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Scorecard question

When a player reaches base on a fielder’s choice, does that count as a hit? This always confuses me.

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by 49er16 on Jul 18, 2025 4:08 PM EDT reply actions  

That's what I thought

Does it count as a AB?

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by 49er16 on Jul 18, 2025 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes. In terms of stats, it's basically like grounding out.

Except, of course, if that guy ends up scoring a run or something that counts for his stats.

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by thejd44 on Jul 18, 2025 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the clarification.

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by 49er16 on Jul 18, 2025 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Something extra that you might already know...

but if a runner scores on a double play, it does not count as an RBI for the batter. Always thought that was interesting.

by lions1 on Jul 18, 2025 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does a fielders choice help your OBP?

just got me thinking as I read the first question :)

by gpellet41 on Jul 18, 2025 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

Neither does ROE (Reached on Error).

by DavidRF on Jul 18, 2025 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

ROE is a part of wOBA though

At least in theory. That information is awful hard to find.

by jar75 on Jul 18, 2025 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

It’s been shown that ROE is actually a repeatable skill, so it’s included in some advanced metrics. It’s an 0 for 1 in the box score though.

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by thejd44 on Jul 19, 2025 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Huh?

I want to read that study. How is ROE a repeatable skill? You can’t induce a fielder to mess up.

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by Nate Rose on Jul 20, 2025 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think it's more that errors are more often committed on harder hit balls

so the players that hit the ball harder get more RBOEs

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by gore51 on Jul 21, 2025 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Please John

Explain to me why the A.L. West has 4 teams, while every other division has 5, except for the N.L. Central which has 6?

by thefordhamflash on Jul 18, 2025 4:29 PM EDT reply actions  

I can answer that

the AL has 14 teams and the NL has 16, so a division is going to have a even number of teams

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by WVPiratesfan on Jul 18, 2025 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even number of teams in both the NL and the AL

So that you don’t need to have one team taking a game off in each league every day. Otherwise the schedule would run longer. Of course, now that there’s interleague, they could get around the problem by having the two ‘off’ teams play each other throughout the year rather than having all the interleague games at one time.

The original plan was to get up to 32 teams, but obviously that’s just not deasible. Need a much larger market to profitably run a baseball team than any other major sport, and at this point, the only market without a team (sort of) that could actually support one is the San Bernardino Valley.

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by Brickhaus on Jul 18, 2025 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

New York could handle a third team

… never going to happen, but the market would support it

by DavidRF on Jul 18, 2025 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would, but the Yankees would threaten to secede

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by Brickhaus on Jul 19, 2025 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

That would be worth the risk.

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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 19, 2025 6:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why do all the pundits think the Pirates don't try to win

The Royals aren’t really trying to win and no one bad mouths them

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by WVPiratesfan on Jul 18, 2025 4:35 PM EDT reply actions  

The Royals aren’t bad mouthed for being cheap?

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by 49er16 on Jul 18, 2025 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

No way

I rely on the royals to throw money at miserable free agents so my team doesn’t. Just ask Rick ankiel

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by Dttl89 on Jul 18, 2025 6:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

oh my god

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by doublestix on Jul 18, 2025 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let me rephrase that

why do the Pittsburgh Pundits bad mouth the Pirates for not trying to win, I should have narrowed that my bad

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by WVPiratesfan on Jul 18, 2025 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's because the PPG loves to rip on the FO

They’ve got their reader-base believing the hype on Nutting, NH, & co being liars and cheapskates, and it sells. They’re quick to forget that even the Penguins had to rebuild. Other teams have harsh pundits, too. Even Dodgers pundits in the LA Times a couple years back when the Dodgers had the best record in baseball were criticizing the team constantly. Basically, why aren’t the Dodgers trading Clayton Kershaw for Roy Halladay or Matt Kemp for Jason Bay or some equally inane statements for a team that has shown an unwillingness to put on salary during the year.

Criticism sells.

by QuinnTheEzkamo on Jul 19, 2025 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

They deserve the criticism

I don’t read the PG (or any Pittsburgh newspaper), but the Pirates deserve every bit of criticism they receive.

by jar75 on Jul 19, 2025 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

The team is terrible, we all know that

However, when the newspaper is calling for NH & Nutting’s head because they could turn the franchise around in 2-3 years, that is undeserved. No one is arguing that the major league team isn’t terrible. The FO, however, seems to have an actual plan that needs more time to fully enact.

by QuinnTheEzkamo on Jul 19, 2025 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think their execution has been awful

The draft is the only area that I’d say they’ve excelled at.

by jar75 on Jul 19, 2025 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think its safe to say we won the Milledge Hanrahan for Burnett Morgan trade

and alot of other trades we got mid-level prospects, but as I said over Bucs Dugout, when you have crap you get slightl less crappy crap in return

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by WVPiratesfan on Jul 19, 2025 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you on the Milledge/Hanrahan trade, but it seems like one of those deals where Pirates fans say we won and Nats fans say they won. Usually that’s a sign of an even deal.

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by Nate Rose on Jul 20, 2025 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

this

nobody the Pirates traded away was a superstar.

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by Blicks on Jul 21, 2025 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bay was arguably a superstar.

Despite awful defense, he’d had 2 seasons of 5+ WAR for the Pirates, and had another one for the Red Sox the year following the trade.

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by Nate Rose on Jul 21, 2025 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

What exactly is "pepper" and why is it not allowed behind the catcher?

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by strums on Jul 18, 2025 4:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Pepper

is a pre game exercise (I don’t think utilized much these days) where a batter with a short stroke hits balls to 3-4 fielders standing just a few feet away. The fielder who gets the ball throws it back to the hitter and so forth. It’s not allowed behind the catcher because they don’t want someone to get hit in the head who can’t see the ball coming even though the hits are not going very far one could get away,

It’s good for reactions and lining up ball-bat control etc

by ribman on Jul 18, 2025 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

The person who catches the ball in the air would be the next person to

hit the ball

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by Marinerfanjake on Jul 18, 2025 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s still played a lot today. But, more often than not, it’s being played with an extension — now called Flips.

by PatMHickey on Jul 18, 2025 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why?

Does MLB refuse to go to an electronic umpiring system. The purity of the game stuff is BS. From a guy who umped for 10 years, getting balls and strikes right is a hard thing to do. Even as an ump, I’d rather utilize the technology and just get it right (because as an ump our #1 priority should be getting things right).

I can’t believe how inconsistent the strikezones that I have seen this year are and it’s ridiculous. “Playing the ump” shouldn’t be part of the game. Plays at first and the strikezone should both be handled electronically. It’s time to get things more right. JMO…

by Dfarth on Jul 18, 2025 4:41 PM EDT reply actions  

why?

because baseball progresses at a glacial speed. why is that? i believe there’s something about baseball being such an old, ingrained game that the powers that be feel a need to ‘respect tradition and purity’ instead of, as they see it, ‘changing the game’ and potentially starting down a ‘slippery slope.’

btw, i totally agree with you.

by Travis G on Jul 18, 2025 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

absolutely!

i couldn’t agree w/ you more.

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by the pinstripes on Jul 18, 2025 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because Bud Selig is the comissioner of baseball

And he doesn’t do anything right. He’s also a staunch traditionalist.

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by Nate Rose on Jul 18, 2025 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree GREATLY

Bud brought in the Wild Card, radical realignment, interleague play and attempted to contract two teams.

Hes far from a traditionalist, and really, other then two idiot managers in an all-star game forcing him to look foolish hes been a pretty dang good commissioner.

by ADLC on Jul 18, 2025 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Wild Card is fine and all, but I still prefer the old-fashioned pennant race to playoffs all together. There are 162 games in a baseball season. I think that’s more than enough to know which team is the best in each league and match them up in the World Series. I’d rather see the two best teams play each other in the World Series every year than watch two more rounds of playoffs or watch the Cardinals win the World Series with an 83 win team.

Radical realignment - eh? So? It’s different, so yeah, you could say it’s non traditionalist, but really, who cares about the realignment?

I will say that I think you’re right that he’s been vastly underrated as a commissioner, but I maintain my stance that he’s a traditionalist. Otherwise there wouldn’t be so much hand-wringing over replay or electronic umpiring.

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by Nate Rose on Jul 18, 2025 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't Know

What is the ideal way to train a pitchers arm for endurance and prevent injury?
Where’s the line between statistical analysis and human instinct? I beleive both are relevent to the game.
Why major league teams are so afraid to take risk and try new strategies?
Which defensive metrics to trust
How much is scouting, development and just plain talent in the making of a great player
What makes a good hitting and pitching coach
What does a bench coach do and how many managers actually seriously take into account their input
How much is hype and how much is real

by ribman on Jul 18, 2025 4:41 PM EDT reply actions  

I don' t know why baseball doesn't require its players

to train year round like they do for football. As much as teams invest in players, they seem to be left on their own until spring training. Why don’t teams have mini camps two or three times during the winter to check their progress. You would think they would have year round training for minor leaguers beyond the instructional league.

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by daveyork on Jul 18, 2025 5:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Most players do...

train year round whether they are required or not. There are some lazy guys, but being lazy in the offseason is usually followed by a down year.

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by joegonzo on Jul 19, 2025 7:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pitcher routines on off days

What do they do on days they are not pitching? What is their throwing program? I always assumed it was one day of long toss another day of bullpen throwing and another day of throwing from flat ground and then a day of rest in no particular order

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by Lurkingoutside on Jul 18, 2025 5:45 PM EDT reply actions  

they don't throw for something like two days and have their arms iced and worked on

then third day is a long toss session and the day before they start they have a bullpen session

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by WVPiratesfan on Jul 18, 2025 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Follow up

Why don’t more pitchers work actually innings between starts. That always bugged me. If they can have a sim inning or bullpen session, why can’t your ace work an inning?

by ADLC on Jul 18, 2025 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have no real idea

other than they don’t want them to get hurt. Thats the only thing I can think of

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by WVPiratesfan on Jul 18, 2025 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don't throw all out in between starts

Plus you have to warm up (which adds more pitches) and it messes with pitcher’s routines. Just not worth the risk.

by nixa37 on Jul 18, 2025 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe Mazzone used to have pitchers have two bullpen sessions between starts

Not sure if any teams still do that, but I know he was not the norm with that philosophy. You’d think more teams would have tried it.

by nixa37 on Jul 18, 2025 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sacrifices

if a batter bunts a runner on 2nd to 3rd, he gets a sacrifice and no at bat is charged, but if he hits a fly ball in the same situation and the runner tags up and moves to 3rd, he is charged with an at bat. Why the difference?

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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 18, 2025 6:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Two things

First, it’s actually up to the official scorer if he thinks the batter was trying to sacrifice or not. He could (but rarely does) say he was bunting for a hit and not give him the SH.

This plays into the second point. On the assumption that a bunt is an intentional giving oneself up, there is absolutely no way to know (or even presume) that a fly ball was “on purpose.” More likely, the guy was trying to get a hit and he’s settling for moving the runners along.

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by thejd44 on Jul 18, 2025 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok

then why is a flyball that scores a run not an at bat whereas one that moves a runner, but doesn’t score a run treated as an at bat? In both cases, the scorer can’t presume that the batter was trying to sacrifice himself.

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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 19, 2025 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Usually when a player hits a sac fly, they’re trying to put the ball in play and they just make an out. A bunt is (usually) an intentional out.

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by Nate Rose on Jul 20, 2025 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Defensive Indifference

What was the reason for the inception of the defensive indifference rule? Were so many late game bases being stolen that the integrity of stolen base records needed to be protected? When did this start?

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by goose102977 on Jul 18, 2025 6:59 PM EDT reply actions  

The rule was added in 1920

The same year that SF’s became non-AB’s and game-ending homers became guaranteed (used to be only the required number of runs to win would count).

I don’t know the history of the rule change.

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by JDSussman on Jul 18, 2025 7:08 PM EDT reply actions  

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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 18, 2025 7:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Umpires

Who decides to “call up” an umpire to the majors, and how is this decided? Also, are the umps considered better from A ball, to AA, to AAA? As a scout do you see a difference in umpiring skills between the different leagues?

by swilliam on Jul 18, 2025 7:29 PM EDT reply actions  

I do know a little about this as a local guy is currently an ump in A ball. On average, it takes 10-12 years of umpiring before one calls a game in the big leagues.

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by Whiteyballer on Jul 18, 2025 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's also fairly political

I recently read an article about this, after the blown call for Gallaragas perfect game The argument was it takes so long for minor league umpires to move up through systems that the best young talent quits because it’s a hard existance for not much money. ML umpires are almost like supreme court justices they are their for life. Throw in some nepotism and good ole boy clubbing in the umpire schools run by ex umps and it sounds like kind of a racket.

by ribman on Jul 18, 2025 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

because the IOC is a bunch of European douches

that don’t understand the sport

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by WVPiratesfan on Jul 18, 2025 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's expensive to build baseball stadiums

And they can’t really be used for much else other than baseball.

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by Brickhaus on Jul 19, 2025 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fielding

Why do many teams insist on letting their best offensive players dictate their defensive assignments. The Orioles are the example that made me think this, but I see it on a number of teams. Adam Jones plays center even though he doesnt have the range (or common sense) of Felix Pie or Corey Patterson.

by ADLC on Jul 18, 2025 7:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Gold Gloves generally go to...

Good offensive players who aren’t hacks in the field. It takes an exceptional glove to hit .253 and win a gold glove. I just don’t think the writers that vote know enough about the game to give the award any legitimacy.

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by strums on Jul 18, 2025 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, I understand GG dont always go to the guys that deserve them

but regardless he still won one and to this guy is saying he doesnt have the ranger or common sense to play the position

by Yankees10 on Jul 18, 2025 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I watch a lot of Baltimore games

Jones admittedly plays too shallow (he has talked about this repeatedly), he gets poor jumps on the ball. He’s got a good arm, there is no question about that, and hes fast enough, but his reaction time is poor. Last year he was a decent fielder, but was league average at best. Meanwhile Patterson has been an above average CF most of his career, and Pie seems to be better suited to cf as well.

Look, I like Jones, but I’ve seen him unable to get to balls at the wall one too many times.

We have also seen this a number of other times with starters who would be better suited to DH but insist on playing the field.

by ADLC on Jul 18, 2025 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is why Seattle played him in Right Field

But they also couldn’t replace Ichiro who was in Center while they also had Jose Guillen who too, was in Right

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by Marinerfanjake on Jul 18, 2025 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't Ichiro play...

center for like one season before they moved him back to right?

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by joegonzo on Jul 19, 2025 7:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

He played 39 games in Center late in the 2006 season

Then in 2007 he played the entire season there so Jose Guillen/Adam Jones could play Right Field. In 2008 He was moved back to Right after the Firing of McLaren.

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by Marinerfanjake on Jul 19, 2025 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nate McLouth also won a Gold Glove

After a -20.5 UZR/150 season. His TZ was -7. His career UZR/150 is -9.4 in center. Career TZ is -16.

Derek Jeter has won three Gold Gloves. -4.9 career UZR/150.

Adam Jones has a career -2.6 UZR/150 in center.

I think it’s fair to say that the Gold Glove isn’t an indicator of good defense.

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by Nate Rose on Jul 18, 2025 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

?

UZR is generally considered one of the better metrics when evaluating a players defense.

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by joegonzo on Jul 19, 2025 7:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, im not saying it is a good indicator but

Jones is not a star and didnt win it based on his name, so all I was saying is he must have been doing something good out there to have won it.

by Yankees10 on Jul 19, 2025 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Neither was McLouth at the time.

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by Nate Rose on Jul 20, 2025 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you miss my point.

They both won despite god-awful defense, yet they both hit very well in the years they won.

It’s not just the metrics that say McLouth was a bad defender when he won it. Ask any Pirates fan, they’ll tell you he played too shallow and let a ton of balls that would have been easy catches with deeper positioning go over his head.

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by Nate Rose on Jul 21, 2025 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mark McGwire also once won a gold glove

and for this reason, one of my friends used to always try to convince me that McGwire was the better defensive 1B when compared to J.T. Snow

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by gore51 on Jul 19, 2025 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rafael Palmero won a GG

and he played under 20 games at first base and spent the rest of the season as DH

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by Marinerfanjake on Jul 19, 2025 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was actually 28 games

in 1999 with the Rangers

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by Marinerfanjake on Jul 19, 2025 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Minors

Other than lack of ability, why do so many prospects fail?

by jnorman76 on Jul 18, 2025 7:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Lack of self decipline

and a lack of ability to really adjust to the wooden bat

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by WVPiratesfan on Jul 18, 2025 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1 on discipline

Most of these guys are used to be the stars on their teams. When they enter pro ball they have to adjust to not being “the man”. I imagine this change is pretty difficult.

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by Gobroks on Jul 18, 2025 8:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Major League Baseball is hard

I don’t think that point can be overstated.

by jar75 on Jul 18, 2025 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only 750 guys can be on 25-man MLB rosters at once.

Everyone can’t succeed, because then the talent level would just increase, and the bar to admittance would be higher.

by slamcactus on Jul 20, 2025 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Earned Unearned Run

If a pitcher makes an error that allows an inning to stay alive long enough for a run to score, why is that not an earned run? It’s one thing if a position player’s flub allows the run, but the pitcher is a different cat altogether.

by Toad on Jul 18, 2025 8:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Because the offensive team didn't earn it

Initially I don’t think earned runs were as important when evaluating pitchers as they were when evaluating offenses (at least in the eyes of the people keeping the stats). Because errors are a lot less prevalent now, we don’t look at things the same ways.

by nixa37 on Jul 18, 2025 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

The reasoning (good or not) is that the pitcher is not pitching when the error happens, so he's a fielder (not a pitcher).

While it’s the same person, the idea is that pitching stats shouldn’t be negatively affected by the actions of bad fielding.

And in a way, this does make sense. If a pitcher commits an error, should his stats that are supposed to show how good he is at pitching take a hit? (This just shows how silly the ER/R/ERA stuff can be)

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by thejd44 on Jul 19, 2025 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, one more thing that shows that pitchers are treated differently when they're pitching/fielding

If a pitcher throws to first without stepping off and the ball goes out of play the number of bases awarded is different than if they step off the rubber, throw over, and the ball goes out of play.

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by thejd44 on Jul 19, 2025 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

official scorer

does baseball assign the village idiot to perform this task?

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by the pinstripes on Jul 18, 2025 8:45 PM EDT reply actions  

it seems like it sometimes

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by WVPiratesfan on Jul 18, 2025 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Teams chose their own not MLB

and usually it’s to a homer hack who will taylor calls to home team players. Sid Bordman was OS in KC for decades and just awful-I think he finally got pryed away from it. He was about 95 years old and an ex beat writer

by ribman on Jul 18, 2025 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why does ESPN insist Joe Morgan ruin our lives every Sunday night?

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by 49er16 on Jul 18, 2025 8:46 PM EDT reply actions  

“Joe Morgan ruin our lives EVERY Sunday night”… at least he’s consistent!

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by mudie on Jul 19, 2025 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't understand why the pitcher still has to bat.

Either install designated hitter in both leagues or only allow the eight position players to bat. But for Christ’s sake, why the hell do I have to watch this uninterested pitcher get up and either flail aimlessly at the ball or bunt. That is uninteresting.

by NateHST on Jul 18, 2025 9:00 PM EDT reply actions  

not all pitchers are disinterested

I believe this is in part due to so much use of the DH in the minor leagues. I have noticed anecdotally that the best-hitting pitchers seem to have spent less time in the minors…so they don’t have as much time to forget how to hit. Mike Leake, for example, looks anything but helpless at the plate.
FWIW, I do kinda wish both major leagues operated under the same rules.

by DevilsAdvocate on Jul 18, 2025 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mike Leake...

also was a really good hitter in college and probably could have been a major league player at the hot corner.

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by joegonzo on Jul 19, 2025 7:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

You don't have to watch

You can watch the AL instead. Personally I love watching the different strategies used in a NL game.

by King Billy Royal on Jul 18, 2025 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because it's baseball, and in baseball everyone gets a turn at bat.

The DH is an abortion.

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by Nate Rose on Jul 18, 2025 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Abortion?

There are pitchers out there that have somewhat decent batting skills, but most of them don’t. I’ve never really seen anything wrong with the analogy to football and the “Unless you want to see somebody seriously injured, you wouldn’t want to watch a kicker play offense or defense.” A pitchers job is a very unique, special thing. I want to see them do that.

I want to see hitters hit.

by NateHST on Jul 19, 2025 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder if people used this argument to keep helmets off football players.

Rules changes in sports. All. The. Time.

And this one is one that should absolutely change for the good of the sport.

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by thejd44 on Jul 19, 2025 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why? Because pitchers refuse to learn how to run the bases?

Most of them can’t hit, sure, but it’s not hard to learn how to run the bases without falling down and hurting yourself. There’s a huge difference between a completely preventable injury like pitchers not being able to run bases and an injury that’s pretty much bound to happen like football players who aren’t wearing helmets getting serious brain damage. (Hell, they still get serious brain damage even with the helmets.)

If the DH was always a rule, nobody would have known Babe Ruth as anything other than a pretty good pitcher just after the deadball era.

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by Nate Rose on Jul 21, 2025 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't understand why the slow runners still have to run.

Either install designated runners in both leagues or only allow the fast runners to get on base. But for Christ’s sake, why the hell do I have to watch this slow runner get on base and clog the bases. That is uninteresting.

by ecbc on Jul 19, 2025 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree

It’s fun watching slow runners wobble around the bases.

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by Marinerfanjake on Jul 19, 2025 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

While we're at it, why do shortstops and catchers have to hit?

After all, they’re on the team for their defense and they possess pretty unique skills. The catcher has to have 90 MPH fastballs hit his hand for 9 innings every day and sit in an uncomfortable crouch. Why don’t you have 2 DHes so you don’t have to put the poor widdle catcher through hitting?

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by Nate Rose on Jul 21, 2025 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why don’t other sports have the extensive minor league system that baseball has?

by ozzman99 on Jul 18, 2025 9:09 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't know thats a good question

I know Hockey does, but I don’t know why other sports haven’t adoped a minor league system.

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by WVPiratesfan on Jul 18, 2025 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because they don't have to

Baseball players need significant post amateur work to become MLB caliber players. Hockey players develop mostly in Junior leagues and NCAA hockey, so they only need higher level minor leagues. Football players are just about ready by the time they’re drafted, and I know nothing about basketball.

by jar75 on Jul 18, 2025 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

you are telling that there is 32 competent starting QB in the NFL

because I think there is closer to 20-25 some sort of league where a oung polayer can get some experience started would help the NFL alot

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by WVPiratesfan on Jul 18, 2025 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually

The NBA has the D-League for players who need more polish. It’s kind of a low rent minor league system.

The NFL used to have NFL Europe until that league folded. I do wish the NFL would buy out the UFL and turn that league into a minor league system.

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by 49er16 on Jul 18, 2025 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

The lower league Fail

The CBA and NFL Europa have both proven unsuccessful. The NFL still recruits from Arena and Indoor football, while the NBA has the low level D-League and the Euro Leagues. Plus a majority of Football players are drafted after 3-4 years of college football against top competition, college baseball suffers from extreme talent dilution and most top young players skip it altogether.

Hockey has more extensive minor league systems then baseball, when you consider that most of the players come out of junior league, Euro league or 4 years of NCAA Hockey, then hit the official minor leagues.

by ADLC on Jul 18, 2025 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hockey has more extensive minor league systems then baseball, when you consider that most of the players come out of junior league, Euro league or 4 years of NCAA Hockey, then hit the official minor leagues.

I disagree, hockey has basically two levels of minor leagues, AHL would be analogous to AAA & AA, and the ECHL & CHL would be similar to Indy ball, in that most NHLers do not play at that level at any time.

You can’t include the European leagues(SEL, KHL, DEL SM-liiga) in the NHL feeder system any more than you could include the NPB in the MLB feeder system. They are fully formed leagues who only contribute a handful of regular(players who consistently play in NHL) imports per season.

You are completely correct though with the extent of Canadian “Major Junior” leagues(OHL, WHL, QMJHL) and the NCAA. Those leagues provide an amateur development framework for the NHL that the MLB can not equal.

*Canadian junior player are actually paid, some upwards of $200/week(for over-age players - 20 or 21 years old); European junior imports to Canada have been rumoured to be compensated under-the-table at a considerably better rate, though.

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by mudie on Jul 19, 2025 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

3rd QB are usally veterans to teach the younger guys

most young QBs are backups

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by WVPiratesfan on Jul 18, 2025 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think that's right

The 3rd QB is the one deactivated and the veteran is usually the back up in case the starter goes down?

by jar75 on Jul 18, 2025 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

depends on the guy

Eli Manning was the #2 to Kurt Warner, as was Matt Leinert. Flacco was supposed to back up Troy Smith. A less-ready guy like Colt Brennan will usually be the #3, as they aren’t expected to play.

It really all depends on who the team/player needs.

by ADLC on Jul 18, 2025 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Weren't those guys considered elite though?

If the team already designated them as their back-up, I doubt they would have been sent down to a minor league team.

by jar75 on Jul 18, 2025 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well..

yes. Brennan is the time of guy who would have played in Europe in the past. But injuries are a huge concern for football compared to baseball. The average career of a regular starter is quite short compared to the other sports, and teams wouldnt want to risk playing a future piece in a sub league for more then one season.

Meanwhile, football, for one, benefits from the lack of games. it makes each game a bigger event, and the fans have never taken to off-season football in a big way. Again, due to injuries and depth teams wouldnt want their third string guys playing in another league during the season.

by ADLC on Jul 18, 2025 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I for one...

think there are even more than 32 competent starting QBs in the league. Success of a QB relies more on the parts around them than it does on just talent. Peyton Manning wouldn’t survive with a bad offensive line and no good recivers, while Matt Cassel(who sucks) looked good in New England when he replaced Brady because of the team around him.

On backups, I think if football had a minor league system even the elite young QBs like Eli was would have been sent down rather than being a backup in the NFL. Getting experience behind center in the teams offense is very valubale and would probably help them more than sitting behind a veteran guy for a year or two.

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by joegonzo on Jul 19, 2025 7:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

See, but this implies that either baseball is a much more difficult sport to master than, say, basketball or football, or that NBA and NFL players are simply not of the same caliber as MLB players. Why should it take longer to be a MLB caliber player than to be a NBA or NFL caliber player?

by ozzman99 on Jul 18, 2025 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Football and Basketball are not my forte

But from what I can tell, you can get by a lot easier on raw physical tools in those sports than baseball. In baseball, you have to develop skills to have any success in the majors. They’re just different sports.

by jar75 on Jul 18, 2025 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another Thought

Baseball rosters contain 25 players. Usually 13 position players and 12 pitchers, of whom 19-20 are regular contributors and the other 5-6 play often.

Basketball rosters are 15, of which few teams play more then 8 or 9 for regular minutes.
Football teams have 53 man rosters, including 22 starters, 3-4 specialist and another 15 or so rotation guys. A number of players may not play at all for their first couple years in the league. That said, football needs to carry more players because of the risk of injury. Plus with a time clock on football players careers players (and teams) wouldnt want to risk career ending injuries in a lower league

Here is a good comparison . QB versus SP. A college QB will usually spend 3 or 4 years in college before getting drafted. All but the very elite will spend 2-3 years as a backup or third qb as they learn the game on the NFL level Meanwhile a SP on average has less then 3 years of college baseball. Then all but the very elite will spend 2-3 years (longer with less college) working their way through the system until they get a shot at a major league rotation spot. Then usually they work their way from BOTR to TOTR status (assuming the talent is there).

The NFL and NBA benefits greatly from the recognition players achieve playing top level college ball. Baseball can’t say the same. The NFL and NBA have no desire to hurt that pipeline.

by ADLC on Jul 18, 2025 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think some has to do with...

players going straight from high school. If baseball made every player go to college, the level of competition would grow and make college players better. It would probably eliminate the need for at least the lower levels because all college players should be able to compete in at least high A now.

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by joegonzo on Jul 19, 2025 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

chicken and egg - baseball has become a tougher league to break into because of the minor league system. The subset of skills needed to excel at the MLB level(Hitting) is harder to obtain and a lack of them is far easier to spot than the equivalents in other sports.

But the flip side to MLB’s minor league system is that it has eroded the skill level of NCAA baseball - very few of the elite baseball talents make their way onto campus, they instead get channeled through 4 or 5 years of minor progressions going from rookie ball to AAA. Where as in other sports the clubs are willing to bridge the slightly smaller gap by placing the player on the teams active roster immediately or after a short apprenticeship in a lower league where applicable(NHL - AHL).

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by mudie on Jul 19, 2025 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Baseball instituted the minor leagues before collective bargaining

Same with the NHL. The other leagues didn’t start until collective bargaining, and the players generally won’t concede that point. The NFL and NBA have tried to make half-ass minor leagues, but haven’t been too successful with it, in part because of collective bargaining issues.

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by Brickhaus on Jul 19, 2025 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Football and Basketball rely so much on athletic ability. Youre most athletic when youre young, so the guys are ready to come straight out of college (even high school before the NBA changed the rule) and are able to not only play but in some cases excel.

by philiafan14364 on Jul 19, 2025 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

why does the NL insist on sacrifice bunting in the 2nd inning?

This isn’t soccer where a 1-0 score is an insurmountable lead. I can’t even watch NL baseball because the pitcher is almost an automatic out and teams are gladly giving up outs to play for 1 run. Teach the pitchers to hit or get with the damn DH already. Sorry, but it is not strategy to walk the number 8 hitter to get to the pitcher, its a no-brainer. The little bit of added decision making whether to pinch hit for the pitcher is more than offset by the idiocy of having to have to watvh the pitcher hit roughly 6 times a game (3 for each team).

by Looney4baseball on Jul 18, 2025 9:21 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I've seen my fair share of AL early-game sac bunts

Still, unless its a pitcher bunting, early-game bunts make little/no sense.

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by Blicks on Jul 21, 2025 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why does Alyssa Milano ruin baseball careers?

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by Dewey Finn on Jul 18, 2025 9:30 PM EDT reply actions  

because people are too busy looking at her

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by WVPiratesfan on Jul 18, 2025 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because she can.

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by 49er16 on Jul 18, 2025 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

What does Alyssa Milano have to offer?

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by Marinerfanjake on Jul 18, 2025 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

you don't have to work another day in you rlife and you get to go to as many baseball games as you want

sounds like a good life to me

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by WVPiratesfan on Jul 18, 2025 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also

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by Nate Rose on Jul 18, 2025 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

as I said sounds like a good life to me

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by WVPiratesfan on Jul 18, 2025 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I choose her...

there really is no down side.

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by joegonzo on Jul 19, 2025 7:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think her plastic surgeon

moved her left nipple too far to the outside.

by redtopcowboy on Jul 19, 2025 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Minor Leagues in General

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by bestbostonsports on Jul 18, 2025 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why do the uber talented players not try as hard

as the average ball player? Could you imagine how good some players would be if they put in the effort the 57th round players do.

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by angelskid2210 on Jul 18, 2025 10:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Selective bias

You chalk the not-so-talented guy dogging it up to “he’s just not very good.” You chalk the very talented guy dogging it up to “he’s not trying hard.”

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by Nate Rose on Jul 18, 2025 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

True

I didn’t think of that point.

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Little known fact

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by dbacks watcher on Jul 18, 2025 10:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Swinging on pass ball with two strikes

Has anybody ever seen somebody do this? I’ve always wanted to see it happen, but I’m not even sure it’s allowed. I remember in little league there is a rule against intentionally getting out but I guess you aren’t getting out if you make it to first base.

by kempsc on Jul 18, 2025 10:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Rajai Davis did this this year

I’m not completely sure if he KNEW it was going to be a wild pitch, but the pitch was WAAAAAAAAY out of the zone and he hacked at it anyway, then reached first.

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by Player To Be Named Later on Jul 18, 2025 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sac Fly In Last Inning Down Multiple Runs

 I can’t stand that when your behind 2 runs or more and get credited with a sac fly in the last inning. You have hurt your team by not getting on, the run you knocked in means nothing, but yet you don’t get the out against your batting average.

by Ksbengals on Jul 18, 2025 10:29 PM EDT reply actions  

wRAA (based on wOBA) + UZR + Positional Adjustment (Here) + Replacement Level (20 per 600 PA) = RAR / 10 = WAR

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by jar75 on Jul 18, 2025 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's just for hitters, for pitchers it's similar

but wRAA is based off of a combination of FIP and innings pitched at both starting and relieving innings

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by gore51 on Jul 19, 2025 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is Technology "Ruining" The Game?

Needless to say it appears that more and more calls are missed these days by umpires, but it this true?

I’m not convinced that umps are any worse (or better) now than ever before, but with the advent of HD, and perhaps more importantly, the ability with a DVR/Tivo and other devices to slow mo every play repeatedly, perhaps the screw ups are just further magnified.

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by sportznut3081 on Jul 18, 2025 10:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Believe it or not, the umps are probably better now than they were 20 years ago.

I still remember some pretty ridiculous strike zones before MLB started forcing the umpires to call the strike zone and the “high” strike.

I’d also like to point out that the umpires have slowly but surely gone back to doing what they want to do regardless of what MLB tells them to do.

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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 19, 2025 7:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, they're probably better

But I just can’t accept any argument that doesn’t care if they’re not perfect. Games really ought to not be influenced by those who aren’t playing/managing it.

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by thejd44 on Jul 19, 2025 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why are some teams good at developing hitters, but not pitchers?

Or vice versa. Why aren’t they all just studying and copying each other?

by ozzman99 on Jul 18, 2025 10:54 PM EDT reply actions  

To add onto the DH post a little ways up...

How is it that the National League is the only league that I know of (comprised of players age 15 and up) where the pitcher has to bat? I just finished high school, and all four years I played baseball we had the DH available to us. I’m not really a fan of the DH on principle, but the fact that they are alone in abiding by that rule is telling.

by JTW on Jul 18, 2025 11:51 PM EDT reply actions  

I was just going to ask about this...

Can teams in the NL use the DH for a position besides pitcher? I remember one high school team that I covered a few years ago would DH for their catcher all season, which probably says more about him than the pitchers…

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by drjayphd on Jul 19, 2025 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Usually the best players all around players in high school are pitchers and shortstops

You have you’re best players playing shortstop and pitching and hitting because being the best players on the team they can hit better than almost everyone else. DHing for the catcher in that situation probably means the catcher is a underwhelming hitter.

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by Marinerfanjake on Jul 19, 2025 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's not quite accurate

In AA and AAA, when NL-affiliated teams play one another, there will be no designated hitter. However, when AL teams play each other and NL teams play AL teams, there will be a DH.

by Outshined_One on Jul 19, 2025 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

People have been having this argument for FORTY YEARS.

Some people are just not at all receptive to the idea of CHANGING anything about the game of baseball. These people have not given up on the DH, even though certain players have now made the position relevant and important.

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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 19, 2025 7:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Aditionally

Its become TV cliche for a writer who knows nothing about sports to have a character bitch about the DH, continuing a discussion that I have never had with friends.

by ADLC on Jul 19, 2025 7:30 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Also

Why in the world do managers bunt guys over from second to third when they’re trying to score more than one run?

by JTW on Jul 18, 2025 11:52 PM EDT reply actions  

What's more accurate

The average umpire, or fox trax?

by tdp992 on Jul 19, 2025 12:55 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't know...

why lefthanders can’t play catcher.

by slamcactus on Jul 19, 2025 1:33 AM EDT reply actions  

It's rare, but it happens

There are a two reasons I can think of…

1) A left-handed catcher with a strong throwing arm is likely to be converted to pitcher.

2) In theory, it is much easier for a right-handed catcher to throw to 2B than it is for a left-handed catcher. The glove side of a right-handed 2B or SS will be a straight line from a right handed catcher’s arm, whereas a left-handed catcher would have to throw on more of a diagonal.

by Outshined_One on Jul 19, 2025 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also

The throw to 3rd is much smoother from a Rightie. For a lefty, one would have to turn his body to get the proper torque.

by theatlfan on Jul 19, 2025 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only 30 lefthanded throwing catchers...

in the 130+ year history of MLB have played even a single inning. It’s more than rare.

by slamcactus on Jul 20, 2025 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why did the RBI become a major statistic?

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by Brickhaus on Jul 19, 2025 1:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Cause

Counting stats were the preferred way to measure players for a century. Before we all had calculators, phones and computers while watching baseball. Not that I’m a complete caveman on stats, but sometimes its easier to say “PLayer X has 10 more RBI then Player Y” then to do the math on runs created or average with risp.

by ADLC on Jul 19, 2025 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Raw and the Cooked

You hear about players being “raw.” Are some organizations consistently better at improving raw players, and if so how do they accomplish that? I mean literally, like, who is responsible for teaching them what skills, and when, and how? Ultimately, how much is a player’s development made or broken by the actual instruction he receives in the minors?

by FlipYrWhig on Jul 19, 2025 2:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Raw players...

are usually players with really good physical talents, but who don’t have good baseball skills. These guys usually have everything about them taught once they get into their teams system. Swings can be changed, mechanics changed, and everything else can also be changed about them. They are usuallt taught by the minor league coaches and sometimes outside coaches hired by the team specifically for teaching them. Some organizitions do seem like they are better at fixing these guys. The team that jumped to my head was the Twins and maybe a team like Colorado who both have had some really raw players who ended up looking good.

A lot of a player’s development is made or broken down by the actual instruction he receives in the minors. The only thing I would think is more important is the will of the player to work as hard as they can to be a good player.

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by joegonzo on Jul 19, 2025 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

i don't know why

john changed the logo to a guy swinging a metal bat

by SoCalSoxFan on Jul 19, 2025 2:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Saves (and other stats added in the 20th century)

Do these stats become retroactive at all? Has the work been done to not just figure out who got saves prior to 1969, but are these stats official in the eyes of MLB? Baseball-reference has these stats, but I’m wondering if they’re “real” or not.

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by thejd44 on Jul 19, 2025 11:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Double Switches

Why do so many managers double switch when the reliever is obviously not going to pitch the next inning? Why not just pinch hit and use the hitter who is best for that situation, instead of being locked in to the batter you put in the field. The double switch also lets the other team know whom to plan for in the next inning (lefty vs. righty).

by Seamer on Jul 19, 2025 1:12 PM EDT reply actions  

You can move the pitchers spot down or up in the order to potentially avoid using a pinch hitter for the pitchers spot at a later point in the game/ reduce the number of times the pitchers spot would get a plate appearance.

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by mudie on Jul 19, 2025 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can the DH be used for someone other than the pitcher?

Like why was Bobby Crosby hitting over Dan Haren when they were both on the As?

by philiafan14364 on Jul 19, 2025 1:35 PM EDT reply actions  

I just looked this up because I thought that a DH could be used for anyone. Looks like in the major leagues (and I’m guessing minor leagues) the DH needs to be the pitcher. In amateur leagues the DH can be for the weakest hitting player.

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by WalrusMan on Jul 19, 2025 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

However, the pitcher can also be the DH.

I believe it was 2008 when Joe Maddon accidentally filled out his lineup card wrong and Andy Sonnanstine ended up being the starting pitcher, DH and #3 hitter.

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by Nate Rose on Jul 21, 2025 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Corrected.

Like why was Bobby Crosby hitting over Dan Haren when they were both on the As?

by ozzman99 on Jul 20, 2025 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

What is the exact rule for a catcher blocking the plate. Does he need to be receiving the ball or can he just camp out on top of it? Could he lie on his stomach covering it?

by kinbote on Jul 19, 2025 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

if the catcher doesn’t have the ball already, or if he isn’t receiving the ball on a throw, it’s interference to be in the runner’s way. I’m not sure if you can lie over the plate, but if you don’t catch the ball the runner will score, either by touching it or by the interference rule. It’s better to stand just in front of the plate and put your foot in the way, which you can do as long as the throw is in line with the plate.

by EZEebs on Jul 20, 2025 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  


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