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3 months ago: San Francisco Giants' Madison Bumgarner pitches against the San Diego Padres in the first inning of a baseball game in San Francisco, Tuesday, Sept. 8, 2009. (AP Photo/Jeff Chiu)

I should have the Angels done soon. The next team on the list is the San Francisco Giants, to be followed by the Baltimore Orioles.

Use this thread to discuss the Giants farm system. Everyone knows about the key prospects here such as Bumgarner and Posey, but who do you like as sleeper picks?

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bumgarner has a wierd ass delivery……

what other leftys are there who bring the ball back THAT much

by matthewmafa on Nov 23, 2025 2:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Holland

but maybe not that far

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by Kinslerhomer on Nov 23, 2025 2:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not sure it’s as dramatic as it looks. I think it’s partly the angle.

Or at the very least, other guys do it too

But the fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright Brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.

by gorilla_baller on Nov 23, 2025 3:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

From what I’ve seen of him, the picture actually looks pretty accurate.

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by raisingcain on Nov 23, 2025 8:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Brett Cecil

has a similar motion

by jibs on Nov 23, 2025 4:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

first guy

who came to my mind

by richieabernathy on Nov 23, 2025 4:21 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Not a lefty...

But Jered Weaver is very similar mechanically.

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by vtcub on Nov 23, 2025 5:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Guys I like

Brandon Crawford - Amazing defensive SS with some upside with the bat. He has to actually turn his tools into actual hitting ability, but he can take a walk and has a little power. Combined with the great defense, he could be an amazing player. I think, worst case scenario, he’s an ok all-glove player, which is nice at SS when he’s cheap.

Roger Kieschnick - Another toolsy guy that needs some refinement. Needs to improve his plate discipline. He’s got some legit power though.

Rafael Rodgriguez - Mostly projection at this point, but with his tools, and his impressive plate discipline at age 17, he’s a very interesting prospect.

Hector Sanchez - Not sure about his defense behind the plate, but a 19 year old catching prospect that walks almost as much as he strikes out is nice.

Jorge Bucardo - Strikeouts and groundballs are a great combo. I’ve read reports that believe he could add velocity, FWIW.

Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.

by marcello on Nov 23, 2025 3:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

second on Bucardo the younger

..if he can maintain the groundball tendency at higher levels. An open question: he hasn’t pitched outside short-season ball yet and getting advanced hitters to pound your pitches into the dirt is a while lot harder.

by wcw on Nov 23, 2025 3:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Obviously I’m another big supporter of Jorge Bucardo. In addition, Jose Casilla’s another young pitcher who seems to get nothing but groundballs and Ks. Frankly, I’d like to see the Giants try him in the starting rotation in Augusta this year. A kid with his peripherals needs all the innings they can throw at him.

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by Roger on Nov 23, 2025 3:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hector Sanchez – Not sure about his defense behind the plate, but a 19 year old catching prospect that walks almost as much as he strikes out is nice.

According to Baseball America, Sanchez skills with the glove were what AZL managers talked about most when BA was conducting their league review.

by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Nov 24, 2025 12:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Huge Sanchez fan here

A switch-hitting catcher with a bit of power, good plate discipline, and defensive ability? Yes, please! When Buster moves to 3B, Hector will be the man behind the dish.

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by Lyle on Nov 24, 2025 5:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Tommy Joseph

Anxious to see what you think the Giants have planned for him. Obviously quite a ways away, but does he stay at C? Maybe a move to 1B? Does he have the quickness for a move to 3B? Bat looks to be real good, though.

by another know it all on Nov 23, 2025 3:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

My guess is Joseph ends up at 1B. Hopefully the Giants won’t make that move until he forces it though.

Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.

by marcello on Nov 23, 2025 3:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I second this.

I’ve always thought he lacked catching skills to stick there, but he has some tools to work with. He’ll never be an asset back there, even if he does stay there.

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by Andy Seiler on Nov 23, 2025 11:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Andy,

What do you think of his bat? Approach at the plate?

A poster over at Mccoveychronicles.com was kind enough to post some instructional league footage. Seemed to have a great deal of power in a pretty compact swing for a big man. Reminded me a bit of LaPorta personally.

Thanks.

by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Nov 24, 2025 12:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Great bat.

Elite potential. His calling card is going to be plus power, though his hit tool is above-average, too. His approach was hard to gauge in the spring, because like most elite preps, he got tired of being pitched around and got overanxious. He’s showed a solid-average approach in the past, and I woudn’t be surprised if he turns out to be above-average there, though it’s all about getting in a rhythm. If he starts out his pro career in a slump, it could spiral downward. If he starts out hot, the sky is the limit.

One comp he’s gotten with the bat is Paul Konerko.

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by Andy Seiler on Nov 24, 2025 12:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Darren Ford

Vert fast. Started hitting after he gave up being a switch hitter.

by Gobroks on Nov 23, 2025 3:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I’m really excited to see what lies ahead for Ford. He’s getting long in the tooth for a prospect but if he picks right up where he left off in the second half, he’s going to zoom through the system.

I suspect in reality he’ll struggle with upper minors pitching. His K rate was pretty alarming in the lower minors. Still there’s a lot to like about Ford, he’ll be interesting to follow next year.

by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Nov 24, 2025 12:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

BA Seemed to like his upside

ranked him 20 in the Cal League. I think Next Year is boom or bust for Ford.

by Gobroks on Nov 24, 2025 3:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I did a little write up on Ford earlier

He probably be a good 5th outfielder right now with his blazing speed and good range in CF. Is a great player for exploiting late game, high leverage base running situations. AA will be a real test for him at 23, which is about average age for the league I believe. I see Michael Bourn as his upside, who is himself a late bloomer.

by tdot mariner fan on Nov 26, 2025 8:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Also, Thomas Neal

Had a huge year and burst on to the prospect radar in a big way

by Gobroks on Nov 23, 2025 3:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Sleeper picks

1. Hector Sanchez-DSL prospect, sure, but nice numbers
2. Dan Runzler—Not really a sleeper, but I loved what I saw in his MLB time. Good movement, stuff, poise, control for sure
3. Adam Dunn-wait, what am I doing here?

ok. those are my 3

by Matt Rox on Nov 23, 2025 3:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

What are you doing anywhere really?

I’m really curious about Hector Sanchez as well. He was the future of catching before Pablo was and before Posey was.

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by WalrusMan on Nov 24, 2025 2:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I like Roger Kieschnick and Hector Sanchez a lot.

And Thomas Neal, obviously, but he probably doesn’t qualify as a sleeper anymore.

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by jponry on Nov 23, 2025 3:46 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

A couple guys

Jason Walls, a late draft signing.

Jose Casilla. Supposedly good stuff, excellent year in A-.

by aCone419 on Nov 23, 2025 3:58 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

+1 for Walls

Like it.

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by Andy Seiler on Nov 23, 2025 11:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sleepers?

OK, how about:
1. Francisco Peguero - Recently added to the 40 man roster and Baseball Americas #8 prospect in the Northwest League.
2. Chris Dominguez - BA’s #13 prospect in the NWL. Awesome power potential.
3. Edward Conception - BA’s #13 prospect in the AZL. Throws in the High 90’s.
4. Jason Stoffel - 2009 4th round draft choice with great rookie league stats.
5. Ydwin Villegas - Slick fielding shortshop. Mentioned in the chat as just missing the BA top 20 list for the AZL.

by nelson95 on Nov 23, 2025 4:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

sorry.

I agree with Stoffel. He is going to be good. Posted w/o my message

by sjkqw on Nov 23, 2025 4:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree with stoffel, Conception, and Villegas. I’m also interested to see what Graham and Izturis can do in full season ball (hopefully).

My Bucardo is better than yours.

A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.

by Roger on Nov 23, 2025 6:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Two others:

Eric Surkamp - Gonna keep having to prove it. But if he puts up a similars K/9 at higher levels folks are going to have to start paying attention.

Craig Westcott - 30th round pick. Pitched only one year in college after transferring to Belhaven. In his first year pitching full time he went out and won the Mississippi college player of the year despite playing for an Div. 3 school rather than Ole Miss or MSU. Can hit 93 with the fastball already. I like that his arm is fresh and considering his size (6’4" 220 lbs.) and his recent transition to pitching, I think there might be more velocity there. Outstanding slider, which was probably in large part responsible for the high K rate. Really like him when I saw him pitch.

by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Nov 24, 2025 12:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Chris Dominguez – BA’s #13 prospect in the NWL. Awesome power potential

It’s true — hook him up to a wind machine farm and he could power the western states!

My Bucardo is better than yours.

A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.

by Roger on Nov 23, 2025 6:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I was mad when the Giants took him before the A’s

Sometimes life will strike you out on a curve ball and the only choice you have is to flip off the umpire and walk to first base anyway.

by Threepwood XX on Nov 23, 2025 9:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So he strikes out a lot?

(understatement) But he hit over .320 career at Louisville… will that not transfer to at least .275 in pro ball?

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by 306008 on Nov 24, 2025 1:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's hard to translate college numbers to MLB numbers

But with his strikeout rate in the minors, an admittedly very small sample, he’d be lucky to hit .275. He really needs to refine his approach as the plate.

Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.

by marcello on Nov 24, 2025 1:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He’ll have to figure something out. His debut in the NWL was certainly unimpressive (.254/.298/.442), and that’s likely the easiest competition he’ll see from here on out.

My Bucardo is better than yours.

A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.

by Roger on Nov 24, 2025 2:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Tidrow smiles

by wilriv21 on Nov 24, 2025 4:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sleeper?

Angel Villalona in the Cal Penal League getting anally impaled — rendered in a state of lullaby.

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by Frederick0220 on Nov 23, 2025 4:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

He’s out and no longer convicted of anything at least, but we’ll see how the Giants deal with it this year.

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by WalrusMan on Nov 24, 2025 2:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Clayton Tanner

Very curious as to the popular opinion on Tanner. I know he lacks huge upside, but he just continues to get people out and has a solid pedigree.

by thudean on Nov 23, 2025 5:29 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think he’s definitely got a major league future, though I’m not sure whether it’ll be as a 4th/5th starter type or a LOOGY. I’m interested to see how he does in Richmond next year.

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by jponry on Nov 23, 2025 5:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve always liked Tanner and was disappointed that he was back in SJ this year.

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by WalrusMan on Nov 24, 2025 2:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

some people at MCC love Brock Bond and Brett Pill.

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Nov 23, 2025 5:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

lol

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by jponry on Nov 23, 2025 5:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Pill

Pill is a doubles machine but the question is will some of the doubles turn into homers when he leaves the pitcher friendly parks hes had success in. I’m still super high on him because he’s got a sweet glove from all accounts (and doubles machines work well in our park!), but hes also all ready 25 and was only in AA last year, hopefully he’s just a late bloomer!

by lincecum and cain then pray for rain on Nov 23, 2025 7:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He played in Connecticut. That’s one of the least hitter friendly parks in the minors.

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by boonitez on Nov 23, 2025 9:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

oops

misread that. Nevermind.

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by boonitez on Nov 23, 2025 9:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I love Giants fans

They never let the fact that a guy can’t hit particularly well at AA get in the way of thinking he could be a good big league hitter!

by realitypolice on Nov 24, 2025 11:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I love people with poor comprehension skills and who like to over generalize!

Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.

by marcello on Nov 24, 2025 12:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The reality is that for years, the HR rate and overall SLG was lowered by 30-40% relative to what the hitters did on the road (and same happened for pitchers but for the hitters batting against them) for our prospects playing in Dodd.

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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Nov 27, 2025 7:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bond is moderately interesting in his .400 + OBP

However, his complete paucity of power is extremely worrying, for MLB pitchers will just keep throwing you strikes if you can’t hit the ball hard. I do not know anything scouting wise on his but hist line toned down a bit would be decent with average defense at 2B.

by tdot mariner fan on Nov 26, 2025 8:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Another name that’s come up a few times this offseason is Ryan Cavan, who put up some really nice numbers in ssA this year. I’m not sure he’ll amount to much of anything but I think he’s an interesting sleeper.

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by jponry on Nov 23, 2025 5:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The next generation Kevin Frandsen!

My Bucardo is better than yours.

A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.

by Roger on Nov 23, 2025 6:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

who?

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Nov 23, 2025 6:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Is that like a Dan Ortmeier?

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by jponry on Nov 23, 2025 7:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

are we just making up words now?

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Nov 23, 2025 10:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

plays in the Rockies system.

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by 306008 on Nov 24, 2025 1:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

inside joke

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by jponry on Nov 24, 2025 1:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

plus he doesn’t any more - cut loose on the minor league FA list.

My Bucardo is better than yours.

A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.

by Roger on Nov 24, 2025 2:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

TWSS

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW

by jctGamer on Nov 25, 2025 2:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Who he?

FREE BUSTER POSEY

by djp4cal on Nov 23, 2025 9:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Andy Seiler has a little write up on him in his draft review

You can’t really take anything from a college juniors preformance in short season ball though, especially when considering small sample size concerns. Short season preformances are mainly relevant only for JuCollege, Prep, and International FAs, and even then they tell little. When looking at a 4 year college player’s preformance, I would only take disastrous preformances into account and even then, very little.

by tdot mariner fan on Nov 26, 2025 8:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nick Noonan

Lots of good names put forth thus far. I would like to bring up Nick Noonan, whom many have forgotten about. He was a disappointment to many last year and this year.

However, most have forgotten that he was only 20 years old for the season, starting second year in pros, and playing against pitchers who mostly had anywhere from 3-5 years experience, or 3 to 5 times his experience.

While his overall season numbers were bad again, he boosted them in the last couple of months, despite lower BABIP than earlier in the season, as he started figuring out how not to strike out so much, and the discipline that he was known for when he was drafted returned.

First four months: 37 BB vs. 87 K’s.
Last two months: 16 BB vs. 11 K’s.

And his walk rate didn’t really change much, if anything, the rate went down, but the big change was that he cut down on his strikeouts dramatically, resulting in a higher batting average, and decent OBP, which with decent power, resulted in a pretty good OPS for a 2B in the minors.

He hit roughly .294/.359/.432/.791 in those two months vs. .261/.334/..395/.729 overall.

Not really a sleeper since he was so hyped when he was drafted, but relative to the interest in him now vs other Giants prospects, I would call him a sleeper. And he will still need to prove himself at each level, since even in those two months he didn’t hit all that great, but still, he was 20 YO facing much older and experienced pitchers, and the change was dramatic, he was striking out 20+ times each month for the season, then not only dropped it into single digits, but managed to walk more times than he struck out, both of which he had never been able to do as a pro until then.

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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Nov 23, 2025 8:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Watching him in HS before the 07 draft...

I never did figure out what anyone thought they saw in him. There were days he wasn’t even the best player on the field in a small-school, barely competitive league. Not quite as dumb a pick as the ones they wasted on Jackson Williams and Charlie Culberson in that same supplemental first round, but a pretty bad one nonetheless.

by realitypolice on Nov 24, 2025 11:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You should work for Project Prospect.

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by boonitez on Nov 25, 2025 12:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Matthew Graham, SP

BA said in August “A righthander from Oak Ridge High in Spring, Texas, Graham flashes first-round talent but lacks consistency. At his best, he’ll pitch at 90-93 mph with his fastball and back it up with a power curveball.”

Plenty of talent, and just maybe Dick Tidrow is the svengali who can develop that talent into something useful.

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by Lyle on Nov 24, 2025 6:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I’m interested in seeing how much Bumgarner’s velocity drop impacts his prospect status. Alderson’s been getting killed for it everywhere, but he didn’t have great velocity to begin with, so it may be a bigger deal.

by ElDuce on Nov 26, 2025 1:47 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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