OT - The fall of Minor League Ball
I know I'm not the only one thinking it. Taking a look at the diaries, there has been a total flatline at the activity on here ever since the site changed over. I'm not looking to blame John for this, as he was probably somewhat forced to do it, but the connection between the changeover and the steep drop-off in comments is pretty obvious. I accepted the excuse some people made at first that things were quiet and there was nothing going on in the minors, since the season hadn't begun yet, but...it has now, and has been for a few weeks, and there's no change in the level of activity. I know there's pretty much no turning back now, and this is what the site is, but I don't think I'm crazy. As strange as it is for a site's layout to discourage people from coming by or having discussions on here, I think it's happened.
Either that, or we had a lot more sockpuppets conversing with one another than we ever could have imagined.
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sad but true
About a year ago or so I would check this site multiple times a day, usually finding enjoyable and relevant entries. Prospects were analyzed, jokes were made, and much needed breaks from work were easily found. I think its a shame that the activity has dropped to such a low point, but like pujolsjunkie said, sickels cant be held too accountable for this.
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by realityconquest on Apr 17, 2025 4:55 PM EDT 0 recs
Case in Point.
Case in point is your diary. It is almost impossible to find. You have to scroll 90% down from the site homepage to see any of the diaries. Just a truly horrible interface. Whoever designed this website should be shot.
I’m not bailing on this site yet, as I love Johns work. I will say though that the new site has really taken away alot of the fun though.
by fartballs on Apr 17, 2025 4:56 PM EDT 0 recs
agreed
I’m not calling John’s work into question—this is all about the interface really.
I will be waiting...24601.
by PujolsJunkie on
Apr 17, 2025 4:57 PM EDT
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This is a bug in the interface
not a deliberately designed aspect.
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by PaulThomas on
Apr 17, 2025 6:45 PM EDT
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Case in point is your diary. It is almost impossible to find. You have to scroll 90% down from the site homepage to see any of the diaries. Just a truly horrible interface. Whoever designed this website should be shot.
You’re probably using Internet Explorer 6. They’re trying to fix that problem with IE6, but a majority of the users have IE7, Firefox, or Opera, so they don’t see the problems that you’re seeing.
by Grant on
Apr 17, 2025 7:23 PM EDT
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So, I designed the interface
...or at least, a great deal of it. Maybe we can play paintball or Halo 3 together sometime, fartballs. I’m happy to let you shoot me if you’ll feel better.
For now we’d love any feedback you can give to explain your frustration with the interface. What made it easier to find diaries in the old layout? What do you mean by “scroll 90% of the way down”? Which page are you scrolling down - the front page, or / fanposts? If it’s the front page, are you aware that you can adjust the number of recent diaries shown from your Edit Settings page?
What made the old site feel more fun?
If you think of it, please let us know what browser your using, and any other description or information that will help us understand what you’re experiencing. This site isn’t a printed book, it’s part of an evolving platform. We’re constantly making changes, and appreciate all the feedback we can get.
We’re considering changes to the way the FanShot and FanPost pages display, and we’re also planning massive changes to Search. But we recognize that there’s plenty more to do, and you’ll see new features and interface changes over the coming year. It will be a long time before our dev team is satisfied with the way everything looks and functions, and we need your input to help it evolve in the right direction.
And thanks for your patience. I’m sixfoot6000 on XBox Live, if you’re looking for some release.
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by sixfoot6 on
Apr 17, 2025 10:56 PM EDT
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Scrolling
wah wah wah, I just do not understand how scrolling can be difficult. The interface is fine, anyone willing to go to the incredible trouble of scrolling might even be able to read a fanpost or two.
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by t ball on
Apr 17, 2025 11:51 PM EDT
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Personalizable site?
So I have very little programming knowledge, but is there a way that the site could come up personalized to the user in terms of layout? Let’s say people want the diaries higher, they could move them higher, or expand them wider, all within set limits. I’m imagining something similar to a facebook page where you can move around the position of apps and info on your page. Is that possible for this site?
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by mckeeno on
Apr 18, 2025 9:57 AM EDT
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it's not currently possible
but it’s an interesting idea for us to consider
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by clockwerks on
Apr 18, 2025 11:19 AM EDT
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Usability
I do a lot of user experience and usability testing in my profession. I have noticed a few things in my career that I see on this site:
1. When something LOOKS like an ad, people will skip over it. With the ads on this site, some of the content on the right - like the diaries - look like extensions of those ads so people are more likely to pass over them than previously.
2. Navigation must be consistent. The search appears in different sections of the page depending on where you’re at. Information retrieval for a site like this is a must and until hunting around the page, I cannot always find where the search is.
3. Speaking of information retrieval, after doing a search, the result are cumbersome to sort through. By showing the entire story, it makes quickly hunting through results a longer task than it should be.
Those are just a couple things off the top of my head. I am wondering what an eye tracking test would produce. It would probably show some good information for what the “hot spots” on the site are and what might need some optimization.
by count sutton on
Apr 18, 2025 10:02 AM EDT
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Interesting
I wonder if John tried to invest in anything similar before making the switch or what options he looked at. Personally I think the new site is an upgrade but with so many people feeling the opposite, it may have been a worth while investment.
by jfish26101 on
Apr 18, 2025 10:12 AM EDT
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Well
This site is a part of SBN, and they are instituting a company wide format change. This wasn’t something John did on his own, so no there weren’t any real options for him to look into.
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by gatling on
Apr 18, 2025 10:24 AM EDT
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Well there are always options
for instance, he could have switched hosts. I do see what you are saying though, wasn’t aware of that. I still think it’s a good move in terms of what he had before but there is always and will always be room for improvement.
by jfish26101 on
Apr 18, 2025 10:30 AM EDT
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But
that would have caused even more uproar I assume, as nothing would have been the same from the previous format, no way to link to any of the archival information, and everyone still having to sign up for a new account somewhere else. Beyond that, you then lose alot of the cross-traffic and “strength in numbers” aspect of being a part of SBN, that has 133 different sports related blogs by my count. Every MLB team is represented, plus this site and Beyond the Boxscore. Many advantages in being a part of that system instead of trying to start all over. Beyond that, John seemed very excited about the new format, which for the life of me I don’t see the issues with. Yeah, it’s different, but so what? If a little less site traffic means we don’t run into the Joba/LaGoofy type stuff ever again, I’d be more than happy with that.
One thing I think alot of people are forgetting is when there were 20+ new diaries a day, people bitched that things got buried too quickly because too many diaries didn’t contain enough substance for an actual diary. Now, less activity and still people bitching. You can’t please all of the people all of the time, so what are you to do? Unless you’re producing quality material here that is being ignored, it’s not really fair to complain that no one else is either. In addition to that, I’m sure all the bellyaching and complaining about what is and isn’t ok to post hurt things too. People complain about OT diaries, fantasy diaries, diaries discussing MLB players-people have varied interests and I think in some of the OT diaries we’ve learned that alot of us have many other things in common than just our love of baseball and prospects.
I originally came to this site to learn about the players the A’s had acquired in the Hudson and Mulder deals. I thought I knew more than I did, and quickly realized I needed to learn more about prospects, so I dove in head first here. My desire for knowledge on prospects increased with fantasy leagues that involve minor leaguers though, and I know that many people that come here are in the same boat. However, they get chastised for fantasy being their motivation-why does it matter why someone is interested in prospects? If you want an educated opinion on your minor league fantasy draft or an idea of how good your farm system is, where else should you go? Fantasy sites where many people don’t focus on the depths of the minors but only skim the top? I wouldn’t. Yet that’s what people here are told to do.
Maybe everyone should go back and read the VTTigers memorial again like I did the other day-it gave me some renewed hope in this world that people who don’t know each other can come together and form a community like this and feel the loss of member most only know by a screenname and be effected by it. I know things got off track with the sock puppet issues and backbiting around here, but there isn’t any reason we can’t go back to what it was before, regardless of aesthetic changes to the site. Learn from each other, thru first hand accounts, discussion, and even off topic items that only show us how alike we all really are.
The last few paragraphs weren’t directed at you jfish, but the community as a whole. I don’t want this misconstrued as comments pointed towards you, as I don’t harbor any ill will towards anyone here anymore, even Bravesin07 and casejud who both used to get under my skin. I’ve realized that I should take Braves with a grain of salt, and that casejud makes very good points many times, even if he takes a different route to do it that I would.
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by gatling on
Apr 18, 2025 11:15 AM EDT
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I agree
My rant below and in other threads say that I feel this basically comes down to people’s fear of change and simply being lazy or stubborn to give it a shot. At the same time though, changing to something every already knows, like a PHP forum which is what almost every site seems to be heading towards, wouldn’t have been to bad. I think the new site is great but if nobody uses it, it doesn’t matter unfortunately.
by jfish26101 on
Apr 18, 2025 11:24 AM EDT
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We agree about search results
and we’ll be pushing big changes in the next few weeks. Up until now we’ve needed to focus on other priorities.
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by sixfoot6 on
Apr 18, 2025 11:50 AM EDT
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What I hate
Is the incessant use of “flair” on the site. All of the wacky colors and bold and hyper links and avatars. it’s just too busy.
The reason that the site was heavily trafficed is that it was smooth and barebones. You’ve tried to jam 15 extra things in the same space, plus ads, and now it’s too busy and overwhelming.
It’s horrible.
by Galt on
Apr 18, 2025 12:51 PM EDT
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horrible hate
sorry to hear you don’t like the changes
you can turn off the avatars if you don’t like them in your user settings.
ads are a necessary evil to keep our blog network going.
however, we hear your feedback about the blog feeling busy. as our visual designer, sixfoot6, mentioned up above we consider this an evolving platform and we continue to tweak based on what we hear from everyone across the entire SB Nation network. if you tell us which colors you don’t like, what things you don’t want bold and what shouldn’t be a hyper-link, we’ll certainly consider making changes.
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by clockwerks on
Apr 19, 2025 9:06 PM EDT
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More Hate
See, its this kind of customer service double talk that turns me off to sites like this. I love John’s work, but I feel like it has been bastardized by SB Nation. From John’s perspective I understand why he would make the move, but the whole “we hear you about blah blah blah” is so much politically correct bs it really irks me.
Why you may ask. Boy I sure am glad you did.
Nothing you said addresses the issue. “We’ll think about it…we hear you…but did you try this”
You didn’t hear a darned thing. You are just trying to mollify people.
The reality is, a lot of outstanding posters, knowledgeable people, left because they didn’t want to have to sign up with SB Nation. You aren’t trusted. Most fear their information will be sold or traded, or frankly they built a persona here they can no longer have because someone else in the “Nation” has it.
The site was cozy, comfortable, like a favorite tshirt. It had a warm feeling to it. Now it’s ugly green and black and boxy and cold and commercial.
I’m not against commercial. I am against poor thinking and planning when that transfer takes place. SB Nation probably slapped hands and had cocktails or other adult beverages when John became part of the family. I on the other hand stopped having my browser default to the site on opening like I used to.
As far as more traffic…I would much rather see a smaller number of rabit, passionate fans than a bunch of goobers coming to the site making posts like the one’s you see on CBS Sportsline’s attempt at community building. Yuck!
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by jammerjoe on
Apr 21, 2025 3:38 PM EDT
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Oh...one more thing
Where is the edit button I love so well? When I am blasting away on my keybored (sic) and say rabit instead of rabid, it would be nice to be able to edit the post. No edit button that I could find….
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by jammerjoe on
Apr 21, 2025 3:41 PM EDT
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Umm...
I’m not sure if John had a site between ESPN and this one, but this has been part of SB Nation since at least the fall of 2004 when I started reading it. This isn’t a recent thing, the new layout however is.
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by gatling on
Apr 21, 2025 4:30 PM EDT
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Hmmm
I can’t even begin to list all the things the developers have changed based solely on user input since A’s Nation switched to the new platform just about a month ago. Their responses are not just lip service.
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by Wes Cox on
Apr 21, 2025 5:18 PM EDT
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We really are listening.
We can’t jump on all requested changes right away, but our only goal here is to create kick-ass software to make it easy for communities to write and talk about sports. We’ve tried to improve on the the Scoop software used previously, which was a more general news / blog site solution, not created with sports blogging in mind. Minor League Ball is a little different than other communities, since it’s not focused on a single team. We’ll work on adding features to help your community be what it wants to be.
Our small dev team hasn’t had much of a chance to don monocles and sip martinis, though we did meet for margaritas once when we were all in the same state. Mostly we’ve been working 14 hour days 6 or 7 days a week for the past year to build a place where you can read and write about baseball. We haven’t delivered a completed, printed book - it’s a set of dynamic websites that can grow and change in response to specific feedback.
We’ve redesigned the comment layout, completely re-engineered the signup / migration process, made avatars optional, offered a layout width-switcher, added a Preview button, sped up loading times, changed color schemes, and started redesigning the Search area from the bottom up - all in response to specific feedback from users during the past 2 months. If you look back through my recent activity or clockwerk’s recent activity, I hope you can see that we’re actively trying our best to get a sense of where the platform needs to evolve next.
I’ve changed the MiLB color scheme to be less wacky and a bit easier on the eyes; we can make more changes if folks feel strongly. We’ll happily log any other bugs, concerns or feature requests into our bug tracking system, where we currently have 224 open tickets to work on, many from community members, and many based on things we’re unsatisfied with ourselves.
And gatling is right - MiLB and John Sickels have been a part of SB Nation for the past three years or so. The company has maintained the servers, software, and the majority of the advertising since then. We’ve also kept your private information safe, jammerjoe.
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by sixfoot6 on
Apr 21, 2025 5:48 PM EDT
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fixes
Put a timelimit on “recommended posts”. It should be absolutely no more than 5 days. Probably no more than 3. The Jordan Schafer post has been up for like two weeks.
Allow me to move content. I don’t need the options to be at the top of the page. Allow me to move to down to the bottom. If I want to change my options, I will. I don’t need it to be the most prominent portion of the page. Or at least make it one link that says “options” instead of a 3” box wasting space. This “Minor League Ball: Where the Future of Baseball is Discussed” is worthless written in this box. It’s already written on the banner. You are wasting space and causing clutter.
I don’t know if it’s because I use Firefox which is blocking out ads, or if it’s just poor set up, but there is a ton of wasted white space. Under the Minorleaueball banner and under the search bar are both giant blocks of wasted white space.
“extra” boxes should be optional. If there haven’t been any “recommended” posts in a week, then don’t have that box wasting space. If there aren’t any related posts, then don’t have that box taking up space. This is what I mean when I say it’s too busy. You are trying to jam in a bunch of other crap that no one is using (no one has “recommended” a post in 3 days.
Colors: I see on this page:
at least two shades of green
at least three shades of brown (including yellow)
Black
Gray
It’s like a Christmas decoration. It looks incredibly amateur..
by Galt on
Apr 22, 2025 12:03 AM EDT
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Sorry to hear you think the colors look amateur,
because I chose them personally. I worked with John to choose the original color set, and changed to these after some of earlier complaints. Reminds me of the grass and dirt of a baseball field, but maybe that’s just me.
Anyway, Galt, this stuff is easy to change if the community feels strongly about it. Since it sounds like you have some more professional design experience and strong feelings, I’d love to hear your input on what colors you think would look better.
Feel free to suggest other sites with colors you like; you might want to just visit some of the other SBN 2.0 sites and let me know which ones you don’t like and which work best, and maybe we can develop something similar. All of the MLB + NBA and most NFL blogs have been converted. Once you’ve got some suggestions together, you can email me through the link on my profile.
A couple of other notes:
- Indeed, those white spaces are ads you’re blocking, so I’m not sure it’s fair to blame us for that. Ads pay the bills, so money is the root of that particular evil.
- The challenge with the recommended box is that some people visit the site less frequently than others. Currently John can set the Rec threshold at whatever level he wants. Also, recommended posts (such as this one) tend to be very active, so it’s a good place to check on latest activity. So people do use them, in that way. Eventually I think we’ll need to give individual users the ability to control the behavior of that box - so you can set recommended posts to expire after 3 days if you prefer. We may also need to create more incentives to encourage people to recommend posts more frequently - any ideas?
- I’ve also been thinking that we should offer a way to collapse the User Tools top menu for logged in users. As you suggest, we’re moving toward moving admin stuff out of the way so people can focus on the content. This will be ongoing.
So we’ll get there. Thanks for your feedback and patience, and thanks in advance for your design help.
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by sixfoot6 on
Apr 22, 2025 11:11 AM EDT
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Geez Seriously?
The colors are completely off. How does black remind you of dirt? You play in the volcanic soil of the Hawaiian league? These colors are clearly not representative of baseball in any way. They are too dark. If you want dirt, try some shade of brown…and grass is…greener…not this forest green look.
Yeah it seems a bit petty, but as a marketing professional I’ve known for a long time that aesthetics are important. The content is key, but if people get a negative visual feel, they will stay away. There has been a ton of research on the effect of colors on the pscyhe, which is why you see schools being repainted, mental wards with cooling, calming (although often pukey to those of who are..um, less mentally unstable) color schemes.
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by jammerjoe on
Apr 24, 2025 10:18 AM EDT
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I can understand what you mean about the black.
Most of the new SBN Blogs use a very dark background, because it makes the content pop out a bit. Over time, I’d like to lighten things up everywhere, because I think that’s contributing to a sense of coldness mentioned by a few users across the network. The limitations of the dark framing is a little frustrating.
To me, the brown of the top navigation bar suggests dirt - that’s what I was referring to earlier.
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by sixfoot6 on
Apr 24, 2025 9:09 PM EDT
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Browns and greens
Yeah, an earthy brown would work. A little greener green. I see you’ve at least changed the frames to a navy blue, which is a little less intimidating. BTW I’ve been coming back because there have been some changes, albeit minor ones. Not ready to give up on the site yet, but it’s no longer my first cup of coffee destination like it used to be
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by jammerjoe on
Apr 25, 2025 5:02 PM EDT
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Fonts are way to small
I replied to someone else before I saw your note.
us older guys can’t read the site. Fonts are way to small.
by SCMonarchs on
Apr 19, 2025 3:57 PM EDT
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You could turn up the resolution on your moniter
Or hold Ctrl plus the + key or ctrl plus the scroll bar on your mouse if you have one.
by jfish26101 on
Apr 19, 2025 7:26 PM EDT
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Throwing my pennies on the pile
I’m one of the guys who sorta disappeared after the switch (not that I was the most frequent poster before). A lot of it is real-life stuff keeping me busy, but much of it is that, and I mean no offense, I really hate the new interface. I like a lot of the actual functionality, like recommended diaries, a picture section, and the increased customizeability of the display, but the layout misses on bunch of small things that add up to make it very unpleasant to use. As long as we’ve got a forum for it, I’ll list my grievances (apologies for overlap, I’m trying not to repeat what others have said). These are in no particular order of importance:
1)Color Scheme—It seems like a minor thing, but it matters: green, blue, and grey is just not very baseball-y. I rather liked the old tan/off-white scheme, but if you need to change I recommend lighter colors for the backgrounds (not just the text areas, but the sidebars and such) with trim in red and/or blue.
The use of dark colors for parts of the background with white background for the text is just visually jarring. That level of contrast needs to be toned way down.
2)Ad Placement—When I look at my monitor my eyes naturally fall about 1/4 from the top (I’m on a wide-screen 17” laptop usually). On the front page this is squarely where some irritating ad banner is (or a white box with adblock on). It actually took me a few days before I realized where the title of the damn blog actually is. Ads naturally repulse most people; if it’s the first thing they see they’re going to be turned off. Simply flipping the location of the main title and upper ad banner would go a long way. Also, the title “Minor League Ball” needs to be MUCH bigger, and ideally in some catchy font.
2A)Ad Placement and FanPosts - I think this is where the uniform SN blog format does this site injustice. There is only really one regular ‘author’ on this blog, John, and he posts rather infrequently (NOT complaining, just saying - at the highest rate it’s about once a day). Thus the “Recent Posts” thing is kind of useless—if you visit this site once a day you’ve seen most of them many times. To make it worse, immediately underneath that box is an ad box, which actually pushes the FanPosts off screen before scrolling, or at least shoves the top-most one way at the bottom (I’m running 1440×900 resolution, not the highest possible but not exactly low-res either). As the vast majority of this site’s content is user-generated, this is absolutely unacceptable. I’d honestly prefer to just get rid of the “Recent Posts” box and slide the rest up (preferably sticking the right-hand box below the Posts and Shots), but if this is unacceptable, what about just changing the “Recent Posts” to “Recent FanPosts” (either based on creation date/time or most recently commented. I think people would love a box of most recently commented FanPosts)?
Another suggestion—why not put the links underneath the FanPosts/Shots and move all the advertising over to the left column?
3)Tag Placement—as soon as a tag is added there’s a fairly huge box between the Post and the comments. Could this be dynamically sized? E.g. this Post, where the one “sbn2” tag creates over an inch of whitespace between the post and the comments. Why not just make it, you know, the space of one line of text?
Or perhaps it would be better to just put the tags below the comments?
I’m sure I’ll be able to think of more when I’m less hungry. Thanks for your work, and your civility. Like I said, I think the functionality here is better than the old site’s, but the current layout makes it a much less pleasant experience that does honestly diminish my desire to visit.
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by delomir on
Apr 20, 2025 12:51 PM EDT
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Clarification
To clarify, 2A refers to the main page, the one you see when you first load the website.
Also, the tabbing through comments thing is pretty slick. Very cool.
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by delomir on
Apr 20, 2025 12:56 PM EDT
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we really appreciate you taking the time to write up this detailed, constructive feedback
some of these things we’re already talking about ourselves so it’s extremely useful to get member perspective on those same topics, especially when it’s in a particularly unique community like this one.
we are eager to improve everything and good stuff like this comment helps us more than you know.
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by clockwerks on
Apr 20, 2025 1:07 PM EDT
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Me too
I also dropped off at the changeover, with the new login needed, plus some RL business issues.
But I always intended to go through the hassle of getting my profile switched over, and after like a month of not posting I went and did it. It took like 5 minutes, but people are lazy sometimes.
Now that I did I love having one password for all the network sites, and the more expanded profile.
One thing I don’t like is that a lot of screen is wasted. Right now like 50% of my monitor has just solid colors on it (mostly because this diary is so large). There should be some way to have something interesting going on in those blank spaces.
Anyway, once the minor league season gets underway enough for decent sample sizes and the draft comes around the site will pick up a lot.
by elricsi on
Apr 24, 2025 1:08 AM EDT
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If you haven't already,
try the “wide” layout setting, under the other user menu items in the top right column. Many users are finding that it better suits their screen size..
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by sixfoot6 on
Apr 24, 2025 1:33 AM EDT
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new login - very important point
The fact that people were required to create a new login was the true downfall of this (and other SBNation) sites. I’ve seen it several times before - most recently with metroblogs.com. A new, huge makeover, logins not converted over, and a bunch of people drop off the site. Whether or not these people are considered to be ‘lazy’ or ‘pathetic’ or whatever, the truth of it is that you lose a LOT of participants from a website when you force everyone to create a login that they have already created previously. This was the most disappointing thing about the site because graphics and layout can easily change, but once you force people to create a new login, there’s no going back.
by sabernar on
Apr 29, 2025 10:19 AM EDT
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Did you personally find the account migration process annoying
or are you theorizing that it’s keeping people away?
It’s taking people an average of less than a minute to convert existing accounts. Maybe we can make it more clear that it should be a very quick process in most cases.
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by sixfoot6 on
Apr 29, 2025 6:31 PM EDT
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I don't think he is disputing that
but just saying the simple fact they had to do something to post again made them go away. I agree; people are just lazy but he/she was trying to be a little less brash. I think that is the main reason here followed by the LaGoofy fiasco which visibly irritated a decent portion of the community. I don’t think that many people are that upset with the interface change that they would stop posting. I think you guys are doing an admirable job trying to appease everyones nitpicking.
by jfish26101 on
Apr 29, 2025 7:11 PM EDT
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Login conversion
Having to change names was troublesome for a lot of people. For example, I couldn’t be jonk anymore because somebody on another SBNation affiliate - one that I never visited - had “seniority” over the name, so I had to alter it or choose a new one altogether. This wasn’t a big deal for me because I haven’t posted a lot, but I know this was a problem for others. That aspect of the migration process was definitely frustrating.
by jonk1982 on
Apr 29, 2025 8:41 PM EDT
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Yeah, we certainly understand that.
It’s been hard to see people lose their long time screen names, especially folks who are only active on a single site - as seems to be the case with a number of users . We spent a long time working out the algorithm for seniority, and this was the most fair system we could come up with.
For every person who’s complained about losing their screen name, there were five users who complained about having to manage multiple accounts under the old system of independently configured blogs. Hopefully we haven’t scared off too many users, and the benefits of the new system will become more clear as we roll out new features.
I'm one of four guys who built SB Nation 2.0. We are like the Borg, but friendly and with better features.
by sixfoot6 on
Apr 30, 2025 1:43 AM EDT
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Well I understand that
but is it really a big deal? I mean I wouldn’t care at all if I had to change my username on a forum. It just doesn’t matter and hardly think it’s worth ignoring the community from that point on. If people are really that attached to the forum and their name that they identify with it, I think they need to get out more. A simple sentence in their sig saying what name they used to go by or a small variation on the name would suffice. I just can’t imagine something so small and insignificant upsetting me so much that I couldn’t stand to post on the forum anymore.
by jfish26101 on
Apr 30, 2025 10:53 AM EDT
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Gotcha.
Yeah, sometimes the smallest barriers to entry can affect a number of people.
And it’s not all nitpicking - even though some of the comments in this thread have been bitter, it’s been some of the most of the most detailed, frank, and helpful feedback we’ve received since Athletics Nation became the first blog to rollover into the new platform.
For anyone still reading this thread, I think the bottom line is this: Minor League Ball is unlike any other blog in the SB Nation Network. It has a large, devoted readership and a rather broad scope of focus that lends well to discussion board dynamics rather than blog dynamics. Many of the users here aren’t interested in participating in other SB Nation blogs. And this community isn’t team affiliated, so new features that have been well-received on most of our blogs (stats integration, auto-updates in GameThreads, FanShots, related item tagging) are substantially less useful here, if not non-existent. As such, the benefits of the new platform seem small.
We were aware of some of these points before… but not all of them. And because Minor League Ball is the exception rather than the rule, we didn’t focus on features that might benefit a community of this sort during our initial build-out of the platform.
We’ve learned a lot from all of you here, however, and we’ve got some new ideas in the works that we think Minor League Ball will appreciate, and that users across the network will benefit from. So honestly, thanks to everyone for speaking up.
I'm one of four guys who built SB Nation 2.0. We are like the Borg, but friendly and with better features.
by sixfoot6 on
Apr 30, 2025 2:13 AM EDT
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I like it
I have noticed the drop-offs in posts though but, who cares. New people will come so no big deal to me.
Besides, On my version I scroll down about 2 inches and see the diaries so i dont understand. i also think the whole site is bolder, brighter, clearer and I enjoy the color as well.
I think it is an improvement but thats just me.
by casejud on Apr 17, 2025 5:02 PM EDT 0 recs
I mean
I can’t understand how you don’t care about the drop-off. A lot of valuable opinions are no longer presenting themselves, and that’s a change for the worse—and a cosmetic change that some people like (yet many dislike) isn’t worth that.
I will be waiting...24601.
by PujolsJunkie on
Apr 17, 2025 5:05 PM EDT
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I think that
the website www.projectprospect.com is a great compliment to the work of John Sickels. I dont know if they have contact with each other, but I like to check both for prospect insight.
"Listen, here's the thing. If you look up and down a line-up and don't see the hole in it, you ARE the hole."
by realityconquest on Apr 17, 2025 5:09 PM EDT 0 recs
This site
I don’t know about the other blogs on this network, but the new interface on this site has proven to be a very undesirable change for a vast majority of users. I don’t mind it as much as some people do, but I think it created more problems than solutions. The only thing this site really needed was a true message board system like mentioned above. This new layout, for all that it changed, didn’t address the one glaring flaw on here.
Project Prospect has the right approach - their site is geared towards the fantasy baseball crowd… and I think that’s paid off big time for them. A lot of people who follow prospects are just people who play in deep leagues with minor league systems attached to them. The fantasy crowd has always been met with an attitude here and that’s disservice to this site. The fantasy baseball sub-board at Project Prospect has more topics posted than any other sub-board they have…. by a comfortable margin too.
by rdf8585 on Apr 17, 2025 5:43 PM EDT 0 recs
this site
I know why no one is posting. When the switched over they made it where everyone had to resign up. I been still reading but i didn’t feel the need to resign up. It is a pain that they had to dump all our login info. I feel bad for john because i love the site, but they kinf of hosed him.
screenname
by screenname on Apr 17, 2025 6:07 PM EDT 0 recs
Unless they dumped login info after a certain time..
Your login info should be stored somewhere. You can claim your account and still be connected to your old account.
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"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
by WalrusMan on
Apr 21, 2025 4:26 PM EDT
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activity
i, for one, come here a lot less often nowadays. i think i’ve made about 2 posts in the past month. it’s not really anything to do with the site change, though, and more that i’m busy with other stuff. i’ve also just paid a lot less attention to baseball this season.
not really sure why i felt compared to share all this. just … it’s not john’s fault, or even the fault of SN. it’s just a thing. i enjoyed this site during the 2 or so years i would check it obsessively many times a day.
by jpahk on Apr 17, 2025 6:26 PM EDT 0 recs
+1
I’m in the same boat as Jpahk. As an A’s fan I’m just down on baseball right now. The fact that my team has no chance to do anything this year is depressing to me. I was at the two games in Chicago and man, that lineup just sucks. Buck and Barton have no business hitting 1/3 right now and on a good team would not even face a LHP.
by bl on
Apr 17, 2025 7:57 PM EDT
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yeah
same here. i go through large-scale phases, and i seem to be moving out of my minor league phase. nothing to do with the new site, i actually like it. it got me excited enough to start a new Overambitious Project, which i may finish over the course of the next like year or so.
by wily mo on
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Maybe it would be useful
If there would some sort of structure with a clear daily feature - one of the things that used to keep people coming back regularly was the top 100 prospect list. Knowing that a new ranking would come up every day meant people had to return at least once a day, and normally many times more. (Incidentally, I thought the fights over the rankings were absurd, with people complaining about the numbers and so forth - the interesting thing to me was never the particular ranking than the debate and comments) I’m not necessarily recommending the top 100 again, but maybe some version - prospect v prospect (Delmon Young and Alex Gordon, Lincecum and Billingsley, etc) or something else entirely. Or maybe the top 100 lists - I don’t know
by OldProspects on Apr 17, 2025 7:03 PM EDT 0 recs
Huh?
Posting comments is actually more user friendly that it was before in my opinion…
Most sites have been seeing a significant increase of comments after the change, so I think there would have to be something else in play.
www.mavsmoneyball.com
by Wes Cox on Apr 17, 2025 7:04 PM EDT 0 recs
Posting comments is improved in the sense that bolding, linking, quoting, etc is a lot easier now. But the thing I and the other guy were referring to…. this diary/fanpost concept is kind of dumb. We need a message board format…. at the least, fanposts that get replied to should be bumped back up to the top of the list.
by rdf8585 on
Apr 17, 2025 8:25 PM EDT
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That would be cool
But it wasn’t like that in the past so I still don’t see the relevance.
www.mavsmoneyball.com
by Wes Cox on
Apr 17, 2025 11:39 PM EDT
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precisely
most of the specific complaints refer to things that were part of the old format, too.
you can argue pro/con, but bottom line is the changes weren’t all that dramatic, in any case. i jsut think people are whiney—or maybe prospect mavens are a particularly old fart breed.
by scooter on
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I think...
People that are casual fans are seeing the sites for the first time and signing up. But the old timers who don’t like the new format/the new members are leaving. In a team blog, the new fans arriving overpower the old ones leaving, but on a blog such as this, the old ones leaving overpower the newcomers because, frankly, your casual fan cares nothing about the farm system and probably wonders why the #1 pick from the draft isn’t the starting offensive end next season.
The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
by WalrusMan on
Apr 21, 2025 4:29 PM EDT
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It's the recent fan posts
widget. I like scrolling through the title and not the entire posts when I click on all. When a post gets buried, it’s impossible to find!
It works for us at Bluebird Banter because we get a little traffic but not over here.
Allan's World Music
by achengy on Apr 17, 2025 7:37 PM EDT 0 recs
PujolsJunkie
I agree with you 100%.
I also appreciate that you discussed this issue in a sincere and respectful manner.
Now raise your goblet of rock. It's a toast to those who rock!
by Dewey Finn on Apr 17, 2025 7:44 PM EDT 0 recs
yeah
This isn’t meant to be insulting. I feel it’s constructive criticism, and I’m just voicing my opinion on it. It’s sad it’s come to this.
I will be waiting...24601.

