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Ruben Rivera Prospect Retro

Prospect Retro: Ruben Rivera

Ruben Rivera was signed by the New York Yankees as a free agent out of the Panama in November of 1990. Extremely toolsy, he excited scouts with both his speed and his immense power potential. He hit .273/.417/.371 with 21 steals in the 1992 Gulf Coast League, showing lots of speed as well as the ability to draw walks. He followed that up with a .276/.385/.568 campaign in the New York-Penn League in 1993, with 13 homers and 12 steals. His only flaw at this point was a very high strikeout rate, more than once per game. But he hit for power, stole bases, and drew walks. Given his tools, I'd probably have rated him at Grade B+.

Moved up to Greensboro in the Sally League in '94, he hit .288/.372/.573 with 28 homers and 36 steals. He scuffled with the strike zone after being promoted to Tampa, hitting .261/.308/.448 in 34 games and continuing to fan more than once per game. Eddie Epstein gave him a Grade B+ in his '95 Minor League Scouting Notebook, pointing out his exceptional tools and power/speed potential, but worrying about the strikeouts and the slippage in his walk rate against better pitching.

Rivera hit .293/.402/.523 with 37 walks and 16 steals and nine homers in 71 games for Double-A Norwich in '95, then .270/.373/.598 with 15 homers and 26 walks in 48 games for Triple-A Columbus, at age 20. I gave him a straight Grade A in the '96 prospect book, and compared him to Bobby Bonds. I expected that Rivera would put up Bobby Bonds-like numbers as a major leaguer: so-so batting average with a lot of strikeouts, but tons of power, lots of speed, and a high walk rate keeping his OBP very good despite the strikeouts.

Everything began to fall apart in 1996. He sulked after getting sent to the minors in the spring, and hit just .235/.324/.395 in 101 games for Columbus. Scouts said he'd become lazy; he was insubordinate. He hit .284/.381/.442 in 46 games for the Yankees, much closer to what was expected. I gave him a Grade A-  in the '97 book, on the theory that he just needed to grow up some. But I noted that he was at a crossroads. . ."he is capable of winning MVP awards," I wrote, "but he could also get his head crammed so far up his butt that he never develops into the player he should be."

Rivera missed most of 1997 with shoulder injuries and was traded to San Diego. I lowered his grade to B+ in the '98 book, noting that all the tools were still there but that he had to prove he was healthy and that his head was on straight. He got to play in '98 for the Padres but struggled, hitting just .209/.325/.378. He was even worse in 1999, hitting a bizarre .195/.295/.406 for the Pads. . .he got 411 at-bats and hit 23 homers and stole 18 bases, giving him a fine Secondary Average of .372. But .195? 143 strikeouts in 147 games? Few managers are going to put up with that for long.

He followed that up with slightly better numbers for the Padres and Reds in subsequent seasons, then went through a rash of injuries and faded from the scene. He developed a reputation for boneheaded baserunning and fielding mistakes. And then there was the weird 2002 spring training incident where he stole Derek Jeter's glove and bat, getting himself kicked off the Yankees team that had re-signed him as a free agent.

Ruben Rivera DID have the natural ability to win an MVP award, and at times early in his career he showed baseball skills to go with his undoubted tools. But he never built on his early success, and was either unable or unwilling to make the adjustments necessary to succeed at the major league level.

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Panama
he was signed out of Panama. He is cousin to Mariano Rivera.

by LCT on Apr 27, 2007 5:47 PM EDT   0 recs

crap
I knew that. I was looking right at the thing that said "Panama" in his profile when I typed "Dominican Republic." I'm a dumbass.

by John Sickels on Apr 27, 2007 5:53 PM EDT   0 recs

really interesting retro
I hadn't remembered how long after his "peak" as a prospect he'd managed to maintain hope, nor did I remember how much P.T. he did get at the major league level. I never realized he actually had managed to turn his tools into that much major league power (even if it came with such poor surrounding numbers).

by bleedjaxblue on Apr 27, 2007 6:15 PM EDT   0 recs

BA
Once again, I am very wary of any prospect that fails to hit at least .300 at any level.  Guys like that almost always struggle to hit .250 and it all unravels from there.

by DrBGiantsfan on Apr 27, 2007 6:42 PM EDT   0 recs

Good points
That's why I'm higher on Maybin than Upton so far though Upton has stepped it up a notch the last two weeks.  

by Bravesin07 on Apr 27, 2007 7:02 PM EDT   0 recs

Rivera at Norwich
I saw Rivera play a couple of times at Norwich back in 1995, and even though he was way young for the level, he stood out - he did everything effortlessly and beautifully and was a joy to watch.

I would have put his chances of being a start as close to 100% as they could get, barring injury. Likely others saw the same thing, which is why he continued to get chances long after his numbers (and his effort) had lost touch with his talent.

He may one day realize the career he threw away - what a waste!

by Kranepool on Apr 27, 2007 7:03 PM EDT   0 recs

He also
committed one of the worst baserunning I have ever seen "Johnny Miller".  Hah I remember that game when he was with the Giants he was running all over the place and got out.

by Bravesin07 on Apr 27, 2007 8:06 PM EDT   0 recs

289 HR
in 1994, and he only got a B+ rating? Eddie Epstein is a tough scout.

by Boxkutter on Apr 27, 2007 9:40 PM EDT   0 recs

Too bad
Rivera's career highlight = when he stole Derek Jeter's gear.

by yoda1 on Apr 27, 2007 11:55 PM EDT   0 recs

it's funny
lately a friend and i (who are both fantasy baseball addicts) were marveling at a-rod's april stats and one of us joked, "if only he would steal bases, then he'd be a good player to have in roto." i pointed out that most of his hits have gone for extra bases, making it tough for him to get opportunities to steal. my friend said, "he could always pull a ruben rivera" (referring to the baserunning incident where it seemed like rivera was trying to steal second even though he was already at third). i immediately said, "what, you mean steal jeter's glove? i don't think those count in roto." we both burst out laughing.

good times.

by jpahk on Apr 28, 2007 12:18 AM EDT   0 recs

If only he stayed off the pipe
This guy is a classic example of a zero who wasted his obviously immense talent by using a lot of recreational activities. You can lump in Jeff Allison and Willy Aybar here too... The jury is still out on Josh Hamilton. Lets see him stay clean and useful for a whole season.
Its a shame, because at the time, the Yankees could have really used him if he had stayed produvstive and not sulked/whined when returned to AAA. Then stealing Jeters glove...come on. Thats like stalker stuff right there.

by Maxima231 on Apr 28, 2007 7:10 AM EDT   0 recs

what
"pipe" problems did Rivera have?  I've heard nothing, got any links?

I can see how the Jeter glove taking could be the result of a man whose burned through his already nice paycheck and needs a fix.

And I'd hardly call Willy Aybar an "immense talent" but i see the point youre making

by nms on May 1, 2007 3:10 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

stealing Jeters glove
I think he stole them to get money off of them because he probably broke because of his drug problems.  Is he even playing baseball anymore.

by Bravesin07 on Apr 28, 2007 11:48 AM EDT   0 recs

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