The Pinstripes Top 50 Pitching Prospects
Please find an updated and expanded list below of my top 50 starting pitching prospects. I have listed the highest minor league level achieved and the stats I compiled are cumulative. Also note, the age listed reflects how old the player was as of the last day of the season.
My rankings are based on several criteria. (no particular order)
1. Statistical Analysis
2. Ceiling/Upside
3. Gut feeling/Instincts
4. Health
5. Personal Bias/Cool Name etc..
This list took me almost 2 weeks to complete and I'm extremely interested to see what the community thinks. Also, Scott Elbert did not make the list because it is my feeling he will not be used as a starter due to command and injury history. That sentiment is also shared by some at BA, BP and amongst other sources.
statistical legend = INN / HA / BBI / K / ERA / WHIP / GOAO / BAA
Titanium : #'s 1 - 10
1. David Price (L) - AAA(TB) 23 - 109.2 / 92 / 32 / 109 / 2.30 / 1.14 / 1.45 / .228
Tore up the minor leagues and has shown why he's been so highly touted since joining the bigs in an albeit brief pressure packed stint with the Rays. David works off a mid 90's fastball, a devastating slider and a changeup that, right now, is about average at best. However, if there were such a thing as a can't miss prospect it would be him.
2. Trevor Cahill (R) - AA(OAK) 20 - 124.1 / 76 / 50 / 136 / 2.61 / 1.02 / 2.43 / .179
Trevor had a phenomenal season while making the jump from A+ to AA as well as the Olympics without skipping a beat. Trevor's arsenal includes a mid 90's fastball, curveball, slider, all of which are plus, and a developing change. Oakland has a very nice stable of pitching prospects highlighted by this young man. I would have to say the future looks very bright in Northern California!
3. Neftali Feliz (R) - AA(TEX) 20 - 127.1 / 89 / 51 / 153 / 2.69 / 1.10 / 1.19 / .201
To say that Neftali rocketed up the prospect rankings would be an understatement as his high 90's moving fastball just explodes on hitters. He also uses a hard curveball that is considered plus albeit inconsistent at times along with a changeup that he must continue to develop. With improved secondary offerings & command he could easily become a dominant starter which is something that Texas hasn't had in a long, long time.
4. Madison Bumgarner (L) - A(SF) 19 - 141.2 / 111 / 21 / 164 / 1.46 / 0.94 / 0.86 / .216
Madbum's arsenal includes a mid 90's fastball, curveball & changeup both of which are improving steadily. Bumgarner also gets high praise for having exceptional demeanor and mound presence. What amazes me is the command he has for a lefty at such a young age. If his secondary offerings continue to improve which many scouts feel will happen Madbum could easily be the best pitching prospect in baseball next year.
5. Rick Porcello (R) - A+(DET) 19 - 125 / 116 / 33 / 72 / 2.66 / 1.19 / 2.48 / .244
The source of many heated debates on this site. Many question his strikeout totals and point to that as a warning sign. An indicator, if you will, that he really hasn't shown all that much to be given this type of ranking. I, on the other hand, think his season was nothing short of stellar. The fact that he was able to get hitters out without using his complete arsenal was very impressive. One has to love his groundball rates as well. I am firmly in the camp that believes the best is yet to come. Watch out!
6. Derek Holland (L) - AA(TEX) 21 - 150.2 / 111 / 40 / 157 / 2.27 / 1.01 / 1.20 / .209
Well, Dewey Finn should be "reasonably" happy with this ranking. Derek was another Texas pitcher who burst on the scene in 08'. A hard throwing lefty who's fastball has been clocked in the mid 90's with advanced secondary offerings that got better & better as the year went on has to make the Rangers brass extremely excited about the future of this team. Feliz & Holland could be anchoring this rotation for years to come.
7. Brett Anderson (L) - AA(OAK) 20 - 105 / 95 / 27 / 118 / 3.69 / 1.16 / 1.92 / .237
A quote from my distinguished colleague PaulThomas says it best. "If you didn’t know, he has apparently put himself in much, much better physical condition than when he was drafted (dropping 15 pounds of pudge or so), with the result that his fastball now has plus velocity for a lefty. (Also faster than Cahill, who’s 89-91 most of the time.) Couple that with what are, by all reports, two great offspeed pitches and plus command, and groundball tendencies on top of that (not ridiculous like Cahill’s, but pretty strong). He’s smart and the son of a coach, so he knows how to pitch."
8. Chris Tillman (R) - AA(BAL) 20 - 135.2 / 115 / 65 / 154 / 3.18 / 1.33 / 0.82 / .227
Chris had a terrific season in AA showing the potential to become a #1 type starter. Chris features a low to mid 90's fastball, an above average curveball along with a developing albeit promising change piece. As is the case with other pitchers on this list he really needs to bare down on his walk rate. At 20 years old he certainly has time on his side and could with continued improvement push for a rotation spot sometime in 09'. Does anyone think the Mariners are regretting this deal right about now?
9. Thomas Hanson (R) - AA(ATL) 22 - 138 / 85 / 52 / 163 / 2.41 / 0.99 / 0.71 / .175
I don't think this pitcher gets as much recognition as he should as he features a four pitch arsenal that includes a lively low 90's fastball, plus curveball, plus slider and plus changeup. Tommy has since taken his act to the AFL where he remains unhittable. Maybe the Braves should take him out of the discussions for Jake Peavy?
10. Brian Matusz (L) - AFL(BAL) 21 - 7 / 3 / 2 / 9 / 1.29 / 0.71 / 1.40 / .125
I have to admit that I'm purely going off what I've read about this guy with respect to this ranking. If his early AFL performance is any indicator he looks to be another fancy addition to Baltimore's young arsenal of hurlers. One can certainly envision a Tillman / Matusz one, two punch.
Platinum : #'s 11 - 20
11. Jhoulys Chacin (R) - A+(COL) 20 - 177.2 / 143 / 42 / 160 / 2.03 / 1.04 / 2.83 / .221
Jhoulys is yet another example of a pitcher who burst on the scene in 08' . Chacin showcases a low to mid 90's four seamer, a high 80's/low 90's 2 seamer with good sink, a plus changeup (which is his best pitch), and also a much improved curveball. One also has to marvel at the groundball rate which should help him immensely in Coors but also the exceptional command he demonstrated. What's not to like? He could have easily been included in the top 10 and am left wondering if in fact he should've.
12. Tim Alderson (R) - A+(SF) 19 - 145.1 / 125 / 34 / 124 / 2.79 / 1.10 / 1.02 / .235
Another terrific pitching prospect hoping to leave his mark in the bay area. Tim's claim to fame is his exceptional command but that's not to stay he doesn't have above average stuff. Tim features a high 80's/low 90's sinking fastball, plus curveball and an improving changeup and with advanced command it allows all of his pitches to play up a tick. Lincecum, Cain, Sanchez, Bumgarner & Alderson. Oh my!
13. Jarrod Parker (R) - A(ARI) 19 - 117.2 / 113 / 33 / 117 / 3.44 / 1.25 / 1.01 / .251
Scouts were abuzz with Parker's arsenal and above avg. command. He sports a mid 90's fastball, plus slider & curve along with a developing change. To quote BA "Like no other guy his size, he throws downhill and he does it easy," a National League scout said. "When you're 6 foot tall and you throw downhill with that velocity, that's special." Parker and his extremely high ceiling could easily be in the top 10 this time next year. In fact, I'd almost count on it.
14. Phillippe Aumont (R) - A(SEA) 19 - 55.2 / 46 / 19 / 50 / 2.75 / 1.18 / 1.73 / .224
At 6'7" and already throwing in the mid 90's projection remains to further advance that to the high 90's. He's also shown decent command in an albeit injury plagued season along with a plus curveball and developing changeup. As Jim Callis notes "Shutting him down was more a precaution than a red flag. Aumont's potential ranks with just about any pitcher's in the minors—he has that much upside."
15. James McDonald (R) - AAA(LAD) 23 - 141 / 115 / 53 / 141 / 3.26 / 1.19 / 0.65 / .223
Color me impressed at what I saw in his brief sting with the Dodgers. His fastball showed a lot of life to me although I've read contraring opinions on it. He also showed a nice curve & change. I think he's underrated and I'm making what I think is my first bold ranking.
16. Jordan Zimmermann (R) - AA(WSH) 22 - 134 / 104 / 47 / 134 / 2.89 / 1.13 / 1.36 / .215
I really, really like this pitcher. For some reason I have a very good feeling about him and regret like hell that I passed on him several times during the draft last year. Zimmerman has command of four pitches including a low to mid 90's fastball, slider, curve, change combo. With a strong start to the season he should crack that putrid Washington rotation sometime in 09'.
17. Adam Miller (R) - AAA(CLE) 23 - 28.2 / 26 / 12 / 20 / 1.88 / 1.35 / 1.44 / .239
One of my personal favorites although I'm getting very impatient. All of the attributes are there when considering an ace pitcher but he needs to stay healthy. Thankfully, none of his injuries required surgery so there's still hope he can still become what we all expected.
18. Wade Davis (R) - AAA(TB) 23 - 160.2 / 143 / 66 / 136 / 3.47 / 1.31 / 0.96 / .243
Davis works off of 2 plus pitches in his low to mid 90's fastball and an overpowering 12 to 6 curveball. He's working on improving his changeup and cutter to help him with lefties. If not for the logjam of starters in Tampa he may have been given a cup of java but as it stands he has plenty of time to iron out any issues.
19. Michael Bowden (R) - AAA(BOS) 22 - 144.1 / 112 / 29 / 130 / 2.62 / 0.98 / 0.87 / .212
Another pitcher who flies under the radar and I have to admit that I've overlooked him myself until recently. Bowden features a low 90's fastball, curveball and changeup with good deception and what he lacks in overall stuff he more than compensates for with exceptional makeup. I've heard #3 starter ceiling but his numbers would indicate otherwise.
20. Carlos Carrasco (R) - AAA(PHI) 21 - 151.1 / 146 / 58 / 155 / 3.69 / 1.35 / 1.11 / .253
Carlos throws a low to mid 90's fastball, curveball and a plus changeup that's just flat nasty when on. The knock on Carlos has always been his toughness and mound presence although he did make significant strides this year. He will be pitching in the Venezuelan league this winter and should be a candidate for the Philly rotation sometime in 09'.
Gold : #'S 21 - 30
21. Jake Arrieta (R) - A+(BAL) 22 - 113 / 80 / 51 / 120 / 2.87 / 1.16 / 1.14 / .199
Jake was the Carolina League's pitcher of the year posting some very impressive numbers in the process. He commands an explosive mid 90's fastball but needs to refine his secondary pitches which some scouts say could end up being of the plus variety. Jake is definitely a high ceiling pitcher and could join Tillman & Matusz to round out a young formidable rotation.
22. Jeremy Hellickson (R) - AA(TB) 21 - 152 / 148 / 20 / 162 / 2.96 / 1.11 / 1.12 / .258
Jeremy's "stuff" isn't considered to be upper echelon but he makes up for it in terms of "pitchability" and command. Jeremy sports a low to mid 90's fastball, curveball & change that both grade out as average at best. How this will translate at the big league level is an uncertainty which tempers my overall ranking.
23. Jordan Walden (R) - A+(LAA) 21 - 156.1 / 122 / 56 / 141 / 2.76 / 1.14 / 2.11 / .213
Jordan sports a mid 90's heater with a nice curve/slider and a change piece that he's been developing. Like most young pitchers he needs to work on his command and likey has the ceiling of a #2 starter if he can put it all together. One also has to love the 2.11 go/ao ratio. Definitely the best arm in the Angels minor league system imo.
24. Brett Cecil (L) - AAA(TOR) 22 - 118.2 / 100 / 41 / 129 / 2.88 / 1.19 / 2.28 / .225
Brett features a solid fastball touching the low 90's and a plus slider which he uses quite effectively. Questions still remain whether he is better suited for the bullpen rather than the rotation which tempers my ranking. One has to like the groundball to flyball ratio and he certainly faired pretty well as a starter. Next year will be very telling as to where he'll ultimately end up.
25. Jeremy Jeffress (R) - AA(MIL) 21 - 94 / 82 / 52 / 115 / 4.31 / 1.43 / 1.41 / .238
After returning from suspension for marijuana use Jeremy still possesses a high 90's albeit straight fastball that sometime hits triple digits. That and his hard curveball, which has the makings of a plus pitch, are a large reason why he maintains such a high ceiling. Right now he's a 2 pitch pitcher so questions will remain as to whether or not he's better utilized out of the bullpen but he is working on a changeup as well as improving his command which right now is shoddy at best.
26. Daniel Cortes (R) - AA(KC) 21 - 116.2 / 103 / 55 / 109 / 3.78 / 1.36 / 0.76 / .241
Daniel acquitted himself quite well in the hitter friendly Texas league while ranking amongst the league leaders in strikeouts. Daniel possesses a low to mid 90's fastball with late life and a true strikout pitch in his plus curveball. He is currently working on a changeup and needs to further refine his command.
27. Aaron Poreda (L) - AA(CHW) 21 - 161 / 148 / 40 / 118 / 3.13 / 1.17 / 1.39 / .244
Poreda features a nasty mid 90's fastball with late movement along with a hard diving slider and an improving change. Although his k rate was a bit puzzling it did improve with his promotion to the Southern League. Some scouts believe that he's better utilized out of the pen and could in fact thrive in that role right now. However, after logging 161 innings and an additional 5 so far in the AZL it seems the Sox, at least for now, have remained committed to his role as a future starter.
28. Martin Perez (L) - A(TEX) 17 - 61.2 / 66 / 28 / 53 / 3.65 / 1.54 / 1.57 / .274
Martin, as a 17 yr. old in A ball drew comparisons to none other than Johan Santana. He already throws a low 90's fastball that touches 94 along with what scouts call the best curveball in the system as well as the makings of a third plus pitch in his changeup. In other words, his ceiling is off the charts.
29. Daniel Duffy (L) - A(KC) 19 - 81.2 / 56 / 25 / 102 / 2.20 / 0.99 / 0.55 / .193
It's hard to tell by these mind blowing numbers that Duffy got hit hard in his first 3 starts of the season but he certainly ended the year in style giving up only 1 run in his final 29.1 innings of work. Duffy works off a low 90's fastball, a potential plus curve and a developing change. Aside from the extreme flyball tendencies I see a pitcher with tremendous upside.
30. Jess Todd (R) - AAA(STL) 22 - 153 / 116 / 42 / 136 / 2.88 / 1.03 / 1.41 / .213
Jess, despite his smallish frame, posseses a 2 seam fastball that he uses to get groundouts and a 4 seamer that reaches the low to mid 90's along with a slider. He keeps the ball down and questions regarding a future bullpen assignment have subsided due to the way he pitched in 08'.
Silver : #'s 31 - 40
31. David Huff (L) - AAA(CLE) 24 - 146.1 / 112 / 29 / 143 / 2.52 / 0.97 / 1.28 / .209
Huff projects to have the ceiling of a #3 starter although his numbers were nothing short of spectacular. After an injury plagued 2007 the lefthander certainly bounced back featuring a low 90's fastball, plus change, curveball & slider.
32. Hector Rondon (R) - A+(CLE) 20 - 145 / 130 / 42 / 145 / 3.60 / 1.19 / 0.85 / .239
Rondon has an electric arm featuring a mid 90's fastball to go along with developing secondary pitches. His numbers would look even better if not for the horrible start he got off to in April. Rondon will be playing winter ball in Venezuela and is definitely one to watch next year.
33. Mat Latos (R) - A(SD) 20 - 56 / 49 / 13 / 69 / 2.57 / 1.11 / 1.41 / .229
Mat pretty much dominated by season's end after missing the majority of the season and is definitely a pitcher I will be watching closely. He shows strong components and should at least reach A+ if he can remain healthy.
34. Michael Main (R) - A(TEX) 19 - 58.2 / 47 / 18 / 65 / 2.76 / 0.75 / .219
Michael reportedly suffered what I think is best described as a dead arm period during the season which caused his fastball velocity to max out in the low 90's. It apparently also caused his secondary offerings to dip as well but since then he's been back up to the mid 90's and has seen a serious spike in performance across the board. Here's a quote from Jason Parks who is the author of this report http://rangers.mvn.com/2008/10/rangers-fall-instructional-league-report-part-i.html. He was kind enough to speak with me over at LSB and is extremely high on this guy. " Main’s velo was down a bit this year, sitting in the 88-92 range. At fall instructs, his velo was in the 92-95 range with reports of it reaching 96. After a slight mechanical adjustment, not only did his velo increase, but so did his command. I’ll say this: Main looked like a major league pitcher this fall. His stuff was ridiculously good."
35. Fautino De Los Santos (R) - A+(OAK) 22 - 23 / 29 / 11 / 26 / 5.87 / 1.74 / 1.56 / .309
Fautino underwent Tommy John surgery after struggling out of the gate. I'm assuming that his poor showing was due to injury and that his outstanding performance last season is the true indicator of what he's capable of. Having said that, my ranking is tempered based on how this surgery will affect him going forward.
36. Vincent Mazzaro (R) - AAA(OAK) 22 - 171 / 164 / 45 / 131 / 2.74 / 1.22 / 1.39 / .253
Vincent burst on the scene this year earning himself Texas League pitcher of the year honors. Vince's repertoire includes a power sinker that sits in the low 90's along with a 4 seam fastball and slider. Vince also gets accolades for his demeanor and bulldog approach especially with runners on base.
37. Carlos Rosa (R) - AAA(KC) 24 - 95.2 / 81 / 19 / 86 / 2.73 / 1.05 / 1.58 / .231
Carlos certainly made up for lost time jumping from A+ all the way to the majors before being shutdown in June for precautionary reasons. Rosa features a low to mid 90's fastball, slider, curveball and a much improved changeup along with good command of all his pitches. He should be fine come spring training.
38. Ross Detwiler (L) - A+(WSH) 22 - 124 / 140 / 57 / 114 / 4.86 / 1.59 / 1.61 / .289
Ross went through some early struggles while revamping his delivery but that process started to pay dividends as the season wore on. Despite his overall numbers scouts weren't concerned due to his exceptional stuff. Ross features a mid 90's fastball, a plus curveball and an improving change.
39. Cole Rohrbough (L) - A+(ATL) 21 - 90 / 82 / 39 / 104 / 4.40 / 1.34 / 0.96 / .243
Cole got off to a rough start battling rotator cuff and ankle injuries but settled down rather nicely as the season progressed. Cole throws a low 90's fastball and power curve but still needs to refine his changeup and gain command of the strike zone. He still has plenty of projection and as one scout who was quoted in BA said, "His stuff is electrifying. Everything he throws is above average. When he's sharp, particularly with his breaking ball, he's close to unhittable. He also eats innings and competes very well."
40. Matthew Moore (L) - R(TB) 19 - 54.1 / 30 / 19 / 77 / 1.66 / 0.91 / 2.12 / .154
Matthew's arsenal includes a low to mid 90's fastball, curveball and changeup, all considered potential plus pitches. His tremendous makeup, averaging 12.8 k's per 9 innings and almost winning the Appy league ERA title while not allowing a homerun all year make him a very promising pitching prospect.
Bronze : #'s 41 - 50
41. Nick Barnese (R) - A(TB) 18 - 66 / 52 / 24 / 84 / 2.45 / 1.15 / 1.32 / .212
Barnese gets high marks for having exceptional command and a bulldog demeanor. Nick features a low 90's fastball with late life along with a curveball and developing change. At 6'2", 170 lbs there remains room for projection which could mean added velocity.
42. Neil Ramirez (R) - A(TEX) 19 - 44 / 25 / 29 / 52 / 2.66 / 1.23 / 0.91 / 0.85 / .166
Neil has exceptional pure stuff featuring a mid 90's fastball with late life along with a plus curveball and a promising changeup. Neil, like many young pitchers will need to learn to harness his stuff as evidenced by the extremely high walk totals. With improved command he has true ace potential.
43. Jacob McGee (L) - AA(TB) 22 - 77.2 / 65 / 37 / 65 / 3.94 / 1.32 / 1.00 / .230
Questions were raised as to whether or not Jacob would be able to succeed as a starting pitcher with shaky command at best. Now, with Tommy John surgery in the rearview mirror those questions have intensified. With a mid 90's fastball, inconsistent slider and no real third pitch I believe his destiny resides in the bullpen which is why he is ranks so low. However, if he can somehow remain a starter he would definitely vault up the list.
44. Sean West (L) - A+(FLO) 22 - 100.2 / 79 / 60 / 92 / 2.41 / 1.39 / 1.40 / .224
Sean seemed to bounce back fully from labrum surgery as he was soon throwing low to mid 90's fastballs along with a hard slider and changeup. It did take him awhile to improve his command as he allowed a whopping 60 walks in 100.2 innings but by August this trend had markedly improved. He is currently pitching in the AZL for the Mesa Solar Sox having given up only 3 walks in 10 innings of work while striking out 9.
45. Dellin Betances (R) - A(NYY) 20 - 121.2 / 100 / 62 / 141 / 3.92 / 1.34 / 0.88 / .222
Dellin scuffled a bit out of the gate but really came on strong over the last 10 games of the season issuing no more than 3 walks in any one game which was his biggest problem during the season. In fact, over his last 55.1 innings he only issued 18 free passes which was a huge improvement. With a blazing fastball and improved command his potential is huge.
46. Julio Teheran (R) - R(ATL) 17 - 15 / 18 / 4 / 17 / 6.60 / 1.47 / 1.27 / .305
Apparently he was shutdown for precautionary reasons but from what I've read he has signicant upside. As is the case with 17 year old pitchers we'll just have to wait and see what the future holds.
47. Jonathan Niese (L) - AAA(NYM) 21 - 164 / 152 / 58 / 144 / 3.13 / 1.28 / 1.54 / .248
Jonathan, in my opinion, has limited upside. Maybe that of a #3 starter at best. Niese features a high 80's - low 90's fastball, a plus curve (by far his best offering) and a slider. Another thing he has going for him besides the curve is a rather desceptive delivery but I'm not seeing significant upside. For me, he just makes the top 50 and I could have just as well left him off the list entirely.
48. Jeffrey Locke (L) - A(ATL) 20 - 139.2 / 150 / 38 / 113 / 4.06 / 1.35 / 1.59 / .269
Locke had a mixed bag of sorts in that he was very inconsistent throughout the year. However, with 2 plus pitches in his low 90's fastball and power curve to go along with a developing change he has a chance to be a solid #3 starter. His delivery is rather deceptive and he gets high marks for mound presence.
49. David Hernandez (R) - AA(BAL) 23 - 141 / 112 / 71 / 166 / 2.68 / 1.30 / 0.74 / .217
This is a pitcher I'm very leary about in that his command is shoddy and although his fastball & slider are plus at times he's basically a 2 pitch pitcher that could very well be bullpen bound. A feeling that is shared by many scouts.
50. Jairo Heredia (R) - A(NYY) 18 - 102.1 / 99 / 43 / 95 / 3.25 / 1.39 / 1.96 / .249
Heredia features a low to mid 90's fastball, a curveball that has the potential to be a plus pitch, along with a developing change. Improved command is an area of concern but luckily he has time on his side. One also has to like his extreme groundball tendencies. Jairo is definitely a prospect to watch.
HONORABLE MENTION - in alphabetical order
Nick Adenhart, Wilfredo Boscan, Jose Casilla, Manuarys Correa, William Inman, Jaime Garcia, Danny Gutierrez, Zach McAllister, Michael Montgomery, Jeff Niemann, Juan Ramirez, James Simmons
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Comments
Main instead of Ramirez
Lots of pitching prospects to like with the Rangers. I think Michael Main belongs on this list and if necessary I would remove Neil Ramirez to make room.
by Dalman on Oct 28, 2025 11:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
disagree
his stuff reportedly dipped a bit. his fastball sat 90-91 and his curveball was average at best. a case could be made for honorable mention but i don’t think he’s top 50.
I heard Tim Lincecum will win 1 Cy Young & 11 Tim Lincecums. Question is, how many Cole Hamels will he win?
by the pinstripes on Oct 28, 2025 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Main
http://rangers.mvn.com/2008/10/rangers-fall-instructional-league-report-part-i.html
Scroll down to the Main part. Written by a Ranger fan so his words may be biased but look at the radar guns reading.
by groundingout on Oct 28, 2025 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
interesting
if that’s the case i would definitely have to reconsider my non-ranking of him. what amazes me is how there could be two vastly different reports on him although the comments regarding his off speed stuff could certainly hold true as he mostly threw fastballs and only recorded one strike on a curveball.
I heard Tim Lincecum will win 1 Cy Young & 11 Tim Lincecums. Question is, how many Cole Hamels will he win?
by the pinstripes on Oct 28, 2025 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Main
That same source recently ranked Main as essentially tied with Holland and Feliz as the Rangers top pitching prospect. While even taking the facts about him from instructional league as gospel I think that is a bit aggressive based on Holland and Feliz performance + stuff, I had read that just a couple of days ago when I posted the comment about including Main.
by Dalman on Oct 28, 2025 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
to be honest
i don’t know what to think of Main at this point. the guys over at lonestar believe he’s higher up the food chain than Feliz.
now, i’m not saying that i even remotely believe that but it does make me wonder whether or not he’s deserving to be added to the list.
I heard Tim Lincecum will win 1 Cy Young & 11 Tim Lincecums. Question is, how many Cole Hamels will he win?
by the pinstripes on Oct 28, 2025 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Michael Main
cracks the list at #34. I think that’s a fair ranking considering the reports on him in season. that said, if he continues this recent trend he certainly will put himself in a position to move up this list.
I heard Tim Lincecum will win 1 Cy Young & 11 Tim Lincecums. Question is, how many Cole Hamels will he win?
by the pinstripes on Oct 29, 2025 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FIL Report
Thanks for the plug. Again, excellent list.
BTiA's Top 25
by jparks77 on Oct 29, 2025 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
thank you for giving me the heads up. good stuff!
I heard Tim Lincecum will win 1 Cy Young & 11 Tim Lincecums. Question is, how many Cole Hamels will he win?
by the pinstripes on Oct 29, 2025 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+10
Definitely. Main belongs way up.
Drop Macallister and Heredia. When I look at the Honorable Mentions I would take almost all of them over those two… makes me think there might be a little favoritism going on here…
by alskor on Oct 28, 2025 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah ..
- & #50? yeah, such favoratism.
I appreciate the comments but if there’s one thing i’m not is a homer. Furthermore, BA didn’t rank Main in there MWL top 20 so I’m not the only one skeptical of Main. However, with conflicting reports etc.. I’m also willing to take another look at him.
P.S. Heredia will be moving to the HM list in favor of Daryl Thompson. My guess is Main will ultimately be added with McAllister taking a seat as well.
I heard Tim Lincecum will win 1 Cy Young & 11 Tim Lincecums. Question is, how many Cole Hamels will he win?
by the pinstripes on Oct 28, 2025 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Main didn't qualify (not enough innings) for either the MWL or NWL IIRC
Per the chat they did after the NWL rankings, they said that if he did qualify, he’d be #1.
So there’s that.
by LiamP on Oct 28, 2025 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is from the MWL chat
Q: Matt from Ft Worth asks:
Where is Michael Main? He wasn’t in the NW League top 20 and not in the Midwest top 20? What gives?
A: Jim Callis: He didn’t pitch enough innings to qualify for either league. Like many high school pitchers in their first full season, Main saw his stuff dip a little bit. His fastball sat around 91 mph and his curveball was average, though his changeup was better than anticipated. He’s still a quality prospect.
i’m going to look at the NWL chat right now.
I heard Tim Lincecum will win 1 Cy Young & 11 Tim Lincecums. Question is, how many Cole Hamels will he win?
by the pinstripes on Oct 28, 2025 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just went through the NWL chat
and no mention of Main other than a non mention.
Q: Josh from Ft Worth asks:
What are the ceilings of those 4 Rangers pitchers in the top 10? Where do they fit in the hierarchy of Rangers pitching prospects from Feliz/Holland down to the lower minors?
A: Nathan Rode: Very good question. I’ll touch on this a little bit, but leave it up for more debate when Aaron does his Rangers list. We had a short discussion today at lunch about Perez vs. Feliz. I’ll just say that we did not come to a final answer. It was very interesting. But Perez, Ramirez, Boscan and Murphy all belong in the discussion of top arms in that system with guys like Holland and Feliz. I’m still trying to wrap my head around how deep the Rangers pitching is. It’s incredible.
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by the pinstripes on Oct 28, 2025 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that was last year Liam.
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 28, 2025 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's all good
it looks like he’s quite a bit better than i gave him credit for anyway. he is 1 of 3 pitchers who will probably get added to the list.
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by the pinstripes on Oct 28, 2025 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said "a little"
and it was lighthearted. Its your list, man, you can do things like that and its no big deal.
If I was going to promote two HMs, I would personally go James Simmons and Juan Ramirez. Love those two. They would be a good bit up my list.
by alskor on Oct 28, 2025 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kudos to you
for not leaving off top prospects from 2007/8 who were injured in 2008. Guys like FDLS and McGee should not just be forgotten about, even if injury injects a lot of uncertainty.
by siddfynch on Oct 28, 2025 11:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thanks! … i’m just not a big jake mcgee fan as i believe he’ll end up in the pen. it’s not a knock on his stuff though as there aren’t many lefties that can hit upper 90’s. maybe he’ll end up a dominant closer.
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by the pinstripes on Oct 28, 2025 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think ja happ deserves consideration
he might be old, but he’s major league ready, and looks primed to start next year in the phillies rotation.
3:1 K:BB ratio with more than a K per IP in AAA.
he;s got the stuff to back up his stats, as well, sitting in the low 90s as a lefty, with an improved changeup.
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by variablesdont on Oct 28, 2025 11:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the age is what does it. At this point, he has very limited upside and doesn’t look like more than a #4, #5 starter.
by Lunkwill Fook on Oct 28, 2025 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
He’s 26, and doesn’t have any great pitches. High 80’s/Low 90’s fastball, decent secondary stuff but nothing special. His biggest strength is that he’s lanky and slings the ball with a lot of deception in his delivery. I’d be shocked if he became anything more than an average 4/5.
by Southwest on Oct 28, 2025 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't a guaranteed decent starter worth something?
His minor league stats suggest he could be a 3.80-4.20 ERA guy - not an ace, certainly, but a league average starter. Is that that much better than people think Mazzarro could be this year, or Ian Kennedy last year?
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by OldProspects on Oct 28, 2025 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is this 1960?
A 3.80 ERA is way, way higher than league average. That’s probably in the top quartile of starters.
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by PaulThomas on Oct 28, 2025 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Way way
lower, you mean, right?
“higher” as in “better” right?
by alskor on Oct 28, 2025 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry... yes, I mean better
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by PaulThomas on Oct 28, 2025 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for all of the hard work!
I’ll have to try to fully digest it later, but whether or not I agree with your rankings, this sort of stuff is always great to see. Cheers!
/I’ll try and post my thoughts later.
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by shikantaza on Oct 28, 2025 12:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
One quick thing
I think that MadBum throws a slider now and has at least temporarily given up on the curve…
"Q: Can you break down what he throws and what he’s working on?
A: He’s worked on a slider. He had a curveball in the spring but it was erratic. It seemed more like a knuckle curve to me and he wasn’t consistent with it. The slider has gotten better. He’s around the plate with it. It’s got a sharper break and more tilt.
But the biggest thing is the changeup. He’ll need that for the higher levels and he understands that. Down here, he’s just throwing the ball by guys. The closer to home plate they get, the more he reaches back and goes after them. For 19, he’s a very mature, smart kid. He knows he’s got some things he’s got to work on to make himself a more complete pitcher, not just a thrower."
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/extrabaggs/2008/09/02/qa-with-augusta-pitching-coach-ross-grimsley-on-madison-bumgarner/
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by shikantaza on Oct 28, 2025 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I must defend the honor of my man James Simmons
He had a problem with insomnia (sleep apnea or something) early in the season. After June 1, when it was corrected, he was absolutely lights out in a tough hitters’ league. He showed a lot of strikeout ability; he wasn’t just pitching to contact.
We haven’t done the community lists over at AN yet, but midseason people were pretty unanimous in ranking DLS no higher than 5th among the system’s pitching prospects. I actually put him 9th on my midseason list (behind the four already mentioned, Inoa, Demel, Arnold Leon and Henry Rodriguez). I don’t think he’s top 50 at this point; he’s actually getting to the point of being too old for his levels, which is weird for an IFA.
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by PaulThomas on Oct 28, 2025 12:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on Simmons
I’d put him within the top 50 of this list over many of the guys above him (although that is not meant to disparage the list overall). In another farm system he wouldn’t be overlooked as much, and I think he’s got a higher ceiling than people give him credit for.
by jibs on Oct 28, 2025 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When
is AN doing that list?
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Oct 28, 2025 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No set time... I figure it will come together over the offseason
Last year we had a thread around late January, after the big trades. Everyone posted their version of the list. Then I did a Borda count of everyone’s top 30 list to come up with the community list.
Don’t hold your breath, in other words.
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by PaulThomas on Oct 28, 2025 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fautino probably would have been #1 for the A's coming into 2008, so I don't think it's unreasonable
to put him ahead of anyone other than Cahill and Anderson, if you believe that TJ isn’t that big of a deal and age relative to level matters less for pitchers than for hitters. I have around 4th behind Cahill, Anderson and Gio Gonzalez. I’m not sure whether Gio qualifies for this list or not. I do have a bias in favor or top prospects with high upside, so Simmons doesn’t appeal to me much.
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by WaddellCanseco on Oct 29, 2025 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As far as I can tell, everyone seems to be treating Gio as no longer prospect-eligible
which is, I think, correct by MLB rules.
If not, he definitely should be on here at some point.
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by PaulThomas on Oct 29, 2025 4:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
gio & scherzer
are not eligible. they weren’t omissions due to performance.
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TJ isn't a kiss of death, but it's a big deal
Obviously the success rate of TJ surgery is very high these days, but it still introduces a lot of risk. Will he lose stuff? Can he regain his command? Will there be a setback in the recovery, pushing back his timetable further? Is there something inherent in his mechanics that will lead to this happening again?
Look at Liriano. Still a great pitcher obviously, but by all accounts he isn’t the same pitcher he was in 2006, and he may never regain that form. So he’d still be a “top prospect”, but it has affected his performance.
To assume that FDLS (or McGee or anybody else) will just step right back in and be the same prospect they once had been is a leap of faith I can’t make until they’ve actually returned and shown that they’re on the path to recovery.
And just another note on Simmons, I really do think that he’s been unfairly labeled as a low-ceiling guy just because he doesn’t have an explosive heater and has been labeled as a “control artist”. He supposedly has “elite” command of his fastball within the strikezone, sitting 90 to 92. His first year out of college he was fairly dominant at AA, and his total numbers (while still excellent) were skewed negatively by his poor start due to a medical condition. I understand the lure of wishing on a star for true elite #1 starters, but Simmons is going to be a legit middle of the rotation starter, and will be doing it soon.
by jibs on Oct 29, 2025 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
People consistently undervalue how important it is to have high-probability mid-rotation starters
Unlike hitting, in pitching, producing another league-average player is almost always going to help your team win, because almost no one has a rotation where every guy is above average.
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by PaulThomas on Oct 29, 2025 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
still no updates on his breaking ball progress
all i read his his great control of a low 90’s FB w/ sink + changeup
i guess sine he might reach the majors quickly kind of will be compared to kennedy/slowey type
of course, BA thought kennedy was a top 30 prospect last season, now he looks like possible trade bait
by Asfan4ever723 on Oct 29, 2025 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kennedy is not healthy, IMO
It’s totally consistent to say “Kennedy types are better than people think” while viewing Kennedy, himself, with suspicion. Any pitcher who suffers a shoulder injury instantly has their value drop dramatically.
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by PaulThomas on Oct 29, 2025 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Simmons
Has WAY better stuff than Kennedy/Slowey.
He’s just not a fireballer.
by alskor on Oct 30, 2025 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i do think simmons
is just as good as a poreda/todd etc, maybe even cecil…other recent 2007 draftees
are they 30+ spots better than simmons..i dont know, that seems like a huge gap
you could make an argument simmons is just as good as his own AA teammate mazzaro also. at least on A’s boards some seem to think mazzaro would be the one to trade off
by Asfan4ever723 on Oct 31, 2025 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I entirely agree
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by OldProspects on Oct 29, 2025 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Though incidentally,
this is a problem primarily with prospects. I think people value Joe Blanton, for example, decently
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by OldProspects on Oct 29, 2025 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm talking about blogger types
TEAMS probably OVERvalue the mid-rotation types… certainly they do once they hit free agency. Marquis, Suppan, Meche, Lohse, Silva… the list goes on. Blanton will be overpaid by someone two years from now.
Of course, the overpriced nature of these guys on the FA market just underscores the importance of producing them in-house.
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by PaulThomas on Oct 29, 2025 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I remember cringing when Beane signed LOIAZA to the big contract. That one made no sense to me.
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by King Billy Royal on Oct 30, 2025 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice List
I think Holland is too high and Niese is too low, but overall, it’s a solid list. Nice work as usual, Pinstripes.
by aap212 on Oct 28, 2025 12:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah, i know i’ll be getting plenty of flack for ranking niese so low but after watching him a few times i’m just not enamored with him. he has a very nice curve but i’m not impressed with anything else. i don’t know. maybe.
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Daryl Thompson or Kyle Lotzkar
Neither even got consideration?
by dougdirt on Oct 28, 2025 12:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
f&%$ck!
totally forgot about thompson and i liked lotzkar at the beginning of last year but hadn’t heard much about him all year. i need to take a look at both and adjust.
thx for pointing them out.
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by the pinstripes on Oct 28, 2025 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey dougdirt
Can you give me any info on Lotzkar? I took him and Neil Ramirez last year in a fantasy league draft as high upside types and from what I’ve read Ramirez looks to be panning out well, so I’m hoping for the same from Lotzkar.
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by gatling on Oct 28, 2025 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kyle Lotzkar
I had an interview with him just last week.
http://redsminorleagues.com/2008/10/25/redsminorleaguescom-interview-with-kyle-lotzkar/
As far as information, scouting report is good. FB in the 91-95 MPH range and he has an in progress change up. He may be learning a new breaking ball though because of the stress it was puting on his elbow.
by dougdirt on Oct 28, 2025 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lotzkar injury
didn’t he throw a pitch and his elbow just explode or something? i’m not trying to be figurative either, i think he had a bone literally shatter in his arm
by IHateMitchMustain on Oct 31, 2025 3:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent work
Thanks Pinstripes for putting forth the time and effort to do this.
God bless you for putting Holland ahead of B.Anderson, haha.
Now raise your goblet of rock. It's a toast to those who rock!
by Dewey Finn on Oct 28, 2025 12:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thx dewey!
much appreciated.
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Hernandez
As I have said this many times before, if Hernandez can get his BB/9 of ’07(2.91) and pitch effectively as in ’08, then he would be a bonafide starter.
by orioole26 on Oct 28, 2025 1:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Michael Pineda
thought he might have a chance to make the tail end or at least honorable mention. What are people’s thoughts on him? his numbers are awfully nice
by VanillaGorilla on Oct 28, 2025 1:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i’ve read more than a few comments that indicate a bullpen assignment is in his future.
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by the pinstripes on Oct 28, 2025 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wouldn't be so quick to write him off
jamie navarro (former MLBer and his pitching coach at Low A) thinks his slider could develop into an out pitch, and he’s already got a plus change to go along with a 93 MPH fastball, so the arsenal appears to be rounding into shape…..that’s a pretty good base to work from given his advanced command (in august he walked only 3 vs. 49 K’s in 39 IP) and frame (6’7" and filling out)
by Wheelhouse on Oct 28, 2025 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not writing him off per say
but if i were to rank another mariners pitcher it would be juan ramirez.
that said, pineda could most certainly pan out if what you say is true. in fact, he’s definitely one of the pitchers i’ll be watching early next year for my dynasty teams.
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by the pinstripes on Oct 28, 2025 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personal Opinion
On the whole, the list would somewhat accurately reflect my own, which is good… for me. Its a good list though, but everyone has to have their qualms.
Too High:
Adam Miller - I just think he will never reach his potential due to injuries. I’d knock him down a level
Matthew Moore - Just seems an oddball out there in comparison to the rest of the list. Considering how many other young guys could be there, I don’t see what sets him out from the rest.
Ross Detwiler - I just don’t see the dynamic arm he showed at some point. Its missing, and until he shows something… I can’t see him that high.
Too Low:
Wade Davis - we’ve already argued it before :)
Niese - I don’t see how upside as a #3 starter is really all that bad? Probably at least a quarter of this list won’t even be a #5 starter and another quarter won’t be a #3. Just because he’s more certain to his peak, don’t make him less valuable. I’d bump him up a level.
Adenhart - he had some problems adjusting, but I still think he should be somewhere on this list
Everyone else there is a good argument for where they are placed IMHO
by thudean on Oct 28, 2025 1:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
response
thanks for taking the time to comment. here’s my response.
adam miller - i think most people who frequent this site realize that i’m a huge adam miller fan. that said, his stuff is not in question and i remain hopeful that he can overcome a slew of minor injuries a la cole hamels and put it all together.
matthew moore - my sleeper pick. everyone should get one of those. right? seriously, i’m a big fan of lefty’s that throw mid 90’s w/ good command and a few plus offspeed pitches.
ross detwiler - that rank was obviously based more on pedigree and what some scouts said about him after the season was over. obviously, he looks bad statistically but he did improve toward the end of the season. definitely an agressive ranking though.
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wade davis - i think 18 overall is pretty good. he’s going to be 24 next year and still in the minors working on command issues.
jonathan niese - i’m just not impressed and would be surprised to see him reach #3 starter status.
nick adenhart - not willing to give him the same pass i gave detwiler. his numbers this year were absolutely brutal. 173 hits, 75 walks in 145.1 innings plus a baa to the tune of .306 … yikes!
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by the pinstripes on Oct 28, 2025 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well for one thing
Niese throws a changeup with some good potential. It has very nice drop and if he can command it can become another weapon.
And have you ever seen the man’s curve? That thing has 17 inches of movement at 73 MPH. I’m not comparing it to Mariano’s cutter but that’s a nice pitch.
If he develops that change (and he has plenty of time to) he’s a #2 or 3 starter. However realistically a good comp is Ted Lilly, and I think a guy with that kind of comp belongs in the mid-30s on a pitching list.
Anyways, I like the effort, but there are a whole bunch of guys here I’ve never heard of and probably do not have as good of a shot as a #3 starter as Niese does.
by METSMETSMETS on Oct 28, 2025 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
niese
people aren’t saying he can’t be a darn good major league baseball player, but people need to pay attention to what pitchers do in the minor leagues and what patterns are consistently followed and try and comp people or help keep people from being placed in those comp situations….niese has good stuff, he’s good a good changeup, ok, he might be a mlb starter, but he has all the makings of zach duke, jeremy sowers and anyone else over the last few years who dominated the minors only to realize that you actually need a little something extra when the ump doesn’t let you nibble around the plate
both of those others could end up having good careers as well as niese, but his stuff looks just like everyone else before him, will play up to inferior competition, then not be able to dominate the better hitters
by IHateMitchMustain on Oct 31, 2025 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good list
I really appreciate all the work you do on here.
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by camwoody on Oct 28, 2025 2:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thanks cam .... much appreciated!
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by the pinstripes on Oct 28, 2025 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice work
Great list Pinstripes. What are your thoughts on Brett Cecil?
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by King Billy Royal on Oct 28, 2025 2:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
24. Brett Cecil - AAA 22 - 118.2 / 100 / 41 / 129 / 2.88 / 1.19 / 2.28 / .225
Brett features a solid fastball touching the low 90’s and a plus slider which he uses quite effectively. Questions still remain whether he is better suited for the bullpen rather than the rotation which tempers my ranking. One has to like the groundball to flyball ratio and he certainly faired pretty well as a starter. Next year will be very telling as to where he’ll ultimately end up.
likes - nice strikeout totals, nice groundball ratio, good command, nice to see him reach AAA at the age of 22.
dislikes - doesn’t have a 3rd pitch to speak of, rumors about an eventual move to the bullpen.
overall, i like him quite a bit actually. if he can come up with a usable third pitch i see no reason he can’t remain as a starter. at the very least he should get an opportunity before being moved.
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by the pinstripes on Oct 28, 2025 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you feel about Henry Sosa?
The guy undoubtably has a great fastball, but his command issues are troublesome. I know a lot of people were very high on him before this last season, but that he has dropped off the map a bit with his injury and the appearance of all these other Giants prospects.
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by shikantaza on Oct 28, 2025 2:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
both henry sosa & waldis joaquin were on my radar at the beginning of the season and both kind of fell by the wayside albeit for different reasons.
i don’t know if sosa’s command was all that bad but the fact is he’s going to be 24 next yr. and has never played above A+.
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by the pinstripes on Oct 28, 2025 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea, he should have started in AA this year (not bad for a 22 year old) but the injuries really derailed him
I’m not saying that he should have been on the list, rather, I was interested in whether you think that with his good K rate he still has a chance to be successful. I guess his lack of a spot on top 50 in part reflects your opinion.
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by shikantaza on Oct 28, 2025 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually
i don’t think there is any question that he has good stuff so in that regard he absolutely has a chance.
just ask yourself how many pitchers on this list did you forecast to be in the top 50 let alone the top 15. case in point, holland & chacin. i’d say they basically came out of nowhere.
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by the pinstripes on Oct 28, 2025 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
As a Giants fan I don’t think Sosa deserves to be on this list yet. Had he not been injured and had a decent year he would probably be down in the lower third IMO. I still think he can be a good major league starter though. I will be interesting to see how he bounces back next year and how aggressively he is promoted if he does indeed bounce back.
Shikantaza and Pinstripes, I would be interested to hear where you think Sosa might fit in the rotation. Does he seem like a top of the rotation guy to you or will he fit somewhere near 4 or 5?
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by camwoody on Oct 28, 2025 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My impression is that he has the potential to be a #2...
he has a very good fastball, a decent curve, and has put up good H/9 and K/9 numbers. The question is whether he can put it together, and as pinstripes points out, he’s getting relatively old for his league. If he doesn’t do well next year, I think his chances of getting near his ceiling go down quite a bit.
If he does poorly next year, the Giants might consider moving him to the ’pen. The team is strong on starting pitching, so he might be better used as a 7th inning guy in the mold of Felix Rodriguez (2000-03 version). His plus fastball might allow Sosa to thrive in this role.
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by shikantaza on Oct 28, 2025 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW, if you're judging on the basis of "cool name"
shouldn’t Josh Outman at least make the honorable mentions?
(Actually, I think you can make a case for him cracking them anyway; command is iffy but he has a juicy fastball. He might end up in the bullpen, but he should still provide plenty of value there.)
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by PaulThomas on Oct 28, 2025 3:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I prefer Inman to Outman
personally….
by CapgrasDelusion on Oct 28, 2025 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Outman
is the best possible name for a pitcher. Ever.
It would be like a hitter being named Homerunman.
by supermets on Oct 28, 2025 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strikeoutman would be better
his hitter equivalent is more line Singleman
by VanillaGorilla on Oct 28, 2025 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hitman, no?
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by PaulThomas on Oct 28, 2025 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or perhaps "Onbaseman" in deference to sabermetric orthodoxy
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by PaulThomas on Oct 28, 2025 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what if
chris kaman pitched, let’s give him a call and get him some lessons
by IHateMitchMustain on Oct 31, 2025 3:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strikeoutman's counterpart
Would be Bob Walk, of course. Who is the father of Grant Balfour.
And of course, they each had a hitting counterpart in their respective eras - Ken Singleton and Chris Singleton.
by siddfynch on Oct 28, 2025 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pin
Can’t really argue with the top 10, they are all worthy, obviously debate over the placement, but they all belong there, IMO.
Question for the guys you’ve ranked 11-15, who do you like think has the most potential to be a Titanium guy?
by RoyalsFan4Life on Oct 28, 2025 3:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Parker & Aumont
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by the pinstripes on Oct 28, 2025 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice list
and not just saying that because I have numbers 3, 6, 9, 11 and 12 on my keeper league team.
I used to have McDonald and nice to see you go out on that limb.
I like Cecil and Huff (both still available in my league, as well as, shockingly, brian Anderson). I was wanting to move them up your list but hard to say who to slide back. I do prefer them to some higher ups, but not definitive.
Niese, with that curve, isa poor man’s Barry Zito. :) Uh oh. I am a Mets fan, and I think Niese could end up being decent, but I think that’s about where he belongs.
I’d put Brad Holt as an Honorable mention (Mets fan, remember), and Kris Medlen.
by wobatus on Oct 28, 2025 4:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
poor man's Barry Zito
that means he’ll be out of baseball pretty soon ….. :-)
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by the pinstripes on Oct 28, 2025 4:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Poor Barry Zito? Is that like a poor man's Warren Buffett?
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by WaddellCanseco on Oct 29, 2025 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More like a starving man's Warren Buffet
No, I have no idea what that means either.
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by PaulThomas on Oct 29, 2025 4:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A little surprised by the Arrieta ranking
His command issues worry me, and he’s not exactly a spring chicken. I think I still prefer Erbe at this point.
by CapgrasDelusion on Oct 28, 2025 4:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
One minor point that has been repeated by John
16. Jordan Zimmerman -
is spelled with 2 n’l
by VladiHondo on Oct 28, 2025 4:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wieters
uhhh did i miss something..matt wieters is missing from the list..is this just an oversite or is there a reason wieters isnt on it….?????
by cubsfan1 on Oct 28, 2025 4:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LOLOL
Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?
by shikantaza on Oct 28, 2025 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
/facepalm
I see the future, and it is Pablo
by CB30 on Oct 28, 2025 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HEY GUYS I JUST NOTICED JASON HAYWORDS ISN’T ON THE LIST….TERRIBLE OVERSIGHT.
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by marcello on Oct 29, 2025 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
you guys are relentless ……
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by the pinstripes on Oct 29, 2025 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well he is the next Jesus
He’ll be pitching game 7 of the world series eventually, while batting 4th in the midst of a 372 HR season.
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by doublestix on Oct 29, 2025 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeff Samardzija
First off, thanks for taking the time to make up this list, I can only imagine the effort you put into this. Regarding Samardzija, he needs to be listed here. I don’t know if you disregarded him as a starter and view him as a bullpen guy only, then I understand. He has a plus fastball that he can dial up to 97-98 and sit in the mid 90’s. He also showed a feel for a slider and splitter at the major league level.
You can look at his numbers with the Cubs this year and say fluke compared to what he did in the minors. However, he struck out a guy an inning and did not allow a single home run. These were two of his glaring problems in the minors. 7.81 H/9, 8.13 K/9 He was not a one pitch guy with the Cubs this year. He was relying on his fastball but was able to effectively use his secondary pitches to get hitters out at the major league level. He has done what a lot of guys on your list have not, and that is get hitters out at the major league level with success. You can look at control and yes that is an issue at this point, but you cannot disagree with the fact that he has an elite fastball with insane movement for its speed. Maybe I’m just sipping the homer kool-aid because the Cubs have no other serviceable SP prospect but I think he is really going to be a good SP that has at least enough upside to be listed in your top 50.
by uwbadger on Oct 28, 2025 5:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
honestly
i forgot about him entirely but i do view him as a reliever but i also view guys like jacob mcgee as a reliever as well.
in short, i’m going to have to take a look at him and get back to you. if there’s a chance he can remain a starter then i agree with you that he should be on this list. have you heard anything either way as to what the plan is for him next year?
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McGee
I absolutely love Jake McGee. I’m almost positive he’ll be used out of the pen because of the organizational depth. I still think he could/would make a solid starter if they needed him to be. His fastball is awesome. His slider, like you said needs some work, but it’s got potential. I’m also not sure how much he’ll work on it when he comes back, but I’m of the opinion that his change-up has as much if not more potential than his slider. His change has good sink and fade when he throws it well, but he struggles to maintain consistent arm speed with it.
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by Tyler on Oct 29, 2025 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will swear on a stack of bibles
that he is not going to “sit mid-90s” as a starter. Guys lose 2-3 MPH on their fastballs as starters. The league lead in average fastball MPH this season was below 95 MPH for starters.
BTW, how’s the basketball team looking this season? I need someone to root for this season; Stanford’s going in the toilet without their coach and the Lopez twins. And to add insult to injury, the coach leaving caused the team’s top recruit to bolt.
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by PaulThomas on Oct 28, 2025 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
to me mid 90's is 94-96, and I see no reason he can't be 94-95 consistently
As for the Badgers, guard play should be strong and four returning starters. No proven big man might hurt. Picked 3rd preseason in the big 10. Every year they are underestimated, and every year they find a way into the mid-teens and a high tourney seed playing solid Bo Ryan basketball. Still looking for that deep tourney run that has been lacking due to injuries. I think a lot of people can appreciate Badger basketball because they have four year players and guys committed to the team and not worried about jumping to the NBA. You can say they never have NBA talent but they maximize what they do have.
by uwbadger on Oct 28, 2025 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I'm a Stanford fan, I know the drill
The Lopez twins were the first players in program history to leave before the end of their junior seasons.
Always the same complaints about being “unathletic,” “boring,” etc etc. Hell, it’s practically the same situation the A’s are in. Oakland can’t afford to pay high-priced superstars, while Stanford/Wisconsin/other non-Duke academic schools (Purdue, Vandy, Cal) just can’t get them in the first place. So they have to find undervalued talent somehow.
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by PaulThomas on Oct 28, 2025 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a reliever
According to fangraphs, this season in the majors as a reliever, his average fastball was 94.7mph. Take off 1-2 mph and as a starter he sits 92-94, hitting 95 and 96 when he has to.
by supermets on Oct 28, 2025 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You might want to jump on the Gators bandwagon.
Donovan is getting this team prepped at another long stint of NCAA Tourney runs. Calathes comes back as a Pre-SEC 1st-team, Parsons has gained weight and can play PF and SF, Dan Werner has some experience and can play PF and shoot a 3, Lucas can run the court, and then you have a great freshmen class with Walker, Vargas and Kadji. 09’ class has two forwards with great potential in Painter and Murphy. Also might be getting an elite guard in Boynton. (One of the top 3 guards of the 09’ class.) Knight looks to be all Gator for the 10’ class. (#1 PG in the 2010 class.) Austin Rivers is already committed to the Gators for the 2011 class. (#1 PG atm for 11’.) Future looks good in Gainesville.
by Cory Alexander on Oct 29, 2025 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rondon
I am glad to see some love given to him. I picked him up in a recent deal and said I felt he may break someones top 100 overall prospects..glad to see him ranked here
by NYSOX on Oct 28, 2025 6:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hurley
Nice list. I think Eric Hurley should be on there somewhere. Granted, he didn’t have a great season, but he made the majors at 22 and I think he can still improve a bit.
by killa on Oct 28, 2025 6:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
At the levels that many of these guys are currently at, Hurley was billed as #2 upside….many of them will also slide to #3/#4, but not even make it as close to the majors as Hurley has.
A healthy guy with a floor of #4 and on the cusp of the majors should be a top-50.
by siddfynch on Oct 28, 2025 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
his fly ball tendencies will kill him in that park...just a thought.
might need a trade to see him reach his potential
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by doublestix on Oct 28, 2025 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That may be true
But I try not to look at Major league parks when evaluating talent. Too many trades happen, and if he got traded to a San Diego he would become a Top 20 prospect based on that. Not saying Texas won’t hurt him, but based on almost every other factor, he belongs on the list. Granted, he does have a pretty high flyball tendency, but if we based things off of parks, Texas and Colorado pitchers might as well be bumped down 20 spots.
by killa on Oct 28, 2025 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Garrett Johnson
What do you think about Garrett Johnson played in rookie ball with the White Sox. Strikeouts to base on balls and fo;go, Upside Left handed and 6’10. Fastball low 90s.
by kjohnson44 on Oct 28, 2025 7:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
nice list
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by doublestix on Oct 28, 2025 8:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice list
I know it would be a pain to go back through now, but the only thing is I wish it said what hand the pitchers used.
Also, I’m more than a little surprised to see Jeff Samardjiza not even make the honorable mention list.
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by Brickhaus on Oct 28, 2025 9:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i can do that for you
also, i considered samardzija a reliever but i was told the plan for him is as a starter so i will be ranking him, daryl thompson & michael main at some point during the day.
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by the pinstripes on Oct 29, 2025 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the effort
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by Brickhaus on Oct 29, 2025 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holland
Well Pin…. I like the list I really do but think you are lying to yourself or trying to be cool by having Holland so high.
In a coming fantasy draft if you had Holland and Matsuz in front of you would you really pull the trigger on Holland?
by novaoakland on Oct 28, 2025 10:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
But I think you are kidding YOURself if you think it’s that easy a choice….
by killa on Oct 28, 2025 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wierd to say about a recent draftee
But Matsuz just seems so much safer a bet.
by novaoakland on Oct 29, 2025 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
UH
Matusz has nowhere near the stuff of Holland.
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by Dewey Finn on Oct 29, 2025 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No where near?
That may be a bit of an exaggeration. Holland had an amazing year their is no disputing that but other than a couple MPH on his Fastball think the offspeed stuff and curve go to Matusz.
by novaoakland on Oct 29, 2025 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't mind Dewey
He’s so obsessed with being the world’s #1 Derek Holland fan that he feels the need to bash every other pitching prospect out there, including other Rangers prospects.
by aap212 on Oct 29, 2025 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Command
That is where Matusz gets the ‘edge’.
Holland’s stuff is much more vicious and delicious when it’s on.
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by Dewey Finn on Oct 29, 2025 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
holland/matusz
what up thai stick? thanks for stopping by. i see you’re trying to talk prozi’s again and we both know that’s not your strong suit … :-)
as far as who i’d take if it came down to it that’s a good question. i’d probably take matusz but not because i think he’s better than holland per say. i’m very leary about owning any pitcher that has to pitch half his games in arlington but that said i think holland is as safe a bet as any that I can remember since i started participating in fantasy ball.
also, by the time we draft i’ll at least be able to look at his arizona league performance to kind of get a feel for what he can do. i realize it’s a small sample size but at least it’s something.
in summary, it would be a tough decision and i really don’t know with 100% assurity what I would do. besides, it’s not like i ranked matusz #20 or anything. we’re talking 4 spots and things change in this business of prospecting. you and i both know that.
thanks for playing!
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by the pinstripes on Oct 29, 2025 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prospects are all about turn and Burn
Seriously like the list though. You are a smart man sure you will come around on Holland versus Matusz.
by novaoakland on Oct 29, 2025 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some rumors out of Texas
that Holland may get a shot in the rotation in 09… During ST…
So, is Matsuz polished enough to do that? It has alot to do with not only value but how soon you need a SP
by laxtonto on Oct 30, 2025 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That sounds like a reasonable timeline for Matusz, yes
by dkdc on Oct 30, 2025 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never mind, read that wrong
Opening Day 2010 is a reasonable timeline for Matusz.
I’d say Opening Day 2009 is a pretty unreasonable timeline for both Holland and Matusz.
by dkdc on Oct 30, 2025 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said the same thing....
but that the latest word floating around Dallas.
I more see it as Holland getting a shot in ST, just to get him used to the MLB atmosphere and start the season in AAA or a shot tester of 3 or 4 games in AA before AAA. Could definitely see Holland this year, not so sure with Matsuz
by laxtonto on Oct 30, 2025 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you mean
he is getting INVITED to MLB spring training? i mean technically if he is there then I am sure some chance he could make the rotation, but if you think you heard that “rumor” about him being given a shot you either heard wrong or the people making that crap up need to settle down and get excited about the UT-Tech game this weekend at Lubbock or something, or take some time to pray for Romo’s health, anything to keep from talking like a bumbling idiot
by IHateMitchMustain on Oct 31, 2025 3:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well if Texas is that dumb to rush him like that...
All the more reason I like Matusz more. Not that I know much but as Texas has such a history of developing SP what ever they plan is likely wrong.
Honestly would love to see where the 09 rotation was mentioned… Is this a a real writer or just someone making idle speculation.
by novaoakland on Oct 31, 2025 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was either from one of the local writers
or the mlb.com writers in one of the mailbags
Truthfully I think its more of a ploy to just reward the kid for an excellent season. Why add him to the 40 before you have too…
Still, its scary to see him almost guaranteed to see AAA before the Allstar break, if not the majors.
by laxtonto on Oct 31, 2025 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
galloway, who is an idiot savant, had nolan ryan on the show last week and they talked pretty in depth about his plans for the pitching staff made no mention of holland being considered for the rotation. that’s not to say that he won’t at some point but i doubt it would be before the allstar break at best.
just my 2 cents!
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by the pinstripes on Oct 31, 2025 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
correct
i don’t think that Texas has developed a top starter in the last 20 years. hopefully, that will change.
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by the pinstripes on Oct 31, 2025 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well that depends
Depends on how much credit you want to give Texas for developing Volquez.
Texas’ rotation could be scary to all those AL West teams as early as 2010 though - with Holland and Feliz about ready to hit the bigs, and others like Main, Ramirez and some other intriguing arms lower down in the minors. That is something we have not said about the Rangers pretty much since they came into existence.
by guru4u on Oct 31, 2025 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Brown and Kenny Rogers
I stand by your essential point, Pinstripes, but they do have two feathers in their cap.
by aap212 on Oct 31, 2025 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just rumors
Holland has no chance of making the rotation out of ST. Don’t ask me how I know….but I do.
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by jparks77 on Oct 31, 2025 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holland to rotation out of ST
This seems to happen every ST for the Rangers. Hurley had a “shot” coming into this season. In reality tho, neither Hurley or Holland had/have a shot at cracking the rotation ot of ST.
by groundingout on Nov 1, 2025 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tommy Hanson
He gets severely underrated in every ranking.
by Jay212033 on Oct 28, 2025 11:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
9th!
THAT IS GOOD.
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by doublestix on Oct 28, 2025 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
that he gets underrated quite often. i just don’t see where i underrated him.
any pitcher in the top 10 is TITANIUM baby!
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by the pinstripes on Oct 29, 2025 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's better than
Tillman, Holland, Porcello and Anderson at this point!
by Jay212033 on Oct 29, 2025 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
one could make that case
i won’t argue that point. he’s an excellent prospect who is continuing to have a tremendous season. no doubt.
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by the pinstripes on Oct 29, 2025 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
KC
good to see some respect for Duffy/Cortes/Rosa
by MightyMoose on Oct 29, 2025 12:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Montgomery
I read somewhere that Michael Montgomery has a higher upside than Duffy. Now, I don’t necessarily believe that but that’s nice to hear from a Royals fan’s perspective.
As you can see I like Duffy quite a bit.
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by the pinstripes on Oct 29, 2025 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't forget Melville
I would bet he’s going to have a pretty good debut next year.
by MightyMoose on Oct 29, 2025 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lars Anderson?
I believe you mixed him and Bowden.
Bowden is a number 4 at best anyway.
by schmosterballs92 on Oct 29, 2025 9:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm a complete idiot, sorry.
by schmosterballs92 on Oct 29, 2025 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nahhh
see that guy above? novaoakland ……. he’s got you beat 10 fold.
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by the pinstripes on Oct 29, 2025 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I honestly have to say...
That this list/article is the best content I have seen on this site in a LONG time.
No offense John.
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by Dewey Finn on Oct 29, 2025 9:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I am amazed at the detail and work that went into this.
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by King Billy Royal on Oct 30, 2025 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thx!
to both you and dewey. i appreciate those kind words!
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by the pinstripes on Oct 31, 2025 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was a really nice list dude.
I, too, would like to see Simmons at least get a mention, but it’s not a huge problem. Great work.
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by hero66 on Oct 29, 2025 11:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He got a mention...
an Honorable one…
That said, I see him as essentially identical in value to Mazzaro, so I think he should be substantially higher than that.
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by PaulThomas on Oct 30, 2025 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thx!
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by the pinstripes on Oct 31, 2025 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would also I like to say this is an amazing list. Really, really well done.
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by Tyler on Oct 29, 2025 11:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thx!
much appreciated.
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by the pinstripes on Oct 31, 2025 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent list
Thanks for taking the time to create and post such a detailed review.
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by gatling on Oct 31, 2025 2:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thx!
much appreciated.
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by the pinstripes on Oct 31, 2025 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brad Holt & Shooter Hunt
Aside from cool names can anyone shed some light on either of these guys? especially in terms of what they throw and potential ceiling.
Thanks!
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by the pinstripes on Oct 31, 2025 10:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Holt
I know that he’s got a plus (plus plus?) fastball and a curve that has flashed plus. He needs to work on his change, but it’s got a prayer of working out. Honestly I think Holt has as much helium potential as any other college pitcher drafted last year.
by jibs on Nov 1, 2025 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hunt
Command/Control is a major issue with Hunt.
However, when his stuff is on, he is nearly unhittable. He has a very heavy fastball and flashes a plus curve/slider. If/Once he gains consistency of those pitches, he has the potential to be a #2 starter.
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by Dewey Finn on Nov 2, 2025 10:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hunt's upside comp would be Matt Cain
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by Dewey Finn on Nov 2, 2025 10:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brett Hunter and Tyson Ross 08 draftees
could they jump in the lower end of this list in 09?
both were even available for the A’s in later spots in the draft due to some injuries during their season. plus both have kind of funky mechanics that couldve scared teams away.
Ross was really solid in a stint for the high A playoffs
Hunter has gotten some of the velocity back that considered him a mid 1st rd pick early in the yr. touching 95/96mph in instructional league and now pitching in the HWB.
are the injury issue the biggest concerns? do you see Hunter more as a reliever?
any thoughts on either?
by Asfan4ever723 on Nov 2, 2025 2:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Tucker?
I noticed he isnt on the list at all, Ryan Tucker. He has wonderful AA numbers and I dont think he is out of prospect status yet. He was rushed to the majors but good solid stuff and good potentials to him.
Any thoughts?
by Fishfan79 on Nov 2, 2025 6:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Marlins moved him to the bullpen permanently, right?
I seem to recall reading that his switch to the bullpen for Carolina was a permanent move. His peripheral numbers this year at AA don’t match up to his excellent ERA, and he was absolutely terrible for the Marlins. He’s obviously still got a lot of time to develop though.
by jibs on Nov 2, 2025 9:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yes, i missed him
i thought he had 50 innings under his pelt when in fact i think he only logged 39 or so. he belongs on the list w/ daryl thompson. i need to revise at some point. been swamped.
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by the pinstripes on Nov 3, 2025 10:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no problem
I figured I would toss him out there the list is a good list imo, They moved him to the bullpen for a possible slot as a future closer. Because our major league rotation is so young and well sick to be honest. But, I could see him back as a starter most likely and just getting some work there for it. The fish do this often in the minors and majors both nolasco and volstad and even Johnson all were RP in the bigs then starters. Just need to find folks a postion and all up there it seems sometimes. Just wanted to toss out his name for an honorable mention perhaps for the list from his potentials.
by Fishfan79 on Nov 3, 2025 12:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jarrod Parker
I drafted Parker last year in my NL only Keeper League last year and was a bit disappointed in his overall numbers——-too many hits given up and higher ERA than I would have expected——he just seemed much too hittable to be ranked so high—-you obviously like him a lot————what is his ceiling and ETA in the bigs.
by dancer on Nov 5, 2025 4:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
James McDonald
I’m a huge McDonald fan also. Nice to see him get some respect. It’s strange how little pub he gets, maybe because of the time he spent as a hitter. Your the first person I’ve seen put him that high and I was wondering your thoughts on putting him at 15. I know the big question with him has always been fastball velocity, as well as flyball rates, but he seemed to have pretty good life on his fastball out of the pen verse the Phils. His secondary pitches have always been outstanding. If his fastball sits between 91-93 where do you see him slotting in the Dodgers rotation? A lot of scouting reports don’t project him to be anything more than a #3, again fastball velocity seems to be the big question, while I think he could most likely be a pretty good #2.
by mcpeepants23200 on Nov 5, 2025 5:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
John had him at #13 or something
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by OldProspects on Nov 5, 2025 7:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Overshadowing
I think McDonald might get relatively little publicity because he’s coming up behind Kershaw, who’s been wildly, wildly hyped (not saying it’s unjustified).
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Gio Gonzalez?
Is he considered ineligible? He only pitched 34 innings last year, so it seems he is still eligible for rookie of the year. Or was he excluded for other reasons?
by Bluth on Nov 6, 2025 2:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Too much service time
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by PaulThomas on Nov 6, 2025 3:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Service time
That doesn’t usually disqualify one from prospect rankings. See Joe Smith after last season for just one example. The generally standard is 50 IP/150(or 130) AB regardless of how long they had to do it. But its is pinstripes’ list, so he can do it however he wants.
by aCone419 on Nov 7, 2025 9:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs








