Anderson. Havent seen Cahill

Surprisingly little love for Mazzaro.

Over Cahill just because Anderson is a lefty. Mazzaro is clearly #3

so far josh outman had been the most impressive of the rookie pitchers. even andrew bailey as a rookie closer

bad luck- outman getting “elbow surgery” on tuesday. no confirmation if its tj surgery or not

outman changed to a more conventional delivery

his old delivery was to prevent it

http://outmangenealogy.org/docs/articles/joshoutman.html

Additionally, Outman’s mechanics cause less damage to the rotator cuff and elbow of the pitching arm.

“I have developed the best way to exploit the physics and physiology of pitching a baseball,” he claims, having coached and trained his two sons at home for nearly eight years.

The delivery, awkward in its appearance, begins with the pitcher raising his arm vertically with the ball, then bending it behind his head — seemingly touching his opposite shoulder. The pitcher then pivots his front foot, beginning his follow-through with a “walking step” forward. There is no leg kick as with conventional mechanics.

vs tigers…still high pitch count early on

yea, cahill and anderson were both “rushed” to the majors, they barely pitched in double a last year, i think its just taking them a long time to adjust.

I voted Cahill, huge talent, so much more than some here have given him credit for. He has wacky movement on his pitches at times. His two seamer is reminiscent of Lowe’s (starts at LHB hip and tails over the plate), and is big time out pitch. PitchFx doesn’t really capture him because they’ve confused his pitches so much (as noted in the Project Prospect article). At the top of his game, his ball moves as much as anyone’s. It’s not the sinker which makes him potentially special, it’s the way all of his pitches dance. We’ll see if he ends up consistent and whether he can add the breaking ball back in, but at the top end of his talent, I do think he’s at a higher level than BA or VM, and both those dudes have loads of ability.

I don’t think Mazzaro should be slept on though. I can see why those scouts Gammons talked to compared him to Chris Carpenter. It’s not just the numbers or the velocity with him. He comports himself like a number one. He’s a big strong kid and when he gets on the mound, he attacks from the first pitch to the last. There is nothing defensive, nothing scared coming from him. He’s just going to throw his best stuff, which he has a significant amount of, and he’ll deal with whatever the results are. He’s a fighter. There is very clear very abundant mental toughness there, and you can’t underestimate that when it’s coupled with big gifts.

Not slighting BA, he’s got a great chance to be the best of this group also.

Ftr, fully expect these fellows to struggle a ton as the season goes on. That’s what young pitchers do.

JMOs

Having watched a couple of Mazzaro´s starts on TV, I see no problem mentioning him in the same breath as the other two in terms of his raw stuff & upside. Had Mazzaro been a 1st round pick out of college in the June 2007 draft, signed too late to pitch and then dominate the Texas League in 2008, nobody would have any kind of problem with such a rating considering his performance and stuff. His minor league track record, stuff and (lack of) top notch prospect hype are quite similar to those of Brandon Webb by the way if you check out Webb´s history. Although that´s his ceiling and not the most likely outcome.

Cahill & Anderson are a bit younger than Mazzaro and had less of a problem in the lower minors. Their raw stuff is certainly on par or more versatile than Mazzaro´s. However, they seem a bit more inconsistent to me at this point in time - which shouldn´t be a surprise considering that Mazzaro has a lot more pro experience.

Overall, the two probably get the edge in terms of upside, though it´s quite high with all three. I just believe Mazzaro is the most likeliest to have a lasting quality major league career - maybe without the extreme upside of the other two.

Anyway, a nice problem for the A´s to have (who have little else to be happy about on that team right now).

lights out stuff and look at his numbers. he’s clearly better

a rotation spot is wide open

do A’s go back to eveland…blah
gio needs to translate his AAA success in mlb
lost season for gallagher out 4-6 weeks with a torn knee ligament
simmons has been better lately in AAA, but not overall.

the rest of the decent A’s sp prospects in AA banwart/fernandez. Other than that its mostly relievers Hrod/Demel/Carignan etc

not ready anytime soon, but De los Santos is throwing mid 90s in rehab at extended spring

are going to find out who is the best of the bunch here for a year or two…talent wise they are all close imo, hype wise they are not, obviously…It is going to amount to who can actually put it all together, which will take time…at this point i would gladly take any of them on my mets (maybe, just maybe, prefer anderson)…but if a guy like mazzaro turned out to be the best of the bunch i wouldnt be surprised either

 Its very possible he’s having a fluke 1st half that A’s have seen before like a gaudin, smith, eveland,dinardo, etc. But I definitely thougt he profiled preseason as a bullpen lefty at best, he’s proven many wrong thus far. Obviously he wont maintain a low 3’s era all yr, but his status from fringe 5th starter type seems to be upgraded to a good 4th starter. Soft tossing lefties have very little margin for error so it will be interesting to see how much he regresses the rest of the season.