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Dumbest Roster Construction and/or Player Development Moves

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Use this thread to discus Dumb Roster Construction and/or Player Development Moves of 2009. This does NOT mean second-guessing in-game managerial decisions from the first two games. It DOES mean things that drive you nuts from the perspective of roster construction and player development. . like putting Rick Porcello in the rotation, for example, which I regard as a  dumb move. But that's just one example. Come up with your own.

We will have a seperate thread for smart moves later. Then we will review them at the end of the year and see how our complaints or praise look in retrospect.

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putting Rick Porcello in the major league rotation

by Daniel Berlyn on Apr 8, 2025 6:29 PM EDT reply actions

In defense of the Tigers

It’s not like they’re eliminating Porcello’s inning count or anything- they’re breaking him in the same way they would have had he started in the minors.

And I don’t see what all the fuss is over them sticking Porcello into the majors now. I get that there’s risk involved, but Detroit seems to think they can contend this year, and if Porcello struggles while they’re trying to contend, he’ll get sent back down for more work. And do AA starts matter that much? Clayton Kershaw had 5 and still served as a reliable #3-#4 starter. Why are the only comps we’re using for Porcello Jeremy Bonderman or Edwin Jackson?

Besides, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him sent down when Bondo goes back to the rotation and Leyland/Dombrowski realize Nate Robertson isn’t a total bum.

by David Tokarz on Apr 8, 2025 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions

Agreed

I’m not saying that the people who feel this is an extreme rush are completely wrong, but it certainly isn’t the obvious mistake that many are making it to be necessarily either. Porcello isn’t Doc Gooden, but he isn’t Edwin Jackson either.

by slurve on Apr 8, 2025 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions

Other than Porcello...

KC acquiring Mike Jacobs.

That’s all I can think of right now lol.

"My mom always taught me it's better to laugh at yourself than to laugh at others. She was so wrong. ;)" -Pedrophile

by Boxkutter on Apr 8, 2025 6:31 PM EDT reply actions

I disagree

They picked up Juan Cruz didn’t they?
So they didn’t absolutely need Leo Nunez

Just Watch The Royals WILL surprise you

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Apr 8, 2025 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions

correction

They had Leo Nunez and Ramon Ramirez and didn’t need to change anything

by Daniel Berlyn on Apr 8, 2025 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions

Surprising in a bad division doesn't mean the moves were smart

Imagine what they could do with the better players out there.

by thejd44 on Apr 9, 2025 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions

The Reds taking Darnell McDonald north

30 year old rookie with a career MINOR LEAGUE OPS OF .725 makes the team in favor of Jonny Gomes who outhit him in the spring because he ‘can play center’ despite the fact that the Reds also employ Jay Bruce, Willy Taveras, Chris Dickerson and Jerry Hairston Jr…. who all played over 50 games in CF last year either in the Majors or in AAA except Hairston Jr who played 22 (and is starting in CF for the Reds tonight).

by dougdirt on Apr 8, 2025 6:46 PM EDT reply actions

Dusty Baker

Likes him a speedy leadoff hitter with no power, and absolutely no plate discipline.

My god I thought Walt Jocketty would reign in some of the ridiculous methods that Dusty Baker uses to manage. I guess not. I’m guessing Dusty will be asking Walt to trade Bruce and Votto for Ichiro by the trade deadline.

by CoolCat23 on Apr 8, 2025 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions

this.

I was dumbfounded

by daveh33 on Apr 9, 2025 2:56 AM EDT up reply actions

Wow

That’s terrible.

by Brendan Scolari on Apr 23, 2025 6:31 AM EDT up reply actions

Maybe I don't understand the thread but

I am not sure that the Porcello move into the rotation is the dumbest roster move the Tigers made this spring. Does dumping Sheffield and still paying him $14M when you have nothing to replace him count? Putting Dontrelle in the nearest therapy program or is that last years. Pick your roster move in their case! Looks like a dysfunctional organization with a plethora of choices.

by sdtribefan on Apr 8, 2025 6:48 PM EDT reply actions

Not that bringing Rasmus up was necessarily a "dumb" move

but if you keep him down for a month :

- You save a year of arbitration

- He’s a notoriously slow starter, so why not let him start slow in AAA

- Play someone in his place for a month which will (hopefully) increase their trade value when Rasmus does come up.

by thefordhamflash on Apr 8, 2025 6:53 PM EDT reply actions

Last year

the perception was that Rasmus would probably make the club. He instead got sent to the minors and proceeded to bomb due to by many accounts his mental state going into the crapper. I don’t think it would be a smart move to jack him around - if he’s close to ready, let him play.

by slurve on Apr 8, 2025 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions

I would take the long term and do it too

so I am NOT calling it “dumb”… but outside chance starting David Price in AAA costs the Rays the playoffs. Pretty sure the playoff revenue would make up the difference in money theyre saving by keeping him down. Theyll probably make it anyway.

by alskor on Apr 8, 2025 6:57 PM EDT reply actions

The Yankees playing Cody Ransom at 3B

while ARod is out. Might cost them the playoffs.

by alskor on Apr 8, 2025 6:57 PM EDT reply actions

What are they supposed to do?

"Their Triple-A rotation, led by Trevor Cahill and Brett Anderson, could be better than some big-league rotations; Michael Ynoa is the best Latin American prospect of the decade; 2008 draftees Jemile Weeks and Rashun Dixon bring much-needed tools to an advanced group of hitters." - BaseballProspectus.com

by Syphon on Apr 8, 2025 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions

+1

They cut payroll they could have picked someone up. I think if they had taken 1 million of Crosby’s salary they could have had him I would guess.

With out starting an S storm the ideal solution would have been getting Beltre from the Mariners and moving A-rod back to SS when he returns and dumping jeter in CF. Plus would have given them a PR reason to move jeter and he can look like a hero for “steping up for the team”.

Bottom Line AL EAST is too tough to play with Cody at 3B for 6 weeks. (2 games will be the diference between 2nd and third in that division.

by novaoakland on Apr 9, 2025 4:06 AM EDT up reply actions

Make a trade for a passable option.

Or at least find a replacement who’s at least replacement level. Ransom is pretty terrible.

I know if I spent 500 million on upgrades for my team I wouldnt draw the line at finding a decent fill in for a month. It doesnt make any sense. Especially not when youre expecting a super tight race.

by alskor on Apr 8, 2025 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions

Hell, it would be worth signing a guy for the whole season and cutting him when ARod returns

Spend a mil if you have to. If it turns out to be the difference between playoffs or not youre talking losing out on 10M minimum. Totally worth it.

by alskor on Apr 8, 2025 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions

Arod's due back end of april...

They have the pitching. Didnt need to make a move for a month rental. And they still have a good Offense.

"Their Triple-A rotation, led by Trevor Cahill and Brett Anderson, could be better than some big-league rotations; Michael Ynoa is the best Latin American prospect of the decade; 2008 draftees Jemile Weeks and Rashun Dixon bring much-needed tools to an advanced group of hitters." - BaseballProspectus.com

by Syphon on Apr 8, 2025 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions

I dont think the offense is all that good

Point is, if they miss the playoffs by a game, Im pointing the finger at a month of ABs they gave Cody Ransom.

by alskor on Apr 8, 2025 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions

Drew Henson!

Oh wait…

jeff: but i shudder to think of the bullpen analogy to sending the runner

by battlekow on Apr 8, 2025 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions

stupid

If you do the calculations, Ransom over ARod costs the Yanks about 1 win for the year. Making a trade or playing someone else MIGHT only cost 0.75 wins. Is it worth it? Probably not.

by sabernar on Apr 9, 2025 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions

The real problem...

is that even with a $200 million payroll, the Yankees are far worse equipped to handle an injury to a number of key positions than either of their chief divisional rivals, one of which operates with a 40 million dollar budget.

The yankees have good filler for first base and the outfield corners, but their center fielders suck, and they don’t have adequate replacements for Posada, Cano, Jeter (unless you think A-Rod can still play short, gimpy hip and all), and A-Rod. Tampa Bay, in contrast, can handle a season-ending injury to any position player but Dioner Navarro and replace him with at least a league average player.

Cashman should have found a way to use his $200 million budget to buy some insurance. The fact that they had to scramble around to replace A-Rod and Cody Ransom was the best they could come up with doesn’t bode well for their durability over a 162-game season.

by slamcactus on Apr 9, 2025 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions

assuming, as Ozzie says, that this is semi-permanent

and not one of the “yesterday’s managerial decisions” that you asked us not to list…

by alskor on Apr 8, 2025 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions

It might only last a few weeks or a month

But it was talked about for quite some time here in Chicago. It’s something of a “plan” to have those two guys 1-2, so I think it’s relevant to this topic.

by thejd44 on Apr 9, 2025 3:03 AM EDT up reply actions

was at the game tonight...

it was super-effective…(eyes rolling)

http://www.simdynasty.com/index.jsp?refer=mychiefs58

by huckleberry on Apr 9, 2025 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions

Putting Rasmus in a corner outfield spot fulltime

Apparently Rasmus will never play centerfield for the cardinals ever because they think Ankiel is a superior defender.

by Bravesin07 on Apr 8, 2025 7:02 PM EDT reply actions

Ankiel

I think Tony LaRussa feels like he owes Rick Ankiel something for basically ruining his career. He knows Rick Ankiels value is greater as a center fielder going into free agency than a right fielder.

Rasmus will be the starting center field, just not this year.

by CoolCat23 on Apr 8, 2025 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions

Huh?

I’d like to know how LaRussa “basically [ruined] his career.” Inexplicably losing all control of your pitches one day does not seem like a coaching issue. If anything, LaRussa and Co. were more than helpful, considering how supportive they were of his initial pitching comebacks and then conversion to the outfield.

by Shi on Apr 9, 2025 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions

Fan perspective

I really enjoy wathcing Ankiel in CF. No idea what the actual numbers say but that arm is so fun to watch. I think it was a Peter gamons colomun when he was asking scouts about the the best arms they saw in spring training. (refering to pitchers) and guess 2 guys said Anikel.

by novaoakland on Apr 9, 2025 4:08 AM EDT up reply actions

The Braves off-season

For everything they did to aquire starting pitching they did nothing to help their bullpen and it’s going to kill them. Also, Glavine over Hanson right now? What’s the point?

by Willigan on Apr 8, 2025 7:09 PM EDT reply actions

ummmmm

The bullpen was without Mike Gonzalez, Rafael Soriano, and Peter Moylan for most of last season, which forced Boyer to be severely overworked. Those additions should probably offset most of their woes (today being the exception). Also, I agree that bringing Glavine back was not a good idea but Hanson needs some AAA starts. The kid has never pitched an inning above AA.

by was385 on Apr 8, 2025 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions

Andrus

As RedSoxFaithful made a post about and I asked about in the all questions asked thread, Andrus starting the year in the majors seems like a major rush.

by mentalpowers on Apr 8, 2025 7:10 PM EDT reply actions

Truthfully

I see Andrus being rushed as not a major sin, seeing as how they probably figure he’ll never be an offensive threat and his defense is ML ready now.

by Daniel Berlyn on Apr 8, 2025 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions

Royals

Every move the royals made is absolutely baffling to me. Giving up 2 low cost, semi-talented relievers for veterans of questionable value to the club (wtf is the point of Mike Jacobs when they have Gload [snicker], Kila, and Shealy already?) confuses me greatly, but on top of that they banish Bannister and Hochevar to the minors and replace them with Sidney Ponson and Horacio Ramirez? WTF?!?

by AucklandGM on Apr 8, 2025 7:16 PM EDT reply actions

Someone needs to tell Dayton Moore

that Strasbourg is going in THIS YEAR’S draft, not next year.

by alskor on Apr 8, 2025 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions

+1

They might as well be starting Ronnie Belliard over Ryan Zimmerman for all the sense that move makes.

by PissedMick on Apr 8, 2025 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions

that Willingham + Olsen trade was dumb too

Willingham has nowhere to play, and Olsen isn’t filling me with confidence.

by DrEasy on Apr 9, 2025 2:54 AM EDT up reply actions

in their defence...

when they made that trade, Willingham would have been part of a four man group in the OF, providing some depth should someone get injured (such as Kearns last year) or head off into a slump. There was also talk of Willingham getting time at 1B should (when?) Nick Johnson got hurt…As for Olsen, every team needs more pitching.

This trade really became “dumb” when they went and signed Adam Dunn (mostly for PR reasons…“see, we’re doing something!!!”)

by Caernarvon on Apr 9, 2025 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions

Oakland bringing up Trevor Cahill and Brett Anderson.

"We were s--, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Apr 8, 2025 7:33 PM EDT reply actions

They were kinda forced to with injuries to the rotation.

I wouldnt be surprised to see them both back in AAA.

"Their Triple-A rotation, led by Trevor Cahill and Brett Anderson, could be better than some big-league rotations; Michael Ynoa is the best Latin American prospect of the decade; 2008 draftees Jemile Weeks and Rashun Dixon bring much-needed tools to an advanced group of hitters." - BaseballProspectus.com

by Syphon on Apr 8, 2025 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions

Or they could've just started Gallagher and E. Gonzalez...

"We were s--, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Apr 8, 2025 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions

You obviously didn't see Gallagher and EGon pitch this spring.

Cahill and Anderson were the better of the four.

Plus, I have this sneaking suspicion that Gallagher came to camp out of shape.

Sometimes life will strike you out on a curve ball and the only choice you have is to flip off the umpire and walk to first base anyway.

by Threepwood XX on Apr 8, 2025 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions

Yes I did.

And even if you put much basis into spring stats (which you shouldn’t) you’d know that Gallagher put up similiar stats to Cahill. Also, if he was “out of shape” according to your speculation, the A’s still put him on the team. So he’s out of shape enough to start but not enough for long relief?

E. Gon sucked but hey so did Cahill. Plus, you really have no proof that 2009 Cahill will be better than 2009 E. Gon.

"We were s--, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Apr 8, 2025 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions

Gallagher's FB had lost 3-4MPH

and he wasnt throwing strikes. He had a pretty bad illness that zapped him of his energy. E Gon was way worse than Cahill. Cahill had one bad outing…E Gon had many more.

"Their Triple-A rotation, led by Trevor Cahill and Brett Anderson, could be better than some big-league rotations; Michael Ynoa is the best Latin American prospect of the decade; 2008 draftees Jemile Weeks and Rashun Dixon bring much-needed tools to an advanced group of hitters." - BaseballProspectus.com

by Syphon on Apr 8, 2025 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions

Regardless,

just because Cahill pitched less poorly than Gallagher (which he didn’t) or the Gonzalez’s isn’t enough justification to bring a pitcher up to the big leagues who has pitched 37 innings above A-ball.

I really don’t see what was so wrong with starting Edgar Gonzalez to begin the year. Sure, he’s not an exciting option but he was marginally effective as a spot starter in Arizona, not to mention he was the benefactor of extremely bad luck last year.

by joeiz on Apr 8, 2025 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions

Cahill...

allowed 22 hits in 25 innings, while Gallagher allowed 29 hits in 19 innings. Cahill did pitch better.

Listen. I dont agree with Cahill or Anderson being up right now. But I see why Beane did it. Theres a good chance they both go to AAA when Gio Gonzalez/Duke/Gallagher are ready.

"Their Triple-A rotation, led by Trevor Cahill and Brett Anderson, could be better than some big-league rotations; Michael Ynoa is the best Latin American prospect of the decade; 2008 draftees Jemile Weeks and Rashun Dixon bring much-needed tools to an advanced group of hitters." - BaseballProspectus.com

by Syphon on Apr 8, 2025 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions

Then why the hell did he make it on the MLB roster??

So, according to you and the guy above, the guy basically lost his control, got sick, sucked, and he was still good enough for long relief but not good enough to be the fifth starter over a 21 year old extremely raw kid who really did nothing in spring training to deserve a roster spot (10BB/13K is not good)????

And again, yes, E Gon sucked but Cahill sucked too (and no, not just one outing). His lack of control is not only limited to yesterday’s start (he was very lucky he only gave up 3 runs yesterday), and he’s going to be shelled soon in the future unless he magically discovers how to throw strikes. I’d rather have E Gon suck in MLB than Cahill.

"We were s--, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Apr 8, 2025 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions

He made it cause hes better than the other options at the moment.

Beane didnt go out and bring all these vets in unless he wanted to try and win this year. Cahill/Anderson right now gives they a better chance.

"Their Triple-A rotation, led by Trevor Cahill and Brett Anderson, could be better than some big-league rotations; Michael Ynoa is the best Latin American prospect of the decade; 2008 draftees Jemile Weeks and Rashun Dixon bring much-needed tools to an advanced group of hitters." - BaseballProspectus.com

by Syphon on Apr 8, 2025 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions

The thing I don't understand

about bringing up Cahill/Anderson is that based on how many innings they pitched last season, neither will be exceeding around 160 IP in ‘09. Which would seem to imply that the A’s are either banking on them not being that good, or planning to shut them down sometime in August/September. That doesn’t really make much sense.

by Darryl P on Apr 8, 2025 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions

I really think they go back down once Duke/Gio/Gallagher

come back healthy.

"Their Triple-A rotation, led by Trevor Cahill and Brett Anderson, could be better than some big-league rotations; Michael Ynoa is the best Latin American prospect of the decade; 2008 draftees Jemile Weeks and Rashun Dixon bring much-needed tools to an advanced group of hitters." - BaseballProspectus.com

by Syphon on Apr 8, 2025 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions

I hope that's the case,

but I have a feeling that this will be determined by Cahill/Anderson pitching their way out of the rotation rather than Gallagher having good bullpen sessions or Gio striking out more AAA hitters.

And we aren’t even mentioning what the hell Outman’s doing in there.

by joeiz on Apr 8, 2025 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions

Yes, I agree.

If they are pitching poorly then you send them to Sacramento when the other guys are ready. But what if they are pitching well? Do you still send them down? You seem to suggest that Beane is using Cahill/Anderson as stopgaps. Why would you treat to of the organization’s most valuable prospects like that? Isn’t that what Jerome Williames and Edgar Gonzali are for?

by Darryl P on Apr 8, 2025 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions

It is strange but just think of it this way..

They get their Sept call up early. Im sure Beane has talked to them and told them what he had planned so they woldnt be surprised.

"Their Triple-A rotation, led by Trevor Cahill and Brett Anderson, could be better than some big-league rotations; Michael Ynoa is the best Latin American prospect of the decade; 2008 draftees Jemile Weeks and Rashun Dixon bring much-needed tools to an advanced group of hitters." - BaseballProspectus.com

by Syphon on Apr 8, 2025 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions

I guess I'm just not convinced that Cahill

will have a better April than Williams/Gonzalez/Gallagher would have had. Anderson most likely yes, but I would rather see one of the other dudes get bombed a few times in April than take the risk of screwing up Cahill’s development.

by Darryl P on Apr 8, 2025 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions

Agree.

No reason to take this risk when they have adequate stopgap options available.

by joeiz on Apr 8, 2025 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions

Well thats the thing...

Beane must have felt they didnt have adequate options.

"Their Triple-A rotation, led by Trevor Cahill and Brett Anderson, could be better than some big-league rotations; Michael Ynoa is the best Latin American prospect of the decade; 2008 draftees Jemile Weeks and Rashun Dixon bring much-needed tools to an advanced group of hitters." - BaseballProspectus.com

by Syphon on Apr 8, 2025 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions

"Cahill/Anderson right now gives they a better chance."

All the C/A supporters say that but my basic point is there is absolutely no proof that C/A would be better than Gonzalez or Gallagher, etc. Even if they are marginally better, that’s still no excuse to bring them up at the expense of the future cost control issues and such. They’d have to be a LOT better…and really, that’s very unlikely.

"We were s--, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Apr 8, 2025 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions

"All the C/A supporters say that but my basic point is there is absolutely no proof that C/A would be better than Gonzalez or Gallagher,"

And theres no proof they wouldnt.

"Their Triple-A rotation, led by Trevor Cahill and Brett Anderson, could be better than some big-league rotations; Michael Ynoa is the best Latin American prospect of the decade; 2008 draftees Jemile Weeks and Rashun Dixon bring much-needed tools to an advanced group of hitters." - BaseballProspectus.com

by Syphon on Apr 8, 2025 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions

Sure there is.

1) It is usually hard for minor league pitchers, even with good and long minor league track records, to transition to the majors and instantly succeed.

2) Pitchers with little AA experience and no AAA experience making the jump to the majors have it even harder than pitchers in point 1. Especially if they’re only 21.

3) Pitchers who clearly have control issues, who did not pitch well in spring training, who are only 21, who have little AA experience and virtually no AAA experience, have it even harder than pitchers in point 2.

4) Therefore, said pitcher in point 3 should not be making the jump to the majors and be expected to pitch any better than a MLB 5th starter. As such, if the team has other 5th starter options, the team should utilize those options instead of affecting the pitcher in point 3’s cost controlled years (and other less tangible things such as confidence, etc).

I’m not sure this is rocket science.

"We were s--, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Apr 8, 2025 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions

Apparently Beane disagreed.

"Their Triple-A rotation, led by Trevor Cahill and Brett Anderson, could be better than some big-league rotations; Michael Ynoa is the best Latin American prospect of the decade; 2008 draftees Jemile Weeks and Rashun Dixon bring much-needed tools to an advanced group of hitters." - BaseballProspectus.com

by Syphon on Apr 8, 2025 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions

Apparently..

And I’m of the opinion that that decision fits under the title of this thread.

"We were s--, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Apr 8, 2025 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions

I disagree with this totally.

They’re not replacement level pitchers right now. Well, I think Anderson could be, but Cahill belongs in Double A.

by thejd44 on Apr 9, 2025 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions

this.

if the rest of their competition wasn’t such injured crap Cahill and quite possibly Anderson as well would be beginning the season in Midland.

by Darryl P on Apr 9, 2025 7:09 AM EDT up reply actions

With out cahill and Anderson

They had no chance this year. Yes odds are they will fail as rookies but thier only hope to competing is them being the exceptional player who performs well right out of the blocks even while be rushed.

I could put much of Oaklands off season as ridiculous as think they would have been bettter off punting this season away and saving some money but once the investments were made.. might as well give it run.

by novaoakland on Apr 9, 2025 3:56 AM EDT up reply actions

The Giants R Dumb

Carrying 6 outfielders (5 of whom can play CF + Velez, who has no position) and only 1 catcher + Pablo Sandoval who is the backup catcher/starting third baseman.

Now, they probably can’t make a defensive substitution at 3rd base (Sandoval is very new to the position and isn’t that good there, so they’d probably want to). They also will be reluctant to pinch run for the slowest runner in the history of organized (and disorganized) baseball (Bengie Molina) for this reason. They won’t be able to make both of these moves in the same game. They say this roster construction will last until the end of April.

The decision is rather odd and there doesn’t seem to be much benefit to keeping both Velez (little hit, no defense speedster) and Andres Torres, the 31-year old journeyman CF, as the team’s 5th and 6th OF. Neither has much trade value and even less sitting on the team’s bench, will they will do a lot of in April.

Bonds stands alone.

Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal

by nostocksjustbonds on Apr 8, 2025 8:27 PM EDT reply actions

besides being dumb?

the word was that they were worried about Rowand’s defense and wanted another CF (Torres). The guy (undeservedly, imo) won a Gold Glove 2 years ago and he already needs a defensive replacement? that’s not good. But it isn’t as if Randy Winn or even Fred Lewis couldn’t play center if needed.

As far as I’m concerned, they really didn’t provide a good reason.

I forgot to mention that Torres is the emergency catcher, and why not? He caught in high school.

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by nostocksjustbonds on Apr 8, 2025 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions

Oh, since I know this will raise the ire of people.

I’m going off MGL’s UZR numbers for this. They’ve always loved Rowand (and watching him, they should have until last year, when he was injured for most of the season and playing through it).

by thejd44 on Apr 9, 2025 3:07 AM EDT up reply actions

Rowand WAS great

I saw him 3 times this spring and he has put on a ton of weight and looked very lethargic.

He very well may get in shape and return to form (as fundamentally he should still have it) but if that was Giants logic of carry the OF it makes a bit more sense.

by novaoakland on Apr 9, 2025 3:53 AM EDT up reply actions

Because...

They don’t have a backup catcher yet because in the month of April they have 4 off-days or something, so Bochy said they could afford to only carry 1 C and have an extra player on the 25-man. I’d imagine that by early/mid may Steve Holm will be called up.

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by gore51 on Apr 10, 2025 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions

SF Giants - keeping Winn and Molina, and adding Renteria

Without the hindsight of the Dodgers adding Manny, most Giants fans I talked to felt still that this year was the one to focus on playing the young guys almost exclusively.

That means playing Posey/Conor/(other fast-moving prospects) as soon as possible. Molina and Renteria will be gone after a while, but that’s still at least a year keeping them in the minors.

This could be a brilliant move if they challenge for the division this year, but their pitching can really only take them so far…

by unspider on Apr 8, 2025 8:29 PM EDT reply actions

Renteria is definitely being paid too much, but his contract was only for 2 years and he isn’t blocking anyone from getting playing time. The only other SS candidate in the org who’s ready is Burriss and he’s the starting 2b, so he’s not rotting away on the bench or in the minors, and his minor league track record, what there is of it, isn’t that impressive either.

Molina very well could be gone after this season as a free agent, if they don’t trade him before that. the Giants aren’t being dumb for keeping him. Posey can spend a year in the minors. I don’t think the Giants are in a rush to promote him before Bengie moves on. I could see the Giants “anointing” Posey the starter in 2010, but then pulling a Wieters and making him wait 2 months before calling him up. In that case, they probably won’t re-sign Bengie.

I don’t see the harm in letting 2008 draftees like Posey and Gillaspie play at least a year or so in the minors.

Bonds stands alone.

Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal

by nostocksjustbonds on Apr 8, 2025 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions

Agreed
I don’t see the harm in letting 2008 draftees like Posey and Gillaspie play at least a year or so in the minors.

In fact, it would be pretty crazy not too. The Giants offseason was perfectly fine, minus the roster construction to start the season.

When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips

Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at second.

by marcello on Apr 8, 2025 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions

exactly.

Bonds stands alone.

Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants

by nostocksjustbonds on Apr 8, 2025 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions

Agreed.

I’m not sure Renteria is above replacement at this point.

by thejd44 on Apr 9, 2025 3:07 AM EDT up reply actions

He is.

His WARs projected to a complete season the past few years:
1.5, 4.4, 3.6, 1.9, 1.9.

He’s an all-star at best and right around league average at worst. In the NL he should be league average easily, which should pretty much earn him his contract.

by slamcactus on Apr 9, 2025 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions

-1

The NL West is perpetually winnable, and the Giants only start the year about 2-3 games back from LA/Arizona. Keeping Winn and adding Renteria and Johnson were good moves. Winn’s a +3 WAR player, and Renteria’s still league average on a bad year with his defense, and seems to have a good season every other year.

It isn’t as if there’s a core of young kids being blocked. The system has talent, but very little of it is above High A. Schierholz is the only young kid who’s arguably major league ready and not getting regular time. He isn’t the kind of projectable talent that makes moving a superior player to get him in the lineup just for development’s sake a good idea.

The position players on this team aren’t great, but they’re better than a lot of people give them credit for, and they can all play defense. The rotation is excellent. In the NL West, that could easily spell deep playoff run with a little luck.

by slamcactus on Apr 9, 2025 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions

Phillies

Signing Raul Ibanez as well as giving a 2 year contract to a 73 year old pitcher in Jamie Moyer.

by SoCal760 on Apr 8, 2025 8:36 PM EDT reply actions

Heilman

The mets not making any effort to move him into the rotation. In addition to pushing almost every single prospect they’ve had.

by sagecoll on Apr 8, 2025 8:37 PM EDT reply actions

re: a few here

signing Kyle Farnsworth and Sidney Ponson…WHAT?
Has Professor Farnsworth done ANYTHING since being a Brave?

Why has Sidney Ponson gotten so many chances?-he’s not even an undead vampire lefty!

Why has Scott McClain and others like him never gotten a chance?

ok thats enough of a minor rant :).

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on Apr 8, 2025 9:09 PM EDT reply actions

Ibanez for Burrell

Target older version of same skill set, albeit slightly worse? Check.
Spend more money? Check.
Sign longer contract? Check.
Surrender first round draft pick for the privilege? Check.

This was mindblowingly retarded.

http://rswanzey.blogspot.com/2009/04/ibanez-for-burrell-upgrade.html

http://rswanzey.blogspot.com

by rswanzey on Apr 8, 2025 10:49 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Re: Ibanez

Don’t forget, they added another lefty hitter to any already lefty heavy lineup.

by DJSlam on Apr 8, 2025 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions

Don't forget....

They also failed to offer Burrell arbitration, forfeiting the draft pick they would have received when the Rays signed him.

So……

In total, they gave up 2 draft picks to sign an older player who is worse both offensively and defensively to a longer contract for more money per season.

Again:
Forfeited draft pick by not offering Burrell arbitration
Signed a player who’s Older
Worse Offensively
Worse Defensively
to a Longer Contract
costing them More Money per Season
and cost them another draft pick

I’m a Reds’ fan, so the Darnell McDonald/Johnny Gomes move referenced above caused me to throw things, and curse Dusty Baker’s name for the millionth time. But this was such a perfect storm of stupid from the Phillies’ end (and so easy to see coming at every step), that it may be the all-time winner. There is simply no justification for any portion of it.

"Karma - there it was. The meaning of life, straight from Carson Daly's lips to my morphine-laced ears." -Earl Hickey

by BLee2525 on Apr 11, 2025 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions

Ron Gardenhire's poor rosters

Playing Michael Cuddyer over Delmon Young.

Playing Nick Punto for any reason.

by BenB on Apr 8, 2025 11:07 PM EDT reply actions

Amen

He’s terrible. Imagine how much tighter the AL Central would be if there werent two manager who had absolutely no clue how to construct a friggin lineup? At least Carlos Gomez no longer bats leadoff. I dont know which would be worse… a 1-2 of Gomez and Casilla or a 1-2 of Wise and Getz. Ugh. I would ban these two managers from the game. If I was a fan of either team it would drive me nuts. I dont care what they do well - and they do have strengths - they are directly taking runs away from their teams with these idiotic lineups. Theyve shown a five year old’s understanding of how runs are scored in baseball. Lets take a 100 ABs away from Paul Konerko and Jason Kubel and give an extra hundred ABs to DeWayne Wise and Denard Span. Stupid.

by alskor on Apr 8, 2025 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions

It does

Drive you crazy. There isn’t a Twins fan out there who isn’t thankful they pulled Denard Span out of their hindquarters last year. It took Gomez sucking for 4 months and Span being awesome for the same length of time before Gardy finally got a clue and switched the lineup. But I yet hold out hope that upon Mauer’s return, he hits second. Sure do like watching the Sox do it though.

by JopeX37 on Apr 9, 2025 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions

The Nationals.

are not playing Elijah Dukes everyday. Nor are the DBacks with Justin Upton. Why two teams chooses to have at the young talent like this do anything other than play everyday is beyond me.

by JopeX37 on Apr 9, 2025 1:03 AM EDT reply actions

The Colorado Rockies

There aren’t a lot of strikingly dumb moves here, but I’m not sure I like the idea of using Dexter Fowler as the fourth outfielder. Why not let him play every day in AAA instead, especially considering he’s making the jump straight from AA? The Rockies have Matt Murton in AAA, who’s a capable fourth outfielder.

by Tom (RFTN) on Apr 9, 2025 1:05 AM EDT reply actions

royals dissapointed me

really wanted to see kila play in the majors

Happiness is only real when shared

by manny59 on Apr 9, 2025 2:56 AM EDT reply actions

Well

then you dodged a bullet you didnt see coming. He’s a mirage.

by alskor on Apr 9, 2025 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions

what is going on in Arizona?

I don’t get why Melvin benched Justin for game 1. [don’t care if he’s 1-9 against Cook. this is hardly an argument… Justin was a rookie last year… and, and its aaron cook]

and had him batting 8th the last 2 games…?!?!?

Has Justin at all indicated that he isn’t confident or isn’t ready to face MLB pitching? Has he had an argument with Melvin that I don’t know about?

I don’t understand and I don’t like it one bit. Bringing young guys along slowly is fine in some cases, but this is a kid that deserves to be in MLB, and is the franchise player. I really can’t comprehend this

by daveh33 on Apr 9, 2025 3:01 AM EDT reply actions

The Cubs had a bunch of interesting moves

I’m not going to call them dumb, and I rather like some of the mvoes … but a lot of interesting moves in terms of where players are starting the year.

Jay Jackson/Casey Coleman/Brandon Guyer at AA Tennessee.
Starlin Castro/James Leverton/Dan McDaniel/Ryan Searle at High A Daytona

Now this isn’t some system-wide aggressive thing, as Vitters/Flaherty/Carpenter/Shafer are all at Peoria, Marcos Mateo is at Daytona, Welington Castillo is at Tennessee.

by toonsterwu on Apr 9, 2025 3:37 AM EDT reply actions

CUBS!!!

I love it because I am a Reds fan, but……

Overpaying for Gregg was retarded. I bet he doesn’t stay the closer all year.

Having a roster full of bad contracts / injury risks, there are so many i will rank them.
1. Zambrano
2. Fukudome
3. Bradley
4. Harden
5. Soriano
6. D Lee

Smart money says 2 / 6 of those guys will not contribute this year. At least 4/6 will not be effective the entire length of the contract. This is just as the Reds begin to rise from teh ashes. I love it.

by Dave from Louisville on Apr 10, 2025 5:41 PM EDT reply actions

re

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on Apr 16, 2025 1:37 PM EDT reply actions

re: the astros

surrounding their team with nothing but old “veterans”, never giving their prospects a real chance. trading for Miguel Tejada, signing Ivan Rodriguez (what?~! is he any worse than JR Towles at this point?) Why are also-rans Darin Erstad and Jason Michaels on the same team? they’re backups, but they’re virtual black holes.

signing Mike Hampton, Russ Ortiz and giving them chances? Shows how thin their farm system is, or that they don’t take chances with any prospect they DO have…
you have to give the players credit for this team to actually compete every year after the All-Star break!

not that I am a fan….just don’t get some of their moves. For Astros fans, I hope they don’t resign Tejada, or I-Rod at the end of the year.

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on Apr 16, 2025 1:45 PM EDT reply actions

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