Pitching: What Do You Look For?
My name is Chris Volstad. I am a young pitcher.
Subjectively, of all the things you look for in a young pitcher at the short-season levels, which is most important? Velocity? Movement? Command? Physical projectability? Intelligence? Confidence? Obviously you have to consider all of these things, but which ones are MOST important?
Objectively, of all the statistics and numbers you look for in a young pitcher at the short-season levels, which is most important? K/BB? K/IP? H/IP? Home run rates? BABIP? GB/FB ratio? Again, obviously you have to consider everything at some point, but is there a number you look at FIRST or that takes precedence over others?
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Command
I tend not to pay attention to Babip, opponent batting average, or H/ip for young pitchers. K/BB ratio is the one I look at the most. Walks = unnecessary base runners and poor control of the strike zone. if you're walking a ton of guys in rookie ball, that's not a good sign for the future. Strikeouts are a measure of how dominant you are, and in a lot of ways they combine stuff with smarts. A combination of those two things will tell you what kind of pitcher you're dealing with.
by Jgaztambide on Jan 24, 2026 12:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
interesting...
by casejud on Jan 24, 2026 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well....
And I doubt anyone but a handful of pitchers can throw 84 and still be league average or better. That's why I think k/BB is perfect, because I think it is a great way to encompass stuff, control, and smarts, all into one stat, without looking at luck, defense, ballpark, etc
What I wrote above is the most important thing, btw. K and BB are independent of things which vary a lot (Ballpark, defense, and luck mostly) whereas ERA, WHIP, H/9, etc, all depend on external factors
by Jgaztambide on Jan 24, 2026 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Velocity
It would be interesting to take a list of pithcing prospects from five years ago and see how the flamethrowers turned out relative to comparable pitchers (similar peripheral stats) who could 'only' throw in the low 90's or high 80's....
by FI on Jan 24, 2026 9:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Velocity and K/IP
by Bill on Jan 24, 2026 1:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yep
The strikeouts will tell you the command of the zone. And the second part "stuff" determines whether the strikeouts are legit or from facing too many 18-year old versions of myself (swing to slow and too often).
I like the K/IP as opposed to K/BB because it is a purer statistic. With the K/BB rate there is more research that has to be done on each player after you get a quick feel for the numbers. You can't just look at it and go "wow".
by rockies73 on Jan 24, 2026 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Velocity and movement.
by silvysilv on Jan 24, 2026 1:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
OK, but...
Sure, the fastball will get you in the door almost every time, but if we're talking about 1st blush projectability of a player already in the door, then the Koufax quote isn't really relavent anymore.
Personally I look at K/IP, then K/BB, then HR/9IP - all relative to league averages... miss some bats and keep the ball in the ballpark.
by kings33 on Jan 24, 2026 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know it may be anti-stathead.
by silvysilv on Jan 24, 2026 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not me...
To me, succeeding with lesser tools shows an advanced knowledge of how to pitch, which to me makes tham seem more coachable as well.
I'd develop a ton of #3's, and hope one of them turned out to be a #1... then take your flamethrower and put him in the bullpen, a la Farnsworth or Wohlers/Rocker
by kings33 on Jan 24, 2026 3:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention
by Flynn Blake on Jan 24, 2026 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
K/IP, GB/FB, K/BB
That's what makes Felix so good. He's got great ratios in all 3.
by jc3 on Jan 24, 2026 1:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Slowey vs. Garza
Of the two, Slowey had the most impressive first season, briefly dominating in the Appy League and then dominating in the Midwest League. Garza took a couple of extra starts to make the jump to the Midwest League and pitched well, but not dominantly, at Beloit.
My judgement is that Garza deserved his draft position and his higher ranking (by me anyway) because he has a higher ceiling. If he can smooth out the rough edges and refine his control, he could be a #2 starter. If he never adds the complementary pitches to make an effective MLB starter, he could at least be a good set-up guy. Slowey might add a foot or two to his fastball if he follows the weight regimine, but he'll never project higher than a #3 or #4 starter. And he projects as a long man in the bullpen if he doesn't crack the starting staff.
by cmathewson on Jan 24, 2026 2:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
K/IP
It was a short and precise question so it gets a short answer.
by Shamus on Jan 24, 2026 2:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
question
FWIW, K/BB ratio is the statistic most highly correlated with long term pitcher's success
by Jgaztambide on Jan 24, 2026 2:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
true, with a caveat
Usually, guys with a 6 K/9 or higher are the best bet for success if you are considering K/BB to be the be all and end all. But, it is true that a pitcher CAN be successful with a low K/9 if he has a good K/BB.
by jc3 on Jan 24, 2026 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In a short season
by Shamus on Jan 24, 2026 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
K/BB ratio = long term success
However in the lower minors, I would rather see a high K/IP ratio paired with a low K/BB ratio than a high K/BB ratio paired with a low K/IP ratio.
by Bill on Jan 24, 2026 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is this actually true?
K/9 correlates better than K/BB at the major league league level for long term pitcher success. Are you referring to the minors then? And if so, could you cite some study indicating this, because I'd very much like to read it.
The reason I'm surprised is because BPro had previously hinted that they were doing research which indicate the opposite, that K/BB was surprisingly uninformative for minor leaguers.
by bibigon on Jan 24, 2026 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Movement
by Shamus on Jan 24, 2026 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
K/IP modified
by twill on Jan 24, 2026 2:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
In a short season
by Shamus on Jan 24, 2026 2:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Velocity
The second criteria would be left-handed. You can't teach that.
by TT on Jan 24, 2026 2:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Mechanics
by bads85 on Jan 24, 2026 3:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
K/BF
I much prefer K/BF because many factors, including bad defense behind them can raise the BF/IP to obscure real differences in missing bats.
That said, I still am very dubious of any short season numbers. A significant number of the players will never progress as far as hi-A, so you can rack up great K numbers against hitters who have holes in their swings.
by cdamon on Jan 24, 2026 4:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
K rates
by SUjunkie on Jan 24, 2026 4:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Not GB/FB numbers
To me, I look in this order
K/BB
K/9
Scouting Report
HR/9
G/F
by UCFKnights on Jan 24, 2026 4:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
K Rate
If you're looking for one stat to go on at that age you don't want it to be based on their knowledge of how to pitch or their control. Both can be learned. Obviously there are extreme examples (Colt Griffin), but in general terms I'm sticking with K/IP as my starter.
by cswarren2 on Jan 24, 2026 7:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Case Study
The first think I looked at when the short season rosters came out last June was for birthdates after 1985. There were two pitchers on the AZL Giants roster that cought my eye, Waldis Joaquin(12-25-1986) and Sharon Martis(03-30-1987). The next stat I looked at was size. I noticed that Joaquin(6'2", 190 lbs) is bigger than Martis(6'1", 175 lbs.). That immediately gave Joaquin a bit of an edge in my mind.
As the season went along, I followed the daily boxscores and Martis put up some seriously impressive numbers for an 18 yo kid: 2-1, 1.85, 34 IP, 9 BB!!, 50 K's. Joaguin's numbers weren't bad, but not nearly as impressive: 1-1, 3.64, 29.2 IP, 10 BB, 37 K. Edge to Martis.
Near the end of the season, there was one boxscore that caught my eye big time. Joaquin- 3 IP, 0H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 8 K's!!! Good God! 8 K's in 9 IP? That means that only 1 batter he faced out of 9 didn't strike out! Now, I'm still liking Martis' overall numbers, but suddenly Joaquin has my attention big time
Fast forward to BA's Top League Prospects lists. I see both Joaquin and Martis on the AZL list and I'm really pumped now. I eagerly jump down to the narrative on both. Martis has a mid-90's fastball and fairly advanced secondary stuff and command. Well, mid-90's ain't at all bad and the advanced skills certainly jibes with his numbers. He's a prospect!! On Joaquin, I see that BA also noticed the 8 K's in 9 IP and has a little more info to add: He hit 98 MPH at least 8 times during that outing!! Whoa! Now we're talking! I go back and look at the stats again. 18 yo, big kid, 98 MPH, 10 BB's in 29.2 IP! Now that's actually pretty darn good control for those circumstances. Bingo!! Another prospect
Conclusion: The Giants have two very exciting young pitching prospects in the low minors, Waldis Joaquin and Sharon Martis. Of the two, I would say that Martis will progress much more rapidly and is more likely, barring injury, to become an impact pitcher in he big leagues. Joaquin, on the other hand, while progressing a little slower and more likely to hit the wall somewhere, has a higher ceiling and could be a dominant starter or closer one day.
As far as rankings go, it's really a tough call. BA ranked Joaquin a little higher based on upside. I ranked Martis just a tad higher due to more advanced skills from a pitcher with almost as good tools.
by DrBGiantsfan on Jan 24, 2026 9:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Oops!
by DrBGiantsfan on Jan 24, 2026 11:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My evaluation priorities...
- K/(H+BB), something I use to determine how well the pitcher is dominating the opposition. 1 or above gets my attention. It's kinda quick, dirty, and boils things down to single number that's easily sorted.
- Velocity, I'm a big believer that you have to bring the heat. Low 90s won't do it, the pitcher must have a mid to high 90s FB to make the cut.
- Age/Level I prefer pitching prospects who have either made it into their early 20s or who are pitching in AA before I grab them. Felix was the exception when I grabbed him out of RL.
Beyond that, I'll check out number of pitches, and K/IP, K/BB...but those all are secondary to the first three.
by beastball on Jan 24, 2026 10:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
K/H+BB
by DrBGiantsfan on Jan 24, 2026 11:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Problems
For low level prospects you need a scouting report to go with the stats.
by Gerry on Jan 24, 2026 11:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree
by DrBGiantsfan on Jan 24, 2026 11:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Strikeouts
If those numbers do not drop off the following season, then I watch the pitcher more closely.
However, I do not trust young pitchers to maintian their dominance and health as the climb the organizational ladder.
When one does, he becomes a contender.
Unfortunately, this method means it takes a pitcher a few years to reach that level.
by ephinz on Jan 25, 2026 7:54 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
K's are good, but not enough
I guess my point is: scouting should not be discounted. It is probably just as important as the K rates when evaluating young talent.
by SmokeyJoeWood on Jan 25, 2026 9:35 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Though I Lean Towards Stats
Keep in mind, scouts have to get a feel for whether a pitcher will develop pitches to maintain a starter or move to the pen. Many pitchers can get by in the lower levels with one plus pitch and another good pitch. To be an effective MLB starter, you need at least three. While it's not an exact science, scouts look for this and the box score will not tell you that story at lower levels.
by count sutton on Jan 25, 2026 9:55 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
initial sort
next the makeup of the guy by scouting reports in order of rank: velocity, command, movement, projectability. Other statistics and makeup may override low k/ip after looking at the guy closer, but I lean towards the philosophy that if he can't fool the low level guys yet, its going to be pretty difficult to fool more experienced guys.
Not always true, but often enough that it seems darn difficult to consistently find gems that don't have impressive low minors k-rates. Key word consistent.
by roaddog on Jan 25, 2026 1:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
young ptichers
1- their delivery. I dont want any major arum troubles in the future so i like pitchers with smooth, easy, fluid deliveries and mechanics.
2- they need to have have the makings of at least two plus pitches. A little polish is necessary.
3- K/9IP ratio. There stuff needs to dominate the low minors.
4- Size, pedigree and makeup/worth ethic.
by npurcell on Jan 25, 2026 10:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
for me:
velocity - having a good fastball seems to be the best single tool for missing bats.
stats - track record that represents success against peers with k/ip and k/bb as the most prominent stats.
makeup - composure, work ethic, feel for pitching
by steve johnson on Jan 25, 2026 10:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
in my opinion
by Isisaston on Dec 9, 2025 8:22 AM EST reply actions 0 recs





