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Minor League Notes, October 8, 2010

I'm not in the right mental place today to write a big extensive thematic blog post, so I'll just throw some random thoughts together.

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**Some further thoughts on yesterday's young pitcher post. Community Member Slurve pointed out that points 2 and 3 seem to conflict, that according to point 2 each pitcher has to be treated as an individual, but according to point 3 I think pitchers need extensive time at each level. I can see the tension here, but point 3 does mention that there are exceptions. A particularly advanced prospect, someone who is almost a finished product, can be advanced more rapidly than the ideal timetable laid out in point 3.
     I certainly didn't mean that someone like Strasburg needed more minor league time. Even Zack Greinke was not truly rushed in my view; I saw one of his last starts at Omaha before he was promoted to the majors, and he was so far ahead of the hitters mentally that he had nothing more to learn in Triple-A. In my mind, point 3 is sort of the "ideal timetable," but each pitcher should still be evaluated on his own merits. The point is risk mitigation. Few pitchers suffer from too much minor league time, but many suffer from too little.

**On the same post, community member blackoutyears asked me what I thought about the Rangers and other teams who consider "stress innings" more important than pure pitch counts. I think we need to see how that works out in practice, but I do think the concept is theoretically sound, in the sense that not all innings, or all pitches, are equal in terms of the stress they put on the body.

**Looking over the Young Player Reviews for the playoff teams, I don't think I realized how stacked the Reds are in young talent until I actually sat down and wrote the piece.

**The Baseball America Eastern League prospect list....Very interesting, but I think I would have picked Eric Thames over Kirk Nieuwenhuis, and where is Zach Stewart? I'd take him over Romine at least.

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I always found it odd...

that a pitchers workload was tracked by innings and not pitches. An inning that takes 40 pitches is not the same as an inning that takes 5.

by polodude017 on Oct 8, 2025 1:43 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree

We now have teh tech and motive to chart pitches, though. just a matter of time for teh msm to pick up on it… or fangraphs

by JMonteroFanatico on Oct 8, 2025 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

fangraphs already does this to some extent

Under the More Batted Ball data, they chart Balls, Strikes and Total Pitches. I actually just looked it up because I saw a comment somewhere about Halladay’s workload affecting him next year. He led the majors in innings this year but he was actually just 10th in # of pitches. Just for comparison sake, he had 27 more IP than the #10 guy in IP. He’s just a lot more efficient than most in pitches/IP.

Someday I do think we’ll see places like fangraphs track “Stress Innings” like John mentions in the original post. It would be an interesting topic to explore if high stress innings lead to more injuries.

by joerote on Oct 8, 2025 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stress Innings

How would you quantify and track them if you were a stat service? I’m not sure the Rangers have defined them in objective terms; sounds more like Justice Potter’s definition of obscenity. I can’t tell you what a stress inning is, but I know one when I see it.

by blackoutyears on Oct 8, 2025 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reds

John, I felt the same way. I didn’t fully appreciate our depth, or the hand that many of those players have had in our success this season, until I saw it laid out in your piece.

by blackoutyears on Oct 8, 2025 5:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Reds

Yankee fan watching tbs… they are young, and I am pulling for them, to beat the phils, who only have a couple more years remaining for their core to cash in. Aroldis, Alonso, Votto, Cueto, Fransisco, stubbs, bruce. You guys will be good for a while although you can never predict pitching

by JMonteroFanatico on Oct 8, 2025 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

I have a lot of faith in the young pitching, but it’s foolish to bank it considering the incidence of injury. Sadly we showed our youth against PHI, but everyone I’ve talked to today is pretty upbeat.

I was hoping this would be the year the Twins would finally shatter whatever spell the Yankees cast over them every year, but it wasn’t meant to be. I felt from the beginning in 2009 that the Yanks were the team to beat, but I have to admit I didn’t think they had it in them this year. Clearly this is a team that just knows how to pace itself. lol

by blackoutyears on Oct 11, 2025 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eric Thames over Nieuwenhuis?

I think you take the fringy defensive CF over the fringy defensive LF. Maybe Thames has slightly more advanced plate discipline, but he’s also a year older.

by psiogen on Oct 8, 2025 6:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree with John...

I trust Thames’ bat and projection a lot more than Nieuwenhuis’.

Now writing for BaseballInstinct.com

by Franchise887 on Oct 9, 2025 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thames

Wasn’t he a league leader or in the top 5 of almost every offensive category? He definitely deserved to be included, so did Zach Stewart. It appears John is now a Jays fan, hells yes.

by daman316 on Oct 9, 2025 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

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