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Pitching: What Do You Look For?


My name is Chris Volstad. I am a young pitcher.

Subjectively, of all the things you look for in a young pitcher at the short-season levels, which is most important? Velocity? Movement? Command? Physical projectability? Intelligence? Confidence? Obviously you have to consider all of these things, but which ones are MOST important?

Objectively, of all the statistics and numbers you look for in a young pitcher at the short-season levels, which is most important? K/BB? K/IP? H/IP? Home run rates? BABIP? GB/FB ratio? Again, obviously you have to consider everything at some point, but is there a number you look at FIRST or that takes precedence over others?

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Command
Command I think is the most important thing.  Putting a pitch where you want it is more important than speed.  Kyle Farnsworth was throwing 100 and getting creamed.  It wasn't until he learned to pitch / hit his spots that he became a decent reliever.  

I tend not to pay attention to Babip, opponent batting average, or H/ip for young pitchers.  K/BB ratio is the one I look at the most.  Walks = unnecessary base runners and poor control of the strike zone.  if you're walking a ton of guys in rookie ball, that's not a good sign for the future.  Strikeouts are a measure of how dominant you are, and in a lot of ways they combine stuff with smarts.  A combination of those two things will tell you what kind of pitcher you're dealing with.  

by Jgaztambide on Jan 24, 2026 12:57 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

interesting...
that you point out Farnsworth....the guy who throws 100 learned some command...will the guy with the great k/w ratio and an 84 MPH fastball learn to throw 100? I think using Farnsworth supports the opposite conclusion, at least partially. i agree with much of your second paragraph though.
casedog

by casejud on Jan 24, 2026 1:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well....
Farnsworth is only one example of a guy who throws 100 and learned control / how to pitch later on.  There are plenty of guys who throw 97+ and can't do diddly with it.  Let's not build an argument on one case.

And I doubt anyone but a handful of pitchers can throw 84 and still be league average or better.  That's why I think k/BB is perfect, because I think it is a great way to encompass stuff, control, and smarts, all into one stat, without looking at luck, defense, ballpark, etc

What I wrote above is the most important thing, btw.  K and BB are independent of things which vary a lot (Ballpark, defense, and luck mostly) whereas ERA, WHIP, H/9, etc, all depend on external factors

by Jgaztambide on Jan 24, 2026 1:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Velocity
Has anyone ever compiled a list of prospects who reportedly throw serious heat (98mph+)?

It would be interesting to take a list of pithcing prospects from five years ago and see how the flamethrowers turned out relative to comparable pitchers (similar peripheral stats) who could 'only' throw in the low 90's or high 80's....

by FI on Jan 24, 2026 9:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Velocity and K/IP
In the very low minors, velocity and K/IP generally reflect talent to a greater degree than the other characteristics.  And I am more interested in talent at the lower levels than I am skills; because the skills can be taught and honed whereas talent cannot.

by Bill on Jan 24, 2026 1:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yep
Second that.

The strikeouts will tell you the command of the zone. And the second part "stuff" determines whether the strikeouts are legit or from facing too many 18-year old versions of myself (swing to slow and too often).

I like the K/IP as opposed to K/BB because it is a purer statistic. With the K/BB rate there is more research that has to be done on each player after you get a quick feel for the numbers. You can't just look at it and go "wow".

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by rockies73 on Jan 24, 2026 1:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Velocity and movement.
In the words of Sandy Koufax: "All they really do is look for the fastball; if you have that, they'll teach you everything else."

by silvysilv on Jan 24, 2026 1:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

OK, but...
That's 50 years ago... have the rules not changed at all?
Sure, the fastball will get you in the door almost every time, but if we're talking about 1st blush projectability of a player already in the door, then  the Koufax quote isn't really relavent anymore.

Personally I look at K/IP, then K/BB, then HR/9IP - all relative to league averages...  miss some bats and keep the ball in the ballpark.

I am reminded of the immortal words of Socrates, who said, "I drank what?"

by kings33 on Jan 24, 2026 2:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I know it may be anti-stathead.
However: take two pitchers with identical motions (injury risk), physique, age, etc., and give one a 100 mph fastball, the other with a 87 mph fastball, but a better K/BB ratio?  I'm going with the flamethrower.  I'm of the opinion that you go for the possible ace over the probably #4-5 every time.

by silvysilv on Jan 24, 2026 3:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not me...
If I'm looking at 2 18 yr olds (we're talking low minors, right?) And I see a pair of identical twins like you brought up, I think you can project a few more MPH for the slower one as his body matures and he gets some professional coaching and strength training just as easily as you project improved control for the flamethrower.

To me, succeeding with lesser tools shows an advanced knowledge of how to pitch, which to me makes tham seem more coachable as well.

I'd develop a ton of #3's, and hope one of them turned out to be a #1...  then take your flamethrower and put him in the bullpen, a la Farnsworth or Wohlers/Rocker

I am reminded of the immortal words of Socrates, who said, "I drank what?"

by kings33 on Jan 24, 2026 3:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not to mention
... that there are, as mentioned in a previous diary on #1 starters, 12-15 of those guys, and maybe 60-90 guys who can fill a #4-5 slot -- even more on just a stopgap basis. I don't know if that means the attrition rate is higher as well, but it's obvious there just aren't many prospects with high ceilings.

by Flynn Blake on Jan 24, 2026 3:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

K/IP, GB/FB, K/BB
Generally speaking, if you have a good K/IP and GB/FB, you will succeed. The degree of your success depends upon how low your walk rate is, unless it is really bad. K/IP indicates that you miss bats, and GB/FB indicates that you have the ability to keep the ball in the ballpark, so ballpark effects will only affect you negligbly. I'm not sure that GB/FB can be taught as much as improving your control can through experience and good pitching coaches.

That's what makes Felix so good. He's got great ratios in all 3.

by jc3 on Jan 24, 2026 1:57 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Slowey vs. Garza
I had a similar discussion recently with Roger, who posts here sometimes, ranking Kevin Slowey against Matt Garza in the Twins system. Garza was drafted in the first round in 2005 because he has a live arm (toping out at 95), yet he's a little rough around the edges. Slowey was drafted in the second round because he is very polished with excellent control, but he tops out at 91. Garza's best comp stuff wise is A J Burnett. Slowey's best comp is Brad Radke.

Of the two, Slowey had the most impressive first season, briefly dominating in the Appy League and then dominating in the Midwest League. Garza took a couple of extra starts to make the jump to the Midwest League and pitched well, but not dominantly, at Beloit.

My judgement is that Garza deserved his draft position and his higher ranking (by me anyway) because he has a higher ceiling. If he can smooth out the rough edges and refine his control, he could be a #2 starter. If he never adds the complementary pitches to make an effective MLB starter, he could at least be a good set-up guy. Slowey might add a foot or two to his fastball if he follows the weight regimine, but he'll never project higher than a #3 or #4 starter. And he projects as a long man in the bullpen if he doesn't crack the starting staff.

cmathewson

by cmathewson on Jan 24, 2026 2:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

K/IP
That is the first thing that jumps out. At a low level I think it is most important for a stud to dominate. K/ip is the most dominating stat for a young pitcher.

It was a short and precise question so it gets a short answer.

by Shamus on Jan 24, 2026 2:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

question
do you care how many batters a pitcher walks at all, or are K's much more important to you?

FWIW, K/BB ratio is the statistic most highly correlated with long term pitcher's success

by Jgaztambide on Jan 24, 2026 2:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

true, with a caveat
Extreme control pitchers with a low K/IP rate can throw that off a bit. Carl Pavano had over a 3 K/BB ratio last year, but only averaged 5 K/9, and he wasn't exactly effective.

Usually, guys with a 6 K/9 or higher are the best bet for success if you are considering K/BB to be the be all and end all. But, it is true that a pitcher CAN be successful with a low K/9 if he has a good K/BB.

by jc3 on Jan 24, 2026 2:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

In a short season
A pitcher only gets 5-10 starts in the first year. BF will be fairly low. I think that total number of strikeouts per innings pitched shows dominance. Especialy if it is a high school pitcher and even a college pitcher. It is the most important thing if I had to choose one stat to show dominance.

by Shamus on Jan 24, 2026 2:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

K/BB ratio = long term success
I completely agree with you at the MLB level and in the higher minors.

However in the lower minors, I would rather see a high K/IP ratio paired with a low K/BB ratio than a high K/BB ratio paired with a low K/IP ratio.

by Bill on Jan 24, 2026 2:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Is this actually true?
I'm curious if you could support this with some evidence?

K/9 correlates better than K/BB at the major league league level for long term pitcher success. Are you referring to the minors then? And if so, could you cite some study indicating this, because I'd very much like to read it.

The reason I'm surprised is because BPro had previously hinted that they were doing research which indicate the opposite, that K/BB was surprisingly uninformative for minor leaguers.

by bibigon on Jan 24, 2026 2:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Movement
I choose movement for a physical attribute. I have always thought that a fastball must be complimented with a breaking ball. So movement on complimentary pitches is the most important.

by Shamus on Jan 24, 2026 2:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

K/IP modified
I really think that K/BF is a better stat to look by itself than K/IP.  A guy could be striking out 10 guys per 9, but walking 5 guys too, therefore having more oppurtunities for K's than a guy who doesnt walk many.  A guy might only have 8 Ks per 9, but he might be striking out a higher percentage of batters than a guy K'ing 10 per 9.

by twill on Jan 24, 2026 2:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

In a short season
A pitcher only gets 5-10 starts in the first year. BF will be fairly low. I think that total number of strikeouts per innings pitched shows dominance. Especialy if it is a high school pitcher and even a college pitcher. It is the most important thing if I had to choose one stat to show dominance.

by Shamus on Jan 24, 2026 2:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Velocity
There really is nothing else that trumps it at the rookie level. But again you have to look at that level you need to look at projected tools, not the radar gun.

The second criteria would be left-handed. You can't teach that.

by TT on Jan 24, 2026 2:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Mechanics
K rates are the most important pitching stat in Rookie Ball; if a guy is not striking many people out, he will almost certainly be a wash. However, if the guy is throwing like a circus geek with corn cob up his sphincter, there will be immediate problems. There was an example of this in Moneyball; the A's drafted some kid, (apparantly unseen) with good numbers, but was a mechanics nightmare and was gone in two years, even with though he pitched well in rookie ball.
J.P.

by bads85 on Jan 24, 2026 3:52 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

K/BF
I think missing bats is the most important skill in a young pitcher. Pitchers can (but not necessarily) learn control. Young pitchers can make alot of mistakes leaving them prone to high HR rates that may not be predictive.

I much prefer K/BF because many factors, including bad defense behind them can raise the BF/IP to obscure real differences in missing bats.

That said, I still am very dubious of any short season numbers. A significant number of the players will never progress as far as hi-A, so you can rack up great K numbers against hitters who have holes in their swings.

by cdamon on Jan 24, 2026 4:02 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

K rates
K/IP and all other K factors are what are most important to me when determining the future success of a young pitcher. I also try and see the pitcher throw if he comes to one of my local minor league parks as there is nothing like seeing a pitcher in person.

by SUjunkie on Jan 24, 2026 4:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Not GB/FB numbers
since the data has been so damn hard to find until this year when BA finally got it included in the stats.

To me, I look in this order

K/BB
K/9
Scouting Report
HR/9
G/F

by UCFKnights on Jan 24, 2026 4:22 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

K Rate
I'm going K/IP too at that age.  If you're missing bats down there you have the potential to continue to do it.  I'm interested in K/BB and H/IP as well, but we have to pick only one.  There have been plenty of examples of good K guys that gain control and the ability to pitch.  In addition, H/IP can be influence by the defense behind them and the park.  

If you're looking for one stat to go on at that age you don't want it to be based on their knowledge of how to pitch or their control.  Both can be learned.  Obviously there are extreme examples (Colt Griffin), but in general terms I'm sticking with K/IP as my starter.

by cswarren2 on Jan 24, 2026 7:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Case Study
I'm going to post a little case study of how I found a  couple of Giants pitching prospects that I am very high on.  Time will tell if I"m correct.

The first think I looked at when the short season rosters came out last June was for birthdates after 1985.  There were two pitchers on the AZL Giants roster that cought my eye, Waldis Joaquin(12-25-1986) and Sharon Martis(03-30-1987).  The next stat I looked at was size.  I noticed that Joaquin(6'2", 190 lbs) is bigger than Martis(6'1", 175 lbs.).  That immediately gave Joaquin a bit of an edge in my mind.  

As the season went along, I followed the daily boxscores and Martis put up some seriously impressive numbers for an 18 yo kid:  2-1, 1.85, 34 IP, 9 BB!!, 50 K's.  Joaguin's numbers weren't bad, but not nearly as impressive:  1-1, 3.64, 29.2 IP, 10 BB, 37 K.  Edge to Martis.

Near the end of the season, there was one boxscore that caught my eye big time.  Joaquin- 3 IP, 0H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 8 K's!!!  Good God!  8 K's in 9 IP?  That means that only 1 batter he faced out of 9 didn't strike out!  Now, I'm still liking Martis' overall numbers, but suddenly Joaquin has my attention big time

Fast forward to BA's Top League Prospects lists.  I see both Joaquin and Martis on the AZL list and I'm really pumped now.  I eagerly jump down to the narrative on both.  Martis has a mid-90's fastball and fairly advanced secondary stuff and command.  Well, mid-90's ain't at all bad and the advanced skills certainly jibes with his numbers.  He's a prospect!!  On Joaquin, I see that BA also noticed the 8 K's in 9 IP and has a little more info to add:  He hit 98 MPH at least 8 times during that outing!!  Whoa!  Now we're talking!  I go back and look at the stats again.  18 yo, big kid, 98 MPH, 10 BB's in 29.2 IP!  Now that's actually pretty darn good control for those circumstances.  Bingo!! Another prospect

Conclusion:  The Giants have two very exciting young pitching prospects in the low minors, Waldis Joaquin and Sharon Martis.  Of the two, I would say that Martis will progress much more rapidly and is more likely, barring injury, to become an impact pitcher in he big leagues.  Joaquin, on the other hand, while progressing a little slower and more likely to hit the wall somewhere, has a higher ceiling and could be a dominant starter or closer one day.

As far as rankings go, it's really a tough call.  BA ranked Joaquin a little higher based on upside.  I ranked Martis just a tad higher due to more advanced skills from a pitcher with almost as good tools.

by DrBGiantsfan on Jan 24, 2026 9:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Oops!
I see I have a couple of typos where I said 8 K's in 9 IP when I should have said 3 IP for Joaquin.  I wish there was an edit function for these posts!

by DrBGiantsfan on Jan 24, 2026 11:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My evaluation priorities...
Posted from a fantasy manager perspective.
  1. K/(H+BB), something I use to determine how well the pitcher is dominating the opposition. 1 or above gets my attention. It's kinda quick, dirty, and boils things down to single number that's easily sorted.
  2. Velocity, I'm a big believer that you have to bring the heat. Low 90s won't do it, the pitcher must have a mid to high 90s FB to make the cut.
  3. Age/Level I prefer pitching prospects who have either made it into their early 20s or who are pitching in AA before I grab them. Felix was the exception when I grabbed him out of RL.
I don't worry about age v comp at all, not like with hitters. I find there are plenty of good pitchers who were relatively late bloomers. Pitchers are just a weird bunch, and sometimes it takes a while for them to put it all together.

Beyond that, I'll check out number of pitches, and K/IP, K/BB...but those all are secondary to the first three.

by beastball on Jan 24, 2026 10:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

K/H+BB
I really like that stat. I hadn't seen it before, buy it makes a lot of sense.

by DrBGiantsfan on Jan 24, 2026 11:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Problems
Pitchers are VERY hard to evaluate based only on stats.  The low minors have a lot of junky pitchers who have good K/BB rates but don't rank as prospects.  A good slider or change-up that gets hitters swinging at pitches out of the zone can produce big K numbers at low A ball.  AA hitters don't chase as much, or sit on the fastball, and if your fastball is average that means trouble.

For low level prospects you need a scouting report to go with the stats.

by Gerry on Jan 24, 2026 11:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree
I think you need a combination of stats plus scouting reports.  Either one by themselves can be very misleading.

by DrBGiantsfan on Jan 24, 2026 11:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Strikeouts
While I usually disregard very low level pitchers, I take notice of great strikeouts.

If those numbers do not drop off the following season, then I watch the pitcher more closely.  

However, I do not trust young pitchers to maintian their dominance and health as the climb the organizational ladder.

When one does, he becomes a contender.

Unfortunately, this method means it takes a pitcher a few years to reach that level.

by ephinz on Jan 25, 2026 7:54 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

K's are good, but not enough
While I do agree that stats such as K/IP and K:BB are very useful in spotting an effective pitcher, I think it can also be short-sighted to rely solely on these stats. Effective finesse pitchers and ground ball pitchers do exist at lower levels, (although they do admittedly have a historically smaller chance of being an effective MLB pitcher), and they would be overlooked if players are evaluated based on Ks alone.  Certain pitchers are effective by keeping batters off balance, and inducing weak contact.  An example would be Dontrelle Willis, who averaged around 7 Ks per 9 in rookie ball and A ball (decent, but wouldn't pop out at anyone reading a stat sheet), but is effective, probably due to his unorthadox windup.

I guess my point is: scouting should not be discounted.  It is probably just as important as the K rates when evaluating young talent.

by SmokeyJoeWood on Jan 25, 2026 9:35 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Though I Lean Towards Stats
I think projection is critical with a pitcher.  In a recent diary, guys brought up how pitchers in Low A or Rookie Ball with high K rates are a dime a dozen.

Keep in mind, scouts have to get a feel for whether a pitcher will develop pitches to maintain a starter or move to the pen.  Many pitchers can get by in the lower levels with one plus pitch and another good pitch.  To be an effective MLB starter, you need at least three.  While it's not an exact science, scouts look for this and the box score will not tell you that story at lower levels.

by count sutton on Jan 25, 2026 9:55 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

initial sort
k/ip

next the makeup of the guy by scouting reports in order of rank: velocity, command, movement, projectability.  Other statistics and makeup may override low k/ip after looking at the guy closer, but I lean towards the philosophy that if he can't fool the low level guys yet, its going to be pretty difficult to fool more experienced guys.

Not always true, but often enough that it seems darn difficult to consistently find gems that don't have impressive low minors k-rates. Key word consistent.

by roaddog on Jan 25, 2026 1:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

young ptichers
things i look for in young pitchers that might be be future studs.

1- their delivery. I dont want any major arum troubles in the future so i like pitchers with smooth, easy, fluid deliveries and mechanics.

2- they need to have have the makings of at least two plus pitches. A little polish is necessary.

3- K/9IP ratio. There stuff needs to dominate the low minors.

4- Size, pedigree and makeup/worth ethic.

by npurcell on Jan 25, 2026 10:00 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

for me:
mechanics - pitchers with sound pitching motions avoid injury better, have better stamina, and should develop better control, velocity, and secondary pitches (I think, not an expert)

velocity - having a good fastball seems to be the best single tool for missing bats.

stats - track record that represents success against peers with k/ip and k/bb as the most prominent stats.

makeup - composure, work ethic, feel for pitching

by steve johnson on Jan 25, 2026 10:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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