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Jose Tabata Crystal Ball

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about 1 month ago: Pittsburgh Pirates' Jose Tabata is tagged out at first by Milwaukee Brewers' Prince Fielder during the first inning of a baseball game Friday, July 9, 2010, in Milwaukee. (AP Photo/Morry Gash)



The Crystal Ball is NOT a prediction or formal projection. It is meant to spark discussion about the player in question, in this case Jose Tabata of the Pittsburgh Pirates.

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Haha

I was wondering if we’d see some kind of stat line that said

2012, age 23
2013, age 27

by Flynn Blake on Aug 27, 2025 5:30 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Stolen base totals

Seem a little low. He’s close to forty on the year this year isn’t he? Hard to believe that he’ll only get half that many two more times in his career if he stays healthy.

This guy could be a monster if the power comes, in my opinion.

by Woo! on Aug 27, 2025 5:48 PM EDT reply actions  

SB

The speed isn’t that great despite the steals and he doesn’t have the frame that will allow him to keep that speed(he will get bigger and then slower). I own him in a dynasty league so I’ve done plenty of research on him so I can trade him for max value

by mattp31 on Aug 27, 2025 5:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

He's as fast

as McCutchen. Their home to first times are pretty much identical. Yes, he’ll lose a few steps as he gets older, and his speed may decline a bit quicker than average because he is pretty thick, but he has as much raw speed as pretty much anybody in baseball.

by jseiner on Aug 28, 2025 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

That said

I think the SB numbers are probably about right, although I wouldn’t be shocked if he can peak at 35-40 for a couple seasons.

by jseiner on Aug 28, 2025 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trevor Cahill

Would love to see one of these on Cahill…sometime.

by BigJ7489 on Aug 27, 2025 5:49 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd love to see a Unicorn

Adoptive parent of Kyle Nicholson

by gore51 on Aug 28, 2025 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bryce Harper Crystal Ball will be the last thing i ever ask for

If you make it :D

…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell

by Marinerfanjake on Aug 28, 2025 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think he will be in Pittsburgh longer than until 2014

Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
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by WVPiratesfan on Aug 27, 2025 6:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Eh.

We’ll probably have to choose between him and Cutch, in the same way that Tampa Bay is having to choose between Upton and Crawford, after a fashion.

Hopefully Starling Marte or someone else can fill the Desmond Jennings role.

Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89

Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.

by wg1of5 on Aug 27, 2025 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

we have 5 years of control left with Cutch

and Jose still have six so I think we can keep them around for longer than four years

Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
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by WVPiratesfan on Aug 27, 2025 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pessimistic?

He has a year where he hits .336 with 18 homers and a year where he hits .327 with 19 homers.

Unless you expect him to be 2009 Joe Mauer at the plate, I don’t see how this can be pessimistic.

by nyy601 on Aug 27, 2025 8:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Re:

I think it was maybe a little pessimistic from a power perspective. He does a pretty good job of making hard contact — so topping out at 21 might be a little low. For example, John has him hitting 3 in 123 games at his age 25 season. I’d be pretty shocked if that’s the case.

Of course, on the other hand, I think the other numbers are pretty optimistic so take that for what it’s worth.

by Dfarth on Aug 28, 2025 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I LOLed that you have him going to the Giants in 2014.

Would the Giants ever sign an aging, past his prime, gritty veteran?!

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by travdog6 on Aug 27, 2025 9:41 PM EDT reply actions  

I believe you mean 2024

…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell

by Marinerfanjake on Aug 27, 2025 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

John… why do you have to torture Giants fans by indicating that in 2024 the team will still have an organizational philosophy of picking up over the hill players?

Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?

by shikantaza on Aug 27, 2025 9:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Doubles

Everything looks reasonable to me except that the doubles totals strike me as low. With Tabata’s good-not-great power(potential, anyway) but very good hit tool, I would think of him as a guy who would consistently be hitting 35-50 doubles, if he’s doing anything well. Am I missing something?

by escroll on Aug 27, 2025 11:01 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree with this

…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell

by Marinerfanjake on Aug 28, 2025 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

YES!

The Cubs will finally have a legit centerfielder for longer than 2 years! John you made my day.

by Ramakis34 on Aug 28, 2025 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

This is a really cool idea

I would love to see one for Justin smoak, nick Franklin, Michael Pineda, and Dustin ackley

by jackyz on Aug 28, 2025 12:21 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

+1

Homerism rocks!

…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell

by Marinerfanjake on Aug 28, 2025 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dig it....

Obviously not exact, but I have a similar outlook on Tabata. He should have himself a nice career, and hopefully find himself on some good teams.

by SenorGato on Aug 28, 2025 1:15 AM EDT reply actions  

If I may I'd like to...

request one for Starlin Castro. I really underestimated this guy.

by SenorGato on Aug 28, 2025 1:16 AM EDT reply actions  

As a Cubs fan...

I totally buy the Cubs overpaying him after a couple of good years in Texas. Seems to be a trend. Good call John.

Cub Fan - Bud Man

by Orangeman94 on Aug 28, 2025 10:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Very Cool

I agree with most of this. Very nice job.

by soxaroundtheclock on Aug 28, 2025 10:17 AM EDT reply actions  

what's up

with 2013? He’s playing in 38 games.

John, are you projecting an injury? is it something you see/hear that scares you?

by apoxonbothyourhouses on Aug 28, 2025 11:52 AM EDT reply actions  

injury

Serious shoulder Injury. But I’m just making that up.

by John Sickels on Aug 28, 2025 12:23 PM EDT reply actions  

just right

This looks like an extremely reasonable future for Tabata. As one poster already said, I could see 5 extra doubles per year. I’m also a bit skeptical that he’ll increase his walk rate so significantly late in his career. I know that’s typical as players age, but I don’t think Tabata is that type. He’s a good contact hitter and he doesn’t have enough power to make guys pitch around him, so I think he’s going to have to put the ball in play his whole career.

One major injury does seem kind of likely to me. He’s already struggled with hamstring issues, and for a guy who’s so big and whose game relies so much on speed, I would not be at all surprised if he misses significant time at some point.

by epoc on Aug 28, 2025 1:13 PM EDT reply actions  

if i had a little more velocity and a little more bite on my curve

i’d be pretty good too.

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by doublestix on Aug 28, 2025 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Um...

You didn’t realize Tabata IS Kirby?! He went into recovery for his eye issues, got a double to play him for the time being, and he reappeared as a 19 y/o outfielder. Just wait until the reappearance of Robin Yount robs him of an MVP in 2020, just over 30 years from the first time it happened!

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

by biggentleben on Aug 29, 2025 3:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

...to get out of alimony payments, no doubt.

Kidding. Always liked the guy, despite his personal failings.

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by alskor on Aug 30, 2025 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

if ifs and buts were candy and nuts

oh what a christmas we’d have

by apoxonbothyourhouses on Aug 29, 2025 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

enough of the nonsense

I was saying he’s a good hitter and he’s short and stocky like Puckett was…

by Bravesin07 on Aug 29, 2025 8:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Terrible comp

That’s why the nonsense ensues. Tabata’s taller, leaner, stronger, and more athletic. Kirby wanted it more than any other baseball player I’ve ever watched in my lifetime. Tabata’s not in the same stratosphere in that regard.

Why would you comp a guy to a HOF’er anyway? That’s assuming big things right there. Nevermind that they’re poor comps in physical aspects and baseball skills.

Cue more nonsense!

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

by biggentleben on Aug 29, 2025 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

puckett

seems like a reasonable comp to me. They’re both good contact hitters who don’t walk much, and they’re both thick guys with some speed. Tabata probably won’t match Puckett’s power and ultimately won’t be as good, but they’re similar types.

by epoc on Aug 29, 2025 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

fair enough

But can’t you make a comp just based on the type of player rather than on their talent level?

by epoc on Aug 30, 2025 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't see it

Seeing a LOT of Puckett from his earliest days (I’ll admit that I’ve not seen any of his minor league video, so I couldn’t expound on what Kirby was like in the minors!), he and Tabata are not alike in skills. You do realize that Kirby was quite svelt when he first came in the league, right? He gained size after his first few years, but he was fairly thin when he first entered the league.

I know we’ve done a few age things on the site, and I realize I’m one of few here with anything higher than a 2 at the front of my age, but Kirby and Tabata are not good physical comps. As far as progression, Kirby went from A ball at 23 in 1983 to AAA/majors at 24 in 1984. There is very little progression to compare to, though it is pretty obvious that Tabata has a lot more conservative approach than Puckett ever had. Puckett struck out more and walked much less until late in his career than Tabata does now. In other words, skills-wise, it’s a poor comp as well.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

by biggentleben on Aug 30, 2025 7:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

while I'm not going to touch the Kirby comparison,

Jose has matured a ton since his time in the Yankee organization and he’s been as hard working as anyone in the Pirates org since the trade.

Really goes to show that some players really just need a change of scenery.

by ej6687 on Aug 29, 2025 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely

I have Tabata in a dynasty league, and I am very impressed by his change since the trade. My comment on Kirby’s desire as a player was nowhere near a knock on Tabata. Kirby really did everything wrong from a baseball perspective, yet he simply seemed to get better and better as he aged. He added weight, he rarely took pitches (though he seemed to be getting better at that later in his career), and he wasn’t much of a student of the game (not to Tony Gwynn standards, anyway). Yet he had one of his best seasons of his career his last year in the league. I used to love that on a grounder to 3b, he would leg it out like there was no tomorrow. Granted, he led the league in GIDP one season and was up there multiple seasons, but he hustled down the line. His little legs would be spinning like Fred Flinstone on every hit and every ball hit to him on defense.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

by biggentleben on Aug 30, 2025 7:35 AM EDT up reply actions  


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