Thing I would do is send out for Chinese
mmmm, San Fran Bay Chinese food.
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by fourfingerwoo on Jun 26, 2025 6:29 AM EDT reply actions
Raid the Orioles
I would try to get Milwood, Scott, and/or Wigginton for a couple of B prospects and/or Bowker and one of the MI’s with service time. This would be a short term commitment without mortgaging the future. If the G’s make it to the post season, Lincecum, Cain, and Zito could carry them all the way.
by Cesar V on Jun 26, 2025 9:23 AM EDT reply actions
Why
Trade for another starter? Why give up anything for a guy that probably won’t start in the playoffs if they do make it? They have four playoff type starters already.
See how MadBum does today and keep him as the five guy and if he fares well, keep him as a lefty in the pen down the stretch.
Any bat I target has to be a plus defender too, maybe a de jesus… No Luke scotts or another Burrel, I’m gonna maximize my pitching with plus D. There are already enough poor defenders in frisco that more cannot be added into the mix.
by SoCalSoxFan on Jun 26, 2025 12:26 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
The reason to trade for another starter ...
It is because you first have to make the playoffs. Acquiring a solid fifth starter will give the team an opportunity to win more regular season games. And, a playoff spot could rely on as few as one more win in the regular season. The reason I like Millwood is because he is a workhorse, and will help keep the bullpen fresh. In regards to the postseason, it never hurts to have a reliable fifth starter as a swingman out of the bullpen should a starter blowup in a playoff game.
As for DeJesus, I do really like him and would be open to exploring a deal for him. My only concern is it would conjest an already crowded position … albeit, the Giants do need a bona fide plus-defender in right field. I still think Nate Schierholtz is that guy, and may actually be a better player than DeJesus come August. He needs to get playing time though, and that is ultimately going to be determined by Buster Posey’s role in 2010.
by StickRat on Jun 26, 2025 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
No way Schierholtz is better than DeJesus at any point this year.
The guy averaged 3 WAR per year for the past five seasons and is currently on pace for a roughly 4.5 WAR season right now primarily thanks to what is likely to be the best offensive performance of his career to date.
He’s a plus defender with good on-base skills and the ability to bat near .300, and while his home run power is limited he’s good for 45-55 extra-base hits a year. That’s a damn good player, and something that Schierholtz simply hasn’t proven to be.
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by Satchel Price on Jun 26, 2025 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
DeJesus is also incredibly streaky, and tends to pump up his numbers over concentrated timeframes within seasons. He is currently lighting it up, which by the numbers means he will regress to have a subpar second half. I’m not saying that is what is going to happen. Like I said, I am open to exploring a deal for him. However, the Giants would have to make room to fit DeJesus in the lineup … as they do not currently have room for Schierholtz. If you are going to bring a vet into the mix of an already winning team, you simply don’t do so without first giving a chance to a promising young player who is already contributing to the team. And numbers aside, there are a lot of people who believe Schierholtz will be a better than league average outifelder if given a chance to play every day.
by StickRat on Jun 26, 2025 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure if we've ever really seen any correlation between streakiness and scoring less runs
As in, if you have two guys with identical numbers but one puts his numbers up in streaks and the other is remarkably consistent, will one of those guys consistently be more valuable given the nature of his production? I don’t think so.
I’m not saying that DeJesus is a no-brainer for the Giants, I think they could use a bat with more impact upside, someone like Adam Dunn or Josh Willingham. But Schierholtz never really walked much until the 100 or so PA this season, and his power from Triple-A hasn’t really translated to the majors yet. He’s already 26, and he’s really running out of time to emerge as a solid regular.
I’m just not sure if the Giants can afford to keep waiting to find out if Schierholtz’s bat will play in the outfield corners while they try to keep up with San Diego, Colorado and LA.
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by Satchel Price on Jun 27, 2025 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
No way Schierholtz is better than DeJesus at any point.
It needs no time-restrictive caveat. Schierholtz is not a big league regular.
by realitypolice on Jun 28, 2025 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
We’ll see about that. Schierholtz was playing quite a bit at the start of the year, until he go hurt. And the Giants were talking about moving him into the leadoff spot before he did.
DeJesus is a good player, but he’s a corner outfielder currently playing to his ceiling — perhaps a bit above it — and he’s still slugging just .480 … which isn’t terrible, but it’s 60 points above his career mark, so it’s reasonable to assume he isn’t going to continue at a pace that will see him hit 50 doubles this year.
And, I never said Schierholtz would be a better hitter. I said he could be a better player.
by StickRat on Jun 28, 2025 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I mean, DeJesus is actually capable of playing a decent CF, but he's plus on the corners
The only way you could possibly be that optimistic about Schierholtz is if you buy into his newfound willingness to take pitches and you believe that this change in approach hasn’t been the cause of his massive decline in power production.
And if DeJesus is a better defender than Schierholtz (which he is), then wouldn’t Schierholtz have to be a better hitter than DeJesus in order to be the better player?
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by Satchel Price on Jun 29, 2025 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Schierholtz is a better defender. And he has game-changing speed. These are the areas where Schierholtz can excel to the point of being a better player than DeJesus. There is no doubt in a lot of people’s view that Schierholtz will someday be an everyday player. It’s just a matter of when. Whether or not it is this season, we’ll see.
by StickRat on Jun 29, 2025 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
draft a lot of premium bats
and work from there. the current pitching rotation is I’d say, in a word, “Solid”. If I were the Giants GM I’d work on acquiring some real solid hitting prospects via draft and trades.
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by feslenraster on Jun 27, 2025 4:15 PM EDT reply actions
Well, at least they took big-swingin' Gary Brown with their first round pick this year..
… oh, wait, Brown’s best attributes are his defense in center and his 75/80 speed.
A team with serious offensive issues drafted a college center fielder with little power and a very raw, impatient approach as a hitter. He’s not a bad prospect and his glove should play well in their park, but premium bat is not on Brown’s list of characteristics.
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by Satchel Price on Jun 27, 2025 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Late to the party but...
I fire Bruce Bochy and hire Steve Decker. I find a home for Aaron Rowand and Edgar Renteria for A or lower prospects. I move Molina to Boston along with whoever else they want for Daniel Bard. Acquire Evan Meek for a Kevin Pucetas/Joe Martinez/Eric Hacker and Eugenio Velez/Manny Burriss combo. Bowker, Torres, Schierholtz is the OF, Pablo, Uribe, Franchez, and Huff the IF, Posey the everyday C, the rotation stays the same, Wellemeyer is the long man, Meek and Bard move in, Bautista, Runzler, and Casilla are out.
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
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by bigboneded on Jun 29, 2025 6:47 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
None of those things will happen, though
- Nobody will take on Aaron Rowand. He’s owed nearly $6M for this season and another $24M for 2011-2012, and right now he’s shown absolutely no ability to hit MLB pitching. The Giants would have to eat like the entire contract in order to get him off the roster.
- The Red Sox aren’t trading Daniel Bard, and especially not for a package headlined by a mediocre veteran catcher on a one-year deal.
- Meek is going to cost a lot, way more than you’ve suggested. The guy currently has a 1.02 ERA (!!!!) along with exceptionally solid peripherals that match high-level performance. Meek is one of the most valuable pieces that the Pirates have right now; he’d cost a lot.
- I think you’d be very disappointed if your corner outfielders were John Bowker and Nate Schierholtz. Just sayin’.
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by Satchel Price on Jun 29, 2025 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
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