Prospect Grade Changes (Again)
I was going to wait until the end of the MiLB season to post this, but the site hasn't produced many new fanposts recently so I thought it would be a good time. It might be a good idea to post the previous grade too as well as a new grade that you would put. Any players who have lost prospect eligibility are good too such as Mat Latos and players who are close to losing eligibility are cool too such as Brian Matusz
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Brett Anderson is the Truth. Brett Anderson is divine presence. Brett Anderson is eternal life. Brett Anderson is within you. Brett Anderson is here. Brett Anderson is Now.
by Frederick0220 on Sep 10, 2025 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Galt bait?
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by Brickhaus on Sep 10, 2025 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No,
but it should be.
I really feel a ‘Black Power’ post should be mandatory anytime Ike Davis’ name is brought up.
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by Frederick0220 on Sep 10, 2025 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Name vs. Nickname
Sometimes I think he’s black - Ike Davis.
Sometimes I think he’s Jewish - Isaac Benjamin Davis.
Then I remember he’s just another boring old gentile.
by Fanon on Sep 11, 2025 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If not for his struggles against lefties
He’d be an A- to A. Hopefully he makes improvements next year vs southpaws.
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by Dewey Finn on Sep 10, 2025 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lefties
A .807 OPS against lefties in AA. That isn’t terrible.
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by jimduquettesucked on Sep 10, 2025 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a lefty hitter
He’s most likely going to hit worse against lefty pitchers.
That’s a ridiculous reason to lower his grade.
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by Frederick0220 on Sep 10, 2025 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
.268/.342/.465 in AA vs. lefties.
Sounds like the makings of an A- to me.
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by squid92 on Sep 10, 2025 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
.331/.409/.618
I prefer to focus on his AA numbers against righties.
Or Smoak’s AA numbers against lefties: .196/.268/.314.
by wobatus on Sep 10, 2025 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's very little reason to think Smoak will have a big platoon problem...
…being a switch hitter and all…
by alskor on Sep 10, 2025 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yet there's the stats right there.
So maybe Ike’s lefty demise has been completely overblown due to small sample size.
Yep.
I believe it has.
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by squid92 on Sep 10, 2025 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely has been overblown
It might be because it took him so long to get HR’s off of lefties (I cannot remember if it took him a while on the season as a whole, or just at AA).
by JayWise on Sep 12, 2025 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
switch hitters
can have platoon splits. But it is a small sample. You are probably right. I don’t think Ike is better than Smoak.
by wobatus on Sep 10, 2025 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ike
The concerns I have with Davis’ AA numbers are the pretty drastic K rate (his K rate hovers in between Alvarez and Stanton, yet nobody mentions it as a concern with Davis), the inflated BABIP, and that I really do think that Binghamton plays very favorably to LHB with the dimensions and wind — unfortunately I don’t know of anywhere that shows park splits.
That being said, the more I saw of Davis this summer the more I believed in his power potential, but I think that A/A- is too aggressive given the positional adjustment, contact concerns, and possible role of luck/park effects.
by jibs on Sep 10, 2025 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
.290/.369/.535
Luck and park adjusted slash line in AA per minorleaguesplits.com.
Yes, the k rate is somewhat of a concern. His k rate does get mentioned, but maybe more on amazinavenue than here.
Still, a .245 iso adjusted for luck and park somewhat? Although even that leaves him with a .351 babip. But Anderson’s babip last year was .430ish in AA.
by wobatus on Sep 10, 2025 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying he performed poorly
I’m saying that an A or A- is too aggressive for a 1B with contact problems and (in my subjective opinion) unanswered questions about luck and park effects. Davis’ numbers this year are extremely similar to Nick Evans’ 2008 numbers with Binghamton at the same age as Davis this year - except Evans had a much better K rate and a less outlandish BABIP - and I don’t think many people thought of Evans as an A/A- prospect a year ago.
An A/A- grade would make him roughly one of the top 15 position player prospects in the entire minor leagues, and as a 1B I don’t think he’s at that level.
by jibs on Sep 10, 2025 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying that Davis is A/A-
I think B+ fits him just fine.
But within that, I think Evans vs. Davis is Example A of why you can’t be entirely stats dependent when assessing minor league talent. Scouting reports (and, tangentially, draft position) are highly relevant.
by Fanon on Sep 11, 2025 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously.
If we went by stats, Lars Anderson would be a C+ prospect at best.
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by squid92 on Sep 11, 2025 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
draft position
Evans was a 5th rounder out of HS while Davis was seen as about a 2nd rounder out of HS (fell much later due to his ASU commitment), although a lot of his draft value was tied into his pitching potential and “brand name” with his father as well. Give Evans 3 years with aluminum bats at Sun Devil field and he could have just as easily worked his way up to be a late-first round pick out of college.
by jibs on Sep 11, 2025 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is fairly speculative
And even if you want to throw draft position to the wind, scouts like Davis a hell of a lot more.
by Fanon on Sep 11, 2025 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think there's a tendency to ignore his strikeout rate
Because he’s been hitting for such high average. It’s not entirely legitimate to do so, but I think if he was hitting .250-.260 the story would be a lot different.
by Fanon on Sep 11, 2025 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the K rate is offset by his walk rate.
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by squid92 on Sep 11, 2025 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Somewhat
But it’s awfully hard for anybody to keep their batting average up while striking out that much.
by Fanon on Sep 11, 2025 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If his power potential is reached, it's a fair tradeoff.
And what you lose in batting average and productive outs, you gain in walks and homeruns.
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by squid92 on Sep 12, 2025 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Project Prospect
If I am looking at their Sept. 1 top 25 position prospect list, Ike Davis isn’t even among their top 61 position prospects. They have a top 25, 5 honorable mention, and then 4 tiers of guys considered. He isn’t there. That’s hard to believe. Positional scarcity I guess and just don’t believe him. Brandon Allen is there. Moustakas. Wilmer Flores too. They say they have an emphasis on floor, and I think it’s hard to se Flores’s floor, even with his ARL, as higher than Davis’s.
by wobatus on Sep 12, 2025 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, that's pretty terrible.
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by squid92 on Sep 12, 2025 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Q/A Section
The strike out spike in AA and positional value they said. They do have a lot of catchers ahead of him: Donaldson, Lucroy, Castro, Flowers. Then you have guys like Desme, Hosmer, Donovan Tate, Ackley, Matt Sweney, Giavotella, Donovan Tate, Liddi. Basically almost every guy I could imagine trying to make a case for, he’s behind. Likely not a hell o f a lot of difference 35-75.
by wobatus on Sep 12, 2025 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is he possibly behind Lucroy, Liddi, or Giavotella?
That’s just inaccurate. Not even a matter of opinion at that point.
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-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Sep 12, 2025 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
at first blush
I’d have to agree. I just can’t see any of those 3 ahead of him. I don’t know much about them but the stats.
by wobatus on Sep 12, 2025 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and I'd say that's a bad thing
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by squid92 on Sep 13, 2025 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There wasn't a strikeout spike in Double-A
His strikeout rate was pretty much exactly the same in the FSL and the Eastern League.
by Fanon on Sep 13, 2025 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not true
K% jumped from 20.4% to 25.7%.
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What a fool I was to defy him"
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by Meddler on Sep 14, 2025 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
25% increase? Its not a huge jump, and given the sample sizes could just be noise, but its definitely a jump worth noting. A K% any higher than 25% could really hinder Davis. Then again, I’m still not sold that he’s got elite power potential, so that’s figuring into my judgment. If he’s hitting ~25 HR and striking out 120-150 times every year, even a ridiculous David Wright-esque career baseline .350 BABIP wouldn’t carry him to stardom out of first base.
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by Meddler on Sep 14, 2025 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This could be why
Foster one of the writers for the site said this about Davis. Second post in the thread. I responded, but no one answered me.
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by Evan_S on Sep 13, 2025 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW
This website has officially lost all respect I had for it. And considering how well they ranked other prospects that I liked…that was just egregious.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
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by squid92 on Sep 13, 2025 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess you didn't read
Adam’s post where he proclaimed that he felt that Bumgarner’s current 87-89 mph fastball graded out as PLUS.
http://projectprospect.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5663&start=45
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by Frederick0220 on Sep 13, 2025 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not knocking him as a prospect
Just saying, he’s probably more like a .270 hitter than a .300 hitter with that strikeout rate.
by Fanon on Sep 13, 2025 5:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he's not Albert Pujols.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
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by squid92 on Sep 13, 2025 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but he might be more Adam LaRoche
Which is okay, but not great.
by Fanon on Sep 13, 2025 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adam Laroche
This brings up a good point. There’s nothing wrong with being Adam LaRoche.
Laroche at 22 in AA didn’t have nearly the slash line of Ike Davis. .289/.363/.410. He struck out less often, so there’s some luck and park involved in Ike’s line, but Ike seems to have more power. And we have sen that the all or nothing approach can work, a la Branyan, Howard, Reynolds. I am not saying Ike is as all or nothing as all that, but he obviously has developed plus power, which some scouts and John projected. Look at his ISO.
And John ranked Laroche 39th of all hitters in 2004, before his rookie year.
And Laroche has ended up outperforming many guys ahead of him. Some by quite a bit. He has out-WAR’d 1B’s. Lance Broadway, Mike Aubrey, James Loney and Casey Kotchman were all ahead of him. Justin Huber was catcher but that was questionable. Jeff Mathis, Jeremy Reed, Guillermo Quiroz, Jayson Nix, Brett Clevelan, Khalil Greene, Sergio Santos, Jayson Nix, Delmon Young, Andy Marte, Josh Barfield, Greg Gross, Dionner Navarro, Dallas McPherson, Chad Tracy.
This doesn’t reveal very much, but I do think sometimes we underrate a good young slugger and say, yeah but he is 1B, or he Ks too much. Ike’s power leaves little doubt in my mind he won’t end up a pop-gun slappy 1B like Kotchman has thus far. And I think he will be better than Laroche, who was evidently one of the top 20-30 or so prospect hitters going into 2004.
by wobatus on Sep 13, 2025 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm...
To my eye, youve provided further evidence we do overrate 1B prospects. Look at your list of guys rated ahead of LaRoche who LaRoche LaRoche ended up having more wins than.
Just because one of those guys turned out better than expected doesnt mean much to me. There’s probably a lot of up the middle players that were ranked below those guys who I would much rather have than any of them.
by alskor on Sep 13, 2025 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey now
you may be right. But there were also a bunch of guys ahead of him who were ahead due to positional value and they also flamed out.
Here’s a quote from the year end prospect hot sheet at ba:
ay (ct): is ike davis have a chance to be a everyday 1b or even a allstar?
Ben Badler: Definitely. I watched him take BP for Team USA before they left for the World Cup (I believe they’re on MLB Network right now) and he showed more raw power than anyone else there, including Justin Smoak and Pedro Alvarez. It�s not a simple swing, but he�s produced this year and there�s plenty of raw power there.
I don’t like that “it’s not a simple swing” bit, but more raw power than Smoak or Alvarez, I’ll take.
by wobatus on Sep 13, 2025 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sample size
He hit them well in Double-A, poorly in High-A. It’s very hard to say whether it’s a problem one way or another at this point.
by Fanon on Sep 11, 2025 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What kind of stuff does he have?
I remember reading his draft stock dipped a little because of reduced velocity in senior year.
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by Dewey Finn on Sep 10, 2025 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but
he’s looking really good in actual games. On the year, his K:BB is 74:23 over 73 IP, but even that has shown dramatic improvement. In his last 6 starts, he’s pitched 37 IP (it took him 8 starts to get his first 36 IP), and he’s struck out 48 while walking only 7 (in contrast to his 26:16 ratio over his first two months).
In terms of stuff, I think his fastball is still in the 88-90 range, which is okay but not terrific for a lefty - he does, though, have some projection left
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by OldProspects on Sep 10, 2025 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, he's Madison Bumgarner + the ability to strike out hitters?
Kidding, just kidding — please don’t lynch me, Bumgarner apologists.
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by Frederick0220 on Sep 10, 2025 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
Has performed exceptionally well in super hitting environments.
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by Dewey Finn on Sep 10, 2025 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lars Anderson
B-
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by squid92 on Sep 10, 2025 3:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
brutal season
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by Dewey Finn on Sep 10, 2025 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
B
If there was a reason to think the guy was a A- before the season, it takes more than one nightmare season to drop him that far.
by alskor on Sep 10, 2025 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What're the chances this is just an injury?
His BB and K numbers are in line with what they were - he was somewhat unlucky in terms of BABIP, but his power simply disappeared. I suppose it could be a permanent change, but I can’t say I’m convinced. He seems like a pretty solid prospect still
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by OldProspects on Sep 10, 2025 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it was a major injury I think it would be easier for most people to rationalize
But there was a back injury he played through early in the year and then some hamstring problems later. Im not sure this wasnt more mental than injuries, though. IMHO, he lack of power early on probably had to do with the back, and then he lost his confidence and his swing.
He was hitting .272 with 8 HRs on July 19 and then went completely in the toilet.
As Ive said before, too, he’s a very sensitive kid who takes things hard. If youve read an interview with him he sounds like a super nice, super sensitive, very bright kid. I dont think he was comfortable or ready for the hype surrounding him this year and it really bothered him and messed him up. That by itself is a negative portent for a prospect, of course, but for me it makes his numbers this year less worrisome long term.
Hype like the fact Baseball America named the 21-year-old, left-handed hitter Boston’s top prospect and that the Red Sox named him their 2008 Minor League Offensive Player of the Year - after he hit a combined .317 with 18 home runs and 80 RBI between Class-A Lancaster and Double-A Portland.
“I really dislike all of that stuff,” Anderson said with a face that could have melted ice. "It’s made me more of a recluse, which I don’t know if that’s the right word. I don’t think I embrace that kind of stuff as much as other people. I don’t really think its accurate stuff.
http://firebrandal.com/2009/08/16/lars-anderson-struggles-part-of-development.html
At the Red Sox exclusive rookie development camp in January, Anderson was mobbed on media day. In the region known as Red Sox Nation, it was impossible for Anderson to be just another player.
And he hated it.
“It’s probably not my favorite aspect to this gig,” Anderson said of the attention.
“(The ranking) is so arbitrary and subjective … something cool for the fans to read.
“Those rankings just don’t make a ton of sense to me. Someone wants to talk to you because of some number in a magazine.”
It all got dizzying for the usually easygoing Anderson.
“I don’t know if I was really ready for the non-baseball side of it, the external pressure and the expectations,” he said. "In the beginning, I was almost rejecting that, pushing that away. Everything was moving too quickly for me.
“My thinking wasn’t right. I was very negative. It was tension and I didn’t want it.”
Compare that with Anderson’s thought process in 2008 when he was tearing it up: “It was really simple, easy, really comfortable.”
Anderson is searching for positives. He’s had to learn to deal with expectations. He’s learned more about himself in the process.
“I feel refreshed,” he said. "I’ve experienced a lot this year, a lot of stuff I haven’t experienced before. I think I’m going to be super grateful for it when I look back on it.
“Learning how to approach success and failure – I have some tools now that I don’t know I would have discovered if I had not gone through this. It’s been a bumpy road, but I have a lot of clarity now.”
Anderson said the Red Sox have been patient with him: “The organization has a pretty good understanding that we all develop differently.”
`http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/story.php?id=281714&ac=PHspt
Im still optimistic on him, and it would take very little for me to jump on the bandwagon in 2010. Everything we liked about him before this year was still there in his components, too.
I think I posted this Jim Callis quote from July 28th before, but here it is again:
Q: Two guys from your preseason Top 100 Prospects list have me plenty stumped: Royals third baseman Mike Moustakas.(ranked No. 13) and Red Sox first baseman Lars Anderson (No. 17). Moustakas looks like he has lost control of the strike zone and seems to be on a treadmill. Anderson not only seems to have forgotten how to go deep, but how to actually hit. What happened to these guys?
A:I still have a lot of faith in both Moustakas and Anderson. Neither is savaging pitchers like they did last season—Moustakas is hitting .247/.284/.411 at high Class A Wilmington, and Anderson is batting .259/.349/.390 in Double-A Portland—but both are young for their levels and they’re still two of the best hitting prospects in the minors…
…Anderson, 21, seemed poised for a big season at Portland after hitting .316/.436/.526 there in the last six weeks of 2008, but he hasn’t homered since June 28. His walk totals (46 in 89 games, compared to 29 in 41 Double-A games last year) may not indicate it, but he has been pitched around a lot more in his second tour of the Eastern League. He too has struggled to find a balance in between being too aggressive and too passive. Anderson has admitted to losing his confidence at times. He has plenty of raw power, and he’ll show more of it in games once he turns on pitches more consistently. He also has had a tough time solving lefthanders since arriving in Double-A.
Moustakas and Anderson are both well ahead of the development curve and have plenty of time to make the necessary adjustments. My biggest concern about either of them is that I’m not convinced that Moustakas will have enough range to stay at third base. But I’m not at the point where I’m worrying about their bats.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/ask-ba/2009/268612.html
He’s also still only 21 and was one of the youngest players in the Eastern League this year.
So, made my case on Lars again. Totally understand why people might be skeptical. We’ll see. i dont usually do this, fwiw. I wasnt a big Pedroia fan, or Youkilis for that matter. Didnt see stardom in either of them. Ive always been big on Buchholz, but I was down on Lester after the Cancer. My approach with Sox prospects is typically to temper my enthusiasm… I just really feel its not time to give up on Lars. There is a lot to like here. .300 AVG/.400 OBP 20 HR 1B is very realistic, IMHO. He has a great approach, a lot of raw (not game yet) power, no platoon problems until this year and phenomenal contact ability for a big guy. Guess we’ll see.
by alskor on Sep 10, 2025 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those are awesome quotes, alskor.
Thanks for that.
I still believe in Lars, too, and am not going to let one off-year have me lose sight of what he has done in the past.
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by Frederick0220 on Sep 10, 2025 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what he ahs done in the past
Let’s examine that.
His park and luck adjusted season totals last year were ..291/.394/.469. Very good for his age. At Portland it was .276/.400/.480 per minor league splits.
He did have slight issues last year in a small sample against lefties in Portland. .211/.333/.368. Those really cropped up badly this year: .224/.343/.293. Nice eye but he had no power against lefties.
I assume to a degree he slumped but also advanced pitchers found a bit of a hole.
His career slash line, league and park adjusted, per minor league splits: .263/.365/.409.
That includes his awesome year last year with the .430 or so babip in AA and Lancaster at A+, and this year’s low babip.
He’s young. He had a great season last year. He has questions to answer. if he starts off raking next year, sure, he’ll bounce right back up.
by wobatus on Sep 10, 2025 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't really see him as an A- before the season, though.
I thought B+ just on his potential. But man, he dropped like a rock.
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by squid92 on Sep 10, 2025 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough.
But if Davis was a C+ last year (according to John’s grade) after a bad month and a half, Anderson’s not a B- after a bad season? Especially since they were similarly regarded before the draft? Maybe Lars was somewhat better regarded, but in my mind that’s what gets him to B-.
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by squid92 on Sep 10, 2025 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lars really needs to be a cautionary tale for a guy like Ike Davis though
What Lars did last year between HiA and Double-A was very similar to what Davis did this year. Except Lars is actually younger than Davis to begin with, and he did it a year before Ike did. Very similar true outcome rates, especially adjusting for the CAL and FSL and accounting for the hitter friendliness of NYSEG Stadium. It was much easier to call Lars an A- after last year than it is to call Davis one just by the ARLs. And there is a danger that Ike could go on to have a disappointing season much in the way Lars did. A power drought, some unlucky BABIP results, that’s really the difference for Anderson this year. I still think they’re pretty similar prospects in a lot of ways with similar chances for success, despite the vastly different results this season.
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What a fool I was to defy him"
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by Meddler on Sep 14, 2025 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
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by Frederick0220 on Sep 14, 2025 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the main difference
in my mind is the ISO. I know, park effects, but we are now getting reports from guys at BA and BP that he has plus power and maybe even plus plus. More pure power than Smoak was the report, for example, and I think more than Anderson. He is now adding a position perhaps, one he did play in college, and reports are he moved ok in college, but he had a hamstring injury before last year and that slowed him down. He may end up merely slow and not tortoised-paced.
If he becomes adequate in the outfield, or can play a decent 1B and has patience and very good power, I think that’s more than people expect. I understand the downside risks. I think the upside is being underestimated. Suppose he’s a consistent 75 walk 35 homer guy who can actually field? I don’t see Anderson as a consistent 35 homer guy, although I’d think the higher average potetial is there.
by wobatus on Sep 15, 2025 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Post-2004 consistent 35 homer guy
Is borderline superstarish.
by Fanon on Sep 15, 2025 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not necessarily
Kendry Morales, Russ Branyon, Justin Morneau and Carlos Pena are all ~35 HR types this year (Morneau likely would have put up at least a couple more HRs over the rest of the year if he didn’t get hurt), but their overall offensive contributions measured by wOBA puts all of them in the lower half of qualified first basemen.
These types of guys may get plenty of fantasy hype due to DINGERS, but I find it hard to consider that a borderline superstar performance when you are below average offensively at your position, and are providing the least amount of defensive value on the diamond.
by jibs on Sep 15, 2025 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Consistent" is the key
Branyan and Kendry have never done it before, and I would consider Morneau borderline superstar; he’s certainly been an elite performer at first over the course of his career.
Pena’s a bit of a different story, if only because I expect Davis to significantly better average-wise (i.e. not hit .220).
by Fanon on Sep 15, 2025 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They aren't below average
They are right in the mid-range. Your example is skewed because only 25 guys even qualify per fangraphs. Morales is 13, Pena 15, Morneau 17 and Branyan 18. Pretty much middle of the pack, going strictly by wOBA, if you go by 30 teams. Branyan is also at a bit of the extreme as far as Ks are concerned.
And to be one of the top 18 first baseman by hitting is fairly important. if you don’t have that, it is harder to make up at other positions. if you are left with Casey Kotchman (who didn’t make your list of wOBA 1Bs, assuming you got it from fangraphs, because he didn’t quite qualify), or Daniel Murphy, an upgrade to 35 homers and 75 walks, as long as the fielding hit isn’t too high.
The drop off from Justin Morneau at 18 to the guys even below Daniel Murphy who didn’t make the list is pretty huge.
Morneau’s wOBA is .370. Murphy at 24 is .308, Huff 25 is .302. Morneau’s war is 3.3, Murphy and Huff are negative. It is harder to make up for that drop-off with good fielding at first.
Across the diamond, if we look at third, number 18 is Mark Derosa (of all 3b with 400 or more PAs). His wOBA is .332. Number 24, comparable to Murphy at first, is .313. The dropoff frommorneau to Murphy or Huff is much starker than from deRosa to Kouzmanof, or Andy Laroche, say. Indeed, Kouz’s fielding makes him a more valuable per WAR at fangraphs than Derosa, plus 2 compared to 1.7.
Then you have atrocious fielding 1Bs like Dunn who are high up the food chain.
So I believe that the value of a decent fielding 75 walk 35 homer 1B is fairly high. If that is a 15th-18th ranked 1B, I’d say that is harder to replace than your average 15-18th ranked 3B. The falloff behind that is starker, generally.
Lars’s k rate over 2 seasons (one partial) at AA is not appreciably lower than Ike’s. He walks more. But Ike has a decent walk rate.
So Ike’s iso is .250 in the EL, Anderson’s about .150ish over 1 1/4 seasons. Yes, some luck involved, but given that Ike’s good season is fresh, and Lars has to bounce back, i have a hard time ranking Anderson ahead of Ike. But it isn’t a huge spread and lars could easily snap right back next year.
by wobatus on Sep 15, 2025 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're right
In that “below average” was a poor choice of words, “middle of the pack” would have been much better
by jibs on Sep 15, 2025 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More raw power than Alvarez or Smoak
That was the line from BA about the US World Cup team:
“Q: does ike davis have a chance to be a everyday 1b or even a allstar?
Ben Badler: Definitely. I watched him take BP for Team USA before they left for the World Cup (I believe they’re on MLB Network right now) and he showed more raw power than anyone else there, including Justin Smoak and Pedro Alvarez."
From the year end prospect hotsheet chat.
I rank Smoak and Alvarez ahead of Ike. But if you look closely, Ike’s k percentage for the full year, counting high A and AA, is right in line with Alvarez’s for the full year. Ike’s babip was .380 in AA. But Alvarez’s was .400 plus. And Alvarez might have to move to first.
based on the scouting reports Smoak and Alvarez are a cut above. I’d rank Carter ahead of him too. Alonso, well, it’s close. The scouts preferred Alonso. I’d have him ahead of Hosmer now. And yes, ahead of Anderson too, and Brandon Allen. Logan Morrison and Freddie Freeman? Also close. I love Morrison’s walk rate spike this year and fact it is above his k rate. Lack of power is somewhat of a concern. Ike to me is now in that next group discussion at least.
If Laporta becomes a 1B and Montero, i’d rank them ahead of him too.
by wobatus on Sep 15, 2025 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the tricky part about scouting reports
Just because the material is subjective doesn’t mean small sample size isn’t relevant. One round of BP just isn’t convincing. What is convincing is the 14.4% HR/BIA he put up in ~250 Double-A PAs, but NYSEG stadium really favors left handed power. This is going to be a big year for Ike in Buffalo, and I suspect that by the ASB next year, we’ll have a much clearer picture of the kind of player he’s developing into. If someone gave me 3:2 odds, I’d bet that Havens is looking more like a potential star by then than Davis is.
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by Meddler on Sep 15, 2025 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Put it all together
I am not just going by what the scout said. He had good power in a tough league (5th in ISO in FSL of all players 250 or more PA) and in a tougher league (4th in EL). Although I have to note that there are some decent guys who were in EL at one point not too much older than Ike (Strieby and Snyder) who also slugged.
His slash line on the road in the EL: .306/.389/.559. His ISO on the road was .253.
His slash against lefties: .268/.342/.465.
If you include their entire minor league carers and adjust for park and luck, so this includes awful seasons for each of them:
Anderson: .263/.365/.409
Davis: .278/.358/.443
But I think Ike’s 2008 is receding in the distance. Yes, Buffalo will tell us a lot more.
So you have high ISO’s, success rising against lefties, road ISO right there with his home ISO in EL, BA subjective report on one practice admittedly, but 18th ranked full year hot sheet, Goldstein seems to like him, Sickels liked him coming into the draft, outfield now also seems possible…a lot here to like as far as upside.
I like havens too, and you may be right about next year. We ain’t there yet.
Speaking of havens, he was 17th in FSL in iso. And he is older than Ike slightly, but i understand the positional value of a slugging middle infielder.
Interestingly enough, one of the few guys in th FSL ahead of Ike in ISO is a middle infielder younger than Havens or Ike. Dave Adams of the Yankees. Interesting.
by wobatus on Sep 15, 2025 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thing with Carter is he's awful defensively.
So I’ll give the nod to Davis, who’s supposedly at least average at 1B, if not more.
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by squid92 on Sep 15, 2025 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I agree with you in essence
I just feel like I’m not entirely ready to jump in the Ike bandwagon. You’re 35 HR 75 BB example does seem within reach, but that’s the upside. That would be borderline superstar, even with a marginal average due to a high K%, but I just feel like we still have some wait and see left with Davis before we really establish where his floor is. The ceiling and expected outcomes are pretty much in focus, but the scouting reports have been so fluid and over the last few years, ranging from “slight overdraft” on draft day, to “consider converting him to pitcher” at the beginning of this year, to “borderline elite 1B prospect” now.
I agree that defensive value is going to be a big key this year. I’m happy someone recognizes that opening him up to the outfield can’t hurt, I just wish it was the Mets and not Team USA.
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by Meddler on Sep 15, 2025 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Solid "A" I think
I don’t see any weaknesses.
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by Dewey Finn on Sep 10, 2025 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
A.
Which places him among the top handful of guys. Dont know why people dont see this yet. I think people are skeptical now, but once the major prospect lists come out everyone will just agree. Carter and Jennings will be way up there.
by alskor on Sep 10, 2025 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't have the pop for an A
Jennings skills look like they should easily transfer to the majors. The only negatives are that he doesn’t play plus defense he’d need to be a great CF, and he’s not going to hit enough HR to be an elite COF. In a fantasy league, the guy’s an A. in real life, he probably falls just short.
by PissedMick on Sep 10, 2025 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was under the impression that he does play plus defense.
Also, he posted a .169 IsoP between AA and AAA (which is good for a CF with great contact skills), and many people believe that he hasn’t even untapped all of his power, yet.
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by Frederick0220 on Sep 10, 2025 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s a centerfielder though, and a very good one. Even if he moves to the corner, the need for more power in a corner OF spot has been mostly debunked.
As for his power:
…enough power to project for 15-20 home runs annually.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=8568
A good defensive centerfielder with “outstanding plate discipline, plus-plus speed” and 15-20 HR power? Sign me up. I really dont buy the argument that he’s not an A on performance issues. I can understand skepticism based on injury history, but IMHO that’s been overblown.
by alskor on Sep 10, 2025 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was named best defensive outfielder in the league
Of course, that’s how gold gloves are awarded, so take it with a grain of salt.
by Galt on Sep 11, 2025 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't have a spectacular arm
But other than that his defense is reportedly very solid. And considering he’ll probably be a LF in the majors (at least to start), the arm isn’t even that big of an issue. Defensively, he’s supposed to be on par with Crawford. If he ends up being Carl Crawford with plate discipline (which is what he’s shaping up to be), then he’ll be one of the best LFs in the league year in and year out, once you take defensive contributions into account.
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by Brickhaus on Sep 14, 2025 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Injury concerns?
I’m all for it, but I figured most here like him less than me.
by rglass44 on Sep 11, 2025 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's no...
Andrew McCutchen, but he could still be a pretty exciting player who is good at about everything. I’d give him an A.
by joegonzo on Sep 11, 2025 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you know that Cutch was never a grade A prospect, don't you?
by mrkupe on Sep 11, 2025 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but
Cutch is a type of guy whose statistical performance in the minors never matched the talent.
Now, his numbers are starting to come to fruition.
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by Frederick0220 on Sep 11, 2025 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm new to the grading system, so which guys get 'A's?
Heyward, Strasburg, Montero? Anyone else?
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by Frederick0220 on Sep 10, 2025 4:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Montero gets an A
simply because he is a man without a position
by Mets2k9 on Sep 10, 2025 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
who cares where he plays...
The kid is a BEAST of a hitter. Perennial .300+ avg, 30+ HR seasons IMO.
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by Dewey Finn on Sep 10, 2025 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cool
but fielding is kinda half of the game
by Mets2k9 on Sep 10, 2025 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear ya
I was just trying to emphasize that Montero is a special hitting talent that teams would typically put up with bad defense for.
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by Dewey Finn on Sep 10, 2025 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His patience is a slight concern
Though its super nitpicking.
He’s not super patient, and I worry that many of his walks are guys pitching around him b/c of his reputation and impressive power. Ive been burnt by this before on prospects.
Would his numbers in a vacuum without ARL be worthy of an A grade or an A-? I might say A-. Usually John doesnt give out full A’s to guys who havent yet raked at the higher levels (albeit ~170 excellent ABs at AAA). Especially 1B prospects. Usually ARL doesnt cut it for an A grade, and I think that’s a good part of what excites me about Montero… but then again, Montero is obviously a special case with Superstar upside…
I dont know… Id probably give him an A. I have a couple questions about him and I dont know if he’s the slam dunk, I know exactly what kind of player this guy is type that usually gets an A… but he’s going to be a top 5 prospect for me, so he’s gotta get an A. Yeah… definite A. Sorry for the stream of consciousness approach.
by alskor on Sep 10, 2025 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he's a DH, though, his use drops pretty dramatically.
1B, he’s an A/A-. DH, he’s an A-/B+. C, he’s an A+++++++++++++
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by squid92 on Sep 10, 2025 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He should be an....
A no matter what. It’s hard to even find more than a couple DHs that could put up a line of 315 with 30+ homers.
by joegonzo on Sep 11, 2025 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd move it up to an A- for a DH, and an A for a 1B.
But if you literally contribute NOTHING on defense, you are not an A prospect. Period.
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by squid92 on Sep 11, 2025 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pujols
If he were limited to DH I’d give him an A. A+ even.
by wobatus on Sep 11, 2025 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but he said "period"
end of discussion
by gogotabata on Sep 11, 2025 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But that's Albert Pujols, haha.
I’m pretty sure he’s not a minor league prospect.
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by squid92 on Sep 11, 2025 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Feliz
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by Michael Cave on Sep 10, 2025 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, with the way Feliz has pitched in the majors,
while demonstrating solid secondary stuff, he’s definitely a candidate for an ‘A’
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by Frederick0220 on Sep 10, 2025 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The way John does it
Is only the top 6 or 7 players each year get an A. Another 30 or so get A-s. And then maybe 70 more get B+s (to make one of his top 50 lists, a B+ is probably needed).
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by OldProspects on Sep 10, 2025 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, thanks
It was weird, because I saw that John ranked Lars #6 overall, but gave him an A-.
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by Frederick0220 on Sep 10, 2025 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
6th hitter?
He ranks them separately, here at least.
by wobatus on Sep 10, 2025 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're right
Which would have made Lars (roughly) #12, and therefore an A-
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by OldProspects on Sep 11, 2025 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=281659
Sickels actually ranked Lars #5 overall (among pitchers and hitters).
I’m assuming that list is accurate, even though it was posted on a Hankees fan site.
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by Frederick0220 on Sep 11, 2025 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Withrow..
first full year already at AA striking out a batter an inning… only 20.. turns 21 next year in april…
B+…?
by matthewmafa on Sep 10, 2025 6:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
B
Comand has to be sharper for B+ i think.
by wobatus on Sep 10, 2025 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
I am excited to see how he does next year.
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by Dewey Finn on Sep 10, 2025 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It looks like everyone in the 7-37 range gets ranked an A-
If that’s the case, then I give Withrow an A-.
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by Frederick0220 on Sep 10, 2025 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Arrieta
Withrow has numbers kinda like Arrieta’s last year, but with a higher era, so maybe that is blinding me. And he is younger than Arrieta was last year. But 4.5 walks per 9 is a tad high for me, even with the k rate. Jake was a B+.
by wobatus on Sep 10, 2025 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's also basically pitching his 1st season of pro ball at 20 years-old
He logged 13 career pro innings coming into this year.
Also, Arrieta doesn’t have a plus off speed pitch like Withrow.
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by Frederick0220 on Sep 10, 2025 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's a stretch
I think he’s back end of the top 100, solid B for me.
by MightyMoose on Sep 10, 2025 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
probable B for the moment
Maybe a B-, but given how well his raw stuff seems to have translated to AA, B is good. Breakout candidate for next year though . . .the big questions around him should be answered (or not) pretty quickly next year, and then we’ll have a better idea of exactly where he stands.
by mrkupe on Sep 11, 2025 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
withrow
I would say B but he is right on the cusp.
How do you rank him against Lindblom and Martin?
by saltybiscuits on Sep 15, 2025 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some Royals
these were my own grades going into the season, and how i’d rank them now.
Moustakas A-, now B+: Tough hitting environment at home (see home/road splits), but declined a bit for me. Next year at Double A will be a good measure of whether he moves in elite prospect status. I have him poised for a breakout.
Hosmer A-, now B+: Not sure what the Royals were doing moving him to High A so quickly. Would have preferred him to stay the whole year at Burlington to build his confidence and have him start at High A next year with the potential for a late season move to Double-A (depending on performance).Still possesses all the tools, but down in my books.
Melville B, now B-: Struggled at times and seems to lose focus when he gets behind early. Still so young. Upside of #2-3 for me.
Montgomery B, now A-: He’s faced every challenge exceptionally well. Improvement in his secondary pitches have me excited. I think he’s got a chance to anchor this staff with Greinke and Duffy in a few years couple years.
Duffy B, now B+: Still just 20 at season’s end having completed a strong year at High A. His stuff isn’t overwhelming, but you can’t argue with the results the past two years. What’s more impressive is that his road splits are better by almost a full earned run than the pitcher’s haven that is Wilmington.
by MightyMoose on Sep 10, 2025 7:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
royals
Hosmer B+ - skeptical early but ridiculously high groundball rate is far and away his most glaring flaw. Impressive physical potential both offensively and defensively, some minor tweaks should get him going.
Moustakas - I can’t decide if he’s a B or a B+. The talent says B+, but his utter collapse in plate discipline at the higher level killed his bat and his defense is not improving. I really thought he was going to break out this year, but I feel uneasy about him now.
Montgomery - B+ . . .he’d be a B with breakout potential except that the HR rate (long a personal favorite statistical marker of mine) is just plain terrific for a relatively unrefined 19/20 year old pitcher advancing to A+ in his first pro season. I hope they let him start next year at A+ to get into a groove.
Duffy . . .I don’t know. I’ve liked him for a while but can’t decide if he’s B or B+. What was his fastball working at throughout the season? I know it looked great in a relief outing at his ASG but not sure what it was as a starter.
by mrkupe on Sep 11, 2025 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Duffy is 88-92. touches 93.
unless i’ve heard wrong.
i agree with your grades also. i’d even consider an A- for Monty but hey i’m biased. i love him. no homo.
i wanna see how Moose does on the AFL before i decide on a grade. not that the AFL is a great indicator of future success…but it’d help show if playing in Wilmington did hurt him or not.
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by doublestix on Sep 11, 2025 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think that Wilmington had anything to do with his .297 OBP
Maybe he just sucks.
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by Frederick0220 on Sep 11, 2025 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe
but we’ll see.
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by doublestix on Sep 11, 2025 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He could definitely break out next year
I’m pretty intrigued with Montgomery.
What’s his stuff been like this year?
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by Frederick0220 on Sep 11, 2025 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fastball 90-94, good change, improving curve. also has a palm ball that he uses as some sort of curve but is trying to go the more traditional curve. he’s getting better as the season has gone on despite getting bumped to High-A. had the curve working two starts ago when he struck out 12 in 6 2/3 innings.
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by doublestix on Sep 11, 2025 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's Hosmer #1 in this system, Montgomery #2
When you go through the Seven Skills, Hosmer looks like a decent bet to be at least above-average in six of them. That’s an awfully nice package.
I’m leaning towards B for Moustakas at the moment. He didn’t get better in any way this year and he went backwards in some ways. His upside is obvious (I think BA still graded him as a future 70/70 contact/power guy, which is a pretty ballsy projection for anybody, even a guy two years removed from being the #2 pick in the draft, hitting for a .730 OPS in A ball) but plate discipline this bad is troubling.
by mrkupe on Sep 11, 2025 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are the 7 skills?
I assume you’re talking about the 5 tools, plate discipline, and something else….
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by Frederick0220 on Sep 11, 2025 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
classic Sickels
https://www.minorleagueball.com/2007/2/15/15013/7071
Hosmer is above-average in all of those except for speed.
by mrkupe on Sep 12, 2025 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
Sounds interesting
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by Frederick0220 on Sep 12, 2025 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
more
Jeff Bianchi C —> B now — very good defender and improving bat. not sure he’ll hit a ton, but he won’t be a black hole and can really pick it.
Kila Monster B —> C+ now - last year was too good to be true, but he can get on base and hit vs RHP. that has some value.
David Lough C —> B now — break out year for him. good in center, great in a corner and he can hit. want him to be more patient, but like the low strikeout rate.
Carlos Rosa B —> B??? now — still throws really hard and has a good slider. also learning a split. got first ML appearance today and was sitting 94-97. maybe a C+ here but the stuff is electric.
John Lamb C —> B now — breakout candidate for next year. but he’s terrific. the gamble in the 5th round last year is paying off so far.
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dumb
Bianchi, Lough, Rosa, and Lamb were all B-’s from me.
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Lamb looks like a left-handed Jered Weaver
I’m looking forward to what he’s gonna do in the MWL next year.
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by Frederick0220 on Sep 11, 2025 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
some Giants
Bumgarner - was A, now A- (don’t bash me, I think he greatly benefits from a full season at AAA).
Villalona - was B now B-
Posey - was A-, now A
others:
I’d bump Waldis Joaquin to a B-, Dan Runzler to a B-, Conor Gillaspie and Nick Noonan to a C+
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Andrew Cashner B+
Dominating stuff, just needs more innings and consistency to make more believers.
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by Dewey Finn on Sep 10, 2025 9:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hanson
He’s graduated, but are you cottoning to him yet. I think Hellickson may be for you what Hanson was last year. Not meaning to needle you, I respect going out on a limb…I wouldn’t say you are the Armond White of minor league critics (film critic reference).
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Hanson
Has two plus pitches. My concern for him as the flyballs, but that appears to be less of an issue in the light hitting NL, than what Hellboy will have to deal with in the AL East.
As far as I know, Hellickson has 1 borderline plus pitch, which I think might be exaggerated (fastball).
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by Dewey Finn on Sep 10, 2025 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
flyballs
I know that was the concern. I don’t know. he has to face the Phils, Utley, Howard, Ibanez all lefty power, Werth. The Nats hitting wasn’t awful this year. The Mets were weak this year.
Hellboy will certainly have to face better hitters regularly, but I take that into consideration. Who he faces I don’t care. It’s his relative performance. His homer rate last year certainly scared me. But he has really turned it on.
by wobatus on Sep 10, 2025 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can buy that
I could also buy B. On potential, and based on the limitations he was under, a B+ works, but he also has a lot of work to do, from improving the change, to consistency with the slider and so forth.
by toonsterwu on Sep 15, 2025 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jordan Lyles A-
Hopefully goes straight to AA next year and picks up where he left off.
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by Dewey Finn on Sep 10, 2025 9:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree,
and I think he will be starting next year at 19 years-old in AA.
Anybody in Texas will be able to watch Lyles v. Perez.
Hawt damn.
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by Frederick0220 on Sep 10, 2025 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would go B+...
a lot of potential, but he still has a pretty high chance at being a bust. Too young yet and has proven too little to be an A-.
by joegonzo on Sep 11, 2025 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that matchup happens
you can bet I will go out to Frisco for that.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Sep 12, 2025 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh, anybody?
Texas is an utterly huge state . . .I live in Austin, which is about 3-3.5 hours from both of those places.
It’s doable but it’s probably a multi-day trip to make it worth the while.
by mrkupe on Sep 12, 2025 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by PaulThomas on Sep 12, 2025 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't lived there
but I can see it on a map.
by wobatus on Sep 12, 2025 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But...
Round Rock is right next to Austin. So you could watch their AA matchup pretty easily.
Though your point about Texas being a huge state is correct. I live in Abilene and to go anywhere else worth a damn it takes at least 2 and a half hours.
by wolviex18 on Sep 13, 2025 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Round Rock
Used to be the Houston AA club, but it moved to AAA (at Nolan Ryan’s instigation IIRC). The Houston AA club is actually now in Corpus Christi.
Off the top of my head . . .your closest minor league team is Midland?
by mrkupe on Sep 13, 2025 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thomas Neal A-
Has done nothing but hit ALL season long. Excellent power + avg combo.
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by Dewey Finn on Sep 10, 2025 9:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Let's see how he hits outside the Cal League first
He could just be the next Aaron Bates.
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by Frederick0220 on Sep 10, 2025 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd call that comparing apples and oranges but...
I think apples and tapirs would be more accurate.
Bates was a 23-year-old, one-dimensional polished college guy coming off a strong professional debut in short season, playing his home games in freaking Lancaster. Thomas Neal is none of those things.
And for what it’s worth, Bates followed his big year with a 900+ OPS in AA.
by realitypolice on Sep 11, 2025 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This Cal League criticism doesn't really work for Neal
as he plays his home games in an extremely pitcher-friendly park.
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by hero66 on Sep 12, 2025 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mcovey Chronicles
said someone at BA said he might be outside the top 100 looking in. I found that hard to believe. Even the optimists over there were saying 35 at best. I tend to agree with you. I don’t mind 21 high A, 22 AA 23 AAA. If he hits he hits. And he was hurt. I like Desme too, but he is even older and his k rate is higher. Neal will be a great hitter.
by wobatus on Sep 10, 2025 9:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thomas Neal 2010 gameplan
- begins in Richmond
- promote to Fresno post-ASB
- September call-up
that would be nice
by TimLaser and MattyC on Sep 11, 2025 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's a corner outfielder without pedigree in A ball.
Usually BA doesn’t get the have-bat-will-travel guys too wrong . . .nice hitter but if somebody said right now that his upside is league-average RF, I don’t think you’d find too many complainers over there.
by mrkupe on Sep 11, 2025 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
League average rf
The 15th ranked rightfielder in wOBA is Milton Bradley. Actually not a bad comp maybe. Milton was second rounder though. And he was ops .917 in AA at 21. But a league average rf is fairly valuable.
The 8th ranked rightfielder is Andre Ethier at a .376 wOBA. When he was in high A he was 22 years old and his slash line was .313/.383/.442. He was a second round pick draft pack, back end, number 62. But he was thought of as a safe college guy, decent bet to be good but not a super star.
Neal’s slash line is .337/.431/.579. A 20% k rate seems manageable. He has a high babip but even normalized his line is good. Luck adjusted: .312/.415/.550.
Maybe the lack of pedigree is worrisome, but not like he was awful before and coming out of nowhere. In 2008 at 20 in the Sally he was .293/.373/.490 park and luck adjusted.
The guy is obviously just a good hitter, and I haven’t heard he can’t field. Outside the top 100 is really hard to believe. I think he is a top 15 hitter. No doubt in my mind.
by wobatus on Sep 11, 2025 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
neal
I was just citing reasons why BA wouldn’t be big on him. Of course, they also talk to scouts from that league, and obviously they’re going to ask about a guy with a 1.000+ OPS . . .could it be that the scouts see a decent hitter with good polish just beating up on a league that he’s too advanced for?
If he’s among the top 15 as a corner outfielder in A ball, then basically you’re saying he projects to be something like a plus-plus hitter for both contact and power at the major league level. Are you THAT bullish on him?
by mrkupe on Sep 12, 2025 3:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am
But I can understand the concerns. I think people think there are tons of rf who just mash all the time. The position isn’t all that deep. Werth and Ethier are above-average, and I certainly think Neal can be that, although they were high draft picks and he wasn’t. Werth and Ethier were rated fairly highly, maybe not 15 by the time they were AAA. But they should have been, given how they turned out.
He is better this year and last year than you’d think if you imagine it is all a high babip. His adjusted lines were good and he was not old for the leagues, spending most of the season at 20 in sally and 21 in A ball. I see him like I saw Michael Taylor last year (although even younger), and I thought he was really underrated, and posted as such during the community poll. I argued for him much earlier than where he ended up. And I see Neal in a similar light (even though taylor was a big time college guy who disappointed at Stanford). Not exact same type of hitter, but I see folks underrating him Neal in the same way.
by wobatus on Sep 12, 2025 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
top 25 hitters then
I think he belongs in overall top 50. But I am surprised, even given their bent, that he might not make the top 100 at BA. 3 guys who were honorable mention in their mid-season top 25 (so basically top 50) really slumped: Weglarz, Chisenhall and Hosmer, if I am not mistaken.
by wobatus on Sep 12, 2025 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
projectprospect
doesn’t have him in their September 1 top 25 position players. They are a little unique in their list. But Saunders, for example, is top 25 in their list and BA’s mid-season top 25. He seems to be K’ing a lot in the majors, but I suppose folks like him better. PP also has Darnell in top 25. 3B I guess more value, but he isn’t all that young. Nice hitter. Also Alex Avila. Interesting. And Caleb Gindl. I have Neal ahead of him. Weglarz too. I know he has a very low babip, but I have a hard time putting him ahead of Neal. And Kalish. Nice progression. Will he stay in cf?
Neal isn’t even one of their 5 honorable mentions.
I guess I am being a little singular. Although I know Dewey loves him too.
by wobatus on Sep 12, 2025 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there he is
Project prospect has him in tier 2 of guys under consideration, basically making him among their top 35 or so positional players. I think.
by wobatus on Sep 12, 2025 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
examples
Werth was a failed catching prospect who ended up figuring things out as an outfielder in his late 20s . . .not exactly something you could project. Ethier is better as a comp, a guy who everybody thought would hit but not as well as he actually has. That’s probably a realistic approximation of his upside.
I don’t know. My guess (although I readily admit that I have nothing but intuition here) is that the scouting word on Neal is that he’s an above-average/plus hitter with good polish who spent the year beating up on competition that he was too advanced for by June. That’s obviously not a bad thing, but it also means that there’s really only so much you can take from those numbers before you say that we need info from higher levels.
I am very skeptical that he is a 70 contact 70 power guy, though. That’d be a pretty major miss by the scouts at this point, especially after they’ve gotten to see him hit pretty well in the Sally League last year and then his performance this year.
by mrkupe on Sep 12, 2025 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
60/60 is a lot more likely than 70/70...
and would still be pretty good.
Neal’s definitely better than Giants outfield prospects of the recent vintage because he actually knows how to take a walk. Probably in the 50-75 range for me.
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by PaulThomas on Sep 12, 2025 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I certainly don't disagree
That’s enough to start as a major league corner outfielder. But it wouldn’t make for an above-average corner outfielder.
Let’s use the interesting example of Matt LaPorta here, a very similar prospect to Neal. Unlike Neal, his power grades out as a consensus 70. Last year LaPorta played great in AA at an age 2 years older than Neal played at this year - the difference in competition quality and the fact that Neal is mostly maxed out physically mitigates the age difference for me.
BA put LaPorta up at No. 27. Were they wrong for that? Certainly guys whose value is mostly tied to their bat depend much more on proving that bat’s worth at higher levels than guys who can contribute in multiple ways.
by mrkupe on Sep 12, 2025 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
27 overall
So that is about a top 15 hitter, which is about what i am suggesting. But of course, we can wait and se how he does in Connecticut.
by wobatus on Sep 12, 2025 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
right
LaPorta was in AA though, Neal was in A ball, big difference as I said. If you translate Neal’s line this year to Connecticut, it comes out at .298/.363/.488 (.851 OPS). That would be very solid production, although obviously there’s a lot to be said for needing to actually see the player put up those numbers in reality.
LaPorta was a couple of years older, but the guy put up a .978 OPS in AA before getting traded to Cleveland. Adjusting for Neal’s age, he’d probably need to put up a .900+ OPS next year in AA to be considered among the best hitting prospects (I’m not going to use your 27 overall/top 15 idea, because that varies way too much from year to year). This year? Probably somewhere in the 60-80 range, or maybe less if you don’t think his game projects well to the major league level.
I just really hope that people aren’t just going off of his numbers and saying “there’s no way that a guy who puts up the numbers like he did this year isn’t a major leaguer!”
by mrkupe on Sep 13, 2025 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
above-average corner outfielder
Among the top 15 rightfielders by WAR this year are Zobrist, Werth, Choo, Ryan Sweeney, Nelson Cruz, Ethier, Hunter Pence, Ludwick, Milton Bradley. Some guys are doing it by fielding, some came out of nowhere. Few of them were A rated guys ijn the minors, yet they are “above average”, better than half the rightfielders out there, this year. Not necessarily consistently yet. But I don’t see how Neal doesn’t have a very good shot at being an above-average corner outfielder, and I think his fielding isn’t supposed to be awful. He isn’t Randy Winn (number 16 btw). But if he is ok in right, he could be a top half of the league corner. I think he has a good shot at that. Now, he is only in high A, and of course doing very well in AA will up his grade. I think he’ll do it. Just like I thought Taylor would after last year.
by wobatus on Sep 12, 2025 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grant Desme B+
On his way to becoming an excellent all round player. I think the Ks will come down as he gets more experience (missed a lot of development time due to injuries).
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by Dewey Finn on Sep 10, 2025 9:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think I could go above B for Desme
He had a great season and I am excited but his extensive inury history, high K-rate, and some concerns about sample size keep me from going too high on him.
The ARL doesn’t really bother me because of the strength of his performance combined with lack of experience, and from what I’ve heard he is a pretty good defender in CF which helps his value.
He looks like a pretty good 4-tool player right now but I need to see more to settle my concerns over his contact ability and health.
by DiegoAsFan on Sep 10, 2025 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joshua Bell B+
Excellent acquisition by the Orioles. Kid can hit and is the long-term 3B solution.
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by Dewey Finn on Sep 10, 2025 9:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good call
forgot about Bell. he should be up next year.
by MightyMoose on Sep 10, 2025 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would love to see a video of Bell
He’s an interesting prospect and a top 100 guy IMO, but I’ve seen no video on him.
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by Frederick0220 on Sep 10, 2025 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The above frame is from before Bell lost the weight, I believe.
Link to a few AB’s from last month with a homer included - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnQ6cOlyDhk
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by Baltimo on Sep 11, 2025 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks man
That’s funny, because I saw that same video on baseball-intellect.com just after I made that post.
That little clip looks good to me, as well as the ones on youtube.
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by Frederick0220 on Sep 11, 2025 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brandon Allen A-
This may appear aggressive, but check out his numbers and you shall be impressed.
Very underrated IMO.
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by Dewey Finn on Sep 10, 2025 9:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
check out his non-pcl numbers and you shall be discouraged
probably a solid B
by Craig Grebeck on Sep 11, 2025 3:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd go B
maybe maybe B+
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I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Sep 11, 2025 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Josh Thole B+
Yes I know he doesn’t have much power, but that’s not his game. LOVE his approach at the plate and will consistently hit for high averages.
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by Dewey Finn on Sep 10, 2025 9:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thole/Yadi Molina
I know Mets fans will hate that comp, if only due to 2006. And Thole’s minor league lines weren’t as good as Thole’s. But his number this year and last year are similar to Thole’s minor league numbers, bumped down for the majors. Very low k rate, a little higher walk rate, not much power, contact and average.
I think Thole could out do the hitting line. Yadi is a much better fielder of course. But yadi’s hitting isn’t awful.
by wobatus on Sep 10, 2025 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That speaks to how borderline Thole might be
Though I think it’s likely he walks a bit more. I basically see a 2007 Luis Castillo sans the steals.
by Fanon on Sep 11, 2025 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A better hitter than Molina
That is what I suggested and that is not a bad hitter for a catcher.
Molina is 11th of 24 catchers in the majors with 300 PAs or more in wOBA at .332.
Last year he was 12th out of 29 with 300 PA or more witha wOBA of .323.
Molina is only 27. catchers develop later as hitters is a common wisdom, which i haven’t researched, but I always use Mike Stanley as an example (right before they start to decline physcially unfortunately).
But Molina is evidently about the 12th or so best hitting regular catchers in baseball, he is in the 10-15 range 2 years in a row.
His walk rate is 10% this year. His strikeout rate is 7.6%, which is the lowest of any catcher. last year his k rate was sub 7%.
Thole’s AA walk and k rates: 9.9%/8.9%.
I don’t think Yadi Molina isa borderline hitter, although perhaps you meant since Thole’s fielding is not advertised as great (he had a decent catcher caught stealing rate this year, fwiw), if all he has to go on is the hitting, and that is BA dependent…well, he may be borderline. But i think he will be good enough on both counts to eventually be among the top 10-15 catchers overall. Not a star maybe but solidly above replacement. And he could bust out for some bigger years. He did hit 5 homers and ISO .127 in FSL the year before at age 21.
by wobatus on Sep 11, 2025 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it was the fielding
I like him, I think he’s definitely got a shot to be a decent starting catcher, but not a chance in hell would I go B+ with him. B, maybe, B- more likely. I like him a lot, but I see more Gregg Zaun than anything else; that’s a good player, a good starter even, but I don’t think we’re quite to the point that we know he’ll be a starter yet.
I do realize his defense was better this season, but I’m not entirely convinced he’s going to be a starter on a first division club.
by Fanon on Sep 11, 2025 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thole is a C+ for me
Hard to rate a low-ceiling guy who is a borderline everyday player higher than that.
by T Pac on Sep 11, 2025 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's hard to see him not settling in as a solid bench guy though
He’s got contact skills and tolerable defense, for a backup. And a solid backup 200 AB backup catcher is a B- type.
by Fanon on Sep 11, 2025 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll give him a B.
I also love his approach, and I agree, I think he’ll hit for high average as well.
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by squid92 on Sep 11, 2025 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
B-/C+
Look, I love guys with great control of the strike zone, but Thole hits for no power, which I think will severely hamper his offensive ceiling going forward. And while he’ll stick at catcher at this point, he doesn’t provide a ton of defensive value.
Look at him compared to Lou Marson. Marson’s Double-A season last year — when he was 8 months younger than Thole, comparatively — was very similar, except Marson both walked and struck out more. His ISO was actually higher (.102 to .094), his wOBA was higher (.391 to .373), and the concerns over his defense weren’t as grave. Yet John only gave him a C+ due to the little power approach, and while I disagreed at the time, it turns out John couldn’t have been more right.
I think I’d ultimately settle on B-, but anything above that is wishcasting.
by PhillyFriar on Sep 13, 2025 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jaff Decker A-
Advanced hitter at such a young age.
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by Dewey Finn on Sep 10, 2025 9:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
-1
Advanced weight too!
KG said conditioning is going to be a real problem for him. When you are (body wise) compared to Matt Stairs, that’s never a good thing.
by MightyMoose on Sep 10, 2025 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When KG's actually seen the kid, I'll give a shit what he thinks
by realitypolice on Sep 11, 2025 3:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
B+
Travis Snider light(no not his weight, but his hitting ability).
by joegonzo on Sep 11, 2025 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Decker actually had a 54 point higher OPS than Snider
when Snider was in the MWL.
I don’t think there’s much separation at all between the two, although I do feel that Snider is the superior hitter.
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by Frederick0220 on Sep 11, 2025 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a baseball player, not a marathon runner
A- fo Decker.
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by Frederick0220 on Sep 11, 2025 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If these guys are A-
what is a prospect like Carlos Santana, an A+++++?
I think you’re at least a half a grade high on these (Neal, Decker, et al).
by gogotabata on Sep 10, 2025 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some Others
Daniel Hudson, C+ now B+ : What a year for Hudson. He’s added some velocity and improved his secondary pitches. Good chance to break camp in the rotation next year.
Derek Norris, B- now A- : Big time power, Looks like Adam Dunn type numbers behind the plate. Defence has improved from scouting reports but still having problems behind the plate. Bat should play.
Alex Liddi, C+ now B : I’m not sold on him because it’s the Cal league and look at the home/road splits (HR’s). Still he’s only 21 (just turned) and he’s turned some heads.
Lonnie Chisenhall, C+ now B+ : Has handled the move from SS to 3B very well defensively. Offensively he’s put up solid power numbers while showing some improving patience. Already into double A, he’s gonna make a lot of teams regret not taking him last year.
Jenrry Mejia, C+ now B : This kid could be something special. I would’ve given him a B+, but the walks and secondary pitches are an issue. If these develop I could see him moving quickly.
Casey Crosby, C+ now B : Crosby only a year removed from surgery has got his velocity back and pitched very well this year from all accounts. If he can maintain momentum without any injury setbacks next year, he could definitely move into the A- area, imo.
by MightyMoose on Sep 10, 2025 9:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i put norris and mejia
at B+. Mejia is electric, and Norris’s D isn’t great and I want to see him at a higher level.
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by gore51 on Sep 10, 2025 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pretty close
Mejia needs to show more command. The ceiling is there, but I think for right now B+ is a bit pre-mature.
If i’m not mistaken Norris has been able to throw out a good percentage of base stealers and it’s the passballs. I’m high on his so I wouldn’t really argue that the B+ is probably about right.
by MightyMoose on Sep 10, 2025 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mejia's command
His command was really solid in High-A (2.9 BB/9) and only spiked after he got to Double-A. Considering he’s only 19, I’m willing to assume that it had more to do with facing competition four years older than him than any actual control problem.
by Fanon on Sep 11, 2025 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's only 19, and been playing baseball for 2 or 3 years.
His BB/9 was awesome in A+, where he was very young for the age. If Bumgarner’s an A-, Mejia’s at least a B+.
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by squid92 on Sep 11, 2025 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
B+ for Mejia, at least.
And Chisenhall’s numbers aren’t impressive enough for a B+ ranking.
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by squid92 on Sep 11, 2025 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
B for Mejia...
Amazing stuff, but injury concerns and bust potential hold him back a bit.
by joegonzo on Sep 11, 2025 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Injury concerns?
One finger injury that keeps a guy out for a month when he has not nearly enough stamina to pitch a full season is hardly an “injury concern”. B+ it is, then.
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by squid92 on Sep 11, 2025 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This finger thing kills me
It’s always repeated by detractors, and it’s 50/50 as to whether it was an actual injury or just a fake injury to get him some rest.
I’m also curious, btw, why the Mets are sending Mejia to the Arizona Fall League. Do they want his arm to fall off, or is this an accident?
by JayWise on Sep 12, 2025 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least he'll be prepared to be a Met.
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by squid92 on Sep 12, 2025 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's only got 95 innings
He should get another 15-20 to keep him on track to be able to handle a full season by the time he’s in the majors.
by Fanon on Sep 13, 2025 5:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
for the league he was in, yes they are
baseball rules.
by doublestix on Sep 11, 2025 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then Ruben Tejada's a B+
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by squid92 on Sep 11, 2025 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he is.
But if Chisenhall’s that highly rated, you have to rate all the guys who hit well and are quite young for their age level highly as well.
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by squid92 on Sep 11, 2025 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No you don't
Numbers are only half of the story, if that.
by alskor on Sep 13, 2025 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I know.
But it sometimes seems arbitrary which guys are recognized as deserving of more love than their numbers.
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by squid92 on Sep 13, 2025 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely true
but scouts LOVE Chisenhall. His tools are great. He has the pedigree. He’s not just a guy who came out of nowhere and performed well ARL.
by alskor on Sep 13, 2025 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not sure how well the power holds up at higher levels
But above-average contact bat with a good glove is a nice prospect.
Matt Dominguez or Chisenhall?
by mrkupe on Sep 13, 2025 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I definitely take Chisenhall
though I like Dominguez a bit and think he gets a bad rap around here to some degree.
by alskor on Sep 14, 2025 3:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
never been impressed with his defense
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by squid92 on Sep 13, 2025 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sounds decent
I don’t think anybody’s expecting him to win Gold Gloves anytime soon, but he should be at least average with the potential to be better than that.
by mrkupe on Sep 13, 2025 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was moved from SS in the spring
and there was plenty of speculation he might stick at SS. His arm is very good, too. His defense is not an issue.
by alskor on Sep 14, 2025 3:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
defense
I don’t think he was ever going to be a shortstop . . .the scouts thought he was going to move and obviously Cleveland moved him anyways. That was just hype talk taken from some positive remarks about his defense.
The skepticism about his defense probably arises from his very bumpy start at 3B while learning the position, but he should be fine long-term.
by mrkupe on Sep 14, 2025 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the bumpy start was b/c there really wasnt a plan to move him off SS
It was done in ST, so he was forced to learn on the job rather than have an offseason to prepare.
by alskor on Sep 14, 2025 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
some pads
kyle blanks - was B+, now A-, he looks like a pretty great hitter who needs a position
jaff decker - was B, now A-, just a tremendous hitter, Brian Giles in his prime-esque
mat latos - was B, now A-, he Decker and Blanks look like the future of the Pads along with other guys like Everth Cabrera, Chase Headley, ect.
james darnell- was b-, now B
logan forsythe, was C+, now B-
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by gore51 on Sep 10, 2025 9:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What about Simon Castro?
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by OldProspects on Sep 11, 2025 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
stock definitely up
but I don’t know enough about him to give him a letter grade
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by gore51 on Sep 11, 2025 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
Its close… C+ or B- probably fits best for Castro. Based on the reports, I’m currently leaning B- as he really put up spectactular numbers and has the stuff to back it up.
by thudean on Sep 14, 2025 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That strikes me as pretty conservative, actually
I think he’s a B
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by OldProspects on Sep 14, 2025 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I concur
Unreal k/bb rate, and with really strong reports.
by gogotabata on Sep 14, 2025 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
mixed
I think Blanks is a B+ . . .“needs a position” is not something I want to hear about a guy who strikes out that much. Exceptionally big guys almost always have strike zone adjustment issues, and Blanks, despite his upside, is no exception . . .55 Ks in 166 PAs is crazy high.
On the other hand, I think Forsythe is worth a B . . .great first half, good plate discipline, probably converts to 2B at the major league level. Darnell might be a B+ . . .killer blend of tools and performance, although he might end up in the outfield. Would have to think on that one.
by mrkupe on Sep 13, 2025 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
some Indians
carlos santana- was B+, now A-
hector rondon- was B, still B
nick weglarz- was B-, now a B/B+, his BABIP #s this year were AWFUL
jason knapp- I’d say he’s a B/B+ too, huge ceiling
lonnie chisenhall- was B-, now B+, the #2 3B prospect behind alvarez (#1 if you said Pedro is a 1B)
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by gore51 on Sep 10, 2025 10:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rondon
B+ to me.
Weglarz, only a B, too.
by alskor on Sep 11, 2025 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would lean full A for Santana as well.
by alskor on Sep 13, 2025 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
He is going to be special.
by wobatus on Sep 13, 2025 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
some Rays
Jennings - A-
Hellickson- A-
Beckham- A-
Davis- A-
Moore- A-/B+
Brignac- A-/B+
Jennings, Hellickson, Davis, Brignac, Beckham, Moore > Your top 3
by Dbullsfan on Sep 11, 2025 12:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ummmm
i’d put them
jennings-A
hellickson-B+
beckham-B+
Davis-B+
Moore-B+
Brignac-B
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by gore51 on Sep 11, 2025 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's closer to realism
baseball rules.
by doublestix on Sep 11, 2025 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd imagine Hellickson would be in the top 20 next season
wouldn’t that make him an A-
I’m still fairly new to the grading system, always been a big baseball/minor league baseball fan but just recently got into the blogs and stuff.
Jennings, Hellickson, Davis, Brignac, Beckham, Moore > Your top 3
by Dbullsfan on Sep 11, 2025 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably more...
Beckham B
Moore B
Brignac B-
by joegonzo on Sep 11, 2025 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't think Brignac is one of about the best 150 prospects out there?
Usually John’s B+s run to about 70 or so, and the Bs run to about 200.
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kinslerhomer and other rangers fans, feel free to correct me....
feliz-A to A
smoak-A- to A-
andrus-A- to A
holland-B+ to B+
teagarden-B to C+
borbon-B to B
beltre-B to C+
main-B to C+
ramirez-B to C+
perez-B- to A (yes, a straight up “A”)
kiker-B- to B
tommy hunter-C+ to B
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by gore51 on Sep 11, 2025 1:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
robbie ross
C+ to B
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by gore51 on Sep 11, 2025 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Andrus is not a prospect...
everything sounds ok.
by joegonzo on Sep 11, 2025 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know
but I like doing players who’s ML career is still very new and intriguing
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by gore51 on Sep 11, 2025 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Andrus is a A++++++++++++ :)
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by Kinslerhomer on Sep 12, 2025 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ugh
an*
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Sep 12, 2025 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Darren Ford
Things started to click for him post-ASB (.354/.414/.563) when he gave up switch hitting. But he’s soon to be 24 and 2009 is his 3rd year in A+. Thoughts?
by TimLaser and MattyC on Sep 11, 2025 2:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ian Desmond
I have no idea?
Mourning Guy Carbonneau...
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by playingwithfire on Sep 11, 2025 2:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tough one
This season was terrific and it looks like he can stick at short. Considering where he was last year, I can justify a B-. However, if you rely more heavily on his numbers this season, I can see giving him a B+.
However he grades out, he’s got a promising future.
by seabass on Sep 11, 2025 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pirates...
Rudy Owens B-
Tim Alderson B
Brad Lincoln B+
Starling Marte B-
by joegonzo on Sep 11, 2025 5:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
others
pedro alvarez - was A- now A-
andrew mccutchen - was B+ now A-
jose tabata - was B+ now B+
bryan morris-was B- now C+
daniel mccutchen-was C+ now B
neil walker- was C+, now B-
I’d keep Lincoln as a B too
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by gore51 on Sep 11, 2025 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think A. McCutchen has had too many at bats or too much time to still be considered a prospect
If he hasn’t yet, he’ll almost certainly be there by the end of the season. But feel free to check and let me know if I’m wrong.
by JayWise on Sep 12, 2025 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he definitely is not a prospect
but i like doing rookie players and how they’ve panned out so far (ie Elvis Andrus)
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by gore51 on Sep 12, 2025 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
some phillies
carlos carrasco-was B, still B
michael taylor-was B, now B+
travis d’arnaud-was B, now C+
jason donald-was B-, now C+
domonic brown-was B-, now A-
zach collier - was B-, now C+
jason knapp- was B-, now B/B+, lean slightly towards B+
kyle drabek-was C+, now B+/A-
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by gore51 on Sep 11, 2025 9:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
meh
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by squid92 on Sep 11, 2025 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Taylor has to be an A-
He’s a massive athletic monster, who’s gonna hit for average and power, while possessing solid speed.
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by Frederick0220 on Sep 11, 2025 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question from a Twins Fan....
Does Angel Morales move up from C+ to B- ?
yet ?
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Sep 11, 2025 10:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yankees changes
Montero b+ to a -
betances b- to c
mcallister b- to b
brackman c+ to c
buenelos unranked to b-
by dewallace on Sep 12, 2025 9:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Chase d'Arnaud
Joh n did not rank him among the Pirates top 20, so he would have been a C or below. He was 22 starting the year in low A, but he ended up in Lynchburg, ok power for a middle infielder if he sticks, will take a walk and steal a base, doesn’t strike out a ton. B- with a bullet.
by wobatus on Sep 12, 2025 1:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
SS Danny Espinosa
C to B+ He’s showing power no one knew he had. But his defense is the best part of his game.
Be real with yourself.
by Daggerrrrrr on Sep 12, 2025 3:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Espinosa
has done well in all facets of the game minus contact.
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by Frederick0220 on Sep 12, 2025 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about Familia?
And Kirk Neieheicuheuwenhuis
by JayWise on Sep 12, 2025 3:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nieuwenhuis:
B- sounds about right.
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by squid92 on Sep 12, 2025 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Somewhere around there.
His end of season surge was pretty terrific.
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by squid92 on Sep 13, 2025 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baseball America really seemed to develop a crush on him
Didn’t he make 3 hot sheets in a row, followed by their “helium watch” section of the year end summary hot sheet?
Toby at MetsMinorLeague also indicated that he learned to pull inside pitches for xbh, and that’s why he is now a total stud.
by JayWise on Sep 13, 2025 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
KG fell in love too
He was in like 50% of the minor league updates the last few weeks.
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by Meddler on Sep 14, 2025 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ike and Neal
I see Ike Davis and Thomas Neal both made the season ending hot sheet at BA. That doesn’t necessarily make them top 20, but among the 20 most impressive seasons, hitters and pitchers included, per BA.
A-/B+ cusp.
by wobatus on Sep 13, 2025 12:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I really like Neal.
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by squid92 on Sep 13, 2025 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Koby Clemens looks pretty legit at this point
Though I don’t know what letter grade I would actually give him.
by Fanon on Sep 13, 2025 7:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good question
Good eye at the plate, decent power, not sure where that batting average came from!
Doesn’t sound like he really has a major league position right now, though. Possible major league comp: Ryan Garko? Not saying that he’ll make it, but definite similarities there . . .
by mrkupe on Sep 13, 2025 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll tell you where it came from...
that .425 BABIP! wow that’s one of the highest full season BABIP’s I’ve ever seen.
by soxkid on Sep 13, 2025 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His numbers were dominant enough
That I’m willing to kind of give him a pass.
by Fanon on Sep 14, 2025 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know how much I trust minorleaguesplits.com
But his numbers neutralized for park and luck, are still an extremely respectable .285/.368/.526/.894.
by Fanon on Sep 14, 2025 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I know
I think the average is pretty fluky, but he does have discipline and some pop. I think he gets dissed a bit for having spent two years at each level of A ball, but not really that bad. He gets praise for his makeup and headiness, and if you think about it, 2009 would have been either his senior season at Texas or his first full year of pro ball out of college.
He’s still a guy I really won’t get TOO excited about until he can do something in AA, but given the way Thomas Neal gets talked up around herel, you’d think Clemens and his superior OPS would get more attention.
by mrkupe on Sep 14, 2025 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
btw
matusz is being shut down, so he will still be a prospect
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