Atlanta Braves Organization Discussion
I am now working on the Minnesota Twins Top 20 list and player comments for the 2012 Baseball Prospect Book. The next team on the list is the Atlanta Braves. Use this thread to discuss the Braves farm system, point out sleepers, etc.
To get things started, here is a question for you. True or false: there is a significant imbalance between hitting and pitching talent in this farm system, and this will impact the organization negatively unless it is addressed.
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Imbalance
I think it’s safe to say that there is an imbalance, but it would be pretty hard not to be imbalanced given the number of top-tier pitchers. If they could match that with hitting, we’d be talking about an all-time great system.
I don’t think this is something that needs to be addressed, at least in any way out of the ordinary. The advantage to a pitching-loaded system vs. an offense-loaded system is that you can always find trades for your pitching, whereas with offensive players, sometimes finding fits with other teams makes it a bit more challenging. (For example, taking two roughly equal prospects/young players, let’s go with Michael Pineda and Dustin Ackley - the Mariners could probably trade Pineda to any of the 29 other teams if they needed to, whereas only teams with a need at 2B would probably be interested in Ackley.)
So in short, I don’t think there’s a real problem here, especially because Atlanta has a good offensive core with McCann, Freeman, Uggla, Heyward and perhaps an extended Bourn. Perhaps they’ll need to trade one or two of those pitching prospects for a big LF or 3B bat at some point, but that shouldn’t be a big challenge, as long as they’re willing to part with young talent.
by 4dizzle on Oct 6, 2025 4:07 PM EDT reply actions
Tough to match three top 30 pitchers, for the sake of balance.
Most of the fast risers in the Braves system have been bats, though, I think:
Drury, Simmons, Pastornicky, Terdoslavich. With Salcedo and Bethancourt progressing, too.
Spruill also had a good year. As did Graham and Masters.
When you think of it, this system is pretty well stocked following the graduation of three ROY candidates (Freeman, Kimbrel, Beachy) and Mike Minor.
by parish on Oct 6, 2025 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
dont forget
jason heyward….he was 2nd behind buster posey for ROY honors i think.
by James Westfall on Oct 6, 2025 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
Well said, especially the part about Pineda and Ackley
by zliang10 on Oct 7, 2025 5:55 AM EDT up reply actions
However
the recent desire to draft for signability as opposed to best player available has gone against what has made the Braves successful in the past. There is still the presence on the International market (Salcedo, Jesus Heredia, Iosif Bernal, and Victor Reyes), but our drafts have looked pretty meh recently.
by JoelGuzman'sScout on Oct 7, 2025 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Bigger issue for the Braves was the removal of the draft and follow process
I also think its more of a philosophy shift in terms of batters over pitchers and college players over high school. They never really seemed like a big spender in the draft.
by nixa37 on Oct 7, 2025 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
+2
there isn’t a hitter in the game that can’t be had for the right package of young pitching
by ScottAZ on Oct 7, 2025 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t expect much of a problem for these guys going forward. They’ve got the depth to trade for a bunch of talented young hitters and still put a top notch rotation on the field.
Jurrjens, Hanson, Hudson, Lowe, Minor, Beachy, Medlen, Teheran, Vizcaino, and Delgado is as good of deep as anyone in the game.
On the offensive side; Drury, Salcedo, and Simmons are all very intriguing.
by Jeff McDuffie on Oct 6, 2025 4:11 PM EDT reply actions
Vizcaino
is damaged goods. Hard to pawn him off on someone with his partial tear and get anything resembling value in return..
by Hairylady on Oct 6, 2025 4:22 PM EDT reply actions
Vizzy will be fine
God has to bruise you before he use you. So you'll be sensitive to his touch.
by ArmyITSpec on Oct 6, 2025 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think it would be that hard.
“Pawn him off!”
Really?!?
by parish on Oct 6, 2025 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree, but...
You could argue that you are selling lower than you should. Give him a chance to start in AAA and watch the trade offers come flying in…
by dbreer23 on Oct 6, 2025 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Quotes from 2010
Seriously, he was given a clean bill of health and has enormous upside and has made it to AA as a starter…not sure what the problem is.
by OrangeBravo on Oct 6, 2025 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep, prior skepticism I'd bet...
but I myself wonder why the Braves fast-tracked him to the bigs as a RP as opposed to letting him continue to be a SP in AA/AAA.
by dbreer23 on Oct 6, 2025 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Why fast track as a RP?
Two words:
Scott Proctor
by parish on Oct 6, 2025 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough...
but my underlying point was, why bring up Viz from AA, through a few spots in AAA as a RP, and shoot him into the Braves’ bullpen, as opposed to bringing up someone else who is already a RP and in AAA, such as Hoover or Ascencio.
by dbreer23 on Oct 6, 2025 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Viz > Hoover or Ascencio
I think you are reading too much into it. Vizcaino’s ML ready pitches were already better than Hoover’s and Ascencio’s. Braves’ management believed he gave them the best chance to win. Plus, they stated a desrire to curtail his innings by limiting him to relief appearances.
Maybe, he doesn’t sustain the progress made with the curve this year and he stays in the pen, but at his age it would be a mistake to throw in the towel on starting.
by parish on Oct 6, 2025 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
"they stated a desrire to curtail his innings by limiting him to relief appearances."
Yup, had forgotten about that aspect of it…
by dbreer23 on Oct 6, 2025 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
We tried Ascencio
and he didn’t look very good in MLB. Hoover was moved to the BP at the same level and time as Vizcaino, but we promoted Vizcaino faster (prolly due to better stuff). Fact is, we wanted a RP to take a MLB role, but none stepped up and took the role.
by theatlfan on Oct 6, 2025 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
They fast tracked him as a RP in part to limit his innings
He ended up increasing his innings total from last year by about 30, which is probably safest given his injury history.
by nixa37 on Oct 6, 2025 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
A partial tear is the same same thing as a sprain/strain
It can heel over time without surgery. He had a partial tear at a point last season but all indications are that the elbow is currently healthy. He’s probably a higher injury risk than the average pitching prospect, but I don’t think its that much higher.
by nixa37 on Oct 6, 2025 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think it will be a problem with the unbalance. You can never have too much pitching. You can never tell what you will get out of a pitcher. Great pitching is harder to develop than great hitting. You can always trade away pitching prospects for an established hitter if there is a need to but it is harder trading hitting prospects for an established pitcher. Plus its a good idea to stay loaded with pitchers in case one of your pitching prospects do not pan out, which happens more than a hitting prospects. Plus alot of hitting prospects make it as a great defender if their hitting does not hold up. Pitchers have no other options to fall back on so that is why it is good to have a stockpile of pitching.
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by ArmyITSpec on Oct 6, 2025 4:33 PM EDT reply actions
There’s definitely an imbalance. It’s not near as bad when you consider that the system just graduated Heyward and Freeman, and they still have McCann and Prado under control for several years.
It could be a problem, but it’s too early to say.
The Braves may be able to extend Bourn, plug Prado back in at 3B when Chipper retires, get by with Alex Gonzalez or other stopgaps at SS until Pastornicky/Simmons/etc. can take over, and trade a pair of pitching prospects for a LF and still have pitching left.
On the flip side, Bourn could walk, the SS prospects could never arrive, Prado could never fully recover from his down year, and half the pitching prospects could flop after the Braves trade the wrong ones.
I worry more about whether the Braves are maintaining the proper management and scouting personnel after the semi-retirements of JS and Cox and years of defections in the scouting department. If the management, development, and scouts are there, the Braves will navigate this just fine.
by rlwhite on Oct 6, 2025 4:46 PM EDT reply actions
I hope we don't trade any of our prospects
for a while at least, we seem to have bad luck when it comes to trading away top prospect for major league pieces (Wainwright, Feliz, ect.)
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by JHey1212 on Oct 6, 2025 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Well...the two you mentioned worked out pretty well
Drew had arguably his best season in ATL & Feliz helped bring in Teixeira, who was fantastic in ATL. The problem was the assumption that they could re-sign either of them, which may have been puffed up (in their minds) due to local connections - Drew from Valdosta, Teixeira went to GA Tech.
by dbreer23 on Oct 6, 2025 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
True
Both of those deals certainly helped the major league team in Atlanta.
A lot of these deals take on a revisionist hue over time for the club that parts with prospects that end up developing.
by Matt0330 on Oct 7, 2025 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Especially with Wainwright
People like to forget that he missed much of the 2004 season with elbow problems and struggled when he did pitch. He’s developed into a completely different pitcher than the guy the Braves traded (dialed back velocity to focus on command and movement). There’s no guarantee that would have happened if he stayed in the Braves organization.
by nixa37 on Oct 7, 2025 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Heyward has to want to be great or he'll be a colossal disappointment
I see that in Harper and Stanton. Heyward shows no emotion and that is the big concern with me. Also goes half speed it seems. Harper went all out when I saw him.
by Bravesin07 on Oct 6, 2025 4:50 PM EDT reply actions
Hard to interpret body language sometimes...
Just b/c he isn’t a ‘rah-rah’ guy doesn’t mean he doesn’t play with all he’s got and with passion. How many ABs did he take with a bum shoulder before telling anyone about it. I think he’d rather “do all he can do for the team” as opposed to “being all he can be for himself.”
by dbreer23 on Oct 6, 2025 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
If by “going all out” you mean blowing kisses at the opposing pitcher, getting himself ejected, and generally annoying every opponent he plays against then I will take Jason’s professional attitude every day of the week. Stanton is just as composed/reserved as Jason so please don’t even put him in the same category as Harper.
by FourScore199 on Oct 6, 2025 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
oh please, spare me your psychoanalysis
Heyward had a rough, injury filled year that was probably the reason behind his low BABIP. Where was this criticism last year when Heyward was a 5 WAR rookie and leading candidate for rookie of the year? You have a really short memory.
by OrangeBravo on Oct 7, 2025 1:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He also dealt with management wanting to change his philosphy of hitting. They wanted him to be a much more aggressive hitter, when he was doing just find being ultra patient (91BB in his rookie season). IMO he swung at alot of pitches that he wasn’t comfortable with, due to pressure from the coaches.
In 2011, during the three months he struggled (hit<.250) he had 17 total BB, compared to 33 total BB for the three months he hit over .250.
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by bwellnjonesco on Oct 11, 2025 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Simmons and Pastornicky
You have to think you get one major league starting shortstop out of the two. That’s a valuable commodity.
Pastornicky seems to have that grit that exceeds expectations at every level. He is quite young, especially at his promotion to AA last year.
Simmons defense may be exceptional, and his ability to make contact bodes well for me. 1 K per 11 AB, as I recall. I know we have to see him against more advanced pitching to know, but it seems like his bat will play enough to get his exceptional glove and arm on the field.
by parish on Oct 6, 2025 4:57 PM EDT reply actions
Nick Ahmed and Matt Lipka too
even though they’re much further off than the other 2
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 7, 2025 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
If you're talking just minor leagues
then yes, there is an imbalance because it’s impossible to have hitting talent to match the kind of pitching depth the braves have. However, this is a team that recently graduated Jason Heyward and Freddie Freeman, they’re not devoid of young offensive talent at the major league level. There is some talent coming through the system too with Simmons, Pastornicky, Drury, etc. Their pitching has always been their key to success though so I see nothing wrong with the fact that their system is heavy on pitching talent.
by lomo45 on Oct 6, 2025 4:58 PM EDT reply actions
Salcedo
He is enigmatic to me. Looked like a top 100 prospect at mid-season, but faded late.
What are the opinions on him?
by parish on Oct 6, 2025 5:48 PM EDT reply actions
Talented, Raw, Young
still adjusting to the pro game. Still a BIG ? as to whether he’ll pan out due to the issues noted.
by theatlfan on Oct 6, 2025 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s got as much potential as anyone, but has a long way to go. Still just 20 years old.
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by bwellnjonesco on Oct 11, 2025 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
There is
definitely an imbalance here. When ranking farm systems, you like to have a good balance of pitching and offensive prospects. Offensively the Braves lack quite a bit at this point.
That being said, the top end talent and depth of their major and upper minor league arms is so deep that they can go out and get a 3B to replace Jones, or a couple outfielders should they choose.
Their system to me has taken a little bit of a hit losing Clemens and Oberholzer, as well as Perez not having as good a year as expected. Their main bat in Lipka wasn’t all that good, though a guy I really like Andrelton Simmons had a good year.
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by dbpjohn on Oct 6, 2025 6:58 PM EDT reply actions
Andrelton Simmons
It looks to me like Baseball America regards Simmons very highly.
Drury, too, for that matter.
by parish on Oct 7, 2025 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
You are talking about “lists” that BA publishes - the key is " BA regard highly" - the only opinion that matters is that of the major league club themselves and they don’t publish lists - all others are nothing but speculation.
by bravesfaninchitown on Oct 7, 2025 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
There is
a distinction when talking about offensive prospects vs. pitching prospects. Atlanta has two of the youngest offensive players in the big leagues, Freeman and Heyward, both only 21 years old and both very solid contributors at the big league level. After that the minor league system has alot of YOUNG offensive talent - Simmons (22), LaStella (22), Terdoslavich (22), Salcedo (20), Bethancourt (19), Lipka (19) and Drury(19) to name the most high profile. One must remember that it takes a greater amount of time to develop hitters as opposed to pitchers - so I don’t think there is an inbalance but maybe a bigger gap in mlb ready or soon to be ready offensive talent in the system.
Bethancourt was 19 and in high A, Salcedo and Lipka, both 19, in low A full season which is a very advanced level for their age - all can expect to have some growing pains but all are very talented - so, let’s not short change this system - the future is bright on the offensive side of the game !!
by bravesfaninchitown on Oct 6, 2025 10:19 PM EDT reply actions
Fact check
The “it takes longer to develop hitters” thing doesn’t ring true on first blush… anyone have some useful data on average # of minor league seasons before a HS hitter reaches the majors vs a HS pitcher?
by realitypolice on Oct 7, 2025 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Heyward and Freeman
Seem like obvious exceptions.
by OrangeBravo on Oct 7, 2025 1:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Definitely not the norm - pitching wise you can point to all of the young braves pitchers, strasburg, moore, the list goes on and on …
by bravesfaninchitown on Oct 7, 2025 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't see how Moore fits in as a quick developer
He’s 24 and spent 6 seasons in the minors. Granted, anybody reaching the majors full time at 21 is an exception. However, I expect there is a fair amount of organizational perspective that contributes to prospect development curves. If Jacob Turner was a Ray, would he even be in AA? If Moore was a Tiger, how many years ago would he have reached the majors? Bottom line, it’s hard to generalize a curve for pitchers or hitters.
by OrangeBravo on Oct 8, 2025 1:39 PM EDT via SB Nation iPhone app up reply actions
Do your homework dude ...
Matt Moore is 22 years old ( DOB is 6/18/1989), has only spent 4 years in minor league ball, was drafted in the eight round of the 2007 draft, signed late, only pitched in 8 games, 20 innings, that summer - doesn’t really qualify as a year in the minors - so technically, he has spent 4 years in the minors.
It is not hard to generalize a curve for pitchers, pitchers will move faster because of various factors, such as innings pitched, and yes, organizational perspective also plays a big part in it but you see many more younger pitchers called up then you do position players - also, because, in part there are alot more pitchers on rosters than any other position too - that’s a fact.
by bravesfaninchitown on Oct 8, 2025 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
imbalance
I would be trading a few pitchers somewhere for a LF (as an earlier poster said). If they can unload a bigger contract (Lowe or Hudson), I would argue all the better in that deal or another.
Also of concern is that there is no depth in position players. A key injury or two at a critical position (say C or RF), and they’d be in serious trouble.
by noelman31 on Oct 7, 2025 1:18 AM EDT reply actions
Why would you unload Hudson? He is our best pitcher and he is underpaid. That would not be a good decision.
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by ArmyITSpec on Oct 7, 2025 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Hudson has 10/5 rights. He can’t be traded or “unloaded”. He is also the best pitcher on the staff, it would make no sense to trade him.
by FourScore199 on Oct 7, 2025 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I would argue that Hanson is better,
But far less durable. Hudson is incredibly valuble to this team because of his ability to throw 200+ quality innings, something I wouldn’t expect out of the young starters.
by OrangeBravo on Oct 7, 2025 1:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hanson is better
But Hudson is more consistant and reliable. You always know what you are getting out of Hudson. Hanson is better and will be better but you never know which Hanson will pitch.
God has to bruise you before he use you. So you'll be sensitive to his touch.
by ArmyITSpec on Oct 7, 2025 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
well
First, off I’m not a Braves fan. Just responding to the thread.
Hudson makes $9 million in 2012 and has a $9 million option in 2013 with a $1 million buy out. If trading him bought in a big name left fielder (I’m assuming Chipper fades away and Prado moves back to 3rd), why not pull the trigger? Atlanta has a ton of young arms who will be team controlled for 5-6 years…
by noelman31 on Oct 7, 2025 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Seems like a poor match to me.
Hudson, a veteran controlled for two years traded to a team who gives up an established bat with probably only a couple of years of control. It seems like you have to find another contender with an exact fit. Hard to do.
A better field of trading partners would be found for the young arms, not to even mention the 10/5 thing. And Atlanta would be more willing to give up one of the Big Four (includes Minor) than the existing cornerstone of their rotation.
by parish on Oct 7, 2025 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Terdoslavich
Was this a breakout year for him? Does he deserve to be on the national radar?
He was the Braves’ minor league POY.
by parish on Oct 7, 2025 3:08 PM EDT reply actions
He's a prospect at this point, but still not anywhere close to the top 100
If he can put up good numbers at AA next year then people will really start to pay attention.
by nixa37 on Oct 7, 2025 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Lots of young arms. Gonna have to trade a guy or two. Still need a big bat in LF and I think JJ will be moved by next year’s deadline.
The bats in our system seem to have a lot of ?’s to me. Some talent there for sure though.
Love the pitching depth though.
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by Sparhawk on Oct 7, 2025 3:09 PM EDT reply actions
What about Ronan Pacheco?
John asked about sleepers. Is he one from the pitching depth?
He seems to have an exceptional fastball with unusual movement. Obviously, he needs to make the curve more consistent and maintain his arm action on the change. If he does that, with his deceptive delivery, it seems like he could really break out.
by parish on Oct 7, 2025 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
This will anger me the rest of my life, thanks John for giving the Rangers a potential Dynasty
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This trade will anger me for the rest of my life. It set back the Braves IMO and even though Yuni was good then he was a headcase and not a leader like Andrus. I don’t think Atlanta collapses like they did if they have a leader like him. Feliz would probably be our ace right now and Harrison in the 4 spot and a lefty starter.
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