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Gio Gonzalez traded to Nationals

For Brad Peacock, A.J. Cole, Derek Norris and Tom Milone.


This is a huge haul for the Athletics in my opinion, they've really restocked their farm system between this and the Cahill trade. Peacock and Milone can slot right into the rotation this year (with Parker not far away), Cole gives them a high upside arm for the future, and Norris will most likely step in as catcher in 2013 when Kurt Suzuki is inevitably traded.

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Wow

this is great for the As

go long with extenze...i do

by angelsownredsux on Dec 22, 2025 4:54 PM EST reply actions  

Heck of a return

Not that I love Peacock, or that I think Milone is all that great, but I didn’t think they could get Cole AND those two, plus Norris. Just wow. Honestly, I prefer this return, slightly, to the Latos return, and Latos is easily the better arm (obviously, different trades, as the Padres trade focused on positional assets).

Just wow. I understand why Rizzo made the move, but ouch. They better solidify the top of the lineup to make a push in 2012/2013.

by toonsterwu on Dec 22, 2025 4:56 PM EST reply actions  

+1

I would take this quartet of prospects as well

go long with extenze...i do

by angelsownredsux on Dec 22, 2025 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

yuk

Giving up Cole was a mistake IMO, the Nats would have been much better off with Peacock and Milone in the rotation this year, and maybe Cole is ready next season. You already have your ace, why you would trade your controlled rotation depth behind him makes no sense to me. They are trying to take a shortcut to try and contend, but this is going to really hurt them in the next few years. Gio is being WAY overvalued

by GoldenSpikes24 on Dec 22, 2025 5:05 PM EST reply actions  

Spectacular haul for Oakland

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by MonkeyEpoxy on Dec 22, 2025 5:10 PM EST reply actions  

The Nats made a mistake.

Unless they sign Fielder, but it could still be a mistake.

by mr. maniac on Dec 22, 2025 5:11 PM EST reply actions  

Good Not Great Return

I’d probably take the Padres return mainly because it is based around two top hitting prospects rather than two top pitching prospects.

I’ll also add that Latos is not easily the better pitcher. It is pretty close. Both are #2 starters IMO and I might take Gonzalez.

As for the return:
Cole is probably 2 years away from the majors. So much can go wrong between now and then. Although I will say I do like Cole. The kid throws strikes. That will make it so much easier when moving up the ladder.

Peacock needs to refine his command and polish his changeup. I like him but it will be interesting to see how quickly he can make adjustments. I also don’t like that his fastball is fairly straight but his curveball is very good. You can tell why he dominated minor league hitters.

Derek Norris is boom or bust. His defense has improved to where it might be major league average. He needs to hit, though. The power is nice but he has to make good contact first.

Tom Milone got results in the minors but major leaguers can hit pitchability guys a lot better than minor leaguers can.

Overall it is a nice haul for Beane. There is plenty of talent there. However, there isn’t a really top notch prospect in the group. The Padres got two better guys in Grandal and Alonso.
I will say that I didn’t think Gio Gonzalez was a top notch guy when he was coming up. He was certainly a top 50-75 prospect and I liked his stuff but his control issues always worried me to where I never felt quite comfortable penciling him into Oakland’s future rotation for sure.

For the Nationals, they get 3 somewhat cheap years of Gonzalez to go with Strasburg and Zimmerman. Not bad with Harper and Rendon on their way. Peacock and Cole are all potential. You can’t just say the Nats gave up two rotation arms. They haven’t proven themselves in the majors yet. What the Nats got back is a legit #2 major league starter.

by UncleBuck44 on Dec 22, 2025 5:21 PM EST reply actions  

Why would you consider taking Gio over Latos?

Latos gets more k’s, much better control, and a much better FIP.

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by King Billy Royal on Dec 22, 2025 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I just said might, nothing concrete

Gio doesn’t have the shoulder concerns. I realize Latos never had a major problem. He just had to be shut down with shoulder soreness and he didn’t miss anytime the rest of the way. But he also missed time in 2008 with a shoulder injury. Anything involving the shoulder scares me. And now he is in Dusty’s control.

Also Gonzalez has shown a lot of improvement since coming into the majors. I like the direction he is headed. Especially since he added the 2 seamer. That isn’t an easy pitch to control, especially for a lefty who already gets natural tail on the ball and doesn’t have great control. But Gonzalez has become a much better pitcher since adding that pitch.

Also, they both strike out about the same amount so I don’t see much in Latos’ favor there. They both are swing and miss guys. It isn’t like one is Brad Radke and the other is John Smoltz.

Either way you go you are getting a #2 starter. I just don’t think Latos is “easily” better than Gonzalez as one poster said. That is all.
I also don’t think I’d give up either package for either pitcher. The packages the Reds and Nats gave up is for a #1 starter that you know can win you a game in the postseason. I don’t see Latos and Gonzalez as those kinds of guys right now.

by UncleBuck44 on Dec 22, 2025 5:47 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

From Ben Badler

“Nationals did well trading for Gio Gonzalez. Gave up some interesting guys, but doubtful any of them will be as good as Gio.”

I think Cole has the potential to be as good but he is SOOO far away from that time that it is really difficult to get upset about losing him if you are a Nats fan. He still has a lot to work on.

I said I probably wouldn’t have made this trade but I’m not too sure of that now(5 minutes later haha). It is always nice to have a bird in the hand, except Gio provides more than a small advantage.

by UncleBuck44 on Dec 22, 2025 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

BA seems to have an irrational dislike for Peacock

I say Peacock will be a better SP than Gio by 2013. Then again, I’ve never been a huge fan of Gio. He seems like a ticking time bomb with that complete lack of control. Gio seems too much like Oliver Perez.

I really think the Nats are going to hate the fact they did this deal.

by guru4u on Dec 22, 2025 6:22 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I agree with most of what you said

Just like in the case of the Cincinnati/San Diego swap, I like the deal very much for both sides. Four years of relatively cost effective control over a pitcher of Gio Gonzalez shouldn’t come cheap & it didn’t. As much as I like Brad Peacock & am intrigued by the potential upside of AJ Cole, this deal is a good one for Washington to me. Overvaluing one’s own prospects can be just as dangerous as playing loose with them really & when a young, frontline starter with almost a half decade of team control is available, I’ll usually applaud the team that acquires said player & not get mired in the minutia.

Even though there isn’t a Jarrod Parker type talent here, I ldo like this package better than what was acquiesced to Oakland when the A’s dealt Trevor Cahill to Arizona though. Oakland has seen an infusion of talent over the last couple of weeks, & I think Parker, Peacock & Tom Milone will be fun guys to watch.

Like the Mat Latos trade, I like deals like this that make sense for both sides.

by Matt0330 on Dec 22, 2025 7:39 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Im a little concerned about Milone.

88mph average FB. Makes me worry.

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by Syphon on Dec 22, 2025 5:57 PM EST reply actions  

any comps for successful pitchers with his profile?

Just praying that he’s not the next Jeremy Sowers. I’d even take Kevin Slowey…but Slowey might have been a bit higher ranked back in the day.

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by The Congo Hammer on Dec 22, 2025 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

How about Buehrle as a comp?

“B” throws < 88mph, good curve, good control. Just sayin’.

by McRatSandwich on Dec 22, 2025 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

didn't he used to throw harder though?

He was never a strikeout pitcher, but as a prospect Im pretty sure he threw more like low-mid 90s and just became more of a junkballer as his velocity declined when he got older.

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by The Congo Hammer on Dec 22, 2025 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

What about J.A. Happ with better control?

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by OldProspects on Dec 23, 2025 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

*much much better control

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by OldProspects on Dec 23, 2025 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

He's

probably only a #5 starter if that, but he’s also the worst prospect in a very impressive package.

Big win for the Nats in my opinion.

by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 22, 2025 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I tend to agree

Oakland did pretty well too but if forced to choose, give me Washington’s end of this.

by Matt0330 on Dec 22, 2025 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

he'll be good, i don't see how he won't be at least that of John Lannan and Paul Maholm.

I think Milone will have a few ‘career years’ where he’s a solid #3 starter, but always a solid 4-5 guy.

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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Dec 23, 2025 3:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Yup

guys who had average fb velocity below or equal to Milone’s (in a small sample admittedly, 87.9) last year include Capuano, Maholm, Buehrle, Tomlin, Lilly, Wolf, Vargas, Marcum, all 1.3 WAR or better, which may not sound like much but 1.3 WAR for Lilly, in a bad year, was 83rd among all starters in baseball. That’s a number 3 or a good 4, albeit mostly just due to innings.

Vargas may be a good comp. But frankly none of these guys had a triple A k/bb over 9 like Milone. Ian Kennedy only throws 89, and he’s righty. Not all of these guys are comps, obviously. Just saying it is conceivable to throw 88 and succeed, being lefty helps, and he wasn’t half bad in a cup of coffee either. AL will be tough, but Oakland helps.

Milone may not have huge upside, little room for error, etc., but he COULD end up a decent-ish 3 type. His control was freakishly good and it ain’t like AAA batters are all complete complete duds. And this was the 4th guy in the deal.

by wobatus on Dec 23, 2025 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

selection bias right?

what about all the guys who had average fb velocity below or equal to Milone’s who never made it to the majors?

by blue bulldog on Dec 23, 2025 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

True

But then again, how many of those guys who never made it to the majors had a 10+/0.9 k/bb per 9 at age 24 in AAA, and a 15/4 k/bb rate in a September cup of coffee in the majors? The answer is zero. Even Yusmeiro Petit made it to the majors, the poster boy for soft-tossing freakish k/bb raes, but he never put up the rates Milone did in AAA either.

by wobatus on Dec 28, 2025 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

9.4/0.97

That’s Milone’s actual k/bb/9 rates in AAA.

by wobatus on Dec 28, 2025 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Gonzalez

is a 4-5 WAR player right now. He’s 26 next season. 200 IP of 130 ERA+ is hard to find, especially when it’s under team control and affordable. I think the Nats definitely paid retail, but that’s worth it when you’re getting a high end pitcher.

by GuyinNY on Dec 22, 2025 6:36 PM EST reply actions  

5 WAR?

I think it’s fair to say he’s a potential 4 WAR guy, but 5? I mean, that’s going to take a serious uptick. Not impossible, I guess.

by toonsterwu on Dec 22, 2025 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

He was worth 3.5 WAR last year and has progressively gotten better, now going to the National League while entering his prime.

What’s wrong with calling him a “4-5 WAR player”? Maybe not right… NOW. But maybe next season.

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by Kenneth Arthur on Dec 22, 2025 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Cause

last year on the road (read: not the Coliseum) Gio put up..

4.00 FIP
3.99 xFIP
8.51 K/9
4.40 BB/9
2.01 K/BB

Quite a haul for that.

by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 22, 2025 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

yes but he’s also going to the NL, and the coliseum isn’t too much better for pitchers then nationals park is

by Noah McKinnie Braun on Dec 23, 2025 12:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

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by Kenneth Arthur on Dec 23, 2025 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not assuming anything. I'm giving some justification to the possibility.

And why can’t a person? Is WAR prediction worthy of execution? Better or worse than murder?

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by Kenneth Arthur on Dec 23, 2025 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

'he's a 4-5 WAR player right now'

no…he’s not…and he hasnt been

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by billybeingbilly on Dec 23, 2025 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I never said he was

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by Kenneth Arthur on Dec 23, 2025 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

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I realize that some take umbrage on BB-Ref’s WAR calculations because they aren’t as regressed as Fangraphs’, but I don’t think that WAR is so perfected as to discard one or the other. Moreover, I remain somewhat leery regression when discussing actual accrued value.

by GuyinNY on Dec 23, 2025 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

It's all about A.J Cole

Cole has the most upside of any players in the deal, he also has the most risk. Peacock is good and his flyball tendencies (0.75 GA/OA) will play much better in Oakland than it would have in Washington. Will I have Peacock rated higher, the true upside is in Cole.

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by Rich Wilson on Dec 22, 2025 10:28 PM EST reply actions  

Eh

I think Norris still has solid enough upside to be considered a very good second piece in a 4 player deal. You are right on Cole though. Nats did give up alot, but they kept Harper, Rendon, Solis, Goodwin, Purke, and Meyer (and yes I realize half that list couldn’t even be traded).

by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 22, 2025 10:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Norris

i was surprised how fairly high ranked by BA he has.

top 35 in 2010.
2011 preseason list: 72. norris, 73. alonso

He’s also improved at catcher and has powert/patience combo, i’m sure beane loves.

by J.J. Miller on Dec 23, 2025 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

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