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Bret Saberhagen Prospect Retro

Bret Saberhagen was drafted in the 19th round in 1982, out of high school in Northridge, California. A shortstop/pitcher in high school, he was well-regarded as an athlete, but worries about a sore arm kept him out of the early rounds of the draft.

He made his pro debut in 1983, going 10-5, 2.30 in 16 starts for Fort Myers in the Florida State League, with an 82/19 K/BB in 110 innings. Promoted to Double-A in July, he went 6-2, 2.91 in 11 starts. This was stunning performance for a 19 year old making his pro debut. He impressed everyone with his command of above-average stuff (92-93 fastball, good breaking stuff) and his composure that was well ahead of his years. I'd say you'd have to give him a Grade A- rating at a minimum, and maybe even a straight Grade A.
To go from a 19th round pick who signed late and had injury worries to Top Ten Pitching Prospect in one season was a precursor of things to come.

Sabes made the major league roster out of spring training in 1984. Used as a swingman, he went 10-11, 3.48 in 158 innings (20 relief outings, 18 starts), at age 20. His strikeout rate was rather low, with a 73/36 K/BB, but given his age this was hardly a major flaw. The following year he went 20-6, 2.87 and won the Cy Young Award at age 21, the youngest player so honored.

Saberhagen had problems staying healthy after his mid-20s, and at times he was erratic. But overall he was a very impressive pitcher, dominant at his best with exquisite command of above-average stuff. He finished 167-117 with a 3.34 ERA and ERA+ of 126. Lack of durability keeps him from Hall of Fame consideration, but his peak seasons were impressive indeed. Not bad at all for a 19th round pick. It's interesting to note that while the scouts were right in one way (injuries were a problem), every team had to be kicking themselves for letting him slip so long in the draft.

Complete list of pitchers drafted in the first round in 1982:
Jimmy Jones, RHP, Padres (high school, Texas)
Bryan Oelkers, LHP, Twins (Wichita State)
Dwight Gooden, RHP, Mets (high school, Florida)
Bob Kipper, LHP, Angels (high school, Illinois)
Duane Ward, RHP, Braves  (high school, New Mexico)
Mark Snyder, RHP, Indians (high school, Tennessee)
Rob Parkins, RHP, Red Sox  (high school, California)
Rich Monteleone, RHP, Tigers (high school, Florida)
Todd Worrell, RHP, Cardinals (Biola College)
Scott Jones, LHP, Reds  (high school, Illinois)
Billy Hawley, RHP, Reds  (high school, South Carolina)
Joe Kucharski, RHP, Orioles (University of South Carolina)

The only one of those guys who was in Saberhagen's class was Gooden, who won 194 games but who had his own set of issues.

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Correction
Saberhagen is from Cleveland High School which is in Reseda, CA  

by Con on Apr 16, 2025 11:53 AM EDT   0 recs

Thanks
For this retro. I loved him when I was much younger. Players like Saberhagen are why I have always loved Bill Simmons' idea for revamping the Hall of Fame (http://proxy.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/020108). Saberhagen is a clear Level 1 or even Level 2 guy under this scheme.

by itshissong on Apr 16, 2025 12:18 PM EDT   0 recs

Huh
I thought Gooden won the Cy Young earlier.

If Felix wins it this year, would he be the youngest winner?

by Fett42 on Apr 16, 2025 2:16 PM EDT   0 recs

Looking at it
He was born April 11, 1964, and won the Cy Young in 1985

Felix was born April 8th and just turned 21, so he has a chance at being the youngest ever... might be a bit difficult with Mr. Santana however.

by Fett42 on Apr 16, 2025 2:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Dr. K
Gooden won the Cy Young when he was 20.  Perhaps John meant Saberhagen was the youngest to date when he was awarded the Cy Young.  
Sabes eliminated Tarzana LL by throwing a no-hitter and getting the lone hit - hitting a solo shot off my brother.  He was the Kelly Leak of the San Fernando Valley.        

by Con on Apr 16, 2025 4:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Scratch that
They both won the Cy in '85.  Perhaps youngest in the AL to ever win the award?  I'm working hard for the man with the blog.    

by Con on Apr 16, 2025 4:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I checked the dates
Gooden was in fact 4 months older... it was just considered his age 20 season for some reason and the other guys' age 21.

by Fett42 on Apr 16, 2025 5:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

1985 Cy Young Award Winners
Gooden was born 11/16/64
Saberhagen was born 4/11/64
Gooden is about 6 months younger.  Amazing achievements.  

by Con on Apr 16, 2025 6:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Duane Ward was no Saberhagen but...
was a helluva pitcher for 3 years there.

by Mike Green on Apr 16, 2025 3:07 PM EDT   0 recs

Amazing
that he spent only one year in the minors coming straight out of high school.

It's interesting to see how much the game has changed since then.  Obviously he was a special talent, but I can't envision any prep pitcher spending just one year in the minors, no matter how fantastic he pitches.  

by eazyb81 on Apr 16, 2025 4:27 PM EDT   0 recs

This guy says hi
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/G/Zack-Greinke.shtml

Reached AA in his first full pro season, then took a whole 6 starts to get to the majors in his second.

Lots of similarities between these two, obviously.

by mrkupe on Apr 16, 2025 5:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I would love to see
the doomsday scenario reactions on here if someone did.

by PolkCountyRay on Apr 16, 2025 5:01 PM EDT   0 recs

Long relief "swing man"rookie year
I am a big fan of bringing young arms up to appear as swing men in their rookie seasons. Earl Weaver talks about doing this with many of his young pitchers in his book. Guys like Doyle Alexander, Denny Martinez, and Scott McGregor all were used as swing types in their rookie seaosns by Weaver. It gets these guys big league experience generally being used in less pressured situations. I think it also stretches their arms out the right way. You see so many young guys come up and really struggle thru their first season(obviously some do not) but maybe this could work for some of these guys....I am sure you looked back at some other good pitchers careers that these guys were brought on like this as well.Nolan Ryan in his 2nd season was used as a swing guy.

by gashousegang on Apr 16, 2025 6:07 PM EDT   0 recs

Only problem with this
Today's baseball economics scare a lot of teams away from doing this. Even though it's kind of silly IMO to feel secure that any specific young pitcher will remain healthy enough to reach their arbitration/FA years, teams just aren't inclined to give up one of their "cheap" years for a middle reliever/spot starter.

Otherwise, I totally agree. It's a great way to break a new guy in.

by mrkupe on Apr 16, 2025 7:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

And yet...
Those same teams are willing to spend millions of dollars on completely mediocre "proven" relievers.

by calig23 on Apr 16, 2025 10:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

+1
There's nothing wrong with learning out of the pen.

by count sutton on Apr 16, 2025 8:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Saberhagen's rookie year
He was the first to beat the 84 Tigers after their 9-0 start.  Not a bad way to begin.  

by BIgMax on Apr 16, 2025 6:42 PM EDT   0 recs

Saberhagen
I think people forget just how impressive he was even late in his career with Boston. He had real talent throughout his career with only a couple average or below average seasons mixed in. One has to think that the Royals wore him down though.
  1. 257 IP
  2. 260 2/3 IP
  3. 262 1/3 IP
That's a lot even for guys with no injury history.

by count sutton on Apr 16, 2025 8:05 PM EDT   0 recs

Smart Strategy
While it might not be good for a player's long-term prospects, it makes sense for an organization to work their young, elite pitchers so they can get the most bang for their buck.  

In most cases, the effects from all the wear and tear won't show up until the player has moved on from his original team.  

by eazyb81 on Apr 17, 2025 9:52 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

currently a High School coach
If I remember correctly, Saberhagen is still coaching the Calabasas Coyotes, my old High School. He came into Starbucks once and was very nice and for some reason I called him Mr. Saberhagen when I handed him his latte.

by Sospiro0 on Apr 16, 2025 9:01 PM EDT   0 recs

Gubicza is at Chatsworth
I believe they coached against each other 2 seaosns ago....I thin Sabes coached his kid(who is now at Pepperdine) and Gubes helped out the Chatsworth team....man, the mid 80's Royals had a great young staff: Sabes, Guby, Danny "the human pitching rain delay" Jackson, and Buddy Black....if Mike Jones had not broken his neck we would have a awesome young 5...of course, Leibrandt was a great pick up for us.
Frank Tanana is my all time favorite player and he was a member of VTTigers beloved team....my tribute to VTTigers

by gashousegang on Apr 17, 2025 6:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I remember
Much was made of Saberhagen's up and down performances on odd/even number seasons.

by Bleho65 on Apr 17, 2025 1:16 AM EDT   0 recs

has there been a doc gooden retro?
if not, i think it'd be a good pairing with sabes. i still love saberhagen's 1994 season with the mets when he had 14 wins and 13 walks, with a k:bb ratio a smidge over 10:1.

by DavidWrightismyGod on Apr 18, 2025 1:04 AM EDT   0 recs

At his best Sabes was fantastic.
He had it all - power, command, ability to change speeds, and intelligence.  He could be the dictionary definition of the word "pitcher".

by fishtaco20 on Apr 18, 2025 3:59 PM EDT   0 recs

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