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How Weak is the Red Sox System?


     Any time an organization gives up their top two prospects, they better get something in return: something really good. Not like Larry Anderson or Jeff Suppan, but someone like Adrian Gonzalez. The Red Sox did that this offseason, as we all know, trading Casey Kelly, Anthony Rizzo and Reymond Fuetes to the San Diego Padres for the All-Star first baseman. Kelly was deemed untouchable before this trade, but after the signings of Josh Beckett and John Lackey there were obvious roadblocks for Kelly. As far as Rizzo goes, Gonzalez was the man and one way or the other Theo Epstein was going to get him.

     Many "experts" feel the Boston farm system is now depleted. On a team like the Red Sox, that does not matter as much, with a rotation locked in for years and position players not going any where anytime soon. Still, as we learned with the Gonzalez trade, prospects have another use: trade bait. If the Red Sox were forced to make a trade, there is more big league talent likely to be traded. Jed Lowrie or Marco Scutaro have been rumered in trades with St.Louis, but as far as the minors go a guy like Josh Reddick or Michael Bowden could draw interest.
 
The Pitching-

     Anthony Ranaudo has taken Kelly's place as the top pitching prospect, and if Kelly were still here, Ranaudo may have anyhow. Kelly struggled last season in AA Portland, and his stock may have dropped a little. He had an ERA over five last season, though he was the second youngest pitcher in AA. Ranaudo Raunado dominated the Cape Cod League, and this past Saturday he threw five scoreless for the Greenville Drive. I don't put much stock into his Cape Cod appearances, as he left early, right when the hitters were just starting to get adjusted to wooden bats (the genius of Scott Boras).

     Nonetheless, Raunado has the best stuff in the organization and won't be ready until Daisuke Matsuzaka's contract is up. Who is behind him on the pitching depth chart?
Kyle Weiland is starting the year with Triple-A Pawtucket and hasn't looked too good so far. But he is the next guy on the list, and he has a dominating fastball and a plus curveball when he is on. Behind him is Stephen Fife, who saw his struggles in his second half in Portland.

     The real prospects are far deeper into the system, with youngsters like Stolmy Pimentel and Brandon Workman. Who are we missing? Oh yeah, just a left hander named Drake Britton who has been compared to Jon Lester and John Danks. Britton missed 2009 with Tommy John surgery and he had a lowered pitch count for 2010, which he still dominated. They are also likely to add more pitches to his workload, as he was on a limited pitch count last season. So, depleted pitching? I disagree. The upside is still there for the future.

The Hitting and Fielding-


      Shortstop Joe Iglesias is the fielding super stud we have all been hearing about. And it ain't just hype. Iglesias missed most of last season in Portland with a broken finger and returned in late August. Before that he was lighting it up in AA and picked up in Pawtucket right where he let off. On the PawSox' opening day win vs Rochester Iglesias went 2-for-4. Known for his glove, scouts worry about his hitting; since joining the organization and playing pro ball, none of those concerns have been shown by Iglesias. In the cuban leagues his hitting was not as good, but in pro ball this has not bee the case.

     After Iglesias, you get a bunch of hit or miss guys. The Red Sox have several players who show good tools but have struggled, or players who have so-so tools but who perform well. Will Middlebrooks suffered a set back two years ago with an injury to the hamstring, but bounced back nicely this year and is the starting 3B for Portland. Jorge Padron, the first baseman for the Sea Dogs, is not a top Boston prospect but someone with good enough tools to emerge as a decent ballplayer. He can also play corner outfield which just helps his value. Then we have the mystery that is Lars Anderson. Is he a first baseman or a DH? Will he have big home run power, or just to the gaps? These issues are still uncertain. I'm not big on him, his defense and swing have flaws, but if he can harness his talent he should be a big leaguer.

     Sean Coyle and Garrin Cecchini are the jewels of the position players Boston drafted last season. Coyle is starting off in Greenville, and is off to a .389 start from the OBP stand point. His average is not yet there (.169) but it is early in the season and not a concern. Coyle I believe will emerge within the next few years as a top five prospect in the Red Sox system. Coyle, a second baseman, reminds scouts of Dustin Pedroia. At third base Cecchini has drawn comparisons to Chase Headly of San Diego.

     It is hard to say whether the position players aspect of the system is weak. On paper it looks it, mostly because all the top guys are in lower levels or have some concerns. It also has the potential to be terrific if Anderson can get his act straight and Middlebrooks repeats from last year. One area where the system is strong is at catcher, with names like Ryan Lavarnway, Luis Exposito, Tim Fedrowicz and Adalberto Ibarra. Lavarnway has been noted as being a weak defensive catcher, and it is true he could do better at blocking balls in the dirt. But I have seen him about a dozen times and his defense is probably better than someone like Victor Martinez. And the guy can just hit, home run after home run, he has some serious power potential with an unlimited ceiling.

    Exposito is fantastic defensively, probably MLB ready in that department. His swing has holes, and he has a tendency to swing and miss and strikeout a lot. But when he makes contact it goes a long way, and if he can fix up his swing a little bit he can be a very good player. Fedrowciz is right now starting at catcher for Portland over Lavarnway, who is DHing. Fedrowicz has gotten off to a fabulous start as well with the Maine team, after falling of the prospect lists last season. And Ibarra is the unknown, suffering a shoulder injury last season causing him to fail his physical, and no one knows a lot about him.

     Is this minor league system weak? Certainly more so since the trade. But it is not one of the weakest in baseball, and it has some major potential throughout it's ranks. From big names like Raunado to Iglesias to long shots such as Blake Maxwell and Drew Hedman, the system is still strong and will benefit this club for a long time. From my perspective as a fan, if the Red Sox need to make a trade this summer, they still have enough prospects to interest other teams. If they want to build from within, there's still enough raw material to work with for me to be optimistic.

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Vitek?

What’s happening with him? What’s his upside?

by Lollardfish on Apr 17, 2025 9:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Vitek

I like him, worry about his defense. I kind of forgot about him a little bit, but I like Cecchini and Coyle more.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Apr 17, 2025 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Headley comp?

Do you have a source for the Headley comp for Cecchini? It’s interesting and one I hadnt heard before. Thanks for the article!

by FI2 on Apr 17, 2025 10:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I've heard some scouts

and just what ive seen before from him. Soxprospects I believe mentioned it too.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Apr 17, 2025 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting

Headley I think would be a pretty solid player if he actually payed in a solid lineup and better park, I like the comparison.

by hybrid on Apr 17, 2025 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not a prospect but...

What are the reports on Andrew Miller? From the box scores it looks like he’s still giving up too many walks, but the upside is still huge. Really liked that pickup for the Sox.

by FI2 on Apr 17, 2025 10:03 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Miller

he’s looked ok. Bombed in his first outing, was decent the second. Okajima and Hill are still better lefty options.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Apr 17, 2025 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Iglesias

I’m not sure how we can say that none of Iglesias’ hitting concerns have shown up. I’ve seen nothing from his batting line or from the handful of times I’ve seen him play, or from scouting reports, to indicate he’ll be anything less than a well below average bat

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by Jgaztambide on Apr 17, 2025 10:52 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

His hitting has been very good

I don’t have the stats on me but I have seen him and see no problem with his hitting.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Apr 17, 2025 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Iglesias

in 236 at-bats in AA last year, his line was .285 / .315 / .357

3.4% walk rate
22.2% K-rate
.072 Iso

Those are horrendously bad.

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by Jgaztambide on Apr 17, 2025 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

for a shortstop?

i’d say a tad below average.

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by YunelTheLazyLatino on Apr 17, 2025 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well bellow

Among shortstops who had enough plate appearances, here were the major league averages last year:

7.00% Walk rate
15.22% K-rate
.120 iso

No shortstop in the majors last year had a walk rate as low as Iglesias’ 3.4% (Yuniesky Betancourt was the closest at 3.90%), no one had a strikeout rate as high (ian Desmond was highest at 20.80%), and only Cesar Izturis and Elvis Andrus had lower Iso’s.

I don’t think there’s any way you could qualify what Iglesias has done so far in the US as hitting “very good”. I don’t even think it’s “Decent”. it’s pretty piss poor, actually. All of his value is in his glove, and I think everyone recognizes that, but it’s entirely possible Iglesias’ bat is below replacement level for his entire career. I’ve been a Sox fan my entire baseball life, and I really don’t know if that’s the kind of player they’ll put up with beyond his cost-controlled years. I actually imagine them having quite a hard time moving Lowrie off of SS if those are the kind of offensive numbers Iglesias is capable of.

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by Jgaztambide on Apr 17, 2025 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

i see

i stand corrected. I thought the average SS was much worse than that.

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by YunelTheLazyLatino on Apr 17, 2025 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

for a SS

it’s still horrible. Horrible walk rate and no power. He’s clearly not ready for the majors.

by Looney4baseball on Apr 17, 2025 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

True

it was early too and then he broke his finger. as far as this season, I have not been able to follow him all too much because Ive mostly been watching Portland and I have NLL commitments, but some people I know at the games have told me he looks good at the plate. Cant waitto head down to RI to see him.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Apr 17, 2025 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

iglesias

If he puts up a .285/.315/.357 line in the majors they will take it, the believe is that his glove is so good that he could be replacement level with the bat and he would still be valuable. He’s never going to hit for power, he makes good contact, he can be a .275 hitter, he’ll likely bump his walk rate up a little bit and hit a few more doubles, that will be good enough for him to be an everyday ML player. A .700 OPS would be in the top half of the league for a SS, hell even a .650 OPS would be top 20.

by GoldenSpikes24 on Apr 17, 2025 11:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Iglesias

I don’t know if the Sox take that line from an everyday player. That’s a black hole in the lineup.

Even improving his offense a small amount, we’re talking about an Alcides escobar or Yuniesky Betancourt-like level of production with the bat. I don’t see a team like the Red Sox putting up with that level of anemia with the bat, regardless of how good the defense is. Maybe a couple years while he’s cost controlled, I guess, but I see him more as trade-bait than as a guy who’ll spend any significant time with the Sox

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by Jgaztambide on Apr 17, 2025 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Some numbers

.220/.270/.353 in low A at 18
.213/.333/.295 in A at 19
.263/.350/.332 in high A at 20
.247/.314/.328 in AA/AAA at 21
.220/.273/.261 in MLB at 22

Development path for one Omar Vizquel, who Iglesias has been comped to by a number of places. Vizquel put up two 100+ OPS+ seasons in his entire career, and he has hit for under a .700 OPS in his career, but his glove has been so good that his few truly excellent offensive seasons were an incredible luxury to his team. Iglesias has a lot of similar skills.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

by biggentleben on Apr 18, 2025 5:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

if he's .285/.315/.357 in AA

then he’s not really close to that in the majors and would need to show a little improvement just to equal that there. Even though a SSS, he is at .261/.333/.261 for a .594 OPS in AAA this year. He’s not close to replacement level hitting wise yet. A .700 OPS for Iglesias in the majors is a pipe dream right now. Not to say he won’t do it, but that might be his ceiling if he does.

by Looney4baseball on Apr 17, 2025 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Formatting

this is style and not substance, but you could stand to indent and have spaces between paragraphs. Not easy on the eyes. Good analysis though!

by JSlakov on Apr 17, 2025 11:30 AM EDT reply actions  

I know it didn’t come out right. I copied and pasted it into the SBN dashboard, I think thats the problem.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Apr 17, 2025 12:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Surprised you see catcher as a strong point in the system

There’s some nice pieces at the lower end as they start to address the issue, but there’s not a catcher there I can see helping the Sox in the next three seasons unless Lavarnway’s bat really plays at the MLB level. Given it’s the Sox main weakness atm I really see it costing them to go outside the system to address the issue this season.

It’s not a major issue, they have solid talent on a MLB wide scale at the position, but compared to the AL East (Yanks have Montero/Romine+, Jays have Arencibia/Perez+, Orioles have Wieters, Rays have Chirinos coming up and Jaso doing solid work already) they have the weakest catching situation in the division. Given the last three+ seasons of free steals against the Sox I would see the addition of a + defensive catcher being their primary target this season.

by TtD on Apr 17, 2025 11:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Xander Bogaerts

any info on him? I know he’s really raw, but alot of the stuff I’ve read on him looks really promising.

by notsukao on Apr 17, 2025 11:37 AM EDT reply actions  

I haven’t seen him enough.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Apr 17, 2025 12:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

well, John Sickels approved it

and it has gotten more positive reviews, so you are in the mionrity. If you have a legti problem, email me, it would be more constructive than commenting and starting flame wars here.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Apr 17, 2025 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

The intention wasn't to start a flame war at all.

Frankly, if you’re getting a relatively big-time writing gig, I think that you lose the right to be “protected” from criticism. I am impressed by your ambition, and you’re probably admittedly well on your way to a sports journalism job down the road. I do sincerely look forward to what you can bring to the table here down the line (and you clearly know enough about the system and prospecting in general where improvement can be expected), but this was frankly not a great piece.

More to the point: You’re analyzing the Red Sox farm here, and you go out of your way to mention two guys in Jorge Padron and Drew Hedman who really aren’t even in the Top 50 of this system, while failing to mention at least three top 10 prospects. That, combined with some of the lack of context/relativity, as well as a ton of factual mistakes (read: pretty much the entire section on pitching prospects), sort of undermines the credibility you’re trying to achieve here.

by RedSoxFaithful on Apr 17, 2025 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I dont mind critisicm, I offered my email

I am worried about potential arguments on the site.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Apr 17, 2025 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm inclined to agree with this.

This was a good article for a 14-year-old, but the age of the author really needn’t be taken into account, especially on the internet. Whether you’re a 14-year-old girl or a 41-year-old man, when you post an article in a public forum, you also have to be open to criticism in that same public forum. Asking for any criticisms to be e-mailed reeks of someone unable to actually handle criticism or honest discussion of their work, which is quite frankly the useful part of a piece like this. The only benefit derived from people saying “great job” without offering constructive criticisms of the piece are to your ego, given the already established shaky factual basis for the article.

Put simply, “potential arguments” on the site are only likely to occur if you’re the type that gets your feelings hurt by any criticism received in view of other people and responds in an argumentative manner. Discussion of varying views on prospects is the entire purpose of this web-site, last time I checked.

by Geki on Apr 17, 2025 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are wrong. I would like to know what I’m doing wrong. But now the comments are off topic like I feared. Too late now, say what you want, I will listen. I was just afraid the actual topic would disappear.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Apr 17, 2025 4:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

No, you are wrong.

He told you what you’re doing wrong. The comments are only now off-topic because you went off-topic whining about on-topic criticism of your article. Nobody is trying to pick on you, but reasonable criticisms were offered and you responded that those with minority opinions should e-mail you and not publicly criticize your article, as that would be more constructive than commenting on it. That’s illogical and countermands the entire purpose of the site. It also, as I said earlier, reeks more of you being unable to handle criticism than any legitimate fear of a “flame war” as in my experience, the majority of the fine users of this site are able to disagree with each other without immediately resorting to insulting each other.

You won’t like hearing this next part, but I imagine the response to your article would not have been so overwhelmingly positive had it not been prefaced with “I’m a 14-year-old girl”. You clearly have passion and promise, but that does not mean you are incapable of improvement. The best way to improve is to take criticism to heart and build from it, not brush it under the rug where nobody can see it.

by Geki on Apr 17, 2025 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Oh ok. Thanks then.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Apr 17, 2025 4:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Um, I made points about "the actual topic" that have gone unanswered.

Such as!

1.) Why bother mentioning Jorge Padron or Drew Hedman at all? They are non-prospects. Padron has a career OPS under .600 and is a 24 year old 1B at AA. Hedman is even less of a prospect, and a level lower.

2.) How is Stolmy Pimentel “far deeper in the system” than Fife or Weiland? Pimentel is arguably the Sox best pitching prospect, and he’s at AAA. Weiland projects as a spot starter at best, and Fife (at AA Portland) is barely even a Grade C prospect. I’m just curious: What were you talking about when you said they were next in line on the Red Sox pitching depth chart?

3.) Do you really believe that the Red Sox system compares favorably to others? Their pitching prospects are strong, and I personally am very high on Oscar Tejeda (who you inexplicably forgot to mention while instead going off about Jorge Padron), but there are a lot of question marks in terms of positional upside. I understand that the Sox have promising talent, but compared to other systems, it’s not really even worth discussing.

4.) I’m not sure how you can mention the “jewels” of last year’s draft and overlook Vitek. I personally like Cecchini more as well (though I’m concerned that he’ll struggle a la Middlebrooks/Renfroe), but Vitek was their first selection, and is currently the best prospect of the bunch. Bryce Brentz is strangely absent from your analysis there as well. Also: you mentioned above that Cecchini got a Headley comp, but I should remind you that Middlebrooks was getting Ryan Braun and Scott Rolen comps out of the gate.

I could go on, but these were the biggest issues I had.

by RedSoxFaithful on Apr 17, 2025 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I view Padron as a player that can help the organization sinewy. I said Hedman.as a longshot. Pimentel is not at AAA. No I do not, I just don’t think it is terrible. And I forgot vitek thats my fault.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Apr 17, 2025 4:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

There's a difference between a longshot and a non-prospect.

Xander Bogaerts is a “longshot”. Che-Hsuan Lin is a “longshot”. David Renfroe is a “longshot”.

Jorge Padron, Drew Hedman, and Blake Maxwell (the other “longshot” you mentioned) aren’t even worth mentioning as prospects.

by RedSoxFaithful on Apr 17, 2025 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maxwell, yes

He pitched great for Portland down the stretch last season and can be a solid contributing bullpen guy in the future. Hedman was just thrown in there for effect of throwing out names as a longshot, so I thought of the biggest longshot possible. Bogaerts I think is good, I just havent seen him enough to comment on him.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Apr 17, 2025 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

if I have to look up the word sinewy

then your point gets lost about Padron’s role in the organization

is this being used as a noun? looks like its an actual adj.

one of the tougher and more overlooked parts of writing for spots is getting your point across in a short and sweet manner, and to the point.

how many drafts did you go through before posting the above article?

just food for though, thanks for contributing and keep up the hard work.

by BigG'S on Apr 17, 2025 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

mobile writing on that comment, sorry

that should be really. and drafts? like 6. The mobile writing is an issue, sorry.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Apr 17, 2025 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

not a prob

tough to keep up with the world w/o mobile access.

sorry if my drafts question came across harsh, just curious

by BigG'S on Apr 17, 2025 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh no worries :)

trust me I go through a lot of them, haha.
yeah I hate mobile commenting, never comes out right.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Apr 17, 2025 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe

maybe its just me but why isn’t this in the fanpost section? Isn’t that where minor league posts from a fan perspective belong? Its seriously laughable to suggest Iglesias has no concerns about this hitting, he’s long ways away from even being average and some ways away from being Yuniesky Betancourt territory

by nmr123321 on Apr 17, 2025 7:18 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

To be frank

I’m really really shocked that John ok’ed this to be on the front page.

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

www.domingobeisbol.com/Domingo/Home.html

by hero66 on Apr 17, 2025 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

hey guys :)

I appriciate what you claim to be trying to help, so ti would be great if you could tell me why it sucks so the next one doesnt ;) thanks.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Apr 17, 2025 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

since you asked

One big problem i see with your critical analysis is your hypothesis. You’re supposed to be arguing for something that is not obvious and widely accepted. Your statement about a lot of experts feeling that the Red Sox system is weak is not supported by anything. Most minor league experts and followers don’t think the Sox system is weak at all. Some might say its below average or worse than what it was before but i don’t think anyone would put their system in the bottom 5 which is what weak would mean right?

Another problem is blatant homerism, you’re repeating a lot of cliches that guys Red Sox homers like Peter Gammons babble about(like Iglesias being a good hitter) and there’s a lot of statements in your article (that others have bought up) that appear to be quite biased

by nmr123321 on Apr 17, 2025 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Your statement about a lot of experts feeling that the Red Sox system is weak is not supported by anything."

This was my problem as well. Seems a bit of a straw man. Propose that someone thinks the Sox system is weak so that you can defend it. Apparently the Red Sox farm is now the ‘family values’ of baseball. lol

When doing your rewrites, Marisa (I’ll assume you do rewrites), look for areas where you seem to be glossing over something important or complex, and expand on the point. If you’re going to assert that there are people who consider the Sox system weak, then provide examples.

by blackoutyears on Apr 18, 2025 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

RSF essentially covered it in his first post

But there were three main problems I had with it:

1. It was just poorly written. Lots of grammatical errors and out-of-place phrases.

2. You didn’t tell us anything we don’t know. For the most part you just listed players. It was essentially “these players exist and they have some concerns but might be useful to the Red Sox in the future.”

3. You didn’t really back up any arugments you made, including your original statement about people being down on the Sox system and your pitching prospect pecking order.

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

www.domingobeisbol.com/Domingo/Home.html

by hero66 on Apr 17, 2025 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

thank you guys :)

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by Marisa Ingemi on Apr 17, 2025 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Completely unnecessary.

You’re swearing at a 14-year-old girl over a piece on Red Sox prospects. Time for some self-reflection…

by blackoutyears on Apr 19, 2025 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

we all know him already

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by Marisa Ingemi on Apr 17, 2025 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure

He’s also a perfect example of largely overlooked depth that the Red Sox have. He won’t show up on their prospect lists, but he’s available should trouble strike at the major league level. He’s also likely to have more near to mid term impact than any of the guys mentioned in the post IMO.

by Ophidian on Apr 19, 2025 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bottom third for me

Still some guys I like there, but not a top half system at the moment. That’s OK, considering the amount of talent they have traded or graduated, and I bet they’ll have it restocked in no time, and really the depth is still pretty decent, it’s just the top end I’m not that enthusiastic about at the moment.

Anthony Ranaudo is interesting, and great value for pick number 39, but I think teams that passed on him for other pitchers at least in the top half of the first round probably did the right thing. I’m just not convinced that 30 innings in Cape Cod proves the elbow issues are all behind him. Not a top 150 guy for me yet.

Drake Britton has intriguing upside as well, but also too inconsistent so far for me to yet consider him top 150. Numbers last year were really just OK for a 21 year old in the SAL.

Jose Iglesias, I just think looks like an Omar Infante type. Solid, not special.

Stolmy Pimentel is intriguing as a 3 pitch guy, but I’m not sold on big upside there either yet.

Oscar Tejada had a nice campaign last season, and if he carries in into AA this year, and adds a few more walks, he could be one of the more interesting guys here.

Yamaico Navarro looks like a pretty decent upper level bat who doesn’t get enough mention; not a SS in my view, but looks pretty good at 3B, maybe could play 2B.

I liked Garin Cecchini in the draft, but he has yet to play pro-ball, and will be years away.

And I liked Kolbrin Vitek in the draft as well, and he had a nice debut season. But I don’t think he’s a star, either.

If the Red Sox wanted to pull off another one of those blockbuster trades this year, I just can’t point to anyone in this system that other teams would really crave. There’s some decent names there. But none really stand out yet. There’s enough talent there than maybe a breakout or two will occur and change that before long. Best hope there might be a strong campaign from Ranaudo or Britton. But right now I see a lot of guys I like some, but none I love.

by acerimusdux on Apr 18, 2025 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

stuff

For what it is worth, I thought this piece was interesting and would spark a good discussion about the Red Sox system.

My goal here was to spark said discussion, and to give a new, ambitious writer a chance to find her voice. Ultimately the responsibility is mine, so direct any complaints in my direction.

Let’s focus the discussion on the Red Sox system.

by John Sickels on Apr 18, 2025 12:55 AM EDT reply actions  

I have no issues with the article

The only thing I would recommend is that less is often more. Too many guest writers, who are not of the same quality as John, would be pretty damaging to the MinorLeagueBall brand in my opinion. If a piece is worthy of front page discussion, I would post it, but a lot of the recent articles by Ray and others really should be fanposts. Just my two cents.

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by King Billy Royal on Apr 18, 2025 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Less is more...

John does have a fantastic way of being able to sum up a player’s ability/projection/risks within one or two sentences.

Also, I feel that when guests are making posts to a well-known and widely-accepted site like this, that they almost try too hard to make an impression. Thus they include too many facts and say too much. Or they go the other path and make broad assumptions or try to over-extend their predictions in order to grab our attention.

by tenags on Apr 18, 2025 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

said this above, def one of the tougher parts about writing about sports.

in this day and age of too much info, makes all the sense to do what you say above

by BigG'S on Apr 18, 2025 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

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by hero66 on Apr 18, 2025 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

    I agree with KBR. It’s John’s site and he has the prerogative to do whatever he wants with it. But I would respectfully caution him that while it’s admirable to give us fans a chance, it should also be the exception and not the rule. This article has its place, and it’s in the fanpost section. It is better than many fanposts, and not as good as others. But in general, the front page should be resigned either for John’s expert analysis, or expert pundits from the community. Once in a while one of us mere mortals mightht conduct some truly impressive analysis and package it in a coherent, well-written article. In those cases, please give that person due recognition and post them on the front page. But it should be a rare treat, and I humbly suggest this article didn’t cross that threshold.

    Marisa: keep on writing. There is alot of potential there. That which doesn’t kill you only makes you stronger. If you want to thrive as a public writer, you must have a thick skin, and as tempting as it is to fight back against every counter-point made, it will in the long-run hurt your reputation, and make you a mark for trolls who like nothing more than to get under writers’ skin (NOT that I am alleging trolls were active in this case- most of the arguments were on the mark and not personal). Pick your battles carefully, and try and focus on the analysis and respond in a poised, unemotional manner (it’s not easy, but just go to espn.com once in a while and look at all the beatings guys like Stark, Gammons, and Olney get from the public and imagine how thick their skin must be after all these years).

    When writing, try to first identify what your main point or topic is, and then craft supporting facts for an argument (good rule of thumb is have at least 3-5 supporting facts/arguments for a premise), or if it’s a general topic (ie, breaking out a team’s system by position) ensuring you analyze each position consistently and using the same format.

     Don’t have too many disparate points or the article will come across as disjointed (or as someone said, “stream of consciousness.” ) if you find you hve many different points to make or multiple themes, then you probably need to break it out into different articles. Less is more some times.

    Keep it up, while your soul is condmened for eternity as a Red Sox fan, you have great potential to improve and become a stellar writer on this earth :)

by Ghost_of_Brien_Taylor on Apr 19, 2025 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Marisa: keep on writing. There is alot of potential there. That which doesn’t kill you only makes you stronger. If you want to thrive as a public writer, you must have a thick skin, and as tempting as it is to fight back against every counter-point made, it will in the long-run hurt your reputation, and make you a mark for trolls who like nothing more than to get under writers’ skin (NOT that I am alleging trolls were active in this case- most of the arguments were on the mark and not personal).

This. If there’s one thing I’ve learned about writing in the last 15 years, it’s that you better be able to absorb a beating. No matter what you write or how careful you are in constructing an argument, someone will always hate what you wrote and consider you the biggest idiot ever.

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by D.Szymborski on Apr 19, 2025 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

This. If there’s one thing I’ve learned about writing in the last 15 years, it’s that you better be able to absorb a beating. No matter what you write or how careful you are in constructing an argument, someone will always hate what you wrote and consider you the biggest idiot ever.

If thats the case thank you for the practice everyone :)

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by Marisa Ingemi on Apr 19, 2025 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Use the 20/80 theory

20% will hate your posts no matter what for a myriad of often-dumb reasons

20% will love your posts, no matter what you write, for another myriad of reasons

60% will let your writing decide…that’s who you should focus on. That would be those of us who are offering constructive criticism in our well wishes. Keep shooting for better work each time!

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

by biggentleben on Apr 19, 2025 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats good

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by Marisa Ingemi on Apr 20, 2025 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Health of Red Sox System will be restored after 2011 draft

I thought the article was overly optimistic about the farm. The Red Sox’s have a lot of intriguing players in Low-A. But they’re in Low-A; it’s really hard to project their future. I think the biggest weakness of the system is the lack of star power at the upper levels. Prospects like Iglesias, Anderson and Pimental have serious flaws. Let’s be honest it’s hard to crack the Red Sox roster if you don’t have star potential.

What I think Red Sox’s fans should be happy about is they have 4 of the first 40 picks in the strongest draft since 2005. Next year at this time the overall strength of the system will be much greater with the influx of high-end talent.

But if I guy like Felix Hernandez comes on the market; they can’t offer much from the minor-leagues the Mariners would be interested in. They don’t really have too many salivating trade chips left to play.

by docisking on Apr 18, 2025 10:23 AM EDT reply actions  

and in 2012...

…they could potentially get another bounty of draft picks, with key free agents like Papelbon, Scutaro, Drew, and Wheeler possibly being let go by the Sox. All are on track to be Type A or B FAs.

   The Sox are very savvy when it comes to compensation. I still think the Billy Wagner for Chris “the other guy” Carter deal was one of the cleverest deals in the past few years.

by Ghost_of_Brien_Taylor on Apr 19, 2025 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don't think Scutaro or any of those other guys would take arbitration?

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by King Billy Royal on Apr 19, 2025 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

depends

on alot of factors. Are they gonna end up as Type As, or Bs (will teams have to forfeit a pick to sign them, making them less attractive)? Do they think they have a chance at starting on other teams (Scutaro) or closing (Papelbon if RedSox make it clear they plan on going with Bard)?

Also, Boston is a rich team, they don’t have to worry as much about their players accepting arbitration as a team like the Royals. If Wheeler or Drew accept arbitration, it won’t kill them, and they won’t exactly hate to be stuck with them (they would have spent to replace them anyway).

So I probably see the Red Sox offering all arbitration, with Scutaro and Papelbon declining, Drew and Wheeler depend on whether they think they can do better elsewhere. Of course, I could be 0-4 as well :)

by Ghost_of_Brien_Taylor on Apr 20, 2025 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Scutaro is likely gone

unless he picks up his option. Which would be done cause hed just sit behind Lowrie or Iglesias.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Apr 20, 2025 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course Scutaro is gone

That is why I doubt that the Sox risk offering him arbitration.

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by King Billy Royal on Apr 21, 2025 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

A formatting thing

Use “the jump” to keep your story from taking up 2/3 of the front page by putting together a teaser paragraph and then more story within the post. It will also help gather your entire post better and focus the direction the rest of the article will go.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

by biggentleben on Apr 18, 2025 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

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