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Not a Rookie: Kyle Davies

Not a Rookie: Kyle Davies

Kyle Davies was drafted by the Atlanta Braves in the fourth round in 2001, out of high school in Stockbridge, Georgia. He was a classic Atlanta draft pick: a high school pitcher from the Deep South with a live arm, projectability, athleticism, but the need for patient development. He did very well in his pro debut, going 4-2, 2.25 with a 53/8 K/BB ratio in 56 innings in the Gulf Coast League. He made one start late in the year for full-season Macon in the Sally League, throwing 5.2 shutout innings with seven strikeouts, remarkable for a guy two months out of high school. Although he threw just 87-90 MPH in his pro debut, his curve and changeup were considered very promising. I gave him a Grade C+ in the 2002 Minor League Scouting Notebook, noting that he was a big sleeper that people needed to track.

Davies pitched for Danville in the Appy League in 2002, going 5-3, 3.50 with a 62/23 K/BB in 69 innings, with 73 hits allowed. This wasn't as good as his pro debut. His command was still there, but his velocity remained average and his secondary pitches regressed a little. I gave him a Grade C in the 2003 Baseball Prospect Book, writing that he remained an interesting prospect but needed more development time.

2003 was a success: 2.89 ERA with a 148/53 K/BB in 146 innings for Class A Rome, 128 hits allowed. His fastball was still in the 87-91 range, but he got the bite on his secondary pitches back, and he continued to impress with his feel for pitching. I gave him a Grade B- in the 2004 book.

His breakthrough came in 2004. His velocity increased into the 90-94 MPH range, thanks to more physical strength and improved mechanics. He retained his breaking ball, changeup, and sound command. He posted a 2.63 ERA with a 95/32 K/BB in 75 innings for Class A Myrtle Beach, and maintained his progress with a fine showing for Double-A Greenville in the second half, 2.32 ERA with a 73/23 K/BB in 62 innings, 40 hits allowed. The improvement in his K/IP ratio was quite notable, and I gave him a Grade B+ in the 2005 book, writing that "if he avoids injury, he will be a very good pitcher, perhaps even an excellent one."

Davies split 2005 between Triple-A Richmond (3.44 ERA with a 62/34 K/BB in 73 innings) and Atlanta (4.93 ERA with a 62/49 K/BB in 88 innings, 98 hits allowed). His command wasn't as sharp in the majors, and it looked like he'd been rushed. He appeared to lack confidence. He was absolutely awful for the Braves in 2006 (8.38 ERA, 51/33 K/BB in 63 innings, 90 hits and 14 homers allowed). He was better but still weak in 2007, with a 5.76 ERA for the Braves and a 59/44 K/BB in 86 innings. The Braves gave up on him and shipped him to Kansas City for Octavio Dotel. He was even worse for the Royals after the trade.

However, something began to click in 2008. He posted a 4.06 ERA for the Royals. Although his peripherals weren't great (71/43 K/BB in 113 innings, 121 hits) and didn't support the raw ERA improvement, his K/BB showed good development late in the year: 2.27 ERA with a 24/7 K/BB in his last 32 innings.

Davies enters 2009 needing to show that his improvement last year is for real. Either the peripherals will improve to match the better ERA, or the ERA will weaken to match the peripherals. Given his better components late in '08, and his two good starts so far in 2009, there is some sabermetric reason for optimism, granted the perils of small sample size are still there. Subjectively, from watching Davies pitch numerous games since he joined the Royals, there seems to be a big difference between the late ‘08/'09 Davies and the pitcher we saw two or three years ago. His command is obviously better, and he appears to have much greater confidence on the mound. He looks like he belongs now.

I think Davies suffered from being rushed too quickly from Triple-A, then needed time to adjust to major league conditions. Many young pitchers get crushed mentally and never recover from this adjustment experience, but right now it looks like Davies has made the transition. We need more data to be sure, but his minor league track record was solid, he's got the physical talent, and sometimes pitchers just need time.

PECOTA comps are Mark Thompson, Stan Bahnsen, Steve Trachsel, Jim Hughes, Dave Freisleben, Pat Hentgen, Shawn Chacon, Mac Suzuki, Skip Lockwood, and Francisco Barrios for the Top Ten. Others of note include Don Larsen, Livan Hernandez, Jim Perry, and Rick Rhoden. Some early burnouts on that list, but some very good pitchers as well. I particularly like the Pat Hentgen comp.

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I like Davies

I also agree he was rushed. I think he makes for a capable mid-end of the rotation starter.

by toonsterwu on Apr 16, 2025 5:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i've been calling for a breakout since last September

watching his last few starts…WOW. not even the same guy as the past few years. he’s carried it right on over to this year. greatly improved his curve and it’s ahead of his changeup now (which was different than when he came over in the trade). i think he could put up #2 starter type numbers.

really he holds the key between contention or not. so…i hope I’m right. :D

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by doublestix on Apr 16, 2025 6:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I wish every team could be as patient with lower minors pitchers as the Braves.

Most teams would move a guy like Davies to low A ball after a debut season like he had. Although I agree that he was rushed to the Majors, I think we can see with Davies how strong of a development program the Braves have for pitchers. They were able to wait for the breakout year almost 3 years after he was drafted, whereas most teams would have had him pitching against levels over his head by then.

by Andy Seiler on Apr 16, 2025 6:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He's also replaced his slider with a cutter which has been very effective

…in part because he can control it, unlike his old slider.

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by NYRoyal on Apr 16, 2025 9:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

As a Braves fan

I always hoped for more from Davies and feel that he was rushed because of deficiencies on the big club. His debut was very solid and looked like he was going to take off. Never thought he would put it back together this quickly, but I’m glad for him. Reminds me a lot of early Schilling.

by JFP on Apr 16, 2025 10:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agree with John

that Davies just looks a lot better since middle to late last year. I don’t think anyone, Braves included, would disagree that he was rushed. That 2005 when he first came up, the Braves had a ton of injuries. I think that was the year that saw the Braves introduce 12 rookies (Langerhans, McCann, Francoeur, Betemit, Kelly Johnson, Andy Marte, Pete Orr, Chuck James, Jorge Vazquez, Joey Devine, Roman Colon, Davies). There were so many injuries. I was at Davies MLB debut, in Fenway interleague against the Sox on a cold, rainy May evening, 5 shutout innings, 6 Ks, and you could see he had talent. If I recall correctly, the A’s wanted Davies, not Dan Meyer, in the deal for Tim Hudson and the Braves said No. And then they were savaged in the bullpen when they traded him to KC for Dotel; I think its less that they gave up on him than that they had another real need, and were willing to cut bait and give him a shot with anothe organization who could afford to wait out his maturation to the next level. Its nice, to me, to see a guy struggle, deal with it, even if it takes a year or two, and come through it. I hope he has as good a career as Hentgen.

by nevin on Apr 17, 2025 2:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Change of scenery

I saw some parallels between Davies and Joey Devine — not so much in stuff or even minor league career, but more in the way they were handled by Bobby Cox once they came up. Obviously, Kyle got more time in the minors than Joey did, but both were brought up early, as a result of a clear pressing need by the club, and clearly earlier than would otherwise have been desired for their development. (Devine was even drafted out of a pressing need: the Braves needed bullpen help badly, and so they took him instead of Colby Rasmus, whose brother was already in the Braves system.)

Then they got to Atlanta. Davies had a couple good starts, albeit with very limited innings. Then he started walking people and lost confidence. Davies gave up a grand slam in each of his first two appearances and never seemed to get any confidence. As I recall, they seemed to get in Bobby’s doghouse, and the team was never able to get either of them on track. Their control slipped notably and they walked a lot more people than they had in the minors. By the time each was traded, it seemed a forgone conclusion that both were “change-of-scenery” guys, who had worn out their welcome in Atlanta with their lack of success at the major league level — perhaps because they were brought up too early and hadn’t been able to make the proper adjustments — and at that point the team had to cut bait and sell.

Rushing a guy through the minors doesn’t just hurt his development — sometimes they can pan out. But they often don’t pan out for the team that rushed them.

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by alexwithclass on Apr 17, 2025 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Devine

Hey AR,

Agree, nice parallel’s between them. The rushing of Devine grew out of the same set of problems as led to the rushing of Davies; mad injuries made a strategy of taking a perceivedly polished pitcher (college reliever || MiLB SP with good makeup) who might help in the majors now a reasonable one. I don’t think ATL would have pushed either Devine or Davies if they didn’t have real needs, and its to the credit of each’s talent that they were used to bring back pieces that were specifically necessary and high-end (Dotel and Kotsay).

by nevin on Apr 19, 2025 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Correction

Cory Rasmus was drafted by the Braves a year after they passed on Colby, not a year before. Still, they were Alabama boys, and clearly both very much on the Braves’ radar — and in their wheelhouse.

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by alexwithclass on Apr 17, 2025 5:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Davies is an all around good guy

He even works a construction job in the offseason. There was an article on it somewhere this offseason.

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by 306008 on Apr 22, 2025 8:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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