Where does Aroldis Chapman rank?
Kevin Goldstein said in a chat earlier this week that "the second [Aroldis Chapman] signs, he's a single digit on my Top 100 list." That seems a little aggressive. Where do you have him? What grade do you think Sickels will give him? I'll guess "A-" and have him #12 (out of my Top 100) right now, but I'm thinking about moving him up as high as #7. Tough call, I guess.
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Is where I would like to see him, he’s just as good as Matusz?
by 2883 on Jan 11, 2026 8:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
chapman looks like hes going to be number 23 on the communitty prospects list..
he would be 18 to 20 in mine
by matthewmafa on Jan 11, 2026 8:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't he have been higher on that list
if we knew Chapman was going to be pitching in the NL rather than in the AL East? I mean, I like Hellickson a lot, but would I take Chapman over Hellickson? Or over Friedrich (where he’ll likely pitch his home games)? Matusz is a tough one, given those bats in the AL East. I agree: I’d rather have Matusz. But over the other two?
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by exposrock! on Jan 11, 2026 8:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The division you play in does not affect your prospect status
This isn’t fantasy baseball…
by nivarsity on Jan 11, 2026 8:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
depends on if you're doing a fantasy-centered list of not
If you care at all about fantasy, then yeah, it would make a difference.
I assume all prospects play in a theoretically neutral environment, though.
by mrkupe on Jan 11, 2026 8:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the community list undervalues him a little
He’s played against high-level competition and clearly has elite stuff. Lefties who sit in the mid-90s aren’t a dime a dozen.
For me he’s in the 12-15 range, I think.
by nivarsity on Jan 11, 2026 8:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
+1
he’s 21 years old, same age as a college junior.
i can only imagine the buzz he would be generating if he were at Arizona St, LSU, Texas, or Stanford
by ScottAZ on Jan 12, 2026 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The walks would really hurt his overall profile, though.
The buzz would still be good no doubt, but nothing close to Strasburg.
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by Frederick0220 on Jan 12, 2026 10:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Top 10
Easily. Plus plus fastball, plus slider, can be taught a workable 3rd pitch (changeup).
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by Dewey Finn on Jan 11, 2026 8:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Plus slider?
Not sure about that, although it may flash plus at times. It supposedly still very inconsistent.
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by Frederick0220 on Jan 11, 2026 8:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this is what I've heard as well
I’m scared that, as he is now, he is a one pitch pitcher.
by Navi's_Navy on Jan 11, 2026 11:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you guys are crazy
did you ever watch WBC videos? The kid is a prodigy, he hasn’t ever had any good coaches yet!
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 11, 2026 11:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lets see his pitch selection once he comes here and his control
He’ll be in my top 50, but I prefer a good deal of guys over him.
by Navi's_Navy on Jan 11, 2026 11:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What makes you think Cuba has bad coaches?
by aCone419 on Jan 12, 2026 11:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
His other pitches all move like hell
He just doesnt have great control or command. That’s what we call “flashes plus.”
There’s not too many prospects who can combine that kind of stuff with 100 mph fastballs, know how to change speeds already and are lefthanded.
by alskor on Jan 11, 2026 11:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyway, Chapman would be somewhere around #20 for me.
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by Frederick0220 on Jan 11, 2026 8:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Chapmans stats in cuba
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=9382
Aroldis Chapman Born: 9/11/2025 Age: 21 Bats: L Throws: L Height: 6’3" Weight 185
Year Team Lge G GS IP H R ER HR BB K W L SV H/9 HR/9 BB/9 K/9 ERA PBRA
2006 Holguin CBA 15 15 54.0 48 33 26 5 54 56 3 5 0 8.0 0.8 9.0 9.3 4.52 5.19
2007 Holguin CBA 23 12 81.1 59 26 25 4 50 100 4 3 7 6.5 0.4 5.5 11.1 2.90 3.79
2008 Holguin CBA 16 16 74.0 55 36 32 3 37 79 6 7 0 6.7 0.4 4.5 9.6 3.49 3.05
2009 Holguin CBA 22 20 118.1 109 56 53 7 62 130 11 4 0 8.3 0.5 4.7 9.9 3.19 3.17
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Minors 66 63 327.2 271 151 136 19 203 365 24 19 7 7.4 0.5 5.6 10.0 3.74 3.81
by matthewmafa on Jan 11, 2026 8:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
25-30
BA addressed their concerns about his secondary stuff and control problems. Could be an ace, could wind up as a power lefty in the pen.
by MightyMoose on Jan 11, 2026 8:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I've been voting for him for awhile now
on our list. I’d have him in the 15-20 range.
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by t ball on Jan 11, 2026 8:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
How about this? [Pitchers only]
Strasburg, Matusz, Feliz, CHAPMAN, Perez, …. others ….
That would also put him above, in no particular order, Friedrich, Hellickson, MadBum, Moore, Majia, Lyles, Kelly, etc.
Yes, my consideration is “fantasy-centered.”
by exposrock! on Jan 11, 2026 8:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Chapman is #2 behind Strasburg in terms of just pitchers
Matusz has good, but not great, stuff. Feliz is a reliever, pass.
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by Dewey Finn on Jan 11, 2026 8:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Matusz does not have great stuff?
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by ravensfan3 on Jan 11, 2026 9:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nope
GOOD stuff. Chapman has GREAT stuff.
Sure Matusz is the safer bet to reach his ceiling of a #2 or #3 starter, but Chapman has the potential to be a clear cut #1 ace type.
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by Dewey Finn on Jan 11, 2026 9:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
203 walks in only 327 2/3 IP raises a serious red flag. That’s a walk rate of over 5 1/2 per 9IP.
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by WayneCampbell08 on Jan 11, 2026 9:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In Cuba, if hitters don’t swing then it’s a ball…
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by bwellnjonesco on Jan 12, 2026 8:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In Cuba, it's got to be a hell of a ball for players not to swing.
by PissedMick on Jan 12, 2026 12:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
u cant definitively say feliz is a reliever
unless uve acquired a sports almanac from the future, don’t make bullshit statements like that
by jarjets89 on Jan 12, 2026 12:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
KG loves international guys....
and I like waiting a year after they play pro ball to make any conclusions, so he sits around 30 for me, and yes, I realize I’m one of his most pessimistic supporters.
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by gore51 on Jan 11, 2026 9:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Chapman isn't an ordinary IFA
We have seen him against good competition. The 16 year olds who have very little game experience, that’s where I prefer caution.
by jar75 on Jan 11, 2026 9:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, to a certain extent
but I still have enormous amounts of caution with even the most experienced of international guys. Look how many there have been, and the high rate of them not doing what was expected when they came to the states.
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by gore51 on Jan 11, 2026 9:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Haven't most of the overhyped Cubans been hitters?
Contreras had a very nice career considering he came over at 32 (as did Orlando Hernandez who was also 32 when he came over). Livan Hernandez is another who has had a very good MLB career.
by jar75 on Jan 11, 2026 9:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What hitters have been overhyped?
I’m having trouble thinking of any really hyped Cuban hitters. Even the good young Cubans like Escobar and Morales, I wouldn’t consider them to have been all that hyped. Maybe I’m just having a brain fart.
by aCone419 on Jan 11, 2026 9:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Alexei Ramirez has been solid, but certainly not great and I don’t think much of Viciedo. I thought there were a couple of other hyped cuban hitters who didn’t live up to expectations, but I can’t think of any of the others at the moment. That’s why I framed it as a question because I wasn’t sure that was a valid statement.
by jar75 on Jan 11, 2026 9:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Viciedo
That’s a good one; definitely looks to have been overhyped.
Ramirez, however, got a relatively small amount of money and has easily been worth more than his contract.
by aCone419 on Jan 12, 2026 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably
I didn’t really think of it from just a Cuban perspective, I was grouping the rest of the world into a category. Contreras and the Hernandez’s had nice careers (maybe not the career some expected for Jose) but Chapman has got the potential to be either way better than these guys, or flameout (but so does every other prospect in baseball, except, of course, Josh Thole). Don’t get my wrong, I think Chapman is a hell of a prospect, but a B+ from me (I have him around 30 like I said above). He’s got the potential to be an A next year, or a C+ depending on how things go.
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by gore51 on Jan 11, 2026 9:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A-
Most likely an A-.
Reds are up after the Astros and Rays.
by John Sickels on Jan 11, 2026 9:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
A-
I’d give him an A-, and plug him in around 8-12. He has way too many walks to be any higher than that (not that being the 8th to 12th best player in the game NOT in the majors is anything to scoff at).
by rmarx on Jan 11, 2026 9:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I give him a B
To me, he’s a top 100 guy, but outside of the top 50. Too many issues (adjustment to the US, control, Dusty Baker) to really be elite at this point.
Then there’s the Cuban factor. Cuban players haven’t exactly been brilliant successes since defecting, with few (Kendry Morales, the Hernandez’s) exceptions.
Over the last 30 years, 197 baseball players have defected from Cuba (see cubanball.com for my source). To date, 1 has made an All-Star game. If you assume that Kendry Morales makes one someday, and I’m fine with that, then that makes 2 out of 197. If you really believe in Alexi Ramirez (and I certainly don’t), then you’ll get 3 out of 197, or 1.52%. Not exactly a great success rate. While it’s nice to think that you might get another Luis Tiant or Tony Perez, odds are very low.
That All-Star, by the way? Rolando Arrojo, who was the Rays representative in 1998, during his rookie year. He was their best player that year, and he had 1 more year in his career where his ERA was better than league average.
Aroldis has great stuff, but does anyone else remember Erick Threets, who sat in the mid to upper 90s and touched 102 MPH? Where’s he now?
by robertgold on Jan 11, 2026 9:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
So in other words.... they're due! :)
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by maxisagod on Jan 11, 2026 11:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you're crazy
Chapman is a legend in Cuba at 22
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 11, 2026 11:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah and viciedo
was the cuban babe ruth… how has that worked out so far
by matthewmafa on Jan 11, 2026 11:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
guy who cites statistics and precedent vs. guy who says "HE'S A LEGEND"
I think you’re losing the argument at the moment.
by mrkupe on Jan 12, 2026 6:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's not read too much into those statistics
Only 4% of Americans that are drafted make it to the Majors, what percentage of that make All-Star teams? About 10% make the All-star team at some point. That means that Cubans have a 1.52% success rate and Americans have a 0.4% success rate. Just some food for thought
by lions1 on Jan 13, 2026 1:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well that's wrong
To date, 1 has made an All-Star game […] That All-Star, by the way? Rolando Arrojo
Just off hand I can name 3 more: Livan Hernandez; Jose Contreras; Danys Baez.
If you assume that Kendry Morales makes one someday, and I’m fine with that, then that makes 2 out of 197. If you really believe in Alexi Ramirez (and I certainly don’t), then you’ll get 3 out of 197, or 1.52%. Not exactly a great success rate.
And Yunel Escobar, (and don’t forget the amazing Yuniesky Betancourt, lol) etc… And players who were successful without ever being All-Stars, like El Duque.
Anyway, you are making an exceedingly false assumption that all 197 of those guys were legitimate prospects. Most defectors are minor league fodder from day one. It makes absolutely no sense to compare Chapman to them.
There are reasons to be wary of Chapman, but your argument is akin to saying that we should downgrade Heyward because the vast majority of Georgians who get drafted don’t become stars.
by aCone419 on Jan 12, 2026 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right
The meme that “Cuban ballplayers don’t live up to expectations” has more to do with expectations being sky high than Cuban players not being good. Livan, Contreras, El Duque were all very solid MLB pitchers. If that’s what Chapman becomes, $30 million (what a solid, not spectacular pitcher like Randy Wolf just signed) becomes market rate.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jan 12, 2026 11:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by itch on Jan 12, 2026 3:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What makes Chapman so much better than the multitudes of low-minors flamethrowers that have no control and never turn the corner?
Is it that his stuff that much better so that he has top-10 pitcher upside?
Is it that he has shown some semblance of control in the past?
Can he command his secondary stuff decently?
Just curious, I only saw him pitch in the WBC and haven’t read too much about him…
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by lailaihei on Jan 11, 2026 11:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The main difference for me...
is that they’re going to start him in AA.
From what I’ve read, he’s got mid-90s heat, and a plus slider. Maybe the slider is inconsistent, maybe he has command issues, maybe his velocity is inconsistent, but in the end, the teams that saw him throw thought his velocity, command, and slider was good enough to start him in AA. Most college pitchers start their career in A+ ball to give some comparison.
So some say he’s raw, and maybe he is, but if he’s raw and scout still think he should start in AA says something.
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by beastball on Jan 12, 2026 4:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it does say something
It says that teams were willing to make a really dumb developmental move. His stuff is going to play at any level, but his control is pretty bad at the moment and that will hold him back from realizing his potential at any level.
It makes much more sense to start him in the FSL and then turn him loose once you get a better idea of just how refined he is. A guy might get a mulligan for his team’s stupidity, but I don’t get the argument that he should succeed because of that stupidity.
by mrkupe on Jan 12, 2026 6:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If it were just one team suggesting a AA start...
then I might chalk it up to one team’s stupidity, but I’ve seen this quote from multiple teams and multiple sources, BA even mentioned a possibility of breaking camp with the team.
But to each his own, I’ll assume that a majority of the teams evaluating him aren’t stupid, and that while BA might be stupid or not, their opinion syncs up with the teams’, so it adds to the information that indicates he’s more advanced than a typical draftee.
And really, that’s all we have to deal with, and so that’s all I have to use to evaluate him. There are always risks with all prospects, but from all indications, this guy is more advanced and has one of the highest ceilings of any pitching prospect.
And the more we have this debate, the more I’m convinced he should be in the top 15, and that he slid on our community list because he wasn’t signed.
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by beastball on Jan 12, 2026 8:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I meant...
more advanced than a typical draftee, which is how I’m trying to evaluate him. BA suggested he’d be a top 5 pick, so where would we slot a late signee who is a lefty with mid to high 90s stuff and reportedly a plus slider, who is advanced enough to start in AA? I’m almost with Havok saying that this profile sounds like a pitching prospect who would only be second to Strasburg. But I won’t go there with it, I think I’d still take Matusz and Feliz over him.
One other thing is that KG puts him in his top 10.
So all indications from KG to BA to team evaluations point to this guy being a top 15 to possibly a top 10 prospect. I’m not sure how we could slot him differently unless it’s just to buck the trend.
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by beastball on Jan 12, 2026 8:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
#2
Barely behind Strasburg. The kid is going to be GOOD!
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 11, 2026 11:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I personally...
now think he’s the 2nd best pitching prospect in baseball behind Strasburg. I’ll even go on to say this, if you we knew more about Chapman and you put Stasburg and Chapman’s skills right next to each other, and their reportedly pretty close, you pick the lefty over the righty any day of the weak. Now, I’m going with the more proven Strasburg but if all skills being equal, you take the south-paw with the 100mph stuff.
by Havok1517 on Jan 12, 2026 6:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ridiculous comment.
Chapman isn’t close to Strasburg.
All skills AREN’T “equal”. Strasburg has 2 if not 3 plus pitches with solid command. Compare that with Chapman who has 1 plus pitch, a second pitch that is plus when he can throw it properly, and spotty at best command.
If he was anywhere near Strasburg he would have gotten a lot more than $30 million. Strasburg on the open market nets at least $50 million IMO.
by metafour on Jan 12, 2026 9:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
#17
B+. Wanted to go A-. Think he will be pitching in the bigs next year. Start at AA, late season call up to AAA. Start at AAA next year, up around the all star break.
by LawBe on Jan 12, 2026 8:05 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
A couple things against Chapman right now
1) The triple digit stuff seems to be a little over the top so far. He may have had it in the WBC and he may regain it in the next season, but after his first big workout there were reports that he couldn’t top 92. After his most recent workout with all the big wigs he topped out at 97. Either he really lost a lot of conditioning or he is one of those pitchers who can toe the mound and you never know which pitcher is going to show up. Or maybe the triple digits were just a farce. Either way, that’s not a good thing going for Chapman.
2) I really worry about his control. According to Baseball America, in 328 IP, he has issued 203 BBs. (5.57 BB/9) That makes his K/BB 1.80. That’s not like Stephen Strasburg, that’s like Henry Rodriguez.
With these concerns, I cannot compare him to Strasburg, I cannot put him in the single digits and I have a hard time giving him an A-. At this point, I would personally be between a B+ and a B with him. I would say he’s a tools guy who needs to show me he can produce before he’s an A.
by nobodyinparticular on Jan 12, 2026 1:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
1. Nobody said he sat in the triple digits, but we do have proof (as the game was in an MLB stadium that had pitch f/x) that he touched 100. His fastball average during that outing was 94.6. His velocity is premier for a LHP.
2. Yeah the control is an issue, but the stuff is not. He’s a B+ and right around 20 on my list.
by jar75 on Jan 12, 2026 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have also heard
The strike zones in Cuban leagues is pretty small. Like they never have called strikes.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jan 12, 2026 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Had you ever heard that before Chapman and his walk rate came around?
by PissedMick on Jan 12, 2026 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds a lot like a recent Cy Young winner in college
Tim Lincecum walked 216 batters in 342 innings at Washington State. Sometimes all it takes is a little tweak here or there.
Not that we should expect it though. I feel a lot more comfortable thinking about Chapman like a Carlos Zambrano/Edinson Volquez type guy who has high walks, but great stuff with lots of strikeouts who gets by allowing plenty of walks.
by dougdirt on Jan 13, 2026 12:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How will he get right-handers out?
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