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You're the GM! Colorado Rockies Edition

You're the GM! of the Colorado Rockies.

The following questions were submitted by reader DavidRoxFan17 in the suggestions thread. I thought they summarized the decisions that the Rockies have to make pretty clearly.

-Do you keep Todd Helton and trade Ryan Shealy, or trade Helton and keep Shealy?
-How long do you keep Atkins and his 7 homers at 3B? Do you push Stewart for a mid-season promotion next year (like Francoeur?)
-What do you do with Jeff Baker, with it appearing that Holliday and Hawpe have the OF corners? Or do Holliday and Harpe have the OF corners?
-Do you keep Bigbie in CF for next year, or give the job to Jeff Salazar, who hasnt shown much since his promotion to AA last year, and is struggling at AAA?
-What is to be become of Jason Young? One moment, he will have a dominate streak, then the next, he will struggle (like he has his last 3, before that was doing well).
-Do you give Chin-Hui Tsao the closers job when he returns, or allow Fuentes to keep the job?

On the macro level, is there a particular strategy that you need to adopt to succeed in Coors Field long-term?

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Not a colorado expert but
Gotta keep helton, meaning Shealy's gotta be the one that goes.
-Can't be an all rookie team and hope to win, hopefully you can outslug them eventually.

Atkins, Rest of the year, every 5th day give someone else back to back starts at the position.

Bigbie isn't a long term solution, if you got money to spend, get some cheap power hitter that can strive at coors (cruz jr?, sosa might be available)

Jason Young, Pray, or try to get someone to overpay.

Fuentes keeps.

Move the fences back to Salt Lake city? (Why haven't they moved the fences yet?)

by Justise on Aug 16, 2025 2:23 PM EDT   0 recs

Is Helton moveable?
I think to move him they are eating half his salary and in that case in less you get a great prospect in return a deal is likely not fesible.

Otherwise I can not figure COL out.

by novaoakland on Aug 16, 2025 2:43 PM EDT   0 recs

Tough
1.) If I could trade Helton and get value in return, I would do so. But who is going to trade for an aging first baseman with a $18 million contract and a bad back?
2.) I keep Atkins at 3B until Baker or Macri is ready. Are there still questions about Stewart's defense? Plus, even discounting his early struggles due to injury, he hasn't exactly torn up a hitters league.
3.) I wouldn't say Holliday or Hawpe have the OF corners locked up
4.) I wouldn't put much stock in Young as a starter, I might see what he can do in long relief.
5.) Fuentes keeps his job based on the don't mess with success principal. If Tsao works out, you have two good relievers to use as necessary.

Long term strategy? My goal would be to turn the games in softball games. When acquiring players, I would look for players whose weaknesses can be ameliorated by Coors [say Preston Wilson or Mike Cameron], instead of players whose weaknesses aren't affected [say Juan Pierre].

From a player development standpoint, I would be more inclined to overlook strikeout problems and go for more athletic player. My goal would be to start 3 CF's.

From a pitching standpoint, I would try to limit the starters to 180 innings or so. I doubt any specific type of pitcher will be successful long-term at coors - the team would also need several relievers that can pitch long relief. I would experiment [especially at AAA CS] with having pitchers start half the year and relieve half the year to limit total innings.

 

by irwin on Aug 16, 2025 2:47 PM EDT   0 recs

Three CFs
From a player development standpoint, I would be more inclined to overlook strikeout problems and go for more athletic player. My goal would be to start 3 CF's.

I never could figure out why they signed Benny Agbayani several years ago and what they were going to do with him. Unless they wanted minor-league filler, that was one guy who never stood a chance of accomplishing anything in that huge pasture.

by Flynn Blake on Aug 16, 2025 4:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

3 CF's
Good idea on the outfield.  

While there's going to be a lot of balls flying over the wall, it's critical for the sake of the Rockies pitching staff to minimize extra base hits whenever possible.  Seattle minimized extra-base hits extremely well in 2001 which help lead them to winning 116 games, making replacement-level pitchers like Aaron Sele and Ryan Franklin look spectacular.  Circa 2004, when they scrapped the defense-first strategy, Franklin went 4-16 and the team lost 99 games.  

Minimizing extra bases will definitely improve their winning percentage.

by overmanb on Aug 17, 2025 4:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Baseball Cannot Succeed a Mile High
On the macro level, is there a particular strategy that you need to adopt to succeed in Coors Field long-term?

You just can't. It is a sad situation as the people love the team and the park is great, but realistically, your staff just cannot last and keep it going. It takes too much of a toll physically and  they literally have to change their pitching styles home and away.

You cannot move the fences back further as they are already pretty far back. It should be noted that US Cellular Field, Wrigley Field, and Bank One are all higher on the list of park factors in terms of homeruns only this year. The fences being too far back allow so many singles drop in that should be outs since the oufielders have to parol more ground.

In the end, I doubt there will be a succesful franchise there because it just messes with their pitchers way too much. Maybe if they put together the perfect Mile High staff, they have a shot and though they have made the playoffs before, that playoff team was amazing offensively.  

The Metros

by themetros on Aug 16, 2025 2:57 PM EDT   0 recs

Coors
The amazing thing to me is the continued emphasis place on what is wrong with Coors Field and how it should or could be fixed. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the conditions are the same for both teams? The fences don't move in or out for each teams at bats.

The major problem is the effect of altitude on the player thru 162 games. If the team is willing to spend a million dollars on a Desi Releford or a Dustan Mohr, then why couldn't they throw a couple bucks at some smart scientists in oder to come up with some legal ways to help the players through the season. The Olympic training center is right down the street from Denver and they have all kinds of info on the affects of high alititude training. That would be a nice place to start.

mark
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by roxhead on Aug 17, 2025 3:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The only thing that "worked"...
Was packing the lineup with mashers, and hope you can win alot of 10-5 games. Can you win a pennant that way? Who knows, but Coors chews up pitchers, so just go with it, see if you can't get over the hump.

I think you have to move Helton. They've got next to nothing around him that is ready, or even near ready, so sitting on Helton during this period is a waste of money (from a competitive standpoint, but I'm sure he puts butts in the seats, so it's not a complete waste from a business standpoint).

atkins' homer total isn't such a problem, as long as the team is banging them out enough. If he can push his OBA closer to 400, then he's ok.

Baker, Holliday, Hawpe, Bigbie, none of these guys seem to have franchise player potential, so in the long term, I'm not sure it matters.

Anyway, I'd move anyone you can right now, Helton, Jason Young, whoever. Get bats coming back. Be patient with Stewart, Young, and whoever. Try to get back to the old slugging days of Helton, Bichette, Castilla and Walker

by beastball on Aug 16, 2025 2:59 PM EDT   0 recs

here it goes
Helton will have to stay as his contract is an enormous Albatross.

Atkins stays and keeps the position warm for Stewart.  And Atkins learns to play LF as he is a much better hitter than Holliday.  Stewart starts next year in AA and comes up for good at the AS break.

Baker, Holliday, Hawpe, Piedra, etc. can all go in trades or maintain back-up roles.

Quintanilla plays 2B next year and Barmes holds down SS until Nelson is ready.  Closser catches with Ianetta coming in '07.

Young will never amount to anything in this environment.  Tsao will pitch in a set up role as Fuentes has found a way to close in the Rocky Mountains.

As for an organizational change in strategy, here's what I would do:

  1. move the fences IN and grow the grass HIGH.  Let the HR's fly out like they always do, but take away the singles and gappers as there is too much ground to cover and the IF plays like astro-turf.  330 down the lines, 375 gaps, and 400 in center.  A "Wrigley" cut on the IF grass.
  2. invest almost nothing in starting pitching.  When Kevin Ritz and Shawn Estes are about as good as it ever got in Coors, sign lots of guys in similar parts of their career.  Find FA's and non-tender guys to go 5 or 6 with 3-4 ER.
  3. build a massive, position player oriented farm system.  Get Helton's or Stewart's at every position to outslug and outscore teams in Coors and away from Coors.  Spend heavily in free agents as I would build a premium position player team.
  4. focus on the bullpen--find the guys like Steve Reed and Fuentes who can pitch in Coors.  And then load up on 'em.
  5. pray that the rest of the division remains as crappy as it is today.

by So Cal Bob on Aug 16, 2025 3:04 PM EDT   0 recs

totally agree
i always felt that moving the fences further out and increasing the size of the OF was akin to lengthening the fairways for tiger. you're playing to HIS advantage b/c he's the only guy who can play on holes that long. same here, you move the fences back and the number of singles and doubles increases, and it is still a pretty good launching pad for homers. i think jim leyland made this point way back in the day. i may be incorrect on attributing it to him tho.

by DavidWrightismyGod on Aug 16, 2025 5:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Rockies
You can't get rid of Helton without completely alienating the fans.  They know him and he's the only guy they can cheer for (when he's healthy).  So Shealy goes.

Push Stewart.  If Atkins can't hit in Coors, he just can't hit.  Try out Baker at 3B and see how he does - it can't be worse than Atkins.

You can't promote a guy that's struggling.  Bigbie stays in CF for lack of another option.

Tsao moves to setup a la Guillermo Mota.

Macro level - if pitching at a high altitude is tiring on your pitchers, employ a 6-man rotation.  This wi