Shooting Up
Shooting Up
I get questions regarding my position on the whole steroid issue, the situation with A-Rod being the most recent flair-up. Like I said a few days ago, the whole issue makes me "sigh," but I want to explain a little more about how I feel about this. I expect my opinion will satisfy no one, but here goes.
I'm not indifferent to the issue. It certainly bothers me that A-Rod, Bonds, McGwire, and myriad others during the late 90s and early 2000s used steroids and PEDs. I don't want to make excuses for it. But some of the reactions, from fans and writers alike, strike me as a bit disingenuous. Some act like PED use is something uniquely bad in baseball history, perhaps equivalent to the Black Sox gambling scandal that almost destroyed the game.
I don't see it that way. I see PED use as similar to using amphetamines on the field for an extra edge, something which has been rampant forever. Using PEDs may be different in degree than popping speed, but I don't see it as different in kind. You're putting a foreign substance in your body to gain an edge on the field. Again, it doesn't make it right, but the whole thing is hardly surprising, and NOT out of context with other events in baseball history.
Whatever the public relations problems with it now, the fact remains that both the union and the owners knew what was going on at the time, and took forever to come up with adequate counter-measures against it. I've had baseball personnel describe to me (off the record obviously) an unspoken but prevalent "don't ask-don't tell" philosophy that permeated the game for several years in regards to PEDs. Many believe that the Steroid Offensive Era saved baseball by boosting attendance after the debacle of the '94 strike. You can bash A-Rod and others like him all you want, but MLB and the Union need to be included in any moral indictment.
Usage rates were obviously not 100%, but certainly a large number of players did use. If anyone needs to be praised, it shouldn't be the guys "confessing" or coming clean now, it must be the players who did not partake despite the pressure to do so. Those are actually the guys, the ones who didn't use, that I would like to know more about.
So, where do we go from here? There will no doubt be more mea culpas, more stern denunciations, more irate talk radio callers. But I return to the first point: right now, it just makes me sigh. This is not out of apathy (I do care) . . or rationalization (I think PED use is wrong and should not be tolerated) . .but more out of a sense of resignation. It happened, we can't change it, and it was a systemic problem. There are so many guilty parties and accessories to the fact, that unless you are willing to tear up ten years of records, there is no real "remedy" for it. I would rather get the facts out, praise those who did not use, and do what we can to prevent similar problems in the future. I don't see the point of vitriolic hunts.
I might have felt more passionately when I was younger. But at age 41, I just see so many other things worth getting upset over than this right now. I really can't believe that a reporter asked President Obama about this issue in a press conference earlier this week. We have an economic collapse and severe foreign policy problems in progress, and someone asks him about steroids? I think Obama and Congress have more important things to deal with than steroids in baseball. Perhaps the steroid issue is a necessary distraction, something for people to be upset over that doesn't have genuinely painful repercussions.
In any event, pitchers and catchers report this weekend, and I would much rather focus on THAT than PEDs. This is the last I will say on the topic. Spring is coming, and I would rather focus less on past problems and more on the joy of the game. There is enough pain to go around right now. Let's have some fun instead.
0 recs |
44 comments
|
Comments
My thoughts
I still can’t get over the fact that Congress wasted my tax money with the whole issue.
by abebopmana on Feb 12, 2026 10:28 PM EST reply actions
Agree
but if anything should make you sigh in resignation, it’s this. Tax money is wasted on just about everything; just take a look at some of the proposed expenditures in the “stimulus” that’s about to pass. Any dollar spent by Congress on investigating MLB is a wasted one, but it’s basically nothing compared to the other crap Congress spends on. It’s Monopoly money to them.
/rant over
by jasondg on Feb 13, 2026 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
I totally disagree
For one thing, look at some of the things Congress wastes time on. You’ll be surprised to learn that this is nowhere near the top of the biggest wastes.
In addition to that, I think there’s a greater good component here. I think PED awareness is important for younger people. I don’t really care to drag anybody’s name through the mud, but if it keeps people clean then it’s worth it. Maybe it’s just another branch of the failed/failing war on drugs, but this seems to be one area where the good guys could actually maybe win a little bit.
by thejd44 on Feb 13, 2026 2:26 AM EST up reply actions
Well...
It’s important for young kids to understand that steroids makes very little sense for them to use.
However, it’s completely different to demonize anabolic steroids as if they kill everybody that uses them. What the government is doing now essentially amounts to a propaganda campaign. Lies to meet a desired end may work in the short-term, but eventually the truth comes out, and it just makes people more cynical.
by kensai on Feb 13, 2026 2:49 AM EST up reply actions
I’d rather have Congress spend all the time they want on PEDs in baseball rather than what they’ve actually been doing, which is burdening generation after generation with incomprehensible debt.
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Feb 13, 2026 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Obama
Yeah, I thought I was the only one who was surprised by that question about A-Rod. Obama didn’t seem surprised at all.
by ozzman99 on Feb 12, 2026 11:12 PM EST reply actions
We're just not used to a leader with cogent thoughts about things
I’m sure he felt the question was silly, even if he was able to come up with an answer on the spot.
by thejd44 on Feb 13, 2026 2:27 AM EST up reply actions
that’s because the questions were submitted in advance.
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Feb 13, 2026 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
He’s a baseball fan, he was probably just glad somebody tossed him a softball question, given all the problems he’s inherited.
by Cormican on Feb 20, 2026 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
100 years of records have already been torn up
Noody needs to be willing to tear up 10.
by Con on Feb 12, 2026 11:33 PM EST reply actions
Most everyone is guilty
The players who used, the owners who ignored it, Donald Fehr, Bud Selig, and many others.
The players who didn’t use, but also didn’t say a word, or do anything.
The fans who “knowingly” supported these players, or continue to support them.
The writers who spent a lot of time writing about the great HR hitters and pitchers of our time.
Anyone of the above who now condemns these same players is a hypocrite, plain and simple.
You can’t have it both ways.
Furthermore, if you want to give one player a free pass, they all get one.
I think its wrong to single out certain players, while not giving a damn about others.
The biggest hypocrites in this whole mess is Bud Selig, Donald Fehr, and those high and mighty Hall of Fame writers who have done no wrong in their lifetimes.
I too, would like to move on, and I’m looking forward to the start of Spring Training, the WBC, and the regular season so we can once again attempt to put this behind us, although it won’t seemingly go away for a long time.
Everett, Laird, Treanor, and E. Jackson. Print those WS tix now!
by sportznut3081 on Feb 12, 2026 11:50 PM EST reply actions
I like all this
Except the part about the WBC. For all of the things Bud Selig has done, the WBC has got to be the most asinine thing ever. It might be the dumbest event in the history of modern sports.
But that’s neither here nor there. The only player I recall speaking out about steroids in the 90s was Frank Thomas. And maybe Curt Schilling. Even other guys who probably were clean didn’t say anything, so they contributed to the problem. Maybe they shouldn’t have come out in the open, but why not drop a line to a reporter? Why not keep your name out of it? This news could’ve been broken long before it actually was.
Of course, the writers may not have wanted that news to come out.
by thejd44 on Feb 13, 2026 2:29 AM EST up reply actions
why?
I really enjoyed the WBC last time around. Hell, Chipper Jones said it was one of the best expierences of his baseball career. The world cup is a giant success in soccer. I don’t understand why its such a bad idea in baseball.
thoughts?
I agree - Noonan is as valuable as a dead horse… and he too should be beaten by some dude in a top hat who looks like he’s holding his junk.
by cool hand Charlie on Feb 13, 2026 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
Except those that haven't been proven guilty.
I don’t agree with your argument blaming the fans.
Most everyone is guilty: …the fans who "knowingly" supported these players, or continue to support them
That’s a very small number of players, presuming innocent until proven guilty.
Also, it doesn’t jive with this:
Furthermore, if you want to give one player a free pass, they all get one.
How can you blame fans for supporting innocent players? They are innocent until proven guilty, right? You can’t blame a fan for supporting a player who hasn’t been proven guilty, can you?
by slacker george on Feb 13, 2026 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
I never said
a word about implicating the innocent players.
My statement was about every player that is guilty.
The problem is only certain players get singled out, while other guilty players have gotten a “free pass” sorta speak from the media (mainly).
Everett, Laird, Treanor, and E. Jackson. Print those WS tix now!
by sportznut3081 on Feb 14, 2026 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
What are we talking about?
Which fans are you talking about? Onto whatever group you are casting blame, I think that is a fairly small (tiny?) fraction of the fan population.
1 Players that have used but not caught
1a Players that are rumored to use, and fan has 100% certainty player has used
1b Players that are rumored to use, and fan has <100% certainty player has used
1c Players that have not been rumored to use
2 Players that have been caught
2a Players that have been caught, but have yet to serve their penalty
2b Players that have been caught, are serving their suspension
2c Players that have been caught, have finished serving their penalty and are back in the game
3 Players that have not used
Group 1a - I can see assigning blame, but really, how many fans can you put into that group?
Group 1b - I can’t see blaming , because I believe in innocent until proven guilty.
Group 1c - speaks for itself.
Group 2a - Tiny %
Group 2b - Yes, let’s blame them for supporting the guilty. Should we blame those fans for supporting the player after servining their suspension?
Group 2c - Do you believe in 2nd chances?
In all, I don’t see much logic in blaming fans, because they had no idea that any of this was going on, on an individual basis.
If you blame fans for spending money on a sport that a % of participants cheated, then you are broad brushing.
Do I need to spell out to players what illegal, immoral, unethical things I don’t expect them to do in exchange for my loyalty?
by slacker george on Feb 14, 2026 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
The fans are not guilty
They didn’t make anyone take steroids.
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 13, 2026 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
In my mind they are
If they were a fan of a player, it came out that he used, and they still didn’t care if he used or not.
There are a lot of people that ultimately don’t care if players juice or don’t juice.
In fact, some people actually would encourage it if it somehow improved their entertainment experience in all of sports.
Everett, Laird, Treanor, and E. Jackson. Print those WS tix now!
by sportznut3081 on Feb 14, 2026 12:51 AM EST up reply actions
I realize that
I don’t really care too much myself. Does that make me responsible for steroid use? No, sorry.
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 14, 2026 1:11 AM EST up reply actions
yes and no
Bond’s fans are most definitely guilty. I’ve never seen a bigger collection of denial and irrational thinking. That hasn’t held true for every player… Sosa is a POS to many if not most Cub fans, Big Mac has a hard time finding a lot of support, as do many others.
by slurve on Feb 14, 2026 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
I still don't see how that makes the fans guilty
Just because they rooted for a player that used.
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 15, 2026 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Bond's fans
the original comment was “The fans who "knowingly" supported these players, or continue to support them.”
Bond’s fans have continued to defend the guy, even after it became quite obvious he was chemically enhanced. First they denied that Barry would ever juice. Then it became, “show me one positive test”… Now that that test has surfaced, they STILL defend him.
by slurve on Feb 16, 2026 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
I'm with you 100%
You just pretty much summed up my thoughts on the issue, just more eloquently than I could have.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Feb 13, 2026 12:20 AM EST reply actions
It's sure important to me........
……while it’s questioniable that Congress had to get involved a few years ago, where would we be today, if they had not? Cheaters would be in the Hall of Fame already, I can guarantee you that. Pariah like Barry Bonds would be held in much higher esteem. Etc, etc, etc
If you haven’t read Ball Four, by Jim Bouton, you may not understand the use of drugs by ballplayers in the past. I full know what John is writing about. But, I still don’t equate those to PEDs. Those pills kept the players going sometimes, but they don’t make you bigger and stronger or able to bounce back from injuries faster.
The records in baseball are far too important to ignore these cheaters breaking them.
And if anyone thinks the game is clean, you are kidding yourself. It needs blood tests for HGH, etc, ASAP. These players have proven they will do it, and they can afford this stuff. So, what makes you think they are not using the products that tests cannot find?
by billybgame on Feb 13, 2026 1:34 AM EST reply actions
What makes you think players in the 60s and 70s didn't use steroids?
Steroids have been a part of sports for almost 70 years in synthetic form, even longer in “natural” forms. At least one guy (House) has said many were experimenting with drugs in that era, and it’s not all that unbelievable considering that…well…it WAS the 60s and 70s.
Everybody is under the same umbrella of disbelief, IMO, and to only put players in the 90s under the steroid era is unfair. Just because they only started testing in the 2000s, and only made steroids illegal in the past 2 decades, doesn’t excuse everybody from suspicion. Though people seem to think so, for whatever reason.
Sports have never been “clean” or “pure”, I think we just desire that image to make us feel better about it or something.
by kensai on Feb 13, 2026 2:53 AM EST up reply actions
Its well known
that the Steelers teams of the 70’s had steroid users on it. So yeah, your claim that steroids were in pro sports in the 70’s at a high level is 100 valiid.
I agree - Noonan is as valuable as a dead horse… and he too should be beaten by some dude in a top hat who looks like he’s holding his junk.
by cool hand Charlie on Feb 13, 2026 9:05 AM EST up reply actions
Amen to that
We are naive if we think some players of the 60’s & 70’s didn’t try gaining an edge using steroids. Steroids have been around an awful long time and I’m sure some players in the 60’s, 70’s, & 80’s dabbled in it.
by RogoRooter on Feb 13, 2026 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
In my opinion
It just makes Frank Thomas come across as more of a class act on the field seeing how his career is just about done. Since he has always been out spoken on this issue and willingly cooperated in the mitchell report.
Joe Posnanski recently wrote a great column on him. Now that the juiced era has come and hopefully gone. Ideally his numbers wont continue to go under appreciated.
by beautox on Feb 13, 2026 2:09 AM EST reply actions
FWIW
I don’t think the juiced era has come and gone just yet.
On 1310 The Ticket (Dallas sports radio) former MLB pitcher Mike Bascik (last pitched in 2007) said he thought 30-40% of current players are on HGH since there is no test. He said it is so widespread that nothing short of mandated testing for each player would stop it.
Then, there is this article by Will Carroll at BP that is rather sickening. It’s not going away anytime soon.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 13, 2026 8:27 AM EST up reply actions
Mitchell
As soon as I read in the Mitchell Report that amphetamines were out of scope, my belief that it would do any good died. That was the one thing that clearly showed guilty knowledge by management, and would have had to address the hush-up.
I don’t buy Mitchell’s claim that there wasn’t time - the report itself consisted of medical information that’s available through google, and a summary of three government investigations that fell into his lap. So what exactly was his staff busy doing for a year?
I wonder too why not one print reporter wondered about those jars of greenies in the middle of the room, unless they feared some consequence of any investigative writing.
That the anonymous testing was clearly not anonymous adds fuel.
A dredging up of the past, as Bud hints, will be incomplete unless MLB’s complicity is investigated as well. I don’t think it’s just to blame any one player until that’s done.
by Jaywin jake on Feb 13, 2026 10:14 AM EST reply actions
Whoa.
I’m not indifferent to the issue.
John comes out guns blazing.
Two things I’m sick of reading about PEDs:
1. Buh-buh-buh-but it was allowed! Owners and management!
2. It’s like amphetemines, same thing.
Even if those things are true.
Because they’re beside the point.
At least Law’s chat yesterday suggested PEDs have no effect but placebo. Whether that’s true or documentable, at least it’s on-topic.
Everyone else’s response to PEDs is to not talk about PEDs (eg, 1, 2 above). Maybe Law’s the guy who took Comp and Rhet 101.
Looking forward to actual PEDs content, like whether they’re eliminable, or have effects more potent than kombucha tea.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Feb 13, 2026 10:55 AM EST reply actions
This gets my vote
for most unintelligible post of the day… WTF?
by slurve on Feb 13, 2026 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
10 years is really conservative.
If Canseco is correct, it started mid to late 80’s.
Fairley odd parent to Wendell
by WTF on Feb 13, 2026 12:18 PM EST reply actions
and as someone stated above, there is proof of use in the 70’s.
Fairley odd parent to Wendell
by WTF on Feb 13, 2026 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
records
if we’re gonna wipe out records going back 10 years or whatever, then we have to wipe out the championships, too as every single team probably had a handful of users.
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Feb 13, 2026 12:33 PM EST reply actions
Weak
The stats for records are compared against everyone / all-time. Not close to the same as one team with a handful of juicers beating another team with a handful of juicers.
by slurve on Feb 13, 2026 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Why would we have to?
And what records have been wiped out?
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 13, 2026 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
I don't have a problem with the reaction
Steroids and other PEDs were banned from baseball a long time ago being recognized as being a controlled substance. Fay Vincent sent a memo reminding teams and players of this very fact. The problem was that there was no testing, hence players could use them without much fear of getting caught. So they did clearly break the rules of the game. I certainly understand why they did it, but that does not really excuse it in any way. My main problem was that the more players who took this stuff encourage more players to start taking it.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Farnsworth: Start the ship, Leela. Let's just steal the damn radar dish and get back to our own time.
Fry: But- But won't that change history?
Farnsworth: Oh, a lesson in not changing history from Mr. I'm-My-Own-Grandpa! Let's get the hell out of here already! Screw history!
Farnsworth: You mustn't interfere with the past! Don't do anything that affects anything. Unless it turns out you were supposed to do it. In which case, for the love of God don't not do it!
Fry: Got it.
Farnsworth: If for example you were to kill your grandfather, you'd cease to exist.
Fry: (gasps) But existing is basically all I do.
by parrot11 on Feb 13, 2026 2:01 PM EST reply actions
Moving on
From the PED issue.
I agree - lets hope that it’s a level playing field again and “play ball”
Visit my D2 Baseball Blog - Northern Sun Baseball
by FishingMN on Feb 13, 2026 2:08 PM EST reply actions
I wish the media would let us
What pisses me off the most is the fact that the media keeps playing up the steroid issue like it just happened yesterday. Baseball had a steroid problem, we know it was rampant, and baseball took steps to take care of it. MLB instituted a testing policy, commissioned an investigation, and has penalized those who have been caught using PEDs.
What more does the media want?!? How many times does MLB have to say “sorry” before the media will let the issue go? Every time a player is caught, the talking heads on ESPN radio and elsewhere act like baseball still has a steroid problem and that Bud Selig is unwilling to do anything about it.
Honestly, I don’t think the media will shut up about the issue until every player who ever used PEDs is caught. The media is stoking the fires, and to be frank, I think they are loving it.
by Squire_Boone on Feb 13, 2026 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
and so am I
Catch them all….purge all the records.
by billybgame on Feb 21, 2026 2:26 PM EST up reply actions

by John Sickels on 









