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Update and Questions

Bogged down with a couple of research projects, conducting two interviews, giving another one, sickness, and a computer problem that defied resolution for several hours and is still troublesome. IAs a result, I am even further behind on my writing now. The good news is that there will be a lot of material in the coming days, starting with the Lyles/Gibson Smackdown tomorrow.


Various Quick Random Thoughts:

Apparently (and not surprisingly) Alex Gordon is on the trade block. Perhaps I am just stubborn, but I still think he has it in him to be a very good player, and that getting the heck out of Kansas City increases the chance of that happening.

What am I missing with Kevin Slowey? Why are the Twins thinking about trading him? I know he's got durability issues but I still like the guy. What am I missing here?

To answer a question I've received over email a few times in the last few days, Yes, I am concerned about Domonic Brown's wrist injury impacting his power development, at least in the short run.

With thesethoughts from Rob Neyer and Daniel Moroz in mind, here is a question: are some hitters with poor plate discipline ever HARMED by attempting to improve that discipline? I have a specific failed prospect (not a current one) in mind as I ponder this. More in a few days. 

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Is the prospect Brandon Wood?

go long with extenze...i do

by angelsownredsux on Mar 10, 2026 5:36 PM EST reply actions  

"Not current"

Hensley Meulens was the name that popped into my head, although his semi-contemporary Yankee Kevin Maas kind of fits the bill too.

by realitypolice on Mar 10, 2026 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

no

naw, more recent than that.

by John Sickels on Mar 10, 2026 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

How about

Wily Mo Pena?

by realitypolice on Mar 10, 2026 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Failed prospect (not a current one)

Would Delmon Young fall into this category? I am picturing a person thats not even in the major leagues anymore.

by Kenneth Arthur on Mar 11, 2026 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Joel Guzman.

That’s all I got, but he’s still unbelievably only 25 or 26 so I don’t know.

by Kenneth Arthur on Mar 11, 2026 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Corey Patterson and/or

Felix Pie?

Gordon’s a good gamble for someone out there IMO…I’m really not sure wtf happened to him…

by SenorGato on Mar 10, 2026 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

no

No but good guesses.

by John Sickels on Mar 11, 2026 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Given his original organization

You aren’t thinking of Bobby Kielty, are you?

by realitypolice on Mar 11, 2026 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

E aybar

Brandon Wood 4 Prez

by miketrout on Mar 11, 2026 1:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Dallas McPherson?

(there are a lot of Angels among these answers)

by PrincetonCubs on Mar 11, 2026 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

maybe not

he K’d a lot, but doesn’t meet Moroz’s criteria I think

by PrincetonCubs on Mar 11, 2026 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Got cut off there...

I am probably mistaking him for somebody else (judging by his career minor league walk rate, I probably am) but I thought there was a highly-rated White Sox prospect that fit the description.

by ThomasG on Mar 11, 2026 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Really?

The dude’s best skill from the day he left the Beach (and even before for that matter) was plate discipline. If anything, he was messed up by trying to get more aggressive.

by realitypolice on Mar 11, 2026 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

nope

nobody has it yet

by John Sickels on Mar 11, 2026 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Alex Gordon could be a good fit for the Royals in 2-3 years, when he doesn't have all the pressure on him.

Heck, maybe even next year with a lineup of Butler/Mous/Hosmer. It helps to have other guys around you that don’t suck. I mean, Gordon didn’t even suck 2 years ago, his development path wasn’t that much different than what we’re seeing with Jay Bruce, except injury.

If he went to a good team, I think he would do good. A la Nick Swisher and the Yankees.

by Kenneth Arthur on Mar 10, 2026 6:15 PM EST reply actions  

swisher was good before he went to the yankees

he had one unlucky season with the white sox

Fire Everyone

by billybeingbilly on Mar 10, 2026 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

What pressure does Gordon have?

Other than internal pressure to not be a bust? No one in KC is counting on him to lead them to the postseason this year. Frankly, I don’t think most KC fans are really expecting much at all from him at this point. If he figures it out great, but most are counting on Butler and Kila at the MLB level, and looking forward to the top prospects.

by deezle on Mar 11, 2026 8:49 AM EST up reply actions  

i haven't seen anywhere that says Gordon is on the block

teams are trying to buy low on him. not going to happen.

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by doublestix on Mar 10, 2026 6:42 PM EST reply actions  

Disagree

He needs to get out of Kansas City. Now. Yesterday.

"Most overrated prospect in the minors." -- Bravesin07 on Madison Bumgarner

by criminal type on Mar 11, 2026 12:13 AM EST up reply actions  

And...

More directly to your point, I don’t think he has much value now and I don’t think he’ll ever have much value.

"Most overrated prospect in the minors." -- Bravesin07 on Madison Bumgarner

by criminal type on Mar 11, 2026 12:13 AM EST up reply actions  

based on what?

he’s had extremely unlucky injury problems — therefore he needs traded?

makes sense to me.

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by doublestix on Mar 11, 2026 1:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Honestly

I’m biased having over-invested in him in fantasy year back, but it seemed to me that injury derailed the big “breakout” year, and hes had some flashes of brilliance.

Personally, I think he would have been fine last year if they hadn’t decided to make him change positions. I can think of a dozen teams that could probably afford to give him 500 ABs this year to see what he has in him, and if Reynolds was available for two middle relievers I can’t imagine a high price tag.

by ADLC on Mar 10, 2026 7:53 PM EST reply actions  

KC needs

Royals are looking for a young catcher, according to MLBTRADERUMORS. I can see a couple of teams matching up. Reds with Mesoraco and Grandal. Cards with Bryan Anderson; Nats with Ramos, Flores, Norris. Jays with Perez, Arencibia, D’Arnaud.

by Ghost_of_Brien_Taylor on Mar 10, 2026 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Well.

At this point I dont think Gordon get a top100 return type guy. But Ramos for Gordon would make a nice match.

by ADLC on Mar 10, 2026 8:55 PM EST reply actions  

i'd really hope

that the royals could get more than ramos for gordon. that said, i’ve never been huge on wilson.

by toonsterwu on Mar 11, 2026 1:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I dont know

Hes a corner outfielder at this point, and as much as I love him, I think most GMs regard him as a lottery ticket guy at this point.

by ADLC on Mar 11, 2026 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Slowey

Twins have 5 other SPs that, to them, might make more sense to keep. Liriano and Pavano don’t really need explanation. Baker seems to be favored by the Twins (Opening Day starter last year) and strikes out more guys. He also might get less back with his bigger salary. Blackburn has 3 years and a lot of money left on his deal (and wouldn’t command anything in a trade). Duensing seems to be a favorite as well and has certainly performed (regression to come) so far. He’ll also be cheaper. Add Gibson as a guy who seems ready or close to ready, and the Twins probably would like to trade a starter. Slowey just seems like the guy they’d like to get rid of- at least that’s my interpretation

by anjichpa on Mar 10, 2026 11:01 PM EST reply actions  

+1

the twins have a lot of depth, and they’ll need to free up a spot for Gibson who should have a higher ceiling than everyone except Liriano (possibly Pavano when he’s good)

by bk11 on Mar 10, 2026 11:27 PM EST up reply actions  

slowey

I would take Slowey over Blackburn and Duensing any day.

by John Sickels on Mar 11, 2026 12:06 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

+1

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-cubs-wrigley-bound/

by cubsfan1 on Mar 11, 2026 7:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Slowey and Duensing

can’t stirke a lot out. Both have K/9’s in like the 5’s. Difference is Slowey has a GB rate in the 30s where Duensing is in the mid 40s.

by Lolmoarpl0x on Mar 11, 2026 9:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Kidding

Duensing has a GB rate exactly at 50 percent

by Lolmoarpl0x on Mar 11, 2026 9:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Were you also kidding about Slowey's K/9 in the 5's?

Because he has never posted a k/9 under 6.35 in either the majors or minors. Nor has he ever posted a BB/9 rate over 1.68 in the majors. Slowey could still be a very good pitcher.

Cub Fan - Bud Man

by Orangeman94 on Mar 11, 2026 11:23 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Thats funny

LOOK PEOPLE

Slowey wasn’t 100% at ANY point last year

and he STILL had a 6.35 K per 9 NOT “5 something” I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if this year he has a 7 something K/9 …. and over 175 IP if starter

Nishi to Alexi = Double Play

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Mar 15, 2026 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

How would this even be in question?

Slowey isnt spectacular but at least he is phenomenal at one aspect of pitching; control. I don’t see Blackburn or Duensing being great at any one thing.

by Kenneth Arthur on Mar 11, 2026 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

Well said John well said

I’d take Slowey over Blackburn and Duesning AND Baker all day any day in the Rotation….

Nishi to Alexi = Double Play

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Mar 15, 2026 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I remember in a BA podcast, one of their favorite failed prospects with poor plate discipline was Andujar Cedeno

by gore51 on Mar 11, 2026 11:44 AM EST reply actions  

When you say a failed prospect...

do you mean that they are now out of baseball, or just have no chance (i.e. too old) to be considered a prospect again?

by dbreer23 on Mar 11, 2026 12:12 PM EST reply actions  

JS said above it's someone who's not in the majors now...

I had missed that the first time through myself.

by dbreer23 on Mar 11, 2026 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

My guess...

Jason Stokes

by dbreer23 on Mar 11, 2026 1:28 PM EST reply actions  

nope

Nope but this is fun. Keep guessing.

HINT: not a first baseman or outfielder.

by John Sickels on Mar 11, 2026 1:49 PM EST reply actions  

Ben Davis?

Big Sexy

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by King Billy Royal on Mar 11, 2026 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember when I first started paying attenion to prospects

that I really liked 3 catchers who were coming up thru the minors. Davis, Petrick and Pat Cline.

by hrv2010 on Mar 11, 2026 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m going to bet it’s one of those 3 but most likely the answer is Davis.

by hrv2010 on Mar 11, 2026 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

My next guess

was originally Sean Burroughs, but he had OBP values of .380+ all the way thru the minors…if anything, SD wanted to make him more aggressive.

So I’ll guess another catcher named Ben…Petrick

(I really think KBR nailed it with Davis, though.)

by dbreer23 on Mar 11, 2026 2:24 PM EST reply actions  

Billy Rowell

( I honestly don’t think hes the answer, just like any opportunity to label him a failure)

by ADLC on Mar 11, 2026 2:28 PM EST reply actions  

ok, ok

Angel Berroa.

by John Sickels on Mar 11, 2026 3:54 PM EST reply actions  

Trick question!

You said poor plate discipline, not zero plate discipline.

by ThomasG on Mar 11, 2026 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I was going to guess him

The ROY award made me think he was ineligible and he never really developed discipline.

Big Sexy

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by King Billy Royal on Mar 11, 2026 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

I never thought of Berroa, but I thought this would be a player who had no success in the Show…

by dbreer23 on Mar 11, 2026 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

berroa

My thinking was that the more people told him to control the strike zone, the more confused he looked.

by John Sickels on Mar 11, 2026 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I think people have given up on telling Juan Francisco to control the strike zone.

Because he just eats them whenever they try.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Mar 13, 2026 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dang.

Angel Berroa ROY season he had 4 WAR.
His career WAR? 3.2!

by Kenneth Arthur on Mar 11, 2026 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats impressive

I mean, seriously impressive. Seems almost statistically impossible really.

by ADLC on Mar 11, 2026 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

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