Community Prospect #71
With 20.7% of the vote, Jiovanni Mier is elected Community Prospect #70
1. Jason Heyward - 51%
2. Stephen Strasburg - 76%
3. Buster Posey - 20% (43% runoff)
4. Michael Stanton - 20% (54% runoff)
5. Jesus Montero - 20% (45% runoff)
6. Brian Matusz - 21%
7. Pedro Alvarez - 23%
8. Desmond Jennings - 29%
9. Carlos Santana -37% (50% runoff)
10. Neftali Feliz -37% (50% runoff)
11. Justin Smoak - 46%
12. Domonic Brown - 23% (59% runoff)
13. Madison Bumgarner - 30%
14. Martin Perez - 28%
15. Dustin Ackley - 31%
16. Chris Carter - 33.6%
17. Jeremy Hellickson - 29.4%
18. Michael Taylor - 36.9%
19. Alcides Escobar - 37.0%
20. Christian Friedrich - 29.0%(53.2% runoff)
21. Logan Morrison - 45.6%
22. Ryan Westmoreland - 24.7%
23. Aroldis Chapman - 32.0%
24. Wade Davis - 40.8%
25. Fernando Martinez - 30.5%
26. Aaron Hicks - 33.3%
27. Kyle Drabek - 34.0%
28. Lonnie Chisenhall - 24.5%
29. Jenrry Mejia - 18.8%(51.6% runoff)
30. Yonder Alonso - 25.5%
31. Matt Moore - 19.0%(70.7% runoff)
32. Brett Wallace - 24.3%
33. Dan Hudson - 20.2%
34. Freddie Freeman - 17.4%
35. Jhoulys Chacin - 21.2%
36. Casey Kelly - 27.8%
37. Casey Crosby - 29.8%
38. Starlin Castro - 27.5%
39. Brett Lawrie - 18.4% (42.9% runoff)
40. Derek Norris - 17.3% (42.9% runoff)
41. Tyler Flowers - 20.2%
42. Tyler Matzek -22.7%
43. Jacob Turner - 23.0%
44. Michael Montgomery - 30.8%
45. Dee Gordon - 22%
46. Julio Teheran - 19.4%
47. Grant Green - 24.4%
48. Hector Rondon - 20.9%
49. Josh Bell - 22.4%
50. Jaff Decker - 22.3%
51. Michael Saunders - 22.6%
52. Chris Withrow - 19.4%
53. Aaron Crow - 21.2%
54. Jason Castro - 18.8%
55. Tanner Scheppers - 23.2% (60.9% runoff)
56. Jordan Lyles - 23.2%(39.1% runoff)
57. Jake Arrieta - 28.0%
58. Todd Frazier - 23.1%
59. Jared Mitchell - 28.8%
60. Arodys Vizcaino - 21.1%
61. Zach Britton - 21.0%
62. Matt Dominguez - 19.7%
63. Simon Castro - 25.0%
64. Jarrod Parker - 24.6%
65. Zach Stewart - 18.5%
66. Tim Beckham - 22.2%
67. Alex Colome - 20.3%
68. Wil Myers - 23.1%
69. Mike Leake - 18.3%(55.1% runoff)
Players will get 1 round on the poll as a tester, if they fail to draw 5% they will then be removed and sit out up to 3 rounds.
Players off the poll(will sit out up to 3 rounds: Tim Melville(#70-0%), Michael Main(#70-0%), Mike Moustakas(#70-3.4%), James Darnell(#69-1.7%), Jason Knapp(#69-0%), Jay Jackson(#69-0%), Ethan Martin(#69-3.3%), Hank Conger(#68-0%), Randall Delgado(#68-0%), Nick Hagadone(#68-4.6%), Donovan Tate(#68-4.6%), Thomas Neal(#68-4.6%), Miguel Sano(#67-0%), Alex White(#67-0%), Mike Trout(#66-0%)
Tester pool: Josh Reddick, Eric Hosmer, Wilmer Font, Jemile Weeks, Adrian Cardenas, Dan Duffy, Mat Gamel, Alex Liddi, Jose Igelsias, Travis D'Arnaud, Hak-Ju Lee
The candidates with previous round vote %:
Reid Brignac 5.2%
Shelby Miller
Wilson Ramos
Josh Vitters 13.8%
Kyle Gibson
Drew Storen 5.2%
Brett Jackson 8.6%
Zach Wheeler 5.2%
Ryan Kalish 19.0%
Tony Sanchez
Ike Davis 15.5%
Over 130 AB/50 IP cutoff for eligibility
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Vote with a +1 here for Reid Brignac
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by gatling on Mar 4, 2026 6:09 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
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JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
by laxtonto on Mar 4, 2026 6:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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He’s neither shiny nor new but will be plenty good enough to hold down a major league job and still has time for the bat to catch back up to his improved glove.
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by gatling on Mar 4, 2026 6:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
between Ramos, Ike Davis and Kyle Gibson for me
went with Gibson though
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by Daniel Berlyn on Mar 4, 2026 9:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by gatling on Mar 4, 2026 6:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
lulz
how many times in a row is this? you’re setting a record! props to sticking to your guns though.
baseball rules.
by doublestix on Mar 5, 2026 1:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well I'd much rather vote for Moustakas than Vitters
by jar75 on Mar 5, 2026 8:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It seems odd...
that Vitters is getting a lot of support now and Moose isnt. They seem similar in prospect status. I still believe in both.
by rhd on Mar 5, 2026 8:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Started...
voting for him around #50 or so. Figured it would be a while before he got on, but I thought he would have made it by now. Being significantly underrated, I think. His power stats were pretty good, especially playing in a pitcher’s park in Wilmington. OPS on the road was .804. BABIP was .280. Still young for his league and lots of upside. Plate discipline needs some work but not too bad.
by rhd on Mar 5, 2026 7:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1 Donovan Tate
The only other guy listed that I would consider is Vitters.
by guru4u on Mar 5, 2026 9:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and i don't even like briggy that much
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by doublestix on Mar 4, 2026 7:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
Brignac is 32 spots higher on mine. I have never been a Brignac fan.
I wouldn’t call myself a fan of Mier, but I certainly like him a bit.
by sjkqw on Mar 4, 2026 8:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Similar here
Brignac is 29 spots higher than Mier on my list
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
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by Gobroks on Mar 5, 2026 11:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Thats what happens in a poll format
good bad or indifferent, it is what it is.
I would rather Mier slip on early due to a large set of votes on multiple players in an isolated event than the ability to see guys put on at will due to ballot stuffing.
Meir is the shinny new toy at this point. It happens all the time, and was a major driver in the prospect rankings last year. I am not sure I would even have him as the 3rd best SS prospect on this list in front of Hak-Ju Lee.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
by laxtonto on Mar 4, 2026 10:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like this guy
http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=7178459
I’ll take the over on 35 HR there.
by acerimusdux on Mar 4, 2026 11:55 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I just don't see Ike as an elite 1B prospect
He’s a big guy with lots of power, but he went deep off Francisco Samuel, who was the last pitcher in the game and just came off a year where he had a 5.66 ERA in AA. Ike also made an error in the field (his second in 2 days.).
That clip actually illustrates my issues with him - that’s a pretty long swing. The hand and bat speed doesn’t impress me either when I’ve seen him. He’s a good prospect - and hey, I’m not sure he’s not their best option at 1B. I just don’t think he will hit for a high AVG in the majors with those K rates and that swing. With a relatively low average and high Ks I don’t know how much/how often he’ll be able to bring his raw power to bear in the bigs. His power is still more raw than game, too. He has 20 career home runs (727 PAs - albeit a very bad start dragging it down). He also has not hit LHPs at all and sports a platoon split of .266/.323/.375 vs LHP and .292/.379/.489 vs RHP. Francisco Samuel is a RHP, fwiw. Unlike guys like Smoak, I know of no scouting reason to believe this platoon split is a SSS illusion - maybe someone can help me out there.
I think he’s a good hitter in general - but I’d be very reluctant to project him as more than an average hitter for a MLB 1B. The standard is just too high. So, while I see him becoming a pretty good 1B in the majors, that’s not really enough for me to vote for him as a top 100 guy. There are too many other 1B prospects I like better.
For me Ike is merely a good prospect, not elite.
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by alskor on Mar 5, 2026 1:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree on most points
First off, that’s not a very “long” swing to me. He’s not bringing the bat too far back and doesn’t have a long trigger or long swing path in the back which would hurt his timing. The load is almost ideal, and from there he’s short to the ball. I don’t care if the swing path is “long” after he’s hit the ball.
Second, he has hit for average everywhere he has ever been, and should continue to do so. His .309 average ranked 15th in the AA Eastern League this year (.951 OPS ranked 5th) and his .341 average ranked 15th in the AFL (.958 OPS ranked 16th). And this was in his first full season while still adjusting his swing .
The college approach was one that didn’t translate well to wood, in that he was hitting too much off his front foot, and was very handsy, and often too far out in front and not letting the ball travel deep. He could still hit for power in college with that approach because of metal bats and the fact that he is very strong. But, the upside here is that that was an approach which also required very strong hands and outstanding bat control for him to have the success he had.
While he has had to adjust his swing to have success with wood, the strong hands and outstanding bat control remain. He has managed to bring out the power by incorporating his lower half better, and learning to let the ball travel deeper into the zone. He really hasn’t changed anything that will impact his outstanding bat control and ability to hit for average. As he continues to adjust, and as pitch recognition at higher levels improves with reps, that will only improve and I believe the strikeouts will come down a bit.
I also think he seems to be improving against lefties, and his .780 OPS vs lefties in AA wasn’t bad either. Most guys have platoon splits; just looking at the first three guys who come to mind as comps for me for Davis, Carlos Pena had an .814 OPS this year vs. lefties, Justin Morneau an .836 OPS, and Adrian Gonzalez a .770 OPS.
I agree a guy has to hit a lot at 1B, but I see Ike having a pretty good chance to be one of the top 75 hitters in the game, and I think he’ll have several years at his peak with around a .380 wOBA, or .890 OPS. I think he’ll hit for average, with a decent walk rate, and over 30 HR and 30 D power. And he looks like he’ll be a solid defender (a couple of early ST errors nothwithstanding).
In short, of current 1B prospects, I really only like Smoak about as much. I just like Ike’s ceiling better than Wallace, Alonso, Morison, or Freeman. Ike seems to me to be the guy combining both performance and high ceiling tools/potential. I think we’ll see pretty quickly this year though whether I’m right. I think you will see the power continue to increase and the strikeouts start to come down. So talk to me in 5 months.
by acerimusdux on Mar 5, 2026 5:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice write-up
I know some guy here said of Wallace and Davis at ASU, Wallace was clearly the better hitter, but I just don’t see that. Maybe higher average, but I think Ike has more power. And the idea that someone who is a middling position player, say 15th in the game, which is a fairly likely floor for Ike, is somehow not worthy of a spot around here in the poll is just wrong.
Last year, Branyan was the 15th ranked 1B with over 400 PAs. WAR 2.8. 15th ranked 2b? Prado. Also 2.8 WAR 15th ranked ss? Tejada. 2.6 WAR. Centerfield? BJ Upton. 2.5 WAR. A mid-level 1B is as valuable as a mid-level guy at any position. Just because, say, Brignac could be a decent ss doesn’t make him necessarily more valuable than Ike.
I think Ike is a pretty safe bet to be a 3 WAR guy at least, which makes him among the top half of all 1Bs. An average starting 1b should be on this list by now, since I don’t even see that as being a reach. We have a bunch of A ball and lower starting pitchers on this list, a good percentage of whom will flame out. People seem a lot more concerned with a slugger K’ing in 29% of his AA at-bats then dudes K’ing at a 35% rate in low A, walking 5 guys a game in A ball. And we are getting a little position adjustment obsessive.
by wobatus on Mar 5, 2026 1:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And the idea that someone who is a middling position player, say 15th in the game, which is a fairly likely floor for Ike…
For me, that’s closer to a description of his ceiling.
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by alskor on Mar 5, 2026 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe both
Seriously, i cannot see Russ Branyan in 2009 as Ike’s ceiling. Or Adam Laoche with a better glove. Sure, he could flame out. But his ceiling is probably coser to Crlos Pena. Who struggled with the Ks, but has averaged 4.2 WAR the last 3 years with 6.2, 3.7 and 2.7.
by wobatus on Mar 5, 2026 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The swing looks long to me. It looked a little loopy the last couple days, though in the video available online looks like a better swing plane and finish. It doesn’t stay in the strike zone long.
I would not consider that a short trigger, actually: http://www.prospecttube.com/video/strasburg-vs-ike-davis
Compare vs. video Adam Foster took from the same game, same angle of Marcus Lemon: http://www.prospecttube.com/video/strasburg-vs-marcus-lemon
and Mitch Moreland: http://www.prospecttube.com/video/strasburg-vs-mitch-moreland
Minor league batting AVGs are subject to many variables. Chris Davis and Adam Dunn both had very good minor league batting AVGs.
As he continues to adjust, and as pitch recognition at higher levels improves with reps, that will only improve and I believe the strikeouts will come down a bit.
Each level the competition gets harder. Why would things get easier for him? He’s already 23.
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by alskor on Mar 5, 2026 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair points
I actually still like Davis. And Dunn is still a valuable hitter.
He’s already 23, but just. Last year he was 22. 22 in AA doesn’t make you Methusaleh. I do expect Ike to K a bit, and improving is relative. He might improve and still K more at the ML level.
by wobatus on Mar 5, 2026 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Davis
that is. Yeah, he has big K problems. He also stopped walking much.
by wobatus on Mar 5, 2026 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lemon & Moreland
Lemon has a similar load and pretty short path, but he’s a smaller guy, middle infielder, not generating the same power with that swing.
Moreland though, look at how he wraps the bat back, has the bat head even pointing towards 1B. That’s giving him a longer back swing and making it harder to adjust. The bat head has a long way to travel just to get to the strike zone.
Ike brings his hands back, loading that front shoulder, but the bat is more vertical, and once the front foot plants, the bat head has a short path to get into the strike zone, and he has a strong top hand bringing the bat head to the ball. It’s not a super short swing, but an efficient load, and a relatively compact back swing for a guy generating that much power.
by acerimusdux on Mar 5, 2026 8:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Francisco Samuel
Gave up 2 homers in 47 AA innings last year. He K’d 59. His problem is walks usually, not homers.
by wobatus on Mar 5, 2026 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I could see Adam LaRoche for Davis.
"Chicks dig the long ball, although fat chicks will settle for warning track power" - Nick Diamond
by hero66 on Mar 5, 2026 9:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A review of Ike Davis's Swing
http://www.amazinavenue.com/2010/3/3/1336065/the-resurrection-of-ike-davis
by wobatus on Mar 5, 2026 4:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Great breakdown. Thanks for posting that
Overall, the swing is longer. His new loading process — because it’s deeper and more aggressive — creates much more power than his old one.
But it also changes the swing’s path. Take note of where Davis’ bat makes its first aggressive move forward. What Davis has done is given his hands a longer path to travel. He’s able to keep his hands back and turn his hips and hands together on a firm front leg, which is a big driving force behind a hitter’s power.
The contact made by Davis was harder than before. But his strikeouts also increased in part because of the length he added to his swing.
Also makes not of his big platoon problems and speculates:
Best Case Outcome - Above average everyday first baseman
More Likely Outcome - More of an average everyday first baseman…I remind you of the kind of numbers one must put up to be considered an even average first baseman. A worst case scenario would be that Davis proves unable to hit left handed pitching on a consistent basis and has to be platooned with a right handed bat. But that’s much more than most predicted of Davis entering the 2009 season.
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by alskor on Mar 5, 2026 10:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lefties/Ks
Respective cumulative 2009 slash lines against lefties:
Smoak .214/.301/.325
Alonso .222/.329/.317
Morrison .228/.36/.326
Davis .242/.301/.371
Davis has a higher K rate overall than Morrison, Alonso and Smoak. They all have low k rates and good walk rates. Davis’s walk rates aren’t bad, but he has relatively elevated k rates. As the link notes, he changed his swing and his k rates went up. Also note that his power increased significantly overall. And that as he got used to the swing his performance against lefties improved as he moved up the ladder. In an admittedly smallish sample of 67 at bats, he went .269/.347/.433 in AA.
For last season at least, Ike was actually slightly more encouraging against lefties than the 3 lefty swinging 1Bs ranked well ahead of him on most lists (Alonso of course being unranked by BA, but usually well ahead of Ike). And that the higher K rate also came with much higher flyball rates than Smoak and Morrison, a bit higher than Alonso, and the best ISO of the bunch. All 3 of the others have some injury-related excuse or another, but the fact is Ike iso’d .224 overall, and Smoak did .153, Alonso .175 and Morrison .170; in Binghamton, Ike ISO’d .256. Not surprising given the higher flyball rate. (and you can take it with a grain of salt, but Ike was at 42% fb rate while Smoak and Morrison were a tad under 30%).
As you may have seen from the link acerimusdux posted, Ike’s first Spring homer was not a cheapy. A 450 ft bomb against an admittedly high e.r.a. righty reliever, but one who only gave up 2 dingers last year. I don’t mean to dwell on a spring homer, but it does highlight the kid’s growing power, one which the swing change helps to explain. And also explains the K spike, which he can live with if it doesn’t explode as long as the power is there, and the walks.
I am not saying he should be preferred to the other 3 necessarily. Just that the other 3 have been on the poll for a while and Ike isn’t, even though Ike’s wOBA was right there with Smoak’s in AA, and higher than Morrison or Alonso.
So, an upside of an above-average 1B. And a more likely average 1B, with scouts fairly positive on his fielding. That isn’t bad. That’s why I said above that I see that almost as his floor.
by wobatus on Mar 6, 2026 7:20 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
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