Chicago Cubs Organization Discussion
I am now working on the Cleveland Indians Top 20, to be followed by the Chicago Cubs, then the Baltimore Orioles and St. Louis Cardinals.
Use this thread to discuss the Chicago Cubs organization. This is an interesting system, with several pitchers I'm intrigued with (Carpenter, Jackson, Archer, McNutt and others) and an outfielder with a well-balanced skill set in Brett Jackson. Who else do you like in this system? What sleepers catch your eye?
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Brandon Guyer,
Hak Ju Lee, and Ryan Flaherty
by Nnamdi Asomugha on Nov 28, 2025 1:51 PM EST reply actions
Robinson Lopez
I still think he’s due for a breakout. He was overshadowed in the Braves system because of so many good pitching prospects, and I think the same thing is happening to him with the Cubs.
by smk1363 on Nov 28, 2025 2:05 PM EST reply actions
some guys
Jae-Hoon Ha is a sleeper, got ignored a bit because of how stacked the MWL was, but had a very nice season overall except for his BB rate. Alberto Cabrera is the other guy I’d point to, he’s got a great arm.
I love Matt Szczur, he’s got a great hit tool and top-notch speed, plus a good character guy. Hopefully he avoids injury playing football.
And Reggie Golden and Hayden Simpson don’t get much respect for high picks, but they could be big helium guys next year.
by PrincetonCubs on Nov 28, 2025 4:04 PM EST reply actions
golden seems to get plenty of respect, maybe more than he deserves actually
He has good tools and was even getting some first round buzz, making it a little bit of a surprise that he fell as far as he did. Even still, he is certainly risky. I think it was Keith Law who noted that there might be some Wendell Fairley in him, which probably speaks to the biggest concerns - impressive power potential, just super raw (particularly in his offensive approach) and with some unpredictability as to how he might physically mature.
by mrkupe on Nov 28, 2025 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
Brooks Raley
Finished the season very strong.
Touch em all Joe...
by FisherCat on Nov 28, 2025 4:37 PM EST reply actions
I guess
I have never really cared for him personally. I know people love the athleticism and the room he has to grow as a player, but I thought the buzz he got in college was more due to his intriguing two-way nature than his talent specifically on the mound or in the field.
Still, I suppose he gets credit for a respectable end to the season (hesitant to speak too strongly in favor with 54 Ks in 81 innings), considering I thought he would have thought he would be spending the entire year in Peoria.
by mrkupe on Nov 28, 2025 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with your point to some extent
I think that this happens with all 2 way players. I always wonder if you have to give the guy credit for being athletic enough to play 2 positions or not good enough to excel at one.
Touch em all Joe...
by FisherCat on Nov 28, 2025 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
I think Raley is a little unique
Two-way players tend to show a little more talent one way or the other, especially after they’ve had college experience. Raley really didn’t do that, but as he’s left-handed, teams are going to naturally default to making him a pitcher.
by mrkupe on Nov 30, 2025 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
A lot of last year's top 10 had
years that could be considered stagnant or steps back (Vitters, almost all of the MI prospects, but other players took big steps forward (McNutt, Archer) to help the system out. Those prospects that graduated helped the big league club a lot (Castro, Colvin, Cashner and Coleman). I think that the system has lots of intriguing pitchers, but is short on elite position players, or even position players with power. I think that Tim Wilkien’s draft strategy of drafting up the middle players is showing dividends. I haven’t seen much about their international signings this year, I would be curious to see if the Rickett’s new emphasis on player development is bearing fruit in that arena.
by neifiisgreat on Nov 28, 2025 4:56 PM EST reply actions
sleepers/breakout possibilities for 2011
Nick Struck is fairly under the radar. Athletic kid, fb in the low 90’s right now and might add some more to it, solid breaking ball for his age, decent change. Very much in the Wilken-mode for pitchers. To me, he’s a solid Cubs top 30 prospect, but I’m not sure everyone feels that way about him. I think many forget that he actually got a higher bonus than McNutt (not that that means that much, as McNutt is clearly a better prospect right now).
Matt Cerda has a good approach at the plate. He can handle 2nd base. There should be a tad more power as he matures.
Austin Kirk could be primed for a breakout. Lefty with a fb in the low 90’s and solid secondary options.
Frank Batista is very undersized, but has good life on the fastball (tops out 92/93) with a solid slider. That said, from what I understand, change is a work in progress.
I really liked Wesley Darvill a couple years back and he’s being sent to the same strengthening program the Cubs put Guyer and Colvin on, so I’m very curious. That said, I’m not sure my expectations are high for 2011.
I mildly think Marquez Smith might be a tad underrated, but I have him as borderline top 30.
Cam Greathouse might rack up a bunch of K’s in the lower levels.
I mildly would put Jeffry Antigua and Su-min Jung as a bit underrated/sleepers.
Alberto Cabrera, IMO, is still quite underrated. I’d still have him ahead of Robinson Lopez on a top prospect list. Mid-90’s fastball,w ith a solid and improving slider. May end up in the pen, but this is a really intriguing arm who will be in AA next year.
Austin Reed showcased a nice 3-pitch arsenal and has projection to him.
Sort of wishing on a shining star type here, but Justin Bristow was flashing mid-90’s late 2009, and then was hurt in 2010. They used HIPAA to not release what it was, but I’m still hopeful.
More intrigue on the arm side, which is representative of the positional weakness in the low levels. Some international kids still hold intrigue, such as Pin-chieh Chen, but the low levels are fairly thin right now in terms of positional talent.
by toonsterwu on Nov 28, 2025 7:22 PM EST reply actions
Thanks
as always for the good material. Do you, or anyone else, have any detailed knowledge of the Colvin strength training plan that other prospects are now being put on? I would be very curious to see a detailed breakdown of the weight training/conditioning/other activities that go into this program. I wasn’t able to find an email address for the Cubs strength coach, or I would ask him myself.
by neifiisgreat on Nov 28, 2025 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
i haven't heard specifics
there were some articles on some exercises that buss had them do, i think, but nothing close to a detailed listing of their activities, to the best of my knowledge.
by toonsterwu on Nov 28, 2025 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
Robinson Chirinos
I know he’s a bit old and hasn’t yet reached AAA, but he just converted to catcher in the last 2 seasons and has showed solid power and patience at the plate since the transition. Reports are very good on his defense behind the plate.
by FTLOTC on Nov 28, 2025 8:09 PM EST reply actions
SS. Arismendy Alcantara - switch hitter w/ good speed and some pop. Had a solid season at 18 for SS-A Boise. Small 5’10 160 w/ quick wrists probably ticketed to be Peoria’s starting SS in ’11. I like him and think he has some sleeper potential.
RHP Su-Min Jung - I am higher on him then most. I think is a breakout candidate for the Cubs. Seemed to be turning a corner the 2nd half. I really like his stuff.
OF Kyung-Min Na - not gonna get any top 30 love after he really struggled in SS-A ball. Probably rushed considering that was his 1st taste of pro ball. Very similar in skill set to Lee and plays CF. I’ve heard major league claiber D w/ a great arm. Good bunter and draws walks. Will need to add power. I’d like to see him repeat SS-A.
RHP Ben Wells - Could be a real steal in the 8th. In a better scouted area may have been 2-3 pick. Reminds me a bit of Wade Davis.
Ha and Kirk were already pointed out above and I’m high on both.
http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-cubs-wrigley-bound/
by cubsfan1 on Nov 29, 2025 7:03 AM EST reply actions
I'll second some guys
Ben Wells - added velocity late in year and ended up getting a good bonus.
Jae-Hoon Ha - as stated earlier, only drawback was he didn’t walk much, but considering he was among the youngest players in the league, I am not worried about it yet.
Alberto Cabrera - improved his ERA in AA the final month after settling down. Great arm.
Jeff Antigua - again very young for midwest league and has good stuff from the LH side.
And one no one has mentioned:
Dallas Beeler - I took McNutt in my fantasy league last offseason due to some interesting info I found on him and that same source says Beeler could be McNutt 2.
by MaineChief on Nov 29, 2025 4:16 PM EST reply actions
re:
I don’t think people are legitimately expecting McNutt two from Beeler, but he could be a nice surprise. Let’s see if he can add some velo. If he can, and become more of a mid-90’s guy, then he is quite fascinating. I don’t think his breaking balls compare to McNutt’s curve, though, which is the big difference between the two at the same stage.
As a side note, I love Wells a lot. I put him in my top 10 for Cubs prospects due to upside.
by toonsterwu on Nov 29, 2025 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
I agree.
I like Beeler, Reed, and Wells’ potential.
by Ryno G on Nov 29, 2025 5:21 PM EST reply actions
I'll have more on this in a later discussion
However, my opinion on this system is pessimistic, albeit with some intrigue thrown into the mix. My primary problem comes from the perceived lack of spending in the 2010 Draft and in the international FA market. The depth of this system at lower levels leaves something to be desired. Still, there’s some talent in the system.
Still, there are some sleepers I like that haven’t been mentioned yet:
RHP Aaron Kurcz - Wouldn’t be surprised to see him fly through this system with his very good fastball/curve combo. His control leaves something to be desired, but he should be very nice in relief.
RHP Jin-Yeong Kim - Not much of a sleeper for anyone following this system, but he got a big bonus and apparently looked quite advanced in Instructs; he might even start in Peoria.
LHP Brooks Raley - John wrote something about him earlier in the season, but his second half was fantastic. I like the upside a lot.
RHP Brett Wallach - Overlooked piece of the Lilly deal. Like the upside and polish.
RHP Hayden Simpson - I know he’s quite well-known, but the guy is underrated to a staggering degree. I’d like to think he’ll live up to his first round selection.
SS Darwin Barney - Won’t be a world-beater, but I think he’ll be good enough to be a solid starter on a bad to mediocre team.
LHP Brent Ebinger - Toonster took Greathouse (a personal favorite), so I’ll go with his opposite LHP in Boise. Good Ks, good control, might be something worthwhile there.
2B Pierre LePage - High floor, low ceiling, could be quite productive in the minors and a useful bench guy in the majors.
C Micah Gibbs - If he drops the switch hitting, he’ll be fine.
by Outshined_One on Nov 29, 2025 8:08 PM EST reply actions
ha
didn’t we go the other way over at nsbb with me talking about ebinger and you taking greathouse. Either way, I do agree that Ebinger might be a tad overlooked. I could see him put up nice numbers in the low levels.
by toonsterwu on Nov 29, 2025 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
on a more serious note
I do agree that the depth in the lower levels, particularly amongst positional players, is quite distressing (I think we have fair enough depth/talent on the arm side from A+ and down). The number of AA/AAA assets that hold intrigue should give the Cubs a solid enough system ranking, but they really have to either hope a lot goes right in the lower levels, or have a bang-up draft in 2011 to fill in some gaps. At some point, Tim Wilken may need to bite the bullet and simply draft some corner guys because the system has a serious lack of corner power, and when a guy like Kyler Burke really struggles, the minimal margin for error in regards in respect to looking for guys to fill in the corner power roles is exacerbated.
by toonsterwu on Nov 29, 2025 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
No impact bats anywhere to be found
If there can be a found flaw in the Wilken era drafts and general ML philoes at this point its this:
The value athletes and tools far too much over production. Especially in hitters. Every infielder seems to be a SS. Every outfielder needs to be able to play CF.
What we are left with is good speed and some defensive versatility. What it doesn’t give you is ANYONE with top end power, and low OBP hackers all through this system.
These guys are who you want drafting your Track and Field team however. They do love guys that look good in a uniform.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
by aaronb on Dec 1, 2025 12:00 PM EST reply actions
Not necessarily true
Reggie Golden has top end power. Vitters has 25-30 HR pop in his bat. A bunch of other non-prospects like Rebel Ridling, Justin Bour, and another 1B/DH type (drafted from the Citadel, but his name escapes me right now) all have decent power, but not much else. Another name I’d like to throw out there to remember is Dong-Yub Kim. He supposedly has 30+ HR power, to go along with 30+ SB speed. Hopefully he is fully recovered in 2011 and has a banner year. I’m excited to see what the guy can do. If both he and Golden pan out, the OF of Golden/B-Jax/Kim would be absolutely amazing.
But I do agree that Wilken has put a terribly high priority on up-the-middle players. It’s makes it more likely that they can at least reach the bigs, but their ceilings are severely hampered.
by RynoRooter on Dec 1, 2025 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Vitters is really the only premium power prospect they have even attempted
And he has awful plate discipline. Golden is a HS CF type, and more inline with a Brett Jackson type of power guy. The rest of those guys were 4 year college guys who were picked late to be org filler types.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
by aaronb on Dec 1, 2025 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Disagree on Golden
Not sure where you are getting your information about Golden from, but his best tool is his power, both with the bat and with his outfield arm. I guess you are making the B-Jax comparison due to the fact that both of them need some work on making contact. But other than that, the comparisons stop. B-Jax is a much more well-rounded prospect, with solid tools across the board but nothing truly exceptional. Golden has plus raw power and a plus throwing arm in the OF, but his hit tool (i.e. ability to make contact), his plate discipline and his baserunning are all big question marks. He is athletic and has good speed, but he was very poor in the OF defensively in the AZL and Fall Instructs. If Golden makes consistent contact and improves his plate discipline, he is a bona fide superstar. However, he’s just as likely to never even reach AAA ball. Golden is exactly the type of boom/bust pick that Wilken needed to be making a little bit more of. He has succeeded in developing a solid farm system that should be able to provide at least bench players in the bigs. Now he needs to make a few more risky picks in the hope that one or two will reach their potential and be impact players for us.
But despite all of this, you will not hear any arguments from me that Wilken has drafted a little too “safe” in the early rounds. Of course, I’m not convinced that his hand wasn’t forced by the FO to keep the bonuses down, either.
by RynoRooter on Dec 1, 2025 3:00 PM EST reply actions

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